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@Chemus cc @Thyzer A Vorlesung is the German word for university lectures and/or the "course" these lectures belong to. So this thing being called a Vorlesung can just mean that you will be credited for it as if it were a lecture course you attend, but it may well be more of an "ordinary" classroom experience
I've had Vorlesungen that really went more like a classic school lesson, particularly when they involved language or practical things like working on a specific program
@Thyzer Well, reading books will often get you greater vocabulary, grammar and spelling.
@ACuriousMind I have one with about 400 listeners, and the english one will have about 30.
@ACuriousMind Great, that's pretty clear to me.
@Chemus I liked the english books especially made for school usage (new vocabulary was translated at the bottom of the page)... But friends of mine had to read "Much Ado About Nothing" (?) and there was no vocabulary help... disturbed the reading experience heavily.
Question, what happens if you lose your arcane/divine focus after casting a spell with a duration time like Spiritual Weapon?
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@Thyzer Yeah, Shakespeare is not anything like any modern english. Native really trip up over it too; you have to learn its language separately.
I didn't like any of the English novels/screenplays we read in school. I think I started actually reading English novels with Pratchett since I wanted to enjoy the puns in the original
@Yuuki Which edition? That could be a Q to ask on the site too :)
@Chemus 5e.
@Yuuki you only have to have it to fulfill the casting requirements, after that you do not need it anymore (5e)
My proficiency with English comes largely from reading, both massive quantities of functional but not showy English and smaller amounts of very elevated and eloquent English.
Variety was probably the primary key for me.
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@ACuriousMind a friend of mine LOVES Pratchett, but she reads it in german. She actually offered me to read them out loud while I play videogames, because I didnt want to read them by myself :D
@Thyzer Heh, how would you concentrate on both the game and the story being read to you? And the translations are very well done, but they still lose a bit, of course.
@BESW since I am at university the only books I read are those from the professors... when I am finished learning I do not have the desire to read more...
Depends on the kind of game, @ACuriousMind, I could rather easily play Path of Exile while listening to a book, but not League of legends.
@ACuriousMind depends on the game, when I play binding of isaac that should be no problem. But for a story heavy game it looks different
@Thyzer Try one in english, if you have the time.
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Path of Exile <3
@godskook Waiting for the new acts :)
Legacy league has been awesome so far.
@godskook You're way better at PoE than me then, the task of "not dying" takes all the attention I have (at higher levels) ;P
I'm about ready to protest if that mechanic doesn't hit the prime game like prophecy did.
Well, very much depends on what kind of build you're doing and how well optimized it is.
@Chemus they have to be good if there is someone who wants you to read it so bad, that she offers to read it for you :P
And how much of a speed-runner you are versus how safe you're willing to play.
@Thyzer, quality of the book's writing is not the most likely factor at play there.
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@Thyzer Exactly.
Just saying.
@BESW yeah pretty much all of mine comes from my strong desire to read books, sci fi, fantasy, fiction, and historical books contain a certain fun variety of language I think
@godskook That's obviously not pointed at me, but consider when someone gets excited about a thing they often like to share that thing.
@Thyzer They are good. My mode of sharing is to offer to lend them to people instead of reading them aloud, though :P
Thus far I have about half a dozen converts, I think
@Chemus, Its true that people share what they enjoy, but level of effort is generally a factor for almost all non-autistic people I know. Outside extenuating circumstances, this effort/reward ratio is usually too high.
Or low.....
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My friends gave me so much reading recommendations... and every single one is a whole series with dozens of books... Like "The Malazan Book of the Fallen" which is (regarding to my friend) "Game of Thrones in good"
@godskook True 'nuff
I get ratio "high" and "low" mixed up.
@ACuriousMind I have only gotten my hands on one of his books so far, but I did really like it
Admittedly, an autistic person like me is abnormally ignorant of effort when sharing stuff they enjoy, but that's rare in men, and RARER in women.
@godskook how do you mean this exactly?
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"this"?
ignorant of effort of other people or?
@godskook as someone with autism myself, I am wondering what exactly you are describing
that is all
@trogdor My favourite storyline is probably Commander Vimes (his name is Mumm in German) and the city watch, but there's not a single one I dislike (though I think the first few books are weaker than the rest)
I mean as an Autistic, I'll blindly spend HOURS sharing something I love with people because most of the time, I don't even get moments to do so.
@Thyzer I think it's the Sequel effect: Author's book sells well, author writes more of those. Readers get attached to characters/world, readers read more of those books.
Usually, effort isn't a relevant factor for me as much as opportunity.
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@godskook fair enough, I catch myself doing things such as that sometimes too
though to be fair, it usually takes really liking a person to share that much, for me
and even then, I usually stop myself due to embarrassment
Mostly an initiation thing, though?
partly
initiation with people I don't know is definitely hard
I swear, playing pvp games was the biggest help to me on that front.
(gitting gud at them)
in point of fact, I usually ignore other people unless they initiate with me because of it
@trogdor when I talk with my best friend about the most recent critical role session I often ask inbetween if I am talking too much
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@Thyzer for me it is less if other people want me to stop talking, as if I want me to stop talking
maybe relevant: this friend does not watch critical role
I favor talking someones ear off than sitting at a silent table
@godskook I used to play those more, and I would do it either silently or through text chat rather than speaking
But were you ever GOOD at one?
@godskook Halo yeah
@Thyzer What's 'Critical role' here?
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though in that it was usually with freinds in the same room
@Chemus a weekly live stream with voice actors playing D&D 5e ... starts at 4am in germany ...
When I say "good", I mean ranked against other players who are also gitting gud.
Rather than being the best person in a random group of friends.
@Thyzer Where in Germany are you, if you don't mind my asking (I'm in Heidelberg)?
@Thyzer Aha, Thanks
@godskook then I never bothered to do that
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@ACuriousMind I live and study in Münster
BBL
For instance, my experience was in League of Legends. Got as high as Plat.
@godskook ah, I didn't think many people like, audibly spoke in that
@Chemus I've invested about 300 hours in this show... and I would say its my favorite show to watch... even above game of thrones, hannibal, walking dead etc.
@Thyzer Ah, beautiful city, if a bit overrun by bicycles ;)
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mostly text chat in my experience
@ACuriousMind a bit? There are more bicycles than people here, it's ridiculous.
Its not the actual speaking part that I learned there. It gave me a much much better understanding about how the world worked at a practical level.
Stuff I missed growing up a pudgy autist who liked creating my own fantasy world.
@trogdor With online competitive gaming, the higher up you get, the more people use voice chat - because voice chat gives a team a palpable advantage.
Yeah, there's that too.
@Miniman quite
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@Miniman fair enough there, I never bothered to try to climb rank in LoL
in "things your starfarers should be able to do": pulsar navigation
Giantitp's league thread has a semi-official mumble server that I've practically lived on.
^^ about 40-45mins in is when they start talking about the navigation components, but the science is pretty crazy too
Although I'm not sure its as active as it once was.
@trogdor Me neither, actually - I was still in Silver when I quit LoL.
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@Thyzer Well, Heidelberg is a bit better, but not much, bicycles everywhere and yet car traffic still regularly congests. City is pretty, though
@Miniman I think I just barely got to silver or something when I stopped playing
the community was a little too toxic even at that level
@trogdor Yeah, I hear you there.
@trogdor, did you play on the giantitp mumble server?
And if so, do you remember a Bethor Kookalian?
@godskook nope and nope
Gotcha gotcha.
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as I mentioned, I did not do much audible conversation with random people online
still don't technically XD
Also, honestly, that's the point of playing it HARD is learning how to deal with other people's shittiness while simultaneously learnign what is or isn't other people's shittiness.
I have very little trouble typing out what I want to say though
~most~ people have a hard time distinguishing their own shittiness from other people's.
@ACuriousMind I was a bit overwhelmed, coming from a 1000 inhabitants village with at most 200KBps internet into this city... people every where, everytime... with the right connections there is a group activity almost every day... I love it... especially the 15MBps internet.
@godskook I would argue that the point of playing it (like most games) is to have fun.
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@Miniman, #loadedWords
"Fun" is not the word I'd evoke first when talking about the point of playing League, any other pvp game or Dark Souls. Not in the usual sense. "Git Gud" is probably a more accurate first order "point"
@Thyzer Oh, wow, I can't imagine what that's like. I'm originally from Wuppertal, about as big as Münster, so I don't know what's it like not to live in a city
@godskook I get that it's like that for some people, and if it works for you, great.
Me, I play games for fun.
@godskook Well, but in the end the point is that you enjoy/have fun "getting good", no?
@ACuriousMind, "fun" as the point is contrary to "getting good". It can't be any more than a side effect, or else it gets in the way.
@Miniman, I'm not saying you can't play "any" games for fun. Just saying that "for fun" is a screw, and League of Legends is a hammer. Its a bad tool for that job.
@Miniman I would say the point is to "enjoy" it. I would not say that some (emotional heavy) games or fighting a hard boss 10 times in Dark Souls is 'fun', but the feeling after beating it is very enjoyable.
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@Thyzer That's fair - although I do enjoy fighting hard bosses in Dark Souls repeatedly. The way Dark Souls makes improvement of your skills palpable is one of its biggest selling points for me.
@Miniman I enjoy it too, but I its more a feeling of accomplishment than fun, at least for me.
@Miniman same
sometimes I get good at them incidentally
like Skullgirls, I play so much against one level of conputer that I keep beating it too easily and move up to the next level
@godskook I suspect the prevalence of this approach to gaming is one of the reasons LoL is known for having a toxic community.
@godskook I agree with you if only because of the comunity the game is now stuck having
I....honestly don't find most of the community to be that bad. There's also the interesting fact most of the issues in that game don't come from genuinely "toxic" people, like you'd expect.
Most of the toxicity is anger-propogation through community members who are generally and genuinely non-toxic people.
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whether that is true or not, there are people playing that game just to have fun, who then run into people yelling at them for dying one too many times
Thing is, that's often the same people on different days of the week or w/e.
I'm not trying to say they are horrible people for it, but the action they currently take at that time can be considered "toxic" especially proliferated on the level that it is
@godskook can be, but that still leaks the toxicity into the community
all that tells me is that there is a bit of a feedback loop
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