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Miniman
Miniman
6:00 AM
Actually, I kinda like that idea - even if it doesn't work for your scenario, a dungeon that checks you have each one of your racial abilities one by one seems cool.
 
Adeptus
Adeptus
@Miniman How do you check for weapon training? And how do you check that the same person is solving each check? Several races have darkvision, several classes have cantrips, several classes have weapon training...
 
Ben
Ben
@Miniman Unfortunately the Player has chosen abilities that are very much anti-dungeon. That is, none of their abilities apply to indoors.
@Adeptus Using bows but hitting a trigger with an arrow, perhaps
 
Miniman
Miniman
@Adeptus I didn't say it was a well-thought out idea :P
But it seems more elegant than a 9th-level sleep spell followed by a crushing wall trap.
 
Adeptus
Adeptus
Ooh, a permanent sleep spell/field. Elves can pass through no problem, anyone else has to roll a save
 
Miniman
Miniman
@Adeptus sleep doesn't even allow a save, normally.
 
Adeptus
Adeptus
6:05 AM
Even better
 
Ben
Ben
@Adeptus I was thinking that... The group of mercs would all have issues with that. But that means that my "boss room" will be a little bit more difficult
But.. I suppose instead of combat, it could turn into an escape...
 
Adeptus
Adeptus
And then you have to fire a bow at a target in darkness (while standing in the sleep field) to open the way through
Potentially opening the way for the whole party
 
Miniman
Miniman
@Adeptus Nah, an important part of being an elf is elitism. Leaving your party behind is one of the tests.
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Ben
Ben
I saw one trap - it was a mirror, with the [precious item] in the reflection (though obviously not in the room with the party). You can step through into the mirror, but as you do, a Shade steps out.
It attacks the party, but if the party retaliate, it injures the PC in the mirror
 
Miniman
Miniman
@Ben A Shade?
 
Ben
Ben
6:10 AM
@Miniman Err... a copy...
Can't remember the name...
 
Miniman
Miniman
Ah, right. Sorry, it's a word that's had a few meanings throughout D&D history.
 
Ben
Ben
Ah.
 
Miniman
Miniman
@Ben Clone? Ice Assassin? Evil reflection?
 
Ben
Ben
@Miniman Evil reflection works
Anyway, one solution is to just have the whole party step into the mirror. Leaving no one for the Evil reflections to target
...unless they target eachother ;)
Probably not going to put it in my dungeon... we'll see
 
Ben
Ben
6:28 AM
Actually, going back to the "Direct the beam of light" idea, what about simply shining the light on the wall, which appears to do no more than just create a light on the wall, but allows you to walk through it?
 
daze413
daze413
Any way I can search for that old question Dale M posted about DnD 5e's stealth and how it works?
 
Miniman
Miniman
 
Ben
Ben
Or is that too ambiguous
 
Miniman
Miniman
@Ben The issue I see with this is, how do they know when they've succeeded?
 
Ben
Ben
@Miniman page not found?
 
daze413
daze413
6:29 AM
@Miniman how did you search for this? is it a 20k+ rep thing?
 
Ben
Ben
@Miniman Yeah
 
Miniman
Miniman
@daze413 Nah, I searched for the meta question about it XD
 
daze413
daze413
@Miniman whoa, that was fast. o_o
 
Miniman
Miniman
@daze413 Not the first time this has come up.
@Ben Deleted, so 10k+ only. (Just realised I never replied.)
 
daze413
daze413
@Miniman Thanks! I realize I favorited it, so Imma try and see if its on my favorites page
 
Ben
Ben
6:32 AM
@Miniman Ohh
@Miniman Other than investigation, there's not really any way to tell
Perhaps some kind of faint ripple...?
 
daze413
daze413
\o/ it's there!! :D
 
Miniman
Miniman
@Ben But how is that different to just letting them see the door?
 
Ben
Ben
@Miniman it requires a perception check?
Or something similar
 
Miniman
Miniman
@Ben Personally, I'd feel a bit upset if I solved the puzzle but didn't get the benefit because of a failed roll.
 
Ben
Ben
I mean, I have no interest in making this dungeon difficult or long in any way... Just themed, and hopefully interesting
Random thought - what would fire look like in a vacuum of light?
 
Adeptus
Adeptus
6:38 AM
What is a vacuum of light?
 
Ben
Ben
Like, a darkness that absorbs light
 
Miniman
Miniman
@daze413 Huh, that's really interesting - also, wow, you favorite a lot of stuff :P
 
Adeptus
Adeptus
I guess it would either look normal, or be completely hidden by the darkness, depending how strong the effect is
 
Ben
Ben
@Adeptus Yeah... I was thinking that... Eg, if you lit a torch, it would look like you hadn't.
But you'd still burn yourself on it
Could be an interesting mechanic
Oh... how about this - The elf is not likely to leave the party behind, but I can force her to go on with out them. My idea does incorporate the mirror/Evil reflections, but with a twist.
Only she can go through the mirror - to all others, it's just a mirror. When she steps through, the large statues come to life inside the mirror, and attack her.
She has to avoid them, grab the item, and get out again
I can RP the statues being slow, just missing etc, with a few Dex checks/saves
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
7:31 AM
@Miniman (<-- cc @BESW @trogdor @JuneShores)
 
trogdor
trogdor
@doppelgreener hmm?
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@trogdor that forum sig quote is great & feels relevant to stuff we've been doing. click the bendy arrow. :D
 
BESW
BESW
Yeah, it's generally a good idea to attach an active feature to each significant character quality. If elfness is significant, it should be relephant to your problem-having/solving paradigm.
 
trogdor
trogdor
oooh
but which one does he mean?
 
BESW
BESW
(This is, in some ways, what Fate's aspects do.)
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
7:33 AM
@trogdor nothing specific, it's just a great way to think about mechanisation.
 
trogdor
trogdor
oh ok
yeah I already kinda do more or less I think
though I will admit getting caught up in passive stuff sometimes too
 
daze413
daze413
@Miniman oh, they're mostly "hey, this seems interesting but I can't read it all yet so I'll just click the star and read it later..." And I don't delete favorites once favorited, so there's that too.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@trogdor (that's not to say passive stuff is wrong, either! but active stuff can sometimes be cooler)
 
trogdor
trogdor
@doppelgreener yeah this is also true
 
BESW
BESW
@trogdor I think this is why Greener's suggesting we use Umdaarian stunts for SG-13.
 
trogdor
trogdor
7:42 AM
fair enough
 
BESW
BESW
It doesn't really support "always on" effects; that's limited to aspect truths.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@BESW I think it helps me understand why I find those more fun & appropriate for that game.
 
 
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eimyr
eimyr
9:39 AM
@nitsua60 I found my curve. pick 3 (lowest, middle or highest depending on skill) from 5d10
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
9:57 AM
Earlier today a Google Docs email phishing scam was squashed -- the scam looked remarkably legit, even going through the Google domain, and granted an attacker full control of your email while looking like you were just accessing a Google doc.
 
trogdor
trogdor
10:07 AM
@doppelgreener well, glad to hear they killed it then
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@trogdor me too! the scam itself was ingenious, as far as phishing scams go
 
trogdor
trogdor
I never clicked on docs without a prior heads up from the person sending it from some other means, but yeah that sounds like an insidiously smart way to spread a worm like that
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
10:42 AM
Hey Do&D 5e folks, would the epic-tier tag be appropriate for questions like this one asking about level 20+?
 
eimyr
eimyr
@doppelgreener so now that you're a mod, should we expect you to participate less and less while shifting your attention to behind-the-stage activities?
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
10:55 AM
@eimyr as a matter of fact, i have already done exactly that shift, so I don't expect much change. the past couple of years there hasn't been as much material for me to ask and answer about (i'm playing games that are mostly quite clear-cut or my learning has been outside the scope of RPG.SE topicality) so I've shifted my activity to community guidance, moderation, and curation.
and more recently i decided to lower my editing levels so as to leave room for others to step up to the plate -- and to avoid editing posts that need obvious attention sometimes, so that there was an obvious plate to step up to.
 
eimyr
eimyr
@doppelgreener I mean... on Chat etc.
I know you're not huge on core QA
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@eimyr if anything i might try to make sure i ask and answer a bit more so as to ensure i can stay in touch with the regular user experience, actually 🤔
@eimyr I don't expect my chat activity to change much
 
eimyr
eimyr
...
are you also going to be as officious as right now?
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
i'm just trying to answer your questions
 
eimyr
eimyr
"sure, I'll spend some time with the peasants..."
[obviously joking]
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
11:01 AM
(are you joking about the officious bit too, or is that bit serious)
 
eimyr
eimyr
(yeah, that too)
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
ok cool
 
eimyr
eimyr
if you start turning into some sort of a green Maybot I'll tell you elsewhere
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
That "staying in touch" comment is serious for me though too. BESW mentioned to me in a private conversation a while back that probably asking & answering regularly was important for a person to keep in touch with how regular users feel the site is working, and not doing that is a good way to get a weird distorted view of the site unintentionally. I think that's a valid concern, so I want to avoid that happening.
@eimyr Thanks, please do tell me if I'm turning to the dark side or something.
 
eimyr
eimyr
@doppelgreener Red side.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
11:06 AM
@eimyr that one.
 
eimyr
eimyr
@doppelgreener Well, there is nothing to replace the "new user" experience of coming and being told you don't understand how the site works.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@eimyr yeah that's not something i can simulate myself
 
eimyr
eimyr
@doppelgreener what's your Pantone signature?
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@eimyr I haven't consulted the Pantoracle about that yet
 
BESW
BESW
11:21 AM
[squint] I'm gonna say Pantone Solid Uncoated 2423 U.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@BESW that will do
the pantone alignment system gets very complex
 
BESW
BESW
If you ignore the gamut warnings you could lose your alignment completely.
(Most of your icon is completely outside the gamut warnings; I grabbed a color sample from the bit of cape visible on the left shoulder.)
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
11:37 AM
@BESW is being outside them good or bad..?
 
BESW
BESW
If you're outside the gamut, it means your color can be shown with light but not with ink.
 
The Oracle
The Oracle
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Q: What to do about (some of) the answers for the DnD 5e 'character knowledge about monsters' question?

Purple MonkeyThe specific question I'm talking about is: Does D&D 5e have a rule for character knowledge about monsters? and for what it's worth I'm not trying to start a flame war or call out users for doing something bad or wrong, I'm just bring up something I see as potentially problematic. Within the las...

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doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@BESW uh oh
 
BESW
BESW
So it looks fine on a computer screen, but when printed it'll get color-shifted to something else depending on the ink system you're using and the accuracy of the conversion process.
Mostly this is for intensely saturated colors, like the green of your chin.
Photoshop has a "gamut warning" option in the view menu, which turns all colors outside the gamut of your chosen color style (like CMYK) to grey.
 
Joel Harmon
Joel Harmon
@Miniman depending on what proficiency you're going for: fighter-caster, rogue-caster, bladelock, bladesinger (scag), and war clerics all come to mind
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
11:42 AM
I am always disturbed by the hatred of KRyan toward non-caster classes in Pathfinder
 
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
@AnneAunyme if you want a game where non-casters can shine, why would you choose anything from the 3.x family to begin with?
 
BESW
BESW
While I can't support his vitriol, I do have to concede that the d20 System shot first.
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
I agree that in general casters have more occasions to shine, but I think his continuous statements of "if you have less spell levels then you are weaker" is a bit excessive
just look at the alchemist! This class compensate for the missing spell levels with really good stuff!
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@AnneAunyme If you find that stance inaccurate, downvote and move on or post a better answer. Otherwise it's someone being wrong on the internet: they have a different stance on how things work than you, and that's OK.
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
my problem is that the rest of the answer is perfectly fine!
my answer would be basically to copy-paste his and remove the last sentence
that wouldn't really be seen as a good thing, would it?
 
BESW
BESW
11:49 AM
It's true, by RAW analysis (which is, of course, not the same as experience because RAW is not representative of any true table but is instead a Platonic concept). The d20 System maps flexibility and breadth of choice pretty directly to effective agency, and spellcasters are generally unparalleled in both breadth of choice and flexibility in accessing those choices on the fly.
I've played in games where monks were the most overpowered thing ever, but I've also seen games where anything that wasn't a spellcaster twiddled its thumbs while the big boys mopped the floor.
Classes like those in the Tome of Battle were a good start toward adjusting that balance by creating equivalent choice overlays for non-casters; but the sheer volume of spellcaster choices from expansion material was unrivaled by any other 3.5 class, and they were still the choiciest class if limited to the core books.
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
You are quoting Tome of Battle
I am talking about Pathfinder
 
BESW
BESW
[shrug] The difference being?
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
Pathfinder's martial classes are far more powerful than 3.5 ones
 
BESW
BESW
So far as I've been able to tell Pathfinder made no significant change to the choice-is-power-and-casters-have-the-choices paradigm.
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
The gunslinger have the choice to kill you during his first round, isn't that enough?
 
BESW
BESW
11:55 AM
Casters have access to martial rules, and an overlay of spellcasting rules on top. So long as martial classes are limited to modifications of the basic martial rules rather than having their own overlay of choices, the wizard/warrior differential will remain.
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
this is only the theory
in practice a caster will never do as good as a martial class
 
BESW
BESW
(See D&D 4e, which accomplished balance by doing exactly that: giving all classes access to the same level of mechanical complexity.)
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
and there are many martial classes that have a limited casting ability
 
BESW
BESW
My experience says that varies wildly by table, but generally favours the caster except at the lowest of levels.
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
My experience with talking with people is that the ones claiming that Pathfinder martial classes are useless comparing to casters are the ones who played 3.5 and never really played Pathfinder
 
BESW
BESW
11:58 AM
I certainly fall in that category, though my anecdotal learning from Pathfinder players bears out my experience in 3.5; I know KRyan is experienced with Pathfinder, though.
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
most of their arguments don't stand when you translate to Pathfinder
 
BESW
BESW
I'd like to see specific instances of how Pathfinder made non-cosmetic changes to the martial/caster paradigm; everything I've seen says that casters and martials BOTH got buffed, so it's a zero-sum effect.
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
I had a long dicussion with KRyan about the Pathfinder's Paladin and after half an hour he was still quoting me things from 3.5
they didn't get "buffed" in the same way, trust me. For example they removed a fair quantity of completely overpowered spells
 
BESW
BESW
(And no, being able to kill in the first round is not equal to having access to dozens and hundreds of choices so you can tailor your reaction to every possible circumstance.)
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
As it is, please accept that KRyan has a different perspective on class balance issues from you -- and, in fact, many others will too. There's no need for us all to agree and have a monoculture perspective.
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
12:00 PM
and for example you got Gunslinger who hit on touch AC
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
Part of the value of the site comes from a certain diversity in perspectives people bring to their answers.
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
@doppelgreener I accept it, I just don't want to see it appear where that's not the topic of the question
not presented as it is, anyway
 
BESW
BESW
@AnneAunyme Then leave a comment along the lines of "I don't see how [sentence] is part of answering the question, please edit your answer to make that clearer."
If your problem is really that he's adding extraneous things to an answer, rather than that you think he's wrong, that's how to deal with it.
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
my problem is that he's adding extraneous wrong things to his answer
if these things were right, I wouldn't care
if they were on topic, I could write a different answer
but as it is, I can't do one thing or the other
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@BESW Such an edit was requested in comments and declined. @Anne, please leave it there.
It is OK for someone to be wrong on the internet.
This isn't worth getting worked up over.
Consider that these things may be correct from a certain perspective, and incorrect from others -- and you two are coming at it from different perspectives.
You have different experiences, are invested in different communities, and have different groups and different ways of playing.
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
12:08 PM
you didn't understand the problem, I am writing a meta
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
Ok.
Please bear in mind the context that we embrace different playstyles -- this means we're also accepting of different paradigms that may disagree over issues like this.
 
BESW
BESW
It's okay to have wrong things on this site. They get downvoted.
Not everything can be correct in a site like this, and so we let the voting hivemind sort it out; it doesn't always get it right, but that's a cost I'm personally okay with if the other options are dictatorial deletion or the constant arguments that plague other RPG forums.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
Yeah, that's pretty much business as usual.
"Someone is wrong" -- ok, the userbase looks at it, upvotes or downvotes, edits or makes suggestions (some or all of which might get declined), etc. We don't even necessarily delete wrong answers, and historically once or twice we've even made a point of undeleting a horribly wrong answer because its wrongness (and the community's response to it) is instructive.
 
NautArch
NautArch
@doppelgreener can tags be put on answers or just questions?
 
BESW
BESW
@NautArch Tags describe questions.
@doppelgreener [rummages]
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Q: Is there a way to remove wrong answers?

AndrásSome questions can be answered objectively, so the answers are either right, or wrong. In this case 3 are wrong, and mine is right. The votes do not reflect this however, you have to read all answers carefully to realize this. I have downvoted all other answers, what else can I do?

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Q: How should we respond to fundamentally incorrect/bad answers?

doppelgreenerThis question exists because of this answer, and a discussion in chat that followed it. I'll get to that later. This question is about a unique category of answers on Stack Exchange: specious answers. Specious answers are incorrect and bad, yet look legitimate and good. By an incorrect/bad ans...

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Q: What is the best way to respond to an incorrect answer when a comment is not enough?

ProtonfluxI just had an answer to the question What can someone do while forced to doff armor from the heat metal spell removed, with the suggestion that it might be better as a comment. I initially started writing the response as a comment on an answer that had a significantly incorrect part to it. Howev...

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eimyr
eimyr
12:17 PM
@doppelgreener boredpanda.com/…
 
BESW
BESW
@doppelgreener I think it'd be more useful to edit or comment than to delete, on that meta answer.
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
These meta questions don't cover this case
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@BESW I could, but it's a stance I altogether no longer have. What do you recommend exactly -- amending it to say I no longer have, and leaving it undeleted?
 
BESW
BESW
@doppelgreener That'd probably be what I'd do. It's your call, of course, but I'd lean toward not deleting part of the site's meta history entirely.
(Especially given its upvotes, and Mxy's cogent response.)
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@BESW Fair point, I'll undelete.
 
BESW
BESW
12:31 PM
If it had gone unvoted and uncommented, I'd be more sanguine, but it's part of the dialog.
And I've downvoted. (Somehow, the first time around I upvoted Brian's but didn't vote on yours.)
@eimyr [looking for the Melanesian]
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@BESW Cool beans. I updated my answer to say how wrong I think it is. :D
 
NautArch
NautArch
@BESW @doppelgreener I ask because I had a possible moment of clarity last night about the RAW tag - and that it seems it applies to answers more than questions
 
BESW
BESW
@NautArch This is, indeed, part of the ongoing debate.
It's always a bit weird to see one's earlier-self arguments and opinions.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@BESW It is. My comments from a few years ago still have a bit of teenage snarky arrogant know-it-all inflection to them.
 
BESW
BESW
such young. very snark. so ego. youth.
 
NautArch
NautArch
12:46 PM
@BESW Heh. It just really seems odd to mark a question as RAW (to me).
 
BESW
BESW
Aye. It kinda is. The discussion is... complex. And fraught with history.
 
ShadowKras
ShadowKras
@BESW specific spells got nerfed, spellcasters in general are in the same spot as before. Martials got buffed significantly, but the gap between martials and casters was too big for a single revision of the rules (pathfinder).
@AnneAunyme i understand exactly how you feel. But @KRyan has a different view on game balance, based on his years of experience in 3.5. That experience is not reflected in pathfinder, so you will have to analyze his point of view with a critical mind. Afterall, pathfinder is not a PvP game.
 
The Oracle
The Oracle
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Q: What if you agree with an answer, except for one part that is not really on-topic but you find very wrong?

Anne AunymeFor the context, I am speaking about KRyan's answer to How much money can I make up with class features?. As it is I completely agree with it, except for the last sentence I find completely wrong. On top of this I don't think this sentence is essential to the answer nor that it helps the OP in a...

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eimyr
eimyr
@doppelgreener was a very snarky man. Everyone knows this. My RPG.SE friends often ask: "Is doppelgreener snarky?". That is a very good question. And believe me, I know. I know very well, I've known doppelgreener longer than anyone, longer than @BESW, longer than @trogdor, longer than any man, or dragon, possibly ever. Or dragon, I have many dragon friends. So is doppelgreener a dragon? I know I am. I'm the best dragon, I'm a tremendous lizard. Everybody says that. Thank you so much for asking.
 
NautArch
NautArch
@eimyr That is a bigly response.
 
trogdor
trogdor
12:49 PM
lol
 
eimyr
eimyr
@NautArch I never said @doppelgreener was snarky.
I should write a 200 Words RPG about making a Trump response to a question.
 
NautArch
NautArch
1:05 PM
I really do not like what Crawford said about Passive Perception floor :( dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/james-haeck-dd-writing
 
BESW
BESW
1:25 PM
Sitting at the garage this afternoon I started making notes toward a kaiju-fighting minigame.
I'm struggling with mechanical implementation, because I've got some complex inspirations from my time in 4e that I want to boil down to something that fits on a page with random generators.
 
NautArch
NautArch
@BESW minigame to what? using what mechanic?
 
Adam
Adam
@NautArch Luckily, it's well within our right to say "Not at my table! Take that JC!"
 
NautArch
NautArch
@Adam damn right. An exception to a rule that isn't actually stated is pretty annoying. And opens the door to players providing similar exception requests.
 
BESW
BESW
@NautArch Just a small game, like the 200-word RPGs but probably more like a single page.
I'm taking concepts from a 4e boss hack I learnt from @Magician, and scaling them up into primary mechanics for a focused system.
 
NautArch
NautArch
very cool. Kaiju are awesome.
I'm not that great (yet!) on coming up with mechanics on my own
 
BESW
BESW
1:36 PM
The more games I read and play, the more comfortable I am with yoinking and synthesizing mechanics to meet new needs.
 
Adam
Adam
@NautArch I think the best solution would be to devour his brain
 
NautArch
NautArch
@Adam You're so predictable.
very un-mindflayer-like
 
BESW
BESW
So I've written small games that borrow from games as diverse as Dog Eat Dog, Bubblegumshoe, A Penny For My Thoughts, and I'm a Pretty Princess.
 
Adam
Adam
@NautArch You're right, too predictable. They'd see that a mile away. Perhaps we can instead stick some sort of small parasitic organism in his head that will slowly take him over (and definitely not consume his brain)
 
NautArch
NautArch
@Adam that's the way to do it!
 
BESW
BESW
1:38 PM
Bubblegumshoe is kinda my go-to mechanical foundation for small games; it's very flexible depending on what meaning you assign the scale.
But for the kaiju game I think I need something more like I'm a Pretty Princess.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@Adam How rude.
 
kviiri
kviiri
Hi fellows, what's up?
 
NautArch
NautArch
@howdy @kviiri @Yuuki
 
Adam
Adam
@Yuuki It's not rude! Does he even make the best use of his brain? Not that we would, you know, devour it or anything. In fact he is the rude one for not just giving us his brain.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
I just find it a little bit funny how much vitriol there is towards Crawford in this room, joking or not.
Granted, I also despise EA and Ubisoft, so I guess I don't have much of a moral high ground, so to speak.
 
NautArch
NautArch
1:49 PM
@Yuuki I generally agree with his responses - this is one that just doesn't make sense to me. I think the bigger issue is WoTC have given a single dev the ability to make 'ffociial' rulings without necessarily consulting the others and going through the general process before a final publication is made.
 
Adam
Adam
In all seriousness I appreciate what he's trying to do. And I really like how active he is in offering rulings. The problem is that everybody is so caught up in using him as the word of god, rather than as a clear window into dev intent
It's kind of like when parents give their kids contradictory permission. You know "but Mom said I could use passive perception as a floor for my roll!" It gets annoying since the DM is supposed to be final arbiter, not JC
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@NautArch I mean, do we know that he isn't consulting other devs?
 
NautArch
NautArch
silly question - how do I embed a link in a comment or chat?
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@Adam I love the new avatar. :D
 
NautArch
NautArch
@Adam DM is final arbiter, but often relies on the rules to make their decision. And JC is THE RULES (now.)
 
kviiri
kviiri
1:52 PM
@Yuuki Process-wise, there is no guarantee, and I like planning for the worst-case scenarios at least! (much more sensible than planning for best-case only...)
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
I imagine that given his role in officiating the rules, he'd probably have a few of his dev friends on speed-dial or contacts list for him to call or group-text in a pinch.
 
Adam
Adam
@doppelgreener Thanks! :D
 
diego
diego
@NautArch [ text ] ( link ) (remove the spaces)
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
 
kviiri
kviiri
@doppelgreener Congrats on your success in the moderator election, by the way!
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
1:54 PM
@kviiri Thank you!
 
kviiri
kviiri
I'm just reading the results, you got quite an impressive tally :)
 
ShadowKras
ShadowKras
@NautArch silly question - how do I embed a link in a comment or chat? someone tell me too please!
 
diego
diego
@Yuuki Or when he's at work just asks whomever is at the next desk over
1 min ago, by diego
@NautArch [ text ] ( link ) (remove the spaces)
 
ShadowKras
ShadowKras
@diego you deserve a medal
 
NautArch
NautArch
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
1:56 PM
 
BESW
BESW
Can I get some eyes on this kaiju generator?
Roll 1d6 on each table.

1. HEAD
bitey teeth
breath weapon
goring horns
eyebeams
psychic
extra head (roll again twice on table 1)

2. BODY
armor
gills
gargantuan
runt
slimey
extra limbs (roll twice on table 3)

3. LIMBS
slicy claws
leaping legs
oversized sword
sticky fingers
long reach
sledgehammer fists

4. SPECIAL
wings or rockets
burrowing
sweeping tail
spikey tail
robot
mutant (roll again on table 1 or 2--your choice)
 
NautArch
NautArch
@Yuuki oldie but goodie. If only the Alderaans were watching <s>fox news</s> Empire News.
darnit, now how do i do strikethroughs?
 
BESW
BESW
@NautArch strikethrough with three dashes on either side.
 
kviiri
kviiri
@Yuuki Fifteen degrees kelvin on Wednesday sounds like a typical cold day in May.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@BESW Lack of acid spit makes me sad.
Well, I guess that falls under "breath weapon".
 
BESW
BESW
1:59 PM
@Yuuki I count spitting as a breath weapon.
 
Adam
Adam
 
Erik
Erik
@BESW I'm sure you can get some eyes on the generator; I'd put them under "HEAD" somewhere :D
 
kviiri
kviiri
Rats, Erik beat me to it.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@kviiri See, that's "15 degrees K" but the chart reads "15K degrees".
 
eimyr
eimyr
@BESW So I can be a robot with gills?
 
BESW
BESW
1:59 PM
@eimyr Yes.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@eimyr That's what vents are, no?
 
eimyr
eimyr
Why are gills there?
 
NautArch
NautArch
d20
 
Dice Service
Dice Service
12
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
4d6
 
Dice Service
Dice Service
2:00 PM
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•
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BESW
BESW
@eimyr So you can be amphibious.
 
Erik
Erik
The oversized sword, is that supposed to be a limb or a thing you have?
 
NautArch
NautArch
@Adam uhoh. I may have failed my save. You are my friend.
 
BESW
BESW
@Erik Yes.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
Bitey teeth + Gargantuan + Slicy Claws + Burrowing.
... I'm Mega Sandslash?
 
eimyr
eimyr
2:01 PM
@BESW So a robot without gills is not amphibious? Sorry, I though seaworthiness comes with the package.
 
ShadowKras
ShadowKras
Lamentations of the Flame Princess has a nice generator for weird creatures, in the form of the Summon Monster spell.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
(Or I'm the tarrasque?)
 
NautArch
NautArch
strikethrough test
ah!
 
ShadowKras
ShadowKras
There is even a monster generator (note, it's a first level spell).
And that, is the single best rule in the system.
 
BESW
BESW
I'm focused on kaiju concepts.
It's for a kaiju fighting game.
 
Erik
Erik
2:04 PM
Looks like a decent generator for parts. I feel it might help to have an origin or basic shape or something. As a starting point.
 
kviiri
kviiri
Should it have a point of origin or something? Like does it come from the sea, or the Moon, or spawned in a freak lab accident?
 
Erik
Erik
Unless the goal is to have players fill that in themselves
Hah, beat you again @kviiri :D
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
@kviiri Why not all three?
 
BESW
BESW
The idea is that instead of hit points or stress, your features like HEAD and LIMBS are also your consequence slots: attacking a kaiju involves a called shot against part of their body, and a successful attack removes the kaiju's ability to use that part's feature.
 
kviiri
kviiri
@Erik Speed was never my best virtue.
 
BESW
BESW
2:05 PM
Clearly these kaiju come from a lab on the floor of the lunar ocean.
 
kviiri
kviiri
Or a lab on Mare Imbrium?
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@BESW space kaiju lab on the dark side of the moon
 
NautArch
NautArch
@BESW What about a special ability to regrow a limb? Or an effect up on limb destruction?
 
BESW
BESW
Hmm. [crosses out "gills," writes in "regeneration"]
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
why not both?
 
BESW
BESW
2:08 PM
Because gills are too passive.
And each list needs exactly 6.
 
Erik
Erik
And attacking them is either useless or instagib I imagine.
 
RollingFeles
RollingFeles
@BESW I misread it as "girls" D:
 
NautArch
NautArch
@BESW you can just have the general assumption they can survive any environment
 
Erik
Erik
Isn't armor also kinda passive btw?
 
BESW
BESW
> regeneration (first time you lose a part, roll on that part's table to grow a new one)
Armor's passive, but useful and tropey.
I haven't put together the mechanics to drive the fights yet, so a lot of the actual effects are still vague.
 
Erik
Erik
2:11 PM
And isn't Runt strictly a negative trait? Or does it mean something else than I'm thinking?
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@BESW body: spikes. special: tiny, deployable parasites / immune system.
 
NautArch
NautArch
@BESW what does runt do? Maybe replace that with a limb loss effect - and give the regen either a reroll if it lands on it?
 
BESW
BESW
@Erik I'm thinking hidey/sneaky/quicker.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
With that second one, I'm thinking The Cloverfield Monster as well as SIN from Final Fantasy X. (Whenever SIN arrived in a location, it would fire off "scales" from its body that hatched open into creatures.)
 
Erik
Erik
Wouldn't some of those words be better, then? "Runt" pretty much means "the weakest"
 
BESW
BESW
2:13 PM
Hrmmm.
My concept's shifting fast.
I think I need to re-read DPPE.
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
Other special stuff, maybe disposition:
- radiates searing heat
- radiates biting cold
- actively aggressive
- viciously self-defensive
- visibly dying, but not before everything else nearby
- territorial
 
BESW
BESW
But right now I need sleep. Will read these ideas in the morning!
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
Goodnight! Sleep well. :)
Was a pleasure to see you again (for a whole morning, even, this time, instead of me coming online around midnight your time!)
 
kviiri
kviiri
Rapid multiplication? Maybe detached parts of the monster could form semi-autonomous miniatures of it?
 
Erik
Erik
I'm reading this and wondering how long until it's basically Mutants&Masterminds :P
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
2:17 PM
The first rule of RAW club is don't talk about or clarify RAW club!
I hope that meta is more or less settled for now.
 
NautArch
NautArch
@MadMAxJr heck no, it isn't! I had said earlier today that a RAW tag seems better fit for an answer than a question. But that's not possible, so...
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
2:32 PM
@Erik Kaiju & Karate
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
Why does a Player's Guide have 4 parts?
 
NautArch
NautArch
@Yuuki huh?
or if this is a joke...Why?
 
LegendaryDude
LegendaryDude
@NautArch It's in response to the chat feed
> ZEITGEIST 5E Player's Guide (Part Four: Risur & Ber)
@Yuuki Probably to make it easier to publish. You don't have to deliver one monolithic guide to your setting so you can focus more on each part.
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
Pathfinder Bestiary 6 has a strange assortment of creatures. As absurd as CR 30 creatures are, they do make a fun read.
 
LegendaryDude
LegendaryDude
@Yuuki Part 4 appears to focus just on the nations of Risur & Ber. There's probably a lot of content for the setting and they didn't want to wait for all of it to be complete before releasing it.
 
Yuuki
Yuuki
2:42 PM
Ah, so it's a guide to a setting.
I thought it was something more like the PHB, in which case I feel like a 4-part series would be somewhat counterproductive.
 
ShadowKras
ShadowKras
@Yuuki perhaps you should look at the first one.
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
Suddenly I see this as a Monty Python sketch. "How to identify classes. Lesson 1: The Fighter"
 
ShadowKras
ShadowKras
It is available for free at paizo.com (for pathfinder).
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
“The story so far:
In the beginning the Core Rulebook was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.”
 
Erik
Erik
Skipping from Monty Python directly to the Hitchhiker's Guide?
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
2:54 PM
The latter mostly because the RAW discussion still agitates me a little.
 
NautArch
NautArch
@MadMAxJr I agree.
 
ShadowKras
ShadowKras
One does not simply discuss about raw.
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
I haven't seen them in over a decade, but I had a player who disregarded my preference for RAW settlements by declaring my table had stopped being a game and started being a courtroom full of lawyers. To be fair my small group of orc lawyers are very interested in clarifying how the large fighter using a spiked chain is able to use whirlwind attack to disarm or trip everything within 15 feet of him. They're willing to settle out of court.
 
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