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nitsua60

12:04 AM

WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!

BESW

12:43 AM

Tweeted by archillect on February 10, 2018 at 1:00 PM

doppelpurpler

@trogdor wah! lu weegee!

trogdor

XD

Tim Grant

1:10 AM

I just posted a question and there's no upvote, downvote, comments yet. I'm hearing the Jeopardy theme in my head.

doppelpurpler

@TimGrant haha :D

that is the worst kind of wait

nitsua60

@TimGrant Now you've got an answer, but I don't agree with it.

Oh. Deleted. Hmm.

(Maybe they're listening?)

BESW

They commented immediately afterward for clarification.

nitsua60

1:28 AM

sooth

Tim Grant

1:43 AM

@nitsua60, can you close that question of mine for now? I thought it was clear (so did the 3 people I read it aloud too) but the folks on the board clearly do not.

BESW

I think your example is the confusing part.

nitsua60

@TimGrant done

Tim Grant

@nitsua Thanks. I will try to edit it, but not tonight.

nitsua60

No worries =)

trogdor

It is quite frustrating to not turn out to be as coherent as you thought you were being, happens to me all the time

David Coffron

1:49 AM

I like any of the questions I saw as interpretations. I'm just not sure which one was right.

@nitsua60 Yeah, my first answer was rough; I realized after posting that I needed to look at it closer

nitsua60

@DavidCoffron It was the mention of Law of Large Numbers that raised my eyebrow: while it'd be true if we graded PCs on career stats, in my opinion it's important to avoid that sort of thinking: every few hits the evaluation mode changes for me.

That's not well put.

David Coffron

Your career stats don't mean anything if you die because you rolled low. That seemed to be part of what Tim was referring to when he mentioned the video game bit. That's why I deleted.

nitsua60

What I mean is I'd go for the firebolt if I were taking potshots at a 400-hp titan, because the higher average damage will actually matter. Against CR1/2 opponents the binary of dead-or-not comes up so often as to moot the 0.2 DPR average difference, in my opinion.

@DavidCoffron Yeah, I think I'm with you there. There's something pretty interesting in there. Or multiple somethings.

BESW

2:05 AM

In 4e optimization there's a general consensus that there are three values to focus on, and that choosing to focus on one of them at the expense of the others tends to be a bad idea.

They're basically burst-damage-per-encounter, burst-damage-per-day, and sustainable-damage.

If you focus on burst damage, you dry up quickly in long fights.

But if you can't go "nova" on command when the situation calls for it, you can't control when enemies drop.

Uncontrollable nova damage, however, is the least desirable way to improve overall damage output.

nitsua60

@BESW In 5e I know people like paladins and casters and even sneak attack for this, but for my money I'm a big fan of the battlemaster's precise shot for that. Converting a miss to a hit is a big deal damage-wise, no matter what level one's at. (IMO)

BESW

So, eg, you only build for bursts on critical hits if you can leverage some kind of control over when you will get your criticals--like daily powers which expand your crit range or let you roll more often.

nitsua60

@BESW that makes sense.

I've got a mind to play a "crit-fisher" some day.

BESW

@nitsua60 Oh, absolutely. In 4e the elf is considered one of the best striker choices, hands down, in large part because once per encounter they get to re-roll an attack at their discretion.

So you can make sure that it lands when you need it to.

@nitsua60 There's a 4e class that's basically built for crit fishing. It's a divine melee striker called the Avenger.

As a minor action you can designate a target. "When you make a melee attack against the target and the target is the only enemy adjacent to you, you make two attack rolls and use either result. This effect lasts until the end of the encounter or until the target drops to 0 hit points, at which point you regain the use of this power."

nitsua60

(I was thinking of the wrong trait.)

BESW

2:13 AM

Pretty much the only single-target class where it makes sense to invest build resources for expanded critical effects.

All the other crit-fishers need to be investing in multi-target attacks instead.

trogdor

Crtical fishing, mmm mmm mmm

David Coffron

So the Avenger literally has 5e advantage always? That is pretty strong

Always if only one enemy adjacent*

nitsua60

@DavidCoffron welcome to chat, btw. I feel like we haven't seen you 'round here much, though you've been very active recently mainsite.

BESW

And against that one targeted enemy, yes.

Most classes get some kind of "you hit more reliably under a certain circumstance" feature.

David Coffron

@nitsua60 I usually just answer questions and ask tough ones. I'm primarily 5e right now (though I've answered a few other systems). I've been in this chat once before, related to helping someone word their question better.

BESW

2:19 AM

Fighters are supposed to be sticky, so they get to add their Wis mod to opportunity attacks because if an OA hits, the target stops moving.

nitsua60

@DavidCoffron Are you playing/running much now, or in limbo?

David Coffron

@nitsua60 I'm a player in a campaign on roll20 (although we had a two-week break because of family-things with GM followed by Easter weekend). I'm thinking about starting up a PVP-arena style agme on roll20 and fishing around for in-person games (I'm in the middle of nowehere)

nitsua60

@DavidCoffron Hmm... sounds like you're a player in my R20 game =)

David Coffron

Wow... What are the chances.

nitsua60

We also had a GM (me) family thing last week then Easter this week put us into an enforced break.

@DavidCoffron Low, unless you're a sockpuppet for one of Korvin, Shalvenay, NautArch, or Trogdor =)

(Not that I'd put it past @trogdor... always scheming, that dragon is!)

David Coffron

2:26 AM

No, I meant the chances that two R20 GM's both take break weeks before Easter

I guess that's fairly high

nitsua60

How "middle-of-nowhere"? Like, what's the drive to a town/city with a game store?

David Coffron

The nearest game store is unfortunately MtG only (not that I'm too upset because MtG is great). It's about 45 minutes to the next one that has D&D.

Shalvenay

hey there @DavidCoffron and @nitsua60

David Coffron

Greetings Shalvena

Shalvenay

how're things going?

nitsua60

2:31 AM

@DavidCoffron Interesting. I spent many years thinking I was in the middle of nowhere and finally bit the bullet to start making the 45-min drive to an AL site. And got one or two people from town to come down and try it, and started talking to more people around here about it... now we've got a dozen-person group in town that plays with regularity.

I.e. things may not be as bleak as you think =)

@Shalvenay hiya

David Coffron

@Shalvenay I'm doing good. I'm failing at excel, because I'm bad at SUMPRODUCT functions, but I think I figured it out.

@nitsua60 Good to know. Maybe I'll look into it. There was a game shop that recently opened that is thinking about opening their doors to TBTRPG's. I might chat with the manager at some point.

BESW

Yeah, probably at least half of the people who I've ever played an RPG with, I introduced them to RPGs.

nitsua60

TIL: the quintessential thesis topic:

> A study of the design of a computer aid to structure and the effect of a computer aided selection of the production of the design of a computer aided selection of the production in a stratified control of a stratified flow of the production of the production of the production of
the structure of the production of the production of the production of the production of the control of a metallocycle control of a stratified flow of the production of the production of the production of the production of the production of the structure of the presence of a metalloporphous polymer control of a co…

David Coffron

"of the production of the production of the production of the production of the production"

Turing test win

nitsua60

(Note to excessively-logical readers: please don't try to parse that title before reading at the previous link.)

BESW

2:41 AM

@nitsua60 "Chicken Chicken Chicken: Chicken Chicken," by Doug Zongker of the University of Washington.

nitsua60

I've got a student who's training a neural network to write HP fanfiction right now. I'm wondering if we should monetize...

trogdor

@BESW this is glorious

nitsua60

Oh god I'm crying from the lolfigsl: Mix all ingredients except cheese and process 1 hour.

> 2 cups of chicken stock or mayonnaise

^^

I'm going to fall out of my chair.

trogdor

@nitsua60 I also take small issue with naming the recipe "small" sandwich

nitsua60

@trogdor I couldn't read through the tears when I got to the end of all those ingredients and hit "serves 4."

trogdor

2:56 AM

Lol

4 very desperate people who dearly wish to poison themselves apparently

nitsua60

Though it's not like you have to wait for the laughs: "1/2 cup shortening" is a bold start to a sandwich recipe.

trogdor

Lol

add green meat

Ok boss, will do

David Coffron

Lake Choice? what does that even mean

trogdor

You want that with extra hospital?

@DavidCoffron it means,.... Feed this to a lake,....

XD

nitsua60

I like that you need "1/2 cup along with... 1/4 teaspoon vegetable oil."

trogdor

3:02 AM

Maybe at Least the fish will eat it

nitsua60

That's much nicer than specifying the 24-1/4 teaspoons that are apparently needed.

trogdor

Wine, mashed

XD

This is too much X)

nitsua60

I'm off--be sure to let me know how it tastes. "They should seal."

trogdor

Humanity is doomed if we start making robot chefs

BESW

@trogdor Character idea for Uranium Chef.

goodguy5

3:13 AM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I lost my fanatic / enthusiast count because of timezone shenanigans. was around 20

trogdor

@BESW of course this exists

Why am I even surprised?

KorvinStarmast

3:50 AM

@nitsua60 looking forward to it

kviiri

7:18 AM

What to do when an answer is basically "check this other answer"?

With a tiniest bit of added content

-1

A: When do Druids unlock the different spell levels?

Acorrding to Garret Gang's answer,"https://rpg.stackexchange.com/a/119633/43522" these are the class(druid, wizard ect.) level requirements for each level of spells Level 0 spell- Level 1 class Level 1 spell- Level 1 class level 2 spell- level 3 class level 3 spell- level 5 class level 4 spell-...

BESW

@kviiri Oh, I've got a formula for that... [rummages]

If I understood the system enough to be more coherent about it, I'd use these formulas as the basis for a comment:

> [Links to external resources are encouraged](http://rpg.stackexchange.com/help/how-to-answer), but please add context around the link so your fellow users will have some idea what it is and why it’s there. Always quote the most relevant part of an important link, in case the target site is unreachable or goes permanently offline.

> [Brevity is acceptable, but full explanations are better](http://rpg.stackexchange.com/help/how-to-answer).

> The Stack wants answers which connect all the dots, without leaving anything as an exercise for the reader.

kviiri

7:38 AM

That's not as much an external resource though, it just basically recaps another user's answer.

BESW

7:49 AM

Link rot still applies.

The other answer can still get changed or deleted: each answer needs to be an independently useful solution.

kviiri

Good point

@doppelpurpler I'm used to dealing with probability and its counterintuitiveness but that was a bit of a shocker to me. I'm used to using the exact same thing of "you roll another die but don't care about the result" as a clear, intuitive example of independence. But apparently even that's not intuitive.

But probability is indeed weird so it's not something to feel discouraged about, ever

I guess people are used to Monty Hall and "boy or girl paradox" style of counter-intuitive reasoning relating to probability that they become too cautious.

doppelpurpler

10:19 AM

@kviiri it was very surprising to me too!

but it makes sense in light of something like the gambler's paradox

it would be a mode of thinkign that random results appear to have a luck charge (like the charge of a magnet) that transcends spacetime and encourages other random results to come out differently

therefore if that d6 i rolled in a box comes out with a 6 it's almost certainly going to make the other dice roll lower

SPavel

12:32 PM

SNOW IN APRIL

this is disgusting

Where can I lodge a formal complaint

NautArch

@SPavel I agree. Unacceptable.

Can we close it as off topic?

SPavel

@NautArch Ah, the ol' super downvote

NautArch

@SPavel that's what i'm talkin' about

Should this question have the homebrew tag instead of special-materials?

BESW

Why would it be homebrew?

Is electrum not mentioned anywhere in the game text?

NautArch

because there are no electrum weapons

or options for plating weapons in electrum

BESW

12:39 PM

Then that would be the answer, wouldn't it?

They aren't asking people to invent rules, they're asking what the rules are.

NautArch

ah, fair enough.

but he is asking about a homebrew weapon (an electrum shortsword)

and it may have other properties we don't know because of that.

BESW

He's asking about electrum in the existing game text.

Experts on the text's entries on special materials will be able to answer the question being asked.

Experts on homebrew... will not, because he's not asking about how to make homebrew or how to balance it or how it interacts with the existing text--he's not making homebrew, though his GM might be, and he doesn't know any details to add which would make homebrew knowledge useful in answering the question.

The question is about electrum in the text. It's being asked because of homebrew, but it's not a question about homebrew.

NautArch

@BESW And that was my point of confusion. Maybe I should have suggested the House-rules tag. That seems more applicable?

BESW

Not really. They aren't asking about house rules.

They're asking if non-house rules are in effect for their situation.

NautArch

How would we know whether or not a homebrew item has houserule effects?

BESW

12:51 PM

We don't. And they aren't asking.

NautArch

Per the description of the homebrew tag, i see that's not relevant. But house-rules states "House rules are small fan created additions and replacements to core rules in a rules set" The creation of an electrum weapon by a table and the questioner being unclear how it would work seems like that's an additoin/replacement.

BESW

Not every question which contains an element of a thing we could tag is, in fact, a question about that thing.

NautArch

Right, they're asking "I've got this homebrewed item" and "would it work like X based on RAW rules?"

But how do we know if it works by RAW rules when we don't know the rules for that item?

BESW

They're asking "Is there any Rules as Written or Rules as Interpreted evidence [that] electrum share[s] any of the properties of silver that do damage to the werewolves, werebears, and so on?"

That is not a homebrew issue. It's a game text issue.

goodguy5

morning nerds

SPavel

12:54 PM

goodguy5

And the other question for electrum man, is:
Is the weapon MADE OF electrum?
or is the weapon "electrumed", like a silvered weapon?

Rubiksmoose

@goodguy5 I believe the proper term is electrified :P

NautArch

@BESW OKay, so we just answer the question as-is without diving into the concern that this homebrew weapon may work differently.

goodguy5

@Rubiksmoose I'd be willing to compromise on electrumfied

BESW

@NautArch You can certainly include that in your answer--after you've answered the question being asked. And a legitimate subject for a frame challenge doesn't make the question any more taggable as being about that subject.

NautArch

12:58 PM

@BESW I'm just unclear as to when to add the house-rule tag. But I guess just because a question is about a houserule/homebrewed item does not mean it requires the tag.

BESW

What you've asked the chat here is whether the question should be tagged homebrew. That's very different from whether it's appropriate for answers to include that context in their response.

NautArch

and that kind of confuses me.

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch That is the way I see it as well. But I would not suspect that an electrum or electrum plated weapon behaves any differently than any other weapon made out of special metals. Definitely homebrew, but really not necessary to address the core question

BESW

A question about forced movement doesn't get tagged elephant.

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch the tag is added to questions that are specifically asking about homebrew

NautArch

12:58 PM

@BESW ALthough after reading tag descriptions, I think it falls under houserule, not homebrew (they're not asking how to create an item.)

@Rubiksmoose Right, but houserule has a different criteria.

@BESW If the question was about being forced to move BY an elephant, would you tag it Elephant?

BESW

Same smell. It's not asking for help with the houserule. It's asking for existing text about electrum, not whether a particular GM's version of electrum defies the text.

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch Agreed. If either of those tags are relevant the houserule one would be better.

BESW

@NautArch Not unless it was a question about elephant-specific forced movement.

NautArch

I just thought it would be clearer for respondents to understand that the subject of the question (an electrum weapon) is not an actual weapon in the current rules.

BESW

If it's just about forced movement but the querent is asking because they had an encounter with an elephant, the question is not about elephants.

doppelpurpler

1:06 PM

@NautArch That's not the job of tags, and the job of respondents is to know what they're talking about. Respondents who should be answering that question won't need that clarified to them, they'll know. The ones who shouldn't and have no idea... probably are not going to give very good answers.

NautArch

@doppelpurpler heh, okay. It just seems like it would be helpful for respondents, but now I"m getting that the tags are for querent.

But I still think it's weird that you can ask about a houserule and how it interacts with existing rules without needing that tag.

doppelpurpler

Tags are for nothing but categorising the question by the question's content so that it can be found, and to put them in front of people who are experts willing to answer those sorts of questions (tag favorites / subscriptions).

BESW

We should not rely on a tag to explain something that the question should make clear.

doppelpurpler

Yes, also that: if it is not mentioned in the question, tags are not there to say it instead of the question. Tags exclusively describe what is already being described in the question itself. System tags break this rule, but that's an exception that shouldn't set an example for anything else.

BESW

There's no houserule being explained or asked about. There's a sword made of a metal that exists in the setting and a question about whether the rules say anything about how that metal interacts with a particular existing mechanic.

It'd be functionally the exact same question if the sword were made of copper; the fact that electrum weapons aren't mentioned in the books is the answer, and we don't use tags to describe answers. We use them to sort questions.

doppelpurpler

1:13 PM

It's a little unusual and I can see you picking up on "there is homebrew in this question so we should tag it homebrew" but it's not really about the homebrew at all

NautArch

@doppelpurpler please stop using Homebrew as the tag suggestion (it clearly isn't relevant), but Houserule MAY be.

doppelpurpler

ok, sorry. that one too.

NautArch

But let's step back a second. YOu're saying even though the question's subject, an electrum weapon, is a houseruled weapon it shouldn't be on the tag because the question isn't about the weapon itself but how it would interact with actual rules. Correct?

doppelpurpler

(i'm open to the possibility i'm temporarily going unhinged here and it's really suitable for adding house-rules, but right now adding the [special-materials] tag is enough)

NautArch

@doppelpurpler I don't think you are. @BESW is clearly in that same corner. Doesn't mean both of you aren't wrong, but it suggests I am :)

BESW

1:17 PM

It's very clearly and specifically asking about existing rules for electrum being used as a weapon against lycanthropes.

doppelpurpler

We could both be wrong. :P

BESW

It's not asking if their GM has invented a new rule. It's asking what the commonly shared rules are.

doppelpurpler

Here's an example:

6

Q: Can create food & drink make soda pop?

Would create the create food and drink spell create soda pop if the caster actually drank such a item once or do you need to make it via alchemy?

BESW

That's just... a question about the existing text.

doppelpurpler

No, it can't make soda pop. This question is frankly bizarre in even contemplating the overlap of medieval fantasy with soda pop. But it's asking how the rules handle this spell meeting soda pop.

NautArch

1:18 PM

@BESW And I'm saying that there are no rules on how electrum weapons work because they aren't in the rulebooks. I can answer with how RAW applies, but how RAW applies may not be applicable because it's a houserule.

doppelpurpler

Someone's got a weapon, they say it's electrum, they're asking how that works in the game rules.

BESW

@NautArch That's the answer, then!

But it's not the question.

The question is "are there non-house-rule rules for this?" That's not a question about house rules.

NautArch

@BESW And I think it's inherently part of the question. I've made up X, I'm now asking you to explain how X interacts with known Y, but you don't know everything about X because I just made it up.

BESW

They haven't made up electrum.

goodguy5

ugh, greener, you're freaking me out with this purple nonsense

NautArch

1:20 PM

They made up an electrum weapon.

BESW

They haven't made up lycanthropic resistances.

NautArch

They took two known game elements and combined them into a unknown game element.

doppelpurpler

@goodguy5 yesss. sowing the seeds of april 1 chaos.

BESW

They aren't even asking us to explain how electrum interacts with those resistances.

They're asking us if it has been explained.

Southpaw Hare

Huh. All the comments got deleted on this one question, though it doesn't say that they got moved to chat or anything

BESW

1:21 PM

It's a question about existing rules. The answer can be "no, those rules do not exist."

Southpaw Hare

Why would that happen?

BESW

@SouthpawHare Most commonly the comments are no longer useful (like the post got edited with the suggestions they were prompting), or were particularly rude, or weren't helping anything and just getting too chatty..

goodguy5

there is one issue with electrum vs lycanthropy.

It gets into a one-drop problem.

"I put one drop of silver into my crucible when smelting the steel for this weapon.... it now can defeat lycanthropes."

SPavel

@goodguy5 Homeopathic silvered weapons!

Southpaw Hare

@BESW Hmm, okay. I didn't think that my comment was unhelpful or rude, and I hope no one took it that way.

SPavel

1:23 PM

That Mitchell and Webb Look: Homeopathic A&E

►

BESW

@SouthpawHare Then it's likely the querent flagged them as no longer useful, meaning they took the suggestions on board and have acted or not acted on them as they see fit.

Remember, comments aren't intended to stick around. They exist to help improve questions and answers, and can be expected to go away some time after they've achieved that purpose, or failed to.

Southpaw Hare

Makes sense

doppelpurpler

I wiped out a handful of comments on a particular question because they were all actioned except for one, which was opining -- but comments aren't for "here's my discussion response to your situation".

BESW

Most comments go away because someone flagged them for a mod's attention, to help keep the site focused on solutions to problems rather than lengthy discussions (there are many other places on the Internet which do that well already).

doppelpurpler

Mostly if I'm busy doing cleaning up on something & there's comments present which aren't currently pending action or somehow adding value or highly upvoted, they're going to get removed.

BESW

1:29 PM

If it was the comment on the electrum sword question saying "ask your GM because that's homebrew," I flagged that one as something that should be an answer so it can get voted on and found in searches and edited to get even better.

Putting answers--even partial answers--in comments bypasses the site's whole sorting system which makes us a useful resource in the first place: we aren't just answering for the person who asked, but for everyone else who's going to come later with a similar problem.

doppelpurpler

Also, on that Electrum thing: I can see a case for tagging homebrew on the basis it can read as "here is this thing that everyone knows can only be homebrew, how are the rules working with it?". (Permit me saying homebrew there instead of house rules: for me, custom content is the former; the latter is custom mechanics.)

But the asker doesn't know it's homebrew, and special-materials is already a bunch of "here's this really unusual thing that can only exist because of homebrew. How's it work?" questions anyway.

On that basis my gut says tagging it homebrew (or house rules) wouldn't be fitting.

NautArch

So ultimately, the houserule/homebrew tags are about creating those items. Questions about existing types of items/rules do not qualify for the tag when they're asking about how they interact with the standard ruleset.

doppelpurpler

well, almost everything that's homebrew or house rules has to interact with the standard ruleset, so we can't go by that definition

NautArch

But I"m saying it gets the tag when it's about how to create something, not about how does it work.

doppelpurpler

No, it's not exclusively for creating things.

NautArch

1:37 PM

@doppelpurpler I'm sorry I'm not understanding this. So when IS it used for? The description for homebrew seems to say that "For questions about homebrewing new rules content for an existing system"

doppelpurpler

This is a super borderline question. It's 55/45 for me. A major part of the 55 against for me is the asker has no idea it's pure homebrew, but a major part of the 45 for is it does materially contain homebrew and your intuition as a new user is struggling with the premise it might not -- which makes me think I'm overcomplicating things.

NautArch

Does this deserve a meta question? Or am I being too pedantic/not understanding the tag system?

This question also confuses me based onthe same reasons. Shouldn't this have been closed as off topic for this board and directed them to a metallurgy stack?

doppelpurpler

@NautArch ... yes

I'm closing this question as off-topic because it's about metallurgy and swordworking, which is a real-world research question not drawing upon RPG expertise. We can answer a limited amount about this within game terms, but the majority of this question is not about game terms at all. — doppelpurpler ♦ 8 secs ago

We're giving slightly gamey answers for some parts of the question, but it's pretty much just about real gold sword forging.

goodguy5

I think the electrum question can be better thought of as:
"Will silver alloys retain their effectiveness against lycanthropes?"

kviiri

I think we should try to steer clear of actual physics questions, but "gold is too soft to make a good pointy thing of" is rather controversial and the gold rapier question is not solely about real-world mechanics.

But game mechanics too

NautArch

1:48 PM

@goodguy5 With the recent question edits, I'm no longer certain what the question is :)

kviiri

As for electrum, it's more interesting because it's about a purely fantasy thing

goodguy5

@kviiri is that true?

doppelpurpler

@NautArch well we're bikeshedding over a specific tag, so we're definitely being a bit pedantic. i think you're understanding the tag system, and BESW and I are understanding the tag system, but our understandings don't line up over this.

NautArch

@doppelpurpler So...meta this bad boy?

kviiri

@goodguy5 Assuming the non-existence of lycanthropes, yup

goodguy5

1:50 PM

@kviiri oh, I thought you mean "electrum is a purely fantasy thing" lol

doppelpurpler

@NautArch Sure. It might only be a small meta but all good questions are worth asking.

kviiri

However, I personally don't care much for the "let's discuss weird edge cases of DnD rules" questions. Except for here on chat, occasionally

@goodguy5 It does have a cool name!

But nay, I've played enough DF to know it's an actual alloy :)

Yuuki

@goodguy5 One thing I've started considering with this kind of "fantasy physics" question is the setting. What makes a lycanthrope? If it's a mutation of the rabies virus, then maybe silver alloys might work because there's something chemical in the silver that gets transferred into the alloy.

But if werewolves exist because they were cursed by a moon deity, then silver only works because it's a representation of the moon that controls them and that symbolism doesn't necessarily transfer over to an alloy.

goodguy5

@Yuuki So, then could moon stones also be used?

or is it actually about intent?

Yuuki

@goodguy5 No, that just turns your werewolf into a werefairy.

goodguy5

1:58 PM

(I get that joke)

Like, if you supply a crafter with counterfeit silver and they make this dagger (without knowing the silver is fake) ..... will it work?

Yuuki

Depends on the setting. If the anti-werewolf effect is psychosomatic on the part of the werewolf, then it might work if the werewolf believes it's real silver.

But if the effect is a magical curse, then I don't think counterfeit silver would work.

goodguy5

Well, I meant more along the lines of "silver only works because it's a representation of the moon".

If it's a magical quality then, when is that "magic" transferred? and how?

NautArch

You'd Think Strahd would have bought out all the silver mines and just shipped counterfeit silver around to everyone.

kviiri

We were playing Clue with my big brother and our respective SO's. The last time I played it we were children. It had gotten on a whole new meta layer during these years.

I won the game because everyone rushed to guess the murderer and they all got it wrong because everyone was misleading everyone else.

Yuuki

@goodguy5 Moon deity uses silver weapons -> silver is associated with moon deity -> silver is associated with the moon.

goodguy5

2:05 PM

oh, neat. didn't know that.

But that still doesn't answer HOW the magic is transferred.

Also, silver coins as sling bullets

Yuuki

@goodguy5 I remember that from one of the horror story anthologies I read as a kid.

NautArch

@goodguy5 my bard carries silvered metal balls for Animate Objects.

Yuuki

Kid sharpens a silver coin to kill a werewolf and the werewolf reverts to human form upon dying and it turns out to be his brother or his best friend or his dad or something.

goodguy5

that's terrifying

kviiri

@goodguy5 When I was in my early teens I was really into ADOM the roguelike, and the Merchant character class (one of the more tricky options to start with) had a bonus to using thrown coins as weapons.

Yuuki

2:07 PM

There were some really frightening (for a kid) illustrations, I can't recall the name of the anthology.

Ah, this one:

Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark

Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark is a series of three children's books written by Alvin Schwartz and illustrated by Stephen Gammell. The titles of the books are Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark (1981), More Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark (1984), and Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones (1991). == Overview == Schwartz drew heavily from folklore and urban legends as the topic of his stories, researching extensively and spending more than a year on writing each book. The first volume was published in 1981, and the books have subsequently been collected in both a box set and a single...

goodguy5

will check later

I've always wanted to do gold-bane werewolves

NautArch

@Yuuki loved those books!

Also, the glowing review I gave for the Alchemy Wars series is shifting. Not digging what's happening in the third book.

Yuuki

@NautArch wew sequel decay

kviiri

I'm really liking Paris by Edward Rutherfurd, so far

This novel is structured differently than other Rutherfurd novels. Usually Rutherfurd's novels have a linear timeline progressing from the distant past towards the present, but so far Paris has had a couple of prominent stories in the 1870's and 1880's with a couple of flashbacks to the city's earlier history.

goodguy5

oh, who recommended digressions and dragons?

@nitsua60 does it get more "DM"y and less ranty?

The Oracle

2:38 PM

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Q: When is the Houserule tag appropriate?

Based on this question I have an unclear understanding of when and how to use the Houserule and Homebrew tags. Homebrew tag has some clearer guidance: For questions about homebrewing new rules content for an existing system That seems to be imply the tag is for when you are creating, or ho...

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doppelpurpler

@TheOracle 👍

nitsua60

2:59 PM

@goodguy5 It's very wide-ranging. Lots of discussion of various video games, they did a whole episode on PF2.0, TV shows and movies. I'd say it's more about design of games than running games, though there's discussion of running games, too.

goodguy5

I've listened to the first two episodes and I'm having a really hard time enjoying it, at least in the scope that I'm looking for.

Especially compared to something like TL;DM that is ABOUT tabletop gaming and DMing

nitsua60

@goodguy5 Well, if you're not enjoying it now it's not likely to change. Too much good content out there for you to spend time on somthing you don't like =)

goodguy5

Well, that's why I was asking. If there's "more to it" so to speak and/or the podcast morphs into something else than the first two episodes.... then it might have been worth it.

Thanks for the recommendation, though ^_^

nitsua60

@Yuuki Ooh, I loved those. Should pick them up for the house. Let the kids stumble across them some day =)

@goodguy5 Nah, the only real evolution is that the audio quality gets a little better when they both give themselves some new pieces of equipment for Christmas.

(Not that I felt like it was bad to start, but it feels... closer now?)

Yuuki

@nitsua60 Those illustrations gave me night terrors for weeks.

Upon looking up "night terrors", that's apparently the wrong term.

I had nightmares and sleep anxiety for weeks after reading those books.

nitsua60

3:16 PM

You can get the box-set of all 3 for $13. This is definitely going on a shelf in the study, to sit like a time-bomb for my kids to discover some day.

@goodguy5 Do you have 30 seconds to "pitch" TL;DM?

kviiri

3:57 PM

Hm, I'm having a bit of a trouble figuring out what I want to do with our 7th Sea game.

Mike Q

@kviiri What is the issue and what are your options?

NautArch

@kviiri drown?

kviiri

@MikeQ Basically, the system seems rather well-designed for a narrative sandboxy playstyle. However, I haven't really been able to squeeze out what my players actually want yet.

Not that there's any rush. We haven't even scheduled session 0 yet.

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