@GreySage TIL Square-Enix is a wholly Disney subsidiary.

@Yuuki Square-Enix + Star Wars RPG confirmed?

Also, it's actually not Disney marketing strategy. Disney marketing so far has completely refused to put Elsa or Moana in a grouped category like "Disney Princesses" because they're so popular.

Elsa is a queen, not a princess

Also quite possibly a goddess, it's not really clear

Neither is Mulan but she's still a "Disney Princess".

The group branding exists because its members never really moved merchandise on their own.

Is Mulan not a princess? I thought she married the prince dude

Dude's not a prince.

No?

He's the son of a famous general.

So one palace coup away from a prince

#closeenough

@SPavel he would never lead a coup. Protecting the emperor is like his thing

That's further than "is a queen" so by that logic, Elsa is a princess too.

@DavidCoffron If Crusader Kings 2 has taught me anything, it's that you don't need to lead a coup to benefit from it

She's one "hereditary succession change away from a princess". So close enough.

I was playing the King of Poland, handing out princesses like candy, suddenly some blokes storm Paris and install me as Emperor of Francia

@Yuuki I'm one hereditary succession away from owning a multinational corporation. Does that make me rich?

Because they were all descended from me via one of the princesses

@SPavel I feel like if you took only one thing away from Crusader Kings 2, that wouldn't be the only thing.

@Yuuki No that's the main bit

Also works well in reverse, where you press a claimant's claim, become their liege, then have them murdered and take their land

Or press a woman's strong claim, and then press your own weak claim once she is on the throne

@SPavel Now there's a Disney movie I'd like to see

We need more representation for LE heroines

@MikeQ I'm a big fan of LE/CG demi-personalities

@MikeQ Hunchback of Notre-Dame, but the gypsy made of fire that Frollo sees in his vision becomes real and the rest of the movie is about her and her minions taking over Paris

@SPavel She wasn't a princess though

@MikeQ She will be empress of a new world order

all shall love her and despair

(Galadriel for Disney Princess)

Gandalf was actually a princess...

Lol

NOBODY SAY ANYTHING

He was a god or something, yeah? He could make himself a princess if he wanted to

I'm sure Disney is the process acquiring all the film rights to everything ever.

I dunno why you folks keep starring my dumb comments

I'm just playing Mad Libs with tabletop memes

@MikeQ Gandalf was a heavily nerfed angel essentially

Shape-shifting was not within his power

I'm fairly certain Gandalf was capable of origami.

Or pottery.

@Yuuki No you're thinking of Harry Potter. He was definitely capable of pottery.

My favorite explanation of Gandalf is still as an overpowered GMPC from that Shamus Young comic, where he keeps upstaging the player characters and babbling exposition

@MikeQ I think we all get stared at least every once in a while for things we would never expect to be stared for

@Yuuki Gandalf can't even roll a joint, that's why he smokes his weed out of a pipe like a tool.

@Yuuki Which matches how Elsa is incorporated but distinct from the Princesses. So, yes it is.

If all the Disney Princesses fought, how big would the coalition to defeat Elsa have to get before they stand a chance?

@SPavel Cinderella packs a pretty mean shank.

What's the Scottish princess called? She'd not be bad in a straight-up fight either, would she? And if General Mulan comes up with their strategy…

@Anaphory Merida, from Brave?

@MikeQ I keep confusing that name with Meridia, that Daedric Prince from Elder Scrolls that really doesn't like the undead.

@Yuuki A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON

@MikeQ Yes, that one.

My Disney knowledge may be failing me, but I can't recall any of the princesses having access to magic (Repunzel not counted because she lost hers).

Which makes an Elsa vs Princesses fight nothing more than a 20th level wizard vs some fighters.

@GreySage More like a sorcerer

@MikeQ Nuance

Princess Jasmine has a flying carpet, and is wed to a guy who has access to a very powerful ally: the genii. I think Jasmine wins that fight. She has a posse. Even though Aladdin set the genii free, friends have a friend's back.

Princess Leia has a fleet of spaceships that shoot lasers

@GreySage To be fair, she's typically depicted with her long hair (and therefore magic).

Which I personally find problematic, but I guess it's easy visual shorthand (Rapunzel === 'super long hair').

Yeah, back to the earlier discussion on Nintendo at E3, last year was a bit of an outlier because they had to market a new console. Apparently, they normally like to only talk about things with release dates at E3.

@SPavel I've had players model suppressive fire in Fate to great effect. And naturally, the Stargate SG-1 RPG has specific rules for it.

@MikeQ She's not a Disney cartoon princess; she was a meatspace princess. (But yeah, spaceships sorta make that battle uneven)__

(I assume they're ported in from d20 Modern, but I wouldn't know.)

@KorvinStarmast Eh, they're spaceships piloted by the most inept soldiers in all of fantasy, I'll take my chances with Elsa.

Do any of you recall an adventure or module from D&D 4e where you end up fighting Drzzt DoUrden?

@BESW Suppressive fire is also a specific action in Shadowrun.

I have an idea to put together a D&D 5e farce adventure, stealing the name from an 80's cult B-movie (Surf Nazis Must Die), called something like Drizzt Must Die or the Death of Drzzt (a riff on "the death of Caesar) but if there was a published advanture, I'd not mind borrowing heavily from that.

@Anaphory Sounds like an omelet to me, with eggs, bell peppers, onions, radishes, and carrots.

@SPavel You can use lentils instead of ground beef in most recipes, including that one. And yes, with onions, carrots, etc.

@Anaphory Dice the potato and make a vegetable hash.

@GreySage A potato/lentil "meat"loaf with eggs, onions, carrots, etc, could be very nice.

Actually, mixing eggs and lentils with finely cut veggies can get you something like hamburger patties--especially if you add oatmeal or something similar.

Are eggs considered vegetarian now?

Eggs are vegetarian, but not vegan.

@BESW A friend of mine makes patties out of a bit of oatmeal and red cabbage. Sounded really weird when I heard about it, but I'm a fan since I've tasted them.

@ACuriousMind I like making Old Soup Burgers.

Take whatever you had for soup the previous day, mash or blend the big bits, drain off most of the broth, and add eggs and dry oatmeal until you can form it into patties.

Not a fan of soup, unfortunately

Neither am I, mostly.

But Bob's Red Mill Vegi Soup Mix is a pretty great base for burgers and pot pies and such.

@BESW I thought including eggs was a special qualifier, as in there's a specific name for it rather than just "vegetarian"?

That'd be for folks who do include eggs but don't include other common vegetarian elements like milk.

But the terms aren't exactly universal standards.

Some folks say that you can only be vegan if you're choosing that diet for moral reasons, for example.

@Ash Yeah, that sounds right.

Yup.

Some people call themselves vegetarian and mean vegan-but-without-the-preaching.

But generally if a restaurant says "vegetarian" they mean "no meat" but milk and eggs are fair game.

And I assume restaurant vegetarian food still includes animal products like gelatin?

Often, yes.

@Yuuki If a restaurant marks something as “vegetarian”, I do expect no gelatine and no rennet (which is sometimes why cheese things are not marked as such).

Most surprising thing about gelatin I've learned is that wine is often not vegan because it's filtered through gelatin.

@KorvinStarmast no but I would love to murder that stupid drow trope

I read some books with him in them and boy was he annoying

I do think it's silly to have a whole race of elves that are default evil,... But Drzzxzxxxxzgxf wtv isn't a very creative way to subvert it

In my opinion anyway

@trogdor dr dre durden

Lol

Sorry, I take books I don't like very personally

Also on the "eggs being vegetarian" thing -- people can be vegetarian for a lot of different reasons, so different peoples' vegetarian cross-section will vary. Some do not want to eat animal products (but are not vegan) so will not eat eggs. Some are averse for immutable personal reasons (don't like the flavour/texture/idea). Some have religious or ethical reasons. So there's no one particular "vegetarian", but lots of different reasons and expressions of it.

E.G. a friend of mine was recently surprised our barista was vegetarian, he thought she wouldn't handle milk (and wouldn't work in a coffee shop which was using industrial quantities of the stuff) because of not wanting to endorse exploitaton of cattle. She's just vegetarian because she doesn't like the taste of meat or fish & that's it.

Mmm yeah

I don't drink milk cause I don't like the way it tastes

I like soy milk a lot better it turns out

@doppelgreener I spent 7+ years as a vegetarian out of respect admiration for the amazing lamb shank I had in a Persian restaurant. January, 2001, that was, and it was summer 2008 before i had my next piece of meat.

I still eat cheese and ice cream and stuff though

@nitsua60 mmmmmm lamb

Exactly =)

@nitsua60 have you ever had raw lamb prepared for you?

It's actually really nice,...if the texture of raw meat doesn't make you gag

@trogdor Umm... I think all lamb I've eaten was raw when it was prepared? Unless you're asking if I've eaten it still raw... in which case no.

Still raw

Mind you,... It needs to be made right