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2:00 PM
@goodguy5 rep
 
yea that
that 5e 3.x conversation is a gold mine haha
 
@SPavel Is this taking place during the hundred days, after Napoleon's leaving Elba and before Waterloo?
 
@KorvinStarmast yes, though because you were in prison and news travel slowly, it's closer towards the end
Let's say you were prisoners of war in Prussia
 
@SPavel OK, how many days before the initial engagements at Ligny and Quatre Bras?
@Spavel Do you have any idea how long it takes to get from Prussia to Belgium?
 
@KorvinStarmast I never said it would be easy
 
2:06 PM
Also, are you aware that two armies, Austrian and Russian, were mobilizing east of the Rhine while Wellington's coalition with the Prussians was trying to catch Bonaparte before he took Brussels?
 
Also didn't Prussia own a bunch of land that bordered Belgium at the time
 
The battle didn't take place in a vacuum.
 
@KorvinStarmast yes, if you are crafty you can sabotage Blucher
Note: shouting "napoleon iz over zere" and pointing the wrong way gives Disadvantage
 
@SPavel I'd need to look at a map of Europe in 1815, since a lot of the spoils of the 1814 campaign were still getting settled after Napoleon accepted exile.
Blucher nearly sabotaged himself at Ligny ... :p
 
@KorvinStarmast From what I remember of Napoleon: Total War, Prussia started the Napoleonic Wars holding a big chunk that bordered France
And no matter how much I asked them to trade it for Hanover, they wouldn't
 
2:09 PM
@Spavel Hmmm, in real history, the Napoleonic/Revolutionary Era wars began in 1793 before Napoleon got noticed by the council ...
The Levee en masse happened when Prussians (and Austrians IIRC) and Bavarians came west to deal with those French who were stirring up the ancient regime ...
 
Cleves-Mark
that's the bit they start with
a trash piece of land used for nothing
 
Good timeline of 1793 at the link
 
1793 is too early for Dungeons with Dragoons
did they even have dragoons in 1793 (probably)
but did they have their amazing hats with the plumes (also probably)
 
the cannonade of valmy was in 1792, and may be what @Spavel was referring to, Prussians moving on Paris ...
 
I didn't say anything about Prussians moving on Paris
#fakenews
 
no Germans in France #faussesnouvelles
 
It' was the opening move in the Revolutionary Wars, because it was an attempt to restore the Bourbon Monarchy. Napoleon didn't get noticed until some years later, after Toulon IIRC.
 
Alternative campaign: You play as a Russian peasant conscripted into the army, the entire game is marching to Paris and by the time you get there, Blucher already got Napoleon
Features neither dungeons nor dragoons but you do get a nifty pike
 
2:31 PM
@KorvinStarmast or we could talk about it here if you wish?
 
@Rubiksmoose I am not the only person who makes these reasonable requests for the asker to put a modicum of effort into their questions.
You might want to add a quote saying what button 4 does from the Cube of Force entry in the DMG; off the top of my head I can't remember what the buttons do... EDIT: I posted seconds after you comment and didn't see it, but including a DMG quote would still help your question. — NathanS 56 mins ago
 
@KorvinStarmast But there must be some disagreement here because I have been scolded for making such requests
 
I am not sure that there is anything to discuss. Asking a question asker to stop being lazy is a reasonable request.
 
Let me be clear here: I am not disagreeing that it would be useful, but telling them it is required I think is incorrect.
 
You sure didn't get scolded by me, and you won't, because I spend considerable effort with people trying to get badly written questions improved.
Where did I say it was Required? Did you read something into what I wrote? I made a request, and I used emphasis, since this user has not been very good about clarity in questions.
 
2:35 PM
@KorvinStarmast I mean I definitely do too. I workshop question with people via comments and chat all the time. I don't have a beef with you and am not questioning your credentials or anything like it. I am simply trying to understand and have a discussion about if that was reasonable or not. If I am wrong then it would be more of the same and another lesson learned for me. This is me trying to learn from a more experienced member
 
Some people need to be advised in a different style than others that putting some research and effort into a question significantly improves results.
@Rubiksmoose I am not as hidebound nor as rule bound as some who participate here. Each person with a question to answer/problem to solve is their own case, and each brings something different to the table. Some people need to be taught how to interact more effectively.
 
I think it was that comment originally that had it, but I see you edited it so I can't quote exactly what I first read.
 
@Rubiksmoose That's right, I am asking this user to stop being so vague in question asking. With Good Reason.
I have found that those who take the effort to identify what rule or text or lore or concept is confusing them get better results, and there is less guess work in arriving at an answer.
 
Listen, right now you are coming across as angry and I'm not sure if that is correct or if that is directed at me, but all I am trying to do is have a discussion.
 
@Rubiksmoose Not angry with you. No. (Frustrated with the question asker's consistent and sustained lack of effort).
 
2:40 PM
@KorvinStarmast I would be lying if I said that I was not also frustrated by the same thing honestly. I was thinking about asking something related to it on meta, but I need to do a search through first to see if any other things already answer my question.
also I don't want to open a meta against one user.
 
If question is bad, downvote and move on. Especially if the asker is not putting in the effort to improve it.
 
@Rubiksmoose And neither do I. (The meta thing) I am hoping that engagement and dialogue will help.
@SPavel That is one way to respond, but not the only way.
 
@SPavel bad questions get bad answers, and sometimes lots of them. Sometimes bad questions are bad for other reasons such as inexperience which warrant correcting IMO.
 
@KorvinStarmast It's the easiest way :)
 
@SPavel I have never been a fan of the SE norm of down vote and leave no reason why. As I discussed with mxy a few years ago, it smacks of the Anonymous Coward syndrome from the early days of the internet. I do understand why the SE model uses that, but it has a side effect that leaves a bad taste in the mouth of a lot of users.
I have seen those discussions on all five SE sites where I participate regullarly
The responses boil down to "what's with the hit and run down vote and no feedback on how to improve question/answer?"
 
2:45 PM
@KorvinStarmast If the question is obviously bad, and you ask the asker to improve it, and the asker does not improve it, and you downvote, and the asker asks 'what's with the hit and run"...
maybe they are not cut out for Stack?
 
@SPavel I think that is generally the sentiment yes. On the other hand, if you downvote, correct, and then they do make the changes, you have just created a more effective (potential) member of the community right?
 
@Spavel maybe they are not cut out for Stack? Really? I had nearly that exact interaction early in my time here. :p I wasn't going to change my question before I got the courtesy of a response as to what was wrong with it.
 
@KorvinStarmast Read the two lines above that one.
 
@SPavel I read the whole comment, and My reply was to the whole thing. Are you suggesting that me, having that initial reaction, wasn't cut out for this stack?
 
@KorvinStarmast I've had that happen to me once or twice and it drives me nuts
 
2:48 PM
@Rubiksmoose I do wish there was a notification of some sort for "the question you downvoted might have been improved" but it would probably be hard to balance it between useless and annoying
 
@Spavel On all of the SE metas, and on SE meta, the matter of the down vote mechanic has been done to death.
 
@KorvinStarmast Agreed. I try to think of every new user from the perspective of me when I started which was utterly clueless about the site and just wanting an answer.
 
@KorvinStarmast I am suggesting that your example has nothing to do with what I said since you changed what was wrong with your answer when someone told you and I clearly said "and the asker does not improve it"
 
@SPavel Actually, no I didn't. I disagreed with the person. I also got short with them in a comment and got a mod message about not doing that. (From SSD IIRC)
 
@KorvinStarmast So the system works
 
2:50 PM
@KorvinStarmast I think it's less about if we ask them to improve (we should!) and more about how we ask them.
 
IIRC, my comment had something about "thanks for the cheap shot" or something like that.
 
@NautArch spot on.
 
@NautArch Yeah, that's correct.
 
@KorvinStarmast Cheap shots are the best kind, there's a $10 for 5 shots place nearby
But it's being shut down because it turns out they were watering down the liquor (whoda thunk it)
 
And As I pointed out to Rubik, not everyone responds the same to the same input. Some people need the two by four to the brain housing unit.
 
2:51 PM
lmao that took me a second
 
@SPavel @nitsua60 Like Dudley's Draw! :)
 
It is clear to me that we should always attempt to tell people when they do something wrong or that could be improved. Because, more often then not, I find that people make these mistakes not out of malicious intent or laziness, but out of ignorance.
 
@KorvinStarmast Downvotes are pretty decent as far as percussive maintenance goes
It's the closest we are legally allowed to get to punching someone in the face over the Internet
 
from another SE, this is one answer that's been downvoted several times and I have no idea why
https://lifehacks.stackexchange.com/questions/10531/how-can-i-prevent-pee-from-flying-off-target/11396#11396
 
@SPavel we each have our own unique style ...
 
2:53 PM
@goodguy5 NSFW?
 
it's on lifehacks, I don't see why it would be nsfw
unless you don't pee at work
I answered it at work lol
 
@KorvinStarmast I do apologize if I come across as overly legalistic sometimes and even in this specific case. I am trying to learn not only the rules but also how to interact as a community here.
 
@SPavel hahaha
 
that's how I feel about work! (I'm a developer... "code"? haha)
speaking of work, I should get to that. I've been fucking around here all morning
 
3:01 PM
@goodguy5 Isn't that what they pay us for?
 
sometimes ;)
 
@Rubiksmoose found some add'l support from crawford on knowing the unmodified result
 
Is this about lucky?
 
@goodguy5 yeah, this question
 
Yea, I 100% agree
It's a little wonky after your group has figured out the thing's AC
 
3:08 PM
I get that because it's not explicit a DM doesn't have to, but I really wouldn't suggest picking up the feat if they don't.
Yup, but that's part of it. If you've waited enough turns before using it, that's part of the strategy. SOmetimes you're lucky, sometimes you make your own luck!
 
3:22 PM
@Rubiksmoose No worries, my friend, you heart is in the right place. :)
 
@KorvinStarmast in his chest cavity?
 
@NautArch Uh, no, that's where the blue s_laad is. :)
 
@KorvinStarmast salad or slaad?
 
Stupid Autocorrect changed it to salad ... ????
Autocorrect: we hates it Precious!
 
heh
 
3:29 PM
@KorvinStarmast I just sent out a linkedin message for a job to someone and they're response was "Hello thank you for the interest but I am not looking for kinky opportunities". I'm pretty sure kinky was supposed to be LinkedIn.
 
heh
 
@NautArch depends on what job you sent out ;)
 
I sometimes wonder if the creators of autocorrect put in these things on purpose
 
@SPavel was not an opportunity for the oldest profession
 
@NautArch Doesn't need to be, some of the processes in corporate are so perverse that they'd make a courtesan blush :P
 
3:34 PM
@KorvinStarmast I had thought there was another similar question regarding cutting words, but i can't find it.
but it's asically about all abilities where knowing a die result makes a difference when making the choice ot use the ability.
 
Ah, cutting words. Yeah, the usual ruling is that the player gets to see the roll and the result of the roll, but not modifiers, before making the call to use it or not.
It's a rather awkward power in practice. I had to always remind my GM that "hey, I have a use of Bardic Inspiration left, so roll openly"
 
@kviiri yeah, i've had DMs in our rotating group (even though we've asked everyone to DM with the same table rules) who didn't want to expose the die. So I had to guess on whether or not to use it. It makes it a lot less fun.
 
@kviiri Yeah, that's a thing ....
 
I also generally don't understand why a DM would roll behind a screen for active events.
other than not allowing players to figure out AC, etc :)
 
Trying to keep AC (or other DCs) secret is a rather misguided thing in general. In most cases the PCs ought to have a pretty good idea about whether the opponents they're fighting are easy or hard to hit.
"But metagaming", sure, but I think keeping mental notes about which rolls hit and which didn't is a far worse form of that than just... well, knowing the number and getting to concentrate on something more entertaining.
 
3:42 PM
@kviiri Honestly, most of the measures to curb metagaming are worse than the metagaming
Usually you see metagaming when DMs fail to provide the necessary level of in-character knowledge
 
@SPavel Yeah
 
A character should know that they missed because they bungled that axe throw, vs they executed it perfectly, better than at the axe throwing olympics where they got first place, but the axe bounced harmlessly off the enemy, who laughed, picked it up, and ate it
 
@SPavel There's this anecdote I keep going back to, but I never got my players to walk into a trap without making it completely obvious.
 
@kviiri What seems like "obvious" to a DM is "vague and inscrutable hint" for PCs
 
@SPavel Yeah but I mean like, REALLY obvious. In the sense that I literally told them that "it's way too quiet here. I'll be damned if this isn't a trap."
 
3:45 PM
"We know that the old soothsayer warned us that if we go into this cave, there's a magic seal that will explode our heads... but what could this cryptic warning mean?" -gets head exploded-
 
@SPavel "Gotcha, the soothsayer lied!"
"Actually you explode if you DON'T go in!"
 
@kviiri "I read this in Sun Tzu yesterday - it's the double bluff! Onward, comrades!"
However, if you give them this information as a result of a successful skill check suddenly they are ace sleuths
 
I try to use the Apocalypse World philosophy of "no gotchas". Players are free to get their characters in trouble as much as they like but I try to never make it because of them having inadequate information.
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Turns out most of the time the players want their characters to be in trouble, who would've known!
 
3:59 PM
@kviiri Well, they want trouble that they can trivially solve
"Oh yeah, consequences" is a standard phase
 
@NautArch last time I checked!
 
@Rubiksmoose how long ago was that
 
@SPavel [checks sticker] 500 miles ago.
 
@Rubiksmoose better get that tune-up, you can't one punch man RPG with a janky heart
 
@SPavel sounds like I should get a check up and maybe jog 10k every day
 
4:08 PM
@Rubiksmoose don't forget 100 push ups, 100 sit-ups and 100 squats
 
@SPavel see I knew I was doing something wrong. The last villain I punched only laughed at me.
 
@Rubiksmoose Did you try kicking him, you would have sikk glutes
Then you could be one punch and then a whole bunch of kicks man
 
@SPavel how about you do uppers and I'll do lowers and that way we'll make a competent super hero combined?
 
@SPavel They want trouble that'll be amusing to solve!
 
@Rubiksmoose doing uppers is what got me kicked out of sports in the first place
 
4:16 PM
@SPavel hahaha! Bet that was a downer.
 
4:29 PM
Now for some Stellaris: Apocalypse
cya all
 
We've had one use of this tag this month and one more 3 years ago and that's it
I am not sure it needs to exist
 
it's fine
it's a thing, the questions are about that thing, the tag categorises the questions about that thing
& it's not on its face a bad tag
 
@SPavel I'm not really sure it is an issue though. Plenty of tags have almost nothing in them.
 
@Rubiksmoose Maybe plenty of tags should be edited
 
4:42 PM
@doppelgreener it was honestly just humorous to me.
 
@Rubiksmoose it's quite an odd sort of thing!
it's like the 200 word challenge, sorta
 
I still hold out hope that the 200 word challenge will catch on more than the cinnamon challenge, the ice bucket challenge, and the tide pod challenge
 
@SPavel um... yeah especially the latter.
 
I wonder if it's possible to write an RPG about eating tide pods - you use peer pressure to convince the other players to eat tide pods while resisting their own attempts to make you eat tide pods
As soon as someone eats a tide pod, the entire table loses
 
a few days ago the internet discovered an australian/NZ/UK candy called Pods (that has existed for about a decade) and went nuts thinking it was a brand new kind of candy capitalising on the tide pods meme (no actual relation)
 
4:47 PM
@doppelgreener This was quite a rollercoaster of a sentence emotion-wise lol
 
@SPavel Everyone is John, perhaps?
 
@SPavel OnePodMan the RPG
 
@MikeQ Tide Pod is not a bad EiJ personality
 
5:01 PM
So, in preparing for my campaign for a PbtA game called Masks (young superheros centered RPG) I've had questions that I've had a hard time finding, but found elsewhere.
 
@Rubiksmoose Peanut ButTer sAndwich?
 
Would it be worth potentially asking them here and then self-answering if I don't get responses? Or is it not worth even asking because of the low to non existant population of people on this SE that play/can answer this question?
@SPavel so close! Powered by the Apocalypse (based loosely on Apocalypse World's rule set).
 
@Rubiksmoose sometimes it feels like this day and age is already powered by the apocalypse
 
@SPavel #tooreal lol
 
5:33 PM
@KorvinStarmast fwiw, upon reflection, I think you were right to make the suggestion to OP.
 
6:00 PM
Every time I look at quetzalcoatlus, I get confused
This thing was real but it looks so ridiculous
 
@SPavel A show my 3 year old daughter watches featured Quetzalcoatlus. It made me happy to know we live in an age where dinosaur information is so abundant. And badass
 
@SPavel +200 rep in a single day from that answer. holy smokes
 
@goodguy5 Ah, you've hit the rep cap
It will steal much rep from you
 
yea. I don't think I've ever done that before lol
 
Huh, I only had 5 answers in 2017
 
6:10 PM
git gud
 
I had already gitten gud in 2016
When I first joined I got a big boost in rep because I joined to answer a bounty question
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A: What ways exist for a creature using the XPH to get psionic attack and defense modes?

SPavelYou can become a truth seeker, which to my knowledge was never officially updated. The requirements are easily met (nonevil, base attack bonus +5, three feats, and two skills). At 1st level, a truth seeker learns two of the ten psionic combat modes. This option is superior to the prestige c...

but my first very successful answer only came a month later
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A: What should I keep in mind when running a game intended to subvert the players' expectations?

SPavelBe an NPC, not the GM The GM, as an entity, must be infallible to a certain degree, because he is the PC's conduit to the game world. If he says the party meets an NPC, the party is now reacting to this NPC. If he says here there be dragons, the party stocks up on burn ointment. Players are like...

 
@Rubiksmoose Could have couched the terms better, most likely.
 
Wow, Spavel. I didn't realize I was talking to such a grizzled veteran
 
@goodguy5 I have reasonably little grizzle
 
@SPavel how about gristle?
 
6:17 PM
@Rubiksmoose oh, that I have in spades
 
@SPavel why do you store it in spades?
 
Tough, unpleasant, and difficult to swallow - gristle is basically my spirit animal
@Rubiksmoose They wouldn't let me take it into any clubs
 
@SPavel XD
 
And we all know that hearts are muscle, not gristle.
 
@SPavel I haven't been active for a year yet really lol so I have no stats to compare
only since December 17 I think
 
6:21 PM
@goodguy5 my heart is coal, which is basically just diamond in a different configuration
 
@SPavel probably works just as well as a heart of gold would
 
@Rubiksmoose About as improbable
@Rubiksmoose Wow, 13k rep in 2 months?
 
@SPavel I see what you did there. :)
@SPavel three really I guess. But now I feel like the guy who tries way too hard and is way too interested in the thing lol
 
@Rubiksmoose You've basically got as many points as me in 1/10th the time
Well maybe 1/4, what is math anyway
 
@SPavel how does math work?
 
6:26 PM
We're not hipsters, we don't dock you for being a tryhard
 
@SPavel THAT'S the word I was trying to think of. Goodness.
 
who's real smart with the Planes in D&D?
 
@SPavel actually technically not! apparently I answered a question way back in 2016 for some reason lol.
@goodguy5 Mordenkainen I hear :P
 
@Mordenkainen is there a plane where time moves slower?
 
@goodguy5 Loads! For example, time on the DMV Plane stands still
 
6:34 PM
(bunch of wise guys in the chat right now I guess lol)
 
idk what that is
 
@goodguy5 Department of Motor Vehicles
 
oh lmao
fucking got me
 
we were actually both joking. Mine was a famous D&D wizard.
 
I know who Mordenkainen is
I was just so focused, I didn't pick up on the joke about DMV
Also, I'm from Maryland; we have an MVA (Motor Vehicle Administration)
 
6:36 PM
Feywild has nonlinear time
 
You probably know more about him then I do actually! which is why you don't want to ask me about planes knowledge.
 
Hrm... I'm looking for a place where you'd have "more" time to spend than the overworld
 
@goodguy5 Yeah in MI it is the SOS, but Ohio has DMVs
 
@goodguy5 I don't think those exist, for obvious reasons
 
@goodguy5 IIRC on some planes, time moves faster/slower than its flow on the material plane... but I don't know which ones specifically
 
6:38 PM
Mostly you see the Timeless trait (Astral, Feywild)
>TIME ALONG THE GREAT WHEEL
Within the D&D cosmology, time flows at a normal rate, and all planes have normal time trait. Planes with the flowing time trait or the erratic time trait change the game too dramatically for most players' tastes.
The only exception to this is the Astral Plane, which is a timeless plane for purposes of aging, hunger, thirst, and natural healing.
 
@goodguy5 if you are DMing for this, you could always just say that X plane has time run differently than the material and it would be true for your world. though I have not thought about any repercussions of this.
@SPavel "aging, hunger, thirst, and natural healing" one of these things is not like the other...
 
Someone was asking about ways to speed up training
The only thing I can think of is going to a plane where you have more time, a la the Hyperbolic Time Chamber in DBZ.
but I don't know of such a place in faerun
 
@goodguy5 That would be the most powerful broken artifact in the game
Notice how the Z warriors only went in there for 24 hours of real time and unlocked a new Super Saiyan level
Imagine an elf training for 10 years real time
 
@goodguy5 you could try accelerating the training character to near light speed lol
 
you'd still need to have enough money and food to get "through" the training period
it's like 40gp per level or something.
 
6:41 PM
@goodguy5 So many magic items remove the need for food
 
I often don't have the resources to do that
 
Or just be a warforged
 
this post:
https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/116005/is-there-a-way-to-train-faster
 
@goodguy5 you should probably delete that comment. It's basically an incomplete answer.
 
@NautArch oh yeah it definitely is.
 
6:44 PM
especially since it's not a D&D question :)
 
I struggle so much with that problem on this site
 
I've actually been seeing a huge amount of that lately.
@goodguy5 I don't blame you. I'm still getting used to how and when to comment.
 
Like "I have this idea of an idea, but I don't know how to form a full idea"
"Maybe someone else does"
 
@goodguy5 Coming in here to ask would be the right way to go about that - or going off to do the research yourself so you can put together a full answer.
 
@goodguy5 have you read the meta post on it? It is quite informative and helps a lot to understand why the system can't deal with answering in the comments
 
6:45 PM
I'll post it as an answer tomorrow for that sweet rep, since I'm maxed out for the day lol
 
@goodguy5 are you familiar with the hackmaster system?
 
and no @Rubiksmoose
@NautArch OMG WHAT. I thought it was just a funny tag for 5e
I see it now
oh god. I had no idea lol
ya learn something new every day
 
@goodguy5 i only noticed that tag after reading comments in a deleted answer :)
 
@NautArch I saw the tag, and laughed about it. I'd literally never heard of hackmaster. And since it happened to be 5e and I had been thinking about dnd5e, my brain made the leap for me.
 
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A: Should users refrain from answers (or partial answers) in comments?

mxyzplkYou should not answer in comments. Not partial answers, not full answers. Not "leads on" an answer. Not "I would answer but I'm tired/just woke up/am drunk so I'll just say this..." These will be deleted. Answer in answers. Answering in comments does the following things. It bypasses quest...

finally found it
 
6:51 PM
ty
 
@Rubiksmoose question on that wizard spellbook/book of shadows answer...
 
hit me
 
i had thought you could only inscribe ritual spells into that book?
 
@Rubiksmoose actually, it seems at first you can only have those three cantrips in it, which let you cast at will if you have the book. Later, you can take an invocation that allows you to put rituals in it. That seems to imply that without the invocation, you can't add anything to it at all?
 
6:54 PM
@NautArch the text on warlock doesn't specify
It's still a book.
you should be able to write in it like any other book, imo
 
@NautArch that is correct with what I'm seeing currently. However, I take that more as a restriction on what the warlock can learn more than what you can physically scribble into the book
 
so it's' a "it doesn't say I can't, so I can" thing?
 
that is how I read it,
 
I am not a fan of that logic.
 
@NautArch put it this way though, neither the spellbook nor the book of shadows are magical items (I believe). They are just books.
 
6:57 PM
gri·moire
ɡrimˈwär/Submit
noun
a book of magic spells and invocations.
 
What's the worst case scenario of sharing the spellbook between the wizard and warlock spells?
 
that you have to carry two books
 
@MikeQ bypassing having to rebuild your spellbook upon it's loss or destruction
You can also only inscribe wizard spells into a wizard spellbook. If there's warlock spells in it, too - then it's not a wizard's spellbook.
 
Or, it's a wizard spellbook, with inserts from a warlock spellbook
 
@NautArch see, I don't see why it would. Pact of the Tome clearly states that you lose your old book and do the ritual, you get a NEW book.
 
6:59 PM
@NautArch oh another way to think of it is that you are following the rules for both classes. Warlock says you can write spells in a book and wizard says you can write spells in a book. So writing them in the same book doesn't seem like a strectch.
 
so you'd lose your inscribed wizard spells imo
 

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