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Ben
10:06 AM
Ok, long shot... does anyone know, or point me in the direction of Eviction Law?
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I have a friend that is really struggling financially, and they were just served and Eviction notice today.
They owe 2 months worth of rent (it's charged monthly), and one of the tenants has been lied to about his job (not paid for the little work he has done, and constantly been cut from shifts).
So, they apparently owe roughly $2k to cut even, or $5k to break lease
This is US law, btw
 
@Ben you may have an organisation in your area that provides residential tenancy advice. there are nonprofits along those lines in UK and Australia.
 
Ben
I'm looking for the US.
I don't know the law, but forcing someone to pay over double what they already can't afford seems wrong
 
10:21 AM
Right, are there such organisations in that area in the US?
 
Ben
@doppelspooker No idea.
I'm in Aus
 
uh I am pretty sure we have laws in the US that disallow evicting tenants
but it might depend on which State it is in
and really I am not like, a lawyer so I could just be dead wrong
and even if I am right, the circumstances of when and why that would be illegal are just not something I know
 
Ben
@trogdor They live in Florida
 
mk
it actually looks like,.... it has more to do with what city it is
which is odd
specifically the law I was thinking of I mean
each state also has different laws about it
 
Ben
From what I've seen, the only flaw is that the tenant should have breached 3 months?
But the main issue I have is forcing the tenant to pay out the entire agreement, which is way more money, and they can't even afford the normal rent amount :/
 
10:29 AM
@Ben I think that depends on the city
 
Ben
Yeah.
Being over in Aus is putting a bit of a veil over the situation for me
 
mm
we have a lot of laws that have to be strictly adhered to here that protect tennants
I am sure some other countries have that kind of thing too, but I know for a fact that for some reason we have some pretty strong protections for tenants here
but I don't want to,.... try to say something too definitive because I don't actually like, study law
I am trying to look some stuff up about it atm though
though that could also be suspect info to some extent
 
We have rather strong tenant protection laws too, including large amounts of legalese that can't even be bypassed by the rent contract.
 
I do know, because my dad happens to be a landlord, that it is their responsibility to maintain the place
at least for big things
so if that isn't happening, that could be cited in a case
that doubled what I said for some reason
 
Eg. here the landlord can't unilaterally sign off the lease without giving a three month notice (extended to six months if the tenant has been living in the apartment for at least a year), even if the contract stipulates a shorter notice period. It doesn't apply to eviction because of unpaid rents or malicious behavior on the tenant's part, afaik.
 
10:44 AM
anyway, it's hard to know how to help without way more specific info,... and that seems problematic for at least a few reasons
this friend might not want a bunch of random people on the internet to know this stuff for starters
I would suggest a lawyer,... but that sounds outside of monetary means at the moment
and "supposedly" at least, starting a court case over it could cause the tenant to need to pay the landlord's legal fees if the tenant loses the case
 
Yeah, it's best if I don't even pretend to understand US law that well.
 
but there are a plethora of things the landlord needs to do to have an airtight case, I don't know what all those things are but I am aware of the fact that there are many things even without looking them up
(though obviously more specific info than what I have would be leagues more helpful than that flailing I just spat out)
 
For tonight's dinner I rummaged through the fridge for odds and ends. I came up with toasted sunflower seeds, walnuts, candied ginger, dried apricots, craisins, and bananas. So I diced the ginger and apricots, crushed the walnuts, sliced the bananas, and used it all as toppings on Greek yogurt and bagels.
 
Ben
@trogdor they've done nothing wrong, other than not pay the rent, due to financial problems
And unfortunately, this isn't the first time this has happened, and they just haven't had anywhere else to go
@BESW noice
They were forced to renew the lease because of that too
 
11:04 AM
I can ask my parents about some general tenancy laws tomorrow
my father manages all the landlord stuff and my mother is a retired lawyer
I don't know how much they would know about Florida law though
they did actually live there but only for a couple years
 
Ben
Thanks @trogdor. Any and all help is better than none
 
yeah I don't want to just do nothing, so I can try that at least
 
Ben
Same. I mean, I can throw some money at them, but if I can fix the problem rather than just prolonging it I'd prefer to do that
 
I mean, it seems like not getting paid for doing a job is something they could sue for
but good luck, even if you win, collecting from that in anywhere near enough time to pay rent with :/
 
Ben
True. I'll suggest it, but I don't know where he works. Like, if it's a "Joe Blog's" place he'd have better luck than a big franchise.
 
 
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12:18 PM
Blades game was only two players and still ace. Turns out it runs fine with smaller player counts and deals with players missing well.
 
@BESW \o/
June says blades in the dark ought to be fine with 2 players + 1 GM, now that I remember asking her about that, but it's great to see that say so as well.
 
Always fun to make an answer on mobile and then log in on computer to see how many typos one can fit in a short answer...
 
 
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3:54 PM
@trogdor location, though, might be enough to find a nonprofit or pro bono resource. (cc: @Ben)
I mean, a more specific location. Florida's a big place.
 
 
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5:37 PM
all quiet on the RPG front?
 
Well, I'm finally firing up my AW2e one shots.
Not a world-alteringly important event but a large step for me personally :)
 
5:50 PM
nice!
 
I need help thinking up a puzzle or some other non-combat encounter
 
what do your players like @GreySage
do they want an roleplaying encounter? or a solve the puzzle type of thing?
 
I don't really know. Our whole group is new and I'm new to GMing
 
heh :)
that opens your options to what you want to do
 
Our party consists of a Rogue, Warlock, Fighter, Druid (circle of the moon), and Barbarian
 
5:56 PM
i think the problem with a lot of puzzles is that they're out of character for the most part.
they can be fun, but it's the players and not the characters interacting with them
 
Right now we're running through lost mine of Phandelver, and the barbarian has been carrying most of the combats, so I want something that highlights someone other than her
 
on the flipside, a role playing encounter can start to be interesting as well, but it depends on how good you are at improv
 
I'm thinking along the lines of a puzzle which may not be hard to solve, bur requires skills unique to the characters, like stealth from the Rogue, shapeshifting from the Druid, etc
But I'm having a hard time coming up with anything
 
have you played lego star wars?
 
No, but I have played lego indiana Jones
 
6:00 PM
not sure if it's similar in terms of there are times when one character has to be used to get to a certain point to unlock whatever it is taht allows the rest to travel.
 
Right
 
you could do the same type of thing. Maybe it's an infiltration where there is a specific skill that's needed that they need to figure out.
the problem is that some stuff may require rolls and what happens if they fail.
 
6:15 PM
The thought I'm currently running with is a wall covered with the alphabet, next to each letter is a switch, and the party need to input the password to advance. The password will be easy to figure out from context, but each switch will be blocked by a mini-puzzle
So, 1 switch will be in a 30ft small hole, so the druid will need to shapeshift in order to hit it, etc.
 
What's your plan B if your players never figure it out?
 
@nitsua60 Interested, but you know that I know the adventure already, I'll let you determine how OK that is.
 
@kviiri The password or the mini-puzzles?
 
@GreySage Either
 
@kviiri The password will be obvious, it will be written on the map to the dungeon so it will be impossible to miss if they get to the dungeon at all.
If they don't get to the dungeon, then that is a separate problem.
 
6:26 PM
They can also use up any inspiration for clues :)
@GreySage so it's really more of a "you have the tools to solve this, you just need to figure out the right tool".
 
I'm planning on having the mini-puzzles really simple, like, hit this target with fire damage, hit this target with poison damage, push this target really hard (DC20 strength). I'm not sure how I'm going to let them know what the answer is for some of them, but I'm trying to make it easy to figure out
@NautArch Yeah
 
@GreySage I like this idea. You've given me the necessary informaiton on WHAT to press, they have to figure out the HOW
it's more on clues you can provide based on investigation rolls, maybe. (you try to press it, but it seem stuck) Maybe it's a grease spell. Maybe it's brute strength.
 
@NautArch Or maybe either would work :)
 
@GreySage multiple answers is not a bad idea. limits the issue of can't figure out the one.
 
I'm not really very comfortable using puzzles in DnD myself
 
6:43 PM
@kviiri I find that using puzzles depends on the players. If players don't mind having their own intuition tested, rather than their character's intuition tested, then they can be lots of fun. But if the players don't like the idea of anything except for their character's abilities being used, then it's definitely not the type of challenge I would advise
 
@Adam Yeah, that's one thing that bothers me a bit, but the bigger issue is just that the puzzles I think are good are not really that good for an RPG most of the time. At least for ones that block the progress until solved.
 
looks enjoyable for Stranger Things fans
 
@Adam although Greysage's idea really is more player focused puzzles. They have the tools, they know what they can do, they have to figure out how to make it work.
it's still a very in-character solution process
 
I came into the conversation super late, so I was talking more in general about the choice of using puzzles or not, rather than about any particular puzzle.
 
@Adam I agree. I find puzzles in game are either trivial or impossible, which is why I'm trying so hard to find something that will work.
 
6:57 PM
I think that's a really cool puzzle. I'm just saying that there is a certain kind of player who would approach puzzles with the "I shouldn't have to figure out the answer. My character should be able to figure it out. rolls d20... I got a 25 intelligence check. Can you just tell us the answer and move us on?" mentality. And if your table just happened to have that kind of player, I could understand not wanting to use puzzles
 
@Adam definitely.But without knowing his table preferences yet, this isn't a bad one to start with.
Otherwise, leaning to a roleplay encounter may be better
 
@Adam I can see that. I don't think any of my players are that way. There is also an element of "You know how to do this, now actually do it", that I think will interest my players because they have to use their skills, which they don't always get a chance to, and it depletes some resources
 
Good puzzles in general are those that keep nagging you for a while, possibly long, and then the solution seems genius. They might take five seconds or five years, depending on how soon you grasp the idea. But that's not really a good quality for a tabletop RPG.
 
Or similarly, I was playing in a game about a year ago where, whenever the party came across a puzzle or the like, one of the players would shut down and tell us "this isn't my thing" and wouldn't even try to discover the solution or work with the rest of us.
@GreySage It would certainly interest me. It's fun getting to use your cool stuff. Especially cool ribbons.
 
@Adam jiminy. and i thought my table had dysfunction.
 
7:13 PM
@Adam I love when ribbons are useful, from either side of the screen
 
@GreySage you can also use any interesting magic items they have, along with ribbon abilities and spells/skills.
 
7:50 PM
@GreySage do you have access to their character sheets to get what you need?
 
8:05 PM
 
@NautArch No, but I know most of their abilities/spell selections, and their equipment.
 
@NautArch Nice to see his mother giving gaming credit for being a thing of enjoyment and passion in Wyatt's life. I know it's not that rare, really, but the popular stereotype where parents will find it odd at best needs to be debunked.
 
@GreySage that's mostly it. Druids prepare, so they may need a day to get what's needed :)
@kviiri it's a really touching request
 
8:24 PM
My AW world wound up looking a lot like a fantasy world I designed when I was in my pre-teens.
Fantasy world: huge and deep roughly conical crater-ish thing on the ground. No one has escaped the crater and returned to tell the tale - the people live in large natural and artificial caverns occurring on the steep sides of the crater. They travel between settlements by taking walkways that have been cut into the stone between caverns and by using primitive airship technology. However, at the bottom of the crater there's a boiling lake that manifests terrors at those who get too close.
AW world: a volcano-shaped fortress in the middle of frozen wasteland. In the center of it is a nuclear thingamajig that keeps producing heat. They haul snow on it both to keep it from overheating and to provide steam to the inner rims of the "volcano", making the inner side of the walls very pleasantly warm while the outer side of the wall is a freezing, nasty place only used for defense.
 
8:50 PM
hello
 
@kviiri so you kind of inverted it :)
howdy @DForck42
 
@NautArch how goes it?
 
@DForck42 not too bad. my horrific travel month is over and i've got a gameday tonight :)
of course, it's a drama-filled and possibly dysfunctional gameday, but i'll take it
 
@NautArch yay!
@NautArch yay?!
 
hahaha
i'mhoping for no drama.
and just good paladin smiting goodness
 
8:58 PM
@NautArch Is that smiting paladins, or paladins smiting?
 
hopefully the latter
 
@GreySage why not both?
 
@DForck42 'cause i dont wanna be smited. Smitten? Smoten?
 
@nitsua60 thank you, that also sounds like extremely good advice
 
@NautArch smit
 
9:36 PM
@THiebert Perfectly fine by me, as long as it's cool with all others. I've got two players at my AL table who are currently running it, and four or five who've played the whole thing before.
 
9:57 PM
@DForck42 Smote is also perfectly acceptable
@nitsua60 How many do you have so far?
 
< Hidden Depths. Once per adventure you can create an aspect with two free invokes, representing a previously unmentioned interest, goal, or other backstory element. It lasts until the end of the adventure. If you ever want to mention that particular backstory element again, it costs a fate point per adventure after the first.
 
@BESW sounds almost like it should be some kind of houserule rather than a stunt
 
Only if it's something everyone has access to.
 
@BESW that's what i meant, yeah
 
Usually there's only one character in a series who follows the trope regularly (Chakotay in Voyager, Mick in Legends of Tomorrow, etc.).
 
10:06 PM
@BESW Im' not familiar with either, but I understand
 
...though admittedly, Voyager does it with Paris too. But that's Voyager for ya.
 
 
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Ben
11:25 PM
Ok, going off my last conversation, is there any kind of organisations that can help people struggling with rent in the US?
 
rpg.stackexchange.com/a/109627/28329 <--- Could someone help me understand why this got so many downvotes? I'm new to this site and honestly not sure why.
Looking to improve my answers so they're more helpful.
 
@Dacromir It's not that there's anything particularly wrong with it, but the question is one which is way too broad, so people downvote answers to discourage answering a question that should really be closed.
 
That seems a little harsh
Why not just vote to close instead?
 
@Dacromir It seems like a fine answer, although the question is too open to know what the OP really wants
 
@trogdor As well.
 
11:37 PM
@Ben I have no idea on that
@Miniman OK I guess that works
 
So in the future, what should I have done there?
Not answered it?
Deleted my comment?
 
Ben
A situation like this is neither here nor there. Like it's been said, there's nothing wrong with your answer, other than the fact that the question is a bit too broad to be answered completely or properly.
Don't worry about it - just in future be a bit more critical of the question. Does this question have a clear, concise answer, that doesn't involve using an entire chapter's worth of explanation?
 
Generally I think the go-to advice is "if a question isn't very good, edit it to make it better (if you have enough information to do so), or give feedback in comments for improving it before answering." But at the same time, that question didn't really look bad enough to me to think you needed to be downvoted for answering it.
Voting is just weird sometimes.
 
Ben
I find that downvotes generally just attract more critical reviewers, which can often lead to more downvotes, whereas upvotes just make people think "It's a good answer, I don't need to upvote this"
@trogdor Don't mean to be pushy, but have you managed to speak to anyone yet?
 
@Miniman That's exactly what i did.
 
11:50 PM
Okay, that's good to know - I just wanted to make sure I hadn't violated some protocol or custom I wasn't aware of
 
@Dacromir I'd suggest you edit your answer to reflect the clarifications made in the comments to both your answer and the question itself (which should be done with the question as well) and remove all the rogue stuff, which comes across as a suggestion/discussion rather than a factual answer, which is what the site strives for.
 
@Ben I have not yet, but when I get home I will be doing that immediately, and no problem on that I don't take it that way at all
 
Ben
All good :)
 
This is definitely a time sensitive issue, as I understand it
 
Ben
Yeah. I mean, they did only just get handed the papers yesterday, so that gives them a couple of days
 
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