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19:00
they're all sword-based :(
@NautArch I too am annoyed at the dearth of giant friggin' hammers.
#maulsmatter
#maulsplatter
@Yuuki I've become enamored with my maul and whenever I've had to switch to my greatsword my combat descriptions aren't nearly as fun
I just like wearing Goggles of Nail Sight.
@NautArch What causes you to switch weapons?
(Also, it doesn't help that I always felt that Arthas was cooler with his paladin's maul than he is with Frostmourne. Even though Frostmourne is pretty cool)
19:03
@Adam critical fumbles breaking my maul :/
@NautArch :(
or throwing it a long distance
Also, why are critical fumbles breaking your maul?
@NautArch That sucks! I hope it's a cheap repair
@Adam Yeah, the DM has been fairly kind aobut just needing to find someone with "mend"
19:04
@Adam Just got to take a few seconds with a whetstone to sharpen your blunt hammer head.
I hope that you can eventually find a magic or adamantine one so that wont happen
I wish 5e had something better for adamantine weapons. I like the idea of having more materials that stuff could be made out of
I would personally like for my maul to be made out of superglue.
@Adam It is magical. Got it when I joined the table. It was a homebrew item, I think.
19:07
Just enchant it with flaming and then on hit, I can make a grapple check with the enemy.
Sharpening a hammer isn't normal. But on Monster Hunter it is.
+1, extra d6 on crit, and if an ally is within 10' and is bloodied, i can drop an extra d8 of damage 1/encounter or d10 on a crit.
I've seen a few 5e homebrew monsters that make me want to run a Monster Hunter campaign.
Interesting. Consensus in my games is that magic items are especially resilient to damage.
@Adam Yeah, it's funny. After my latest crit fumble into a 100' drop, he said my +1 plate was absolutely fine. But the contents of my backpack...
I think I've seen the doodles and dragons thing before, but I forget where
Maybe the Monster Hunter subreddit?
what is this from? I do not know MOnster Hunter...
Monster Hunter is an action game where you play as a hunter that hunts giant monsters. Monsters hunted can be harvested and their parts used to make armor and weapons.
19:12
What's appealing about it to a lot of people is that the entire game is essentially a boss rush. Instead of having to fight tons of mooks in between big setpiece boss fights like normal action games, you embark on quests that pit you against a particular boss-like monster.
@Adam I'lll try use that next time...in the voice of The Scotsman. I also love Genndy Tartovsky
With varied weapons (each with their own style) and a very large selection of monsters (each with their own different attacks and combat styles), it can keep you entertained for a surprising amount of time.
@Yuuki and I guess these monsters are from it? Has anyone playtested them?
@NautArch I don't know if anyone's playtested them, but I tried adapting some to a PF one-shot.
@Yuuki they look amazing
19:17
I want to customize it a bit further and introduce a parts system since that features heavily in Monster Hunter.
You break parts of monsters like their claws, horns, etc. You can cut off tails. Breaking off a part affects how the monster fights.
oooooh
Like breaking the fist coverings of a Brachydios means its explosive slime coating wears off a lot faster.
And so it has to take time to lick its fists to reapply the slime coating.
Cutting tails obviously means that a tail swipe attack has less range.
how do you handle targeting?
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out.
I know 5e players aren't used to targeting as an actual mechanic so I want to figure out a way of doing that without explicitly telling them that they're able to do it or what breaking a part does.
@Yuuki If you describe the weak points of a monster vividly, and can coax descriptive attacks from your players, they will start choosing to attack the areas that you've described as vulnerable based only on description. then you can apply the mechanical effect and they don't even have to know that targeting a specific area is a mechanical choice
19:27
@Yuuki does 5e even have a targeting mechanic?
it does not out of the box
@Adam that's what I thought
I wonder if it'll work with strong points too. Like there's a monster with a sword tail. If you damage the tail enough to break it, it hurts less when it hits and the burning effect it can apply wears off more quickly.
5e tends to have the opposite problem sometimes. it doesn't have a targeting mechanic, but players LIKE to target things
@Yuuki Alternatively, you can divide a monster's health pool into different thresholds, and when the monster dips below that threshold, you describe that the monster has taken some damage and apply some mechanical effect based on that. This way, you don't rely on the players to call any shots, but the fight is still dynamic. Though this does end up with a more scripted progression. If you only fight that monster once though, they will never know that it was following a script
For example "after the monster loses 25% of it's hp, it suffers a severe leg injury, so it moves at half speed and has disadvantage on its stomp attack"
19:31
@Adam Hmm... I could start off doing that and as they notice mechanical effects happening as certain parts are damaged, they might target parts specifically and I can move to a more well-defined parts system.
or something along those lines
Exactly!
@Magician Yes.
Do an either-or thing.
At 25% HP or when tail is targeted, this happens.
At 50% HP or something else is targeted, something else happens.
That way, you build in the flex.
19:47
@godskook although that opens up targeting as an all-the-time option. Unless you say it's for certain monsters only.
offtopic question: let's say you reached out to a potential employee that looked interesting and offered them an interview for a customer-facing position. They respond with a massive typo.
Send them a fifth grade English worksheet.
@Yuuki HA! it's worse...they skipped an entire word.
@NautArch MadLibs.
But in all seriousness, I do that all the time.
@Yuuki in responses to a job you're trying to get? Do they ignore it?
Oh, I think I avoid doing so in job e-mails. I try to proofread, but I A) don't know if I've sent any typo-d job emails because 2) if I have, no one's called me on it.
19:54
@NautArch only on monsters you're wanting to encourage this on anyway.
Email etiquette is... variable across contexts. I work with people whose attitude toward email runs the gamut from "craft it carefully as a hand-written love note" to "dash off a single-word response to a complex issue."
"dash off a single-word response to a complex issue, in Comic Sans" - me
@NautArch So, what's the question?
@BESW I agree, but it seems like when you're applying for a job that involves emailing/talking to customers, one should really do a better job proofreading.
@BESW Question is do I still bring this person in to interview, or do I ghost/email them saying plans have changed/tell them their mistake and cut loose/etc?
@NautArch I agree, but I know employers who wouldn't care--and might not even notice.
19:58
Question is this, do you want someone who makes zero typos or someone who responds well under pressure?
@BESW I am not that employer :) Especially since communicating with my customers via email is something we do. If you can't proof the email you send when trying to get the job, I don't have a lot of faith you'll do so when doing the job.
If the former, trash the typo-fiend.
If the latter, turn up the heat and see what happens.
@NautArch I'd say it probably depends on the rest of the context. Are they otherwise promising? Do you have enough candidates you can afford to be picky?
Like....everyone makes mistakes.
@BESW yeah, I've got other candidates that look better.
19:59
That's inevitable.
I think its more important, personally, to find people who respond well to having pressure put on their performance.
@godskook True, but this is the first impression with a skill that you'll need to have. Maybe this is old-man me talking.
If you're drowning in candidates, then this is a decent way to whittle down your list.
@godskook yes, it's one mistake, but it's also their first interaction with me. I guess I feel that if they can't represent themselves, how are they going to represent me?
Well, what do you think the odds are that the perfect candidate would make this mistake at least on -one- of their job applications?
You're totally justified to be picky in this case.
I'm just splitting hairs between two types of picky.
If the candidate would've been in your top list otherwise, consider bringing them in and seeing what happens.
20:01
@godskook Pretty slim. I think someone who is trying to promote themselves would be pretty careful about their first impressions. My applicant pool isn't great where I am, but I also can't have someone that's sloppy enough to leave out an entire word.
Does slim mean 1%?
I may just respond with a "thank you, but we're trying to work out scheduling and will reach back out when we're ready.'
Or .001%?
We put the ad out a couple days ago, and I had 4 that I immediately liked. They were one of those 4 (total of 12 candidates, with 5 maybes)
What kind of company are you and what kind of position is this?
20:06
Prophylactic manufacturing. Quality assurance.
@NautArch Is it a job where they need to be editing/proofreading things? I know I have issues where I tend to autocorrect mistakes in any writing (especially things I wrote so I 'know' what it says). It is possible that they do the same thing, and didn't notice they a word even though they triple checked it.
@diego It's a job where they're often emailing customers, handling complaints, processing orders. It's basically the face of my company (which sells a medical supply).
@godskook it's a Customer Service position (handling orders, customer problems, etc.)
I'm ill-experienced at high-level professionalism, but as a customer and as someone who's worked in fast food for years, my experience with customer service suggests that typos are practically irrelevant.
'Course, I say that knowing full well that other customers are highly judgemental about such things, anecdotally.
Idk, I might be a bad person to reference on this one.
@NautArch In that case I can understand why you would consider not interviewing them. Though if you do I would tell them that you changed your mind and why.
(I -am- an Aperger's guy, so I'm definitely not representative of 'normal' personally)
20:11
I would not do anything that would make them think that you are planning on getting back to them later when you have no intention of doing that.
@diego that's kind of where I was going. I'm just not sure about being 'harsh'. But it's also a learning experience for them. I dunno, I think I need to consider it more.
@diego And I also don't want to cut someone loose for a mistake. Maybe I bring them and use that as a starting point for a question.
D
huh
anywho...
@NautArch That is an option too. If you can I would also talk to someone else in the company and see if they think it is a big deal or not.
in Dice roller & formatting tests playground, Sep 1 '14 at 0:57, by doppelgreener
The roller supports: d4, d6, d8, d10, d12, d20. You can roll up to four sets of XdY using one of those dice, where X is up to 9. X defaults to 1, Y defaults to 6.
20:13
Yeah, someone else also agrees that it's a bad sign.
I'd personally be disinclined to consider it worth cutting them off entirely unless I was desperate for reasons to cut down my interviews. But I'd also not lie to them about the situation.
@BESW I don't think it'll kill me to bring them in for a 30 minute interview and give them a chance - but bring up the typo/awareness issue
That sounds solid from here.
@NautArch how bad a typo are we talking here?
@DForck42 missed a word. "Thank you for taking the time to at my resume"
first sentence
20:29
@NautArch heh, yeah if they were in a hurry to send it out I can see missing that
outlook doesn't pick it up, and it's easy to miss
imho it's not that big a deal
jeebus you all write some long election campaigns
especially if everything on their resume actually looks good
whats this Resume talk about? I've been paid to help people before. Point me at the start of the conversation and Ill give my input
tbh, if I accidentally a word in my resume email and I got chastised for it in an interview, I probably wouldn't want to work for/with that person. it comes off as petty and overly scrupulous
@DForck42 Har, I see what you there
20:32
just like I don't want to work for a place that automatically cuts me because my resume is on two pages
it's two pages cause I deemed that I have enough info to warrant it. if you don't like that, then GFY i'll find a different company that's less petty and actually wants to look at me
@Zachiel :-D
45 mins ago, by NautArch
offtopic question: let's say you reached out to a potential employee that looked interesting and offered them an interview for a customer-facing position. They respond with a massive typo.
@DForck42 And I'm tough with things like that - both because I put importance in business writing and that I have a high standard for how I want people to view my company/brand.
the one page resume has always been a stickler when i WRITE mine, but it's not a non-starter when I"m looking. More of a eye-roller for me, but that's it.
the questionnaires here are roughly 2.5x the length of the ones we did on GraphicDesign.SE. Mine was 1001 words, 5570 characters. @nitsua60 wrote 2535 words adding up to 14130 characters and that appears to be about average length o.O
@NautArch just listing my last 3 jobs with responsibilities and my education takes a full page with a readable font...
@BESW ah thought it was about writing a resume. Yeah I would cut them loose @NautArch - if they can't proof their letter to even pretend to care now and you have more candidates.. good riddance.
20:38
@Ryan lol, yeah they're a bit wordy on here
I predict based on no evidence that the average answer length here exceeds the average answer length on GraphicDesign.SE by approximately the same ratio.
@Ryan I guess I'm just a bit more forgiving and willing to give people a chance, cause to me it seems ridiculous to cut a person because of ONE typo... especially one that doesn't get picked up by auto correct and is pretty easy to miss
@Ryan That was my initial thought, but I do think it's worth bringing them in. I can raise the issue and my concern and give them a chance to react. It's a little of my time, and I think it's a good chance to teach them something.
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Q: Why are answers so verbose?

Ansis MāliņšI come from StackOverflow and I see that the answering style here is very different. Even simple yes/no questions get answers with multiple headings and paragraphs. What happened? Was this a conscious decision? Do I risk being downvoted for short yet complete answers?

@DForck42 I see both points (I was more on @Ryan reaction initially). It's not the end of the world, if she doesn't want to work here because I brought it up, that's fine. But she should at least get an opportunity based on why I reached out initially and hear why I was concerned.
20:47
@DForck42 In a sense you're not cutting them because of one typo. You're cutting them because you have other candidates that showed greater care.
@DForck42 but aout the one-pager. I've had a lot of very different jobs, but I'm a believer in the 2nd page is for published works only (damn you, academia!) And now that i'm on the other side, if it's hard for me to quickly scan a resume to get the gist of someone's experience and background then I'm not as likely going to bring them in. I'll ask the questions to give them a chance to further expound on their experience, but I just want the teasers to get me interested.
I treat resumes like I do presentations. The slides shouldn't be what I'm saying - they should support what I say. The resume shouldn't be my interview, it should be the hook and support the story I am telling about why you should hire me.
@Ryan that, I can understand. if there were a bountiful number of apps and you need to cut somewhere, it's a place to start
@BESW I'm a little disappointed that the highly voted answers to that aren't super long.
Its like on a cooking competition. You have these great chefs but one of them has to go. Then every so often they'll be like you know what - you were the worst but we're going to let you through anyways! And all the other candidates are like, "well this sucks"
@NautArch yeah, the real problem tbh is that EVERY HR person is looking at resumes differently
some want a short, no-frills resume, others want all the deets
20:49
@DForck42 I will say that for my experienced positions (like customer service), if you don't write a cover letter, which we ask for, I'm not even looking at your resume.
it's a balancing act, and I've decided for the jobs I'm applying for (developer positions) I want the info that I've got
@NautArch true. my fiancée helps me write my cover letters cause I'm terrible at them
@DForck42 I've been a part of hiring developers, but I'm not a developer. I trusted the others developers in the company to review their ability and I'd look more at personality, work approach style, and cultural fit.
I'm also a believer that if you've done no research on my company before you come in, you ain't getting the jo.
*job
I built a pretty nice career for myself thanks to my attention to detail. I write and design advertisements and marketing collateral for a living. There's no Spellchecker that's going to save me if I do a 10,000 print run with a glaring typo in it.
or the jo. Jo is special.
Heck look at Amazon's recent blunder. The period that took down the internet.
20:53
@NautArch yeah.. sometimes what sucks though is when the only material out there for a company is their marketing
like, that's fine, but I want to know REAL stuff about the company, not what their marketers have out there
@Ryan yeah, they f***ed that up pretty hard
@NautArch OOORRRR, when they've got marketing over 20 different pages with no cohesive vision... sigh...
@DForck42 Ha...yeah. That's not us, though :)
or, when the marketing is super vague cause they don't really know what the company does. I've run into that as well
wth - what does -5 "user was removed" mean?!
nm, read the info on it. bummer.
my marketing is awesome other than being repetitive and often uninspiring design
sadly that's how it often goes in the "real world"
@Ryan time to find a new agency
21:07
@NautArch there's been a lot of accounts being generated to create spam on the network
i know we've removed upwards of 5 accounts so far on movies
I'd be tempted to show you the marketing material of my company but apart from the marketing employee posting on facebook the photos of all company dinners (what for? Self-celebration and looking for the platitude of our direct clients?) I really have no idea if I should.
@Zachiel is it public marketing material?
@DForck42 It is. I'm just not sure I should link it for this express purpose.
I'm also not sure I -want- to link
@NautArch I don't work for an agency. I'm the Director of Marketing for a manufacturing company.
@Ryan I'm not going to apologize for putting my thoughts out there; rather, I'll thank people for reading them.
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21:22
@nitsua60 hmm? I wasn't saying it to single you out or offend you since it seems I did. I just found it impressive the contrast. Since joining RPG.SE I really like how much longer and well written everything is and have brought it up in the Graphic Design chat to see how we can be more like this community
Yolo, Zachiel, Yolo
@godskook slowly and boringly, bot only once. Isn't this terrible? Yes. Isn't the alternative worse? Oh, a lot.
@Zachiel k
21:37
@ryan ah. That can be limiting, too. I try and give a lot of latitude to my design and marketing team.
21:51
@Ryan Part of the problem with the questionnaire is that some the questions were not concise, nor particularly well formed. In true SE form, a poor question attracts answers of variable length and / or quality. The other part is that good liposuction takes a bit more effort. I already do that in my day job.
Idk, I've never met anyone who's tried the alternative.
I'm not prepared to speak to how that is.
I'll get back to you on it.
@Zachiel
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Q: If the linked question from an as duplicate marked 'Player' question answers the 'DM' perspective, is it still a duplicate?

ThyzerThis question was marked as duplicate and at first "I failed to open a lock. Now what?" was the only linked 'duplicate' question. Taking a look at its answers I found that most of them, while still talking about the same issue, would not be helpful for the questioner from the new question becaus...

22:11
A bandit chief just one shot me at level 3 :'(
@Ryan alternate: bandit chef
@doppelgreener he one salted me
nice. :D
@Ryan what was said bandit chief wielding?
@Shalvenay 2 handed axe
22:21
ah
i had oakflesh going too, and im in heavy armor, with a shield
@Ryan you mean barkskin?
@Shalvenay im playing Skyrim at the moment :)
oh :)
@KorvinStarmast In an election questionnaire, open-ended questions are a deliberate feature. They're not on main where we're looking for right answers; they are written to elicit thoughtful answers that reflect how that candidate thinks. What counts as well-formed is entirely different, when the purpose is different.
22:30
@SevenSidedDie I am aware that there is a different purpose, but I retain my position that a number of them are badly written As A Questionnaire. As I said, if this is the best the hive mind can do, well, we can do better. And if this is general SE/SO form, well, it's a place where SE/SO falls down.
@KorvinStarmast I just entirely fail to see the relationship to anything outside the questionnaire.
@SevenSidedDie Your point seemed to be excusing a poorly presented questionnaire. I may have misunderstood your point.
@KorvinStarmast I disputed the assertion that it's poorly presented.
@SevenSidedDie Then you and I have different standards about quality on a questionnaire.
@KorvinStarmast There are many different kinds of questionnaires. If this was a statistical survey, they'd be bad questions. But what they are actually is Rorschach blots in word form. They are actually pretty brilliant at their job.
The responses so far have been very informative.
22:35
"Brilliant at their job." Sorry, no.
We differ then. My view on them remains unshaken, seeing as how well they have served SE for years, and how meaty and practical the results in this and past RPG elections have been. They suit the needs of the site ideally. In my view.
@SevenSidedDie
Hmm, I am looking back at the C.SE MEta page and can't find the Questionnaire for that one, which I didn't much care for either, but at least I recall it as having fewer questions, and not so many three and four part questions.
I like them, I think they work, and the only way I could get useful responses to the multi-part question I proposed is if all the parts were asked together and treated as the same inquiry.
This was part of my comments in response to your original draft, though since you feel differently and that is OK, I left that as is.
Aha, I found the C.SE one it did have some multi part as well. Caleb basically baited me into running, so I went along for the ride. I was surprised to get any votes at all.
"After 7 days, the top 30 nominees, ordered by reputation, advance to the primary phase." - Why not by candidate score? (sorry to throw this in-between, but I just saw it)
22:46
@THyzer Do you think we'll have 30 nominees?
I stumbled into the likes of dopplegreener, d7, and Korvin, all at once. Never mind, I'm not worthy.
@Thyzer I'm not sure why.
@Thyzer To quote Fiddle on the Roof: TRADITION!
@KorvinStarmast not really, but I am still wondering why
@Thyzer Candidate score is pretty new and is just cosmetic. The election process has been around longer, so it couldn't use score then, and they haven't seen a good reason to revise the logic.
22:48
@Papayaman1000 I put my pants on, one sleeve at a time, just like most guys do. :p
hey there @Papayaman1000
(not sure why the :xxxx response thing is broken)
@SevenSidedDie You accidentally'd a number.
22:49
The 9 is gone from the end
@Karelzarath Weeeird. That was generated by clicking the arrow, so I'm not even sure how that was possible. o.o
@SevenSidedDie I blame another mod candidate trying to make you look bad.
[shifty eyes]
@Karelzarath Must be. Will have to watch for a coup come May.
22:56
Why do chicken coops have two doors? Because if they had four doors, they'd be chicken sedans.
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Failed my save versus groan.
dodges
22:57
Teslas
First car I remember traveling in was a 1963 Buick Special, 4 door, Sedan. Green
Mmm... Teslas.
Recently went to a vintage car show and saw a 1964, but two door convertible. So dad coulda got one of those, but he had to go with the family car. 3 kids, which soon turned into 4.
hey there @IlmariKaronen
hi Shalvenay
23:06
how're things going?
mmh, same as ever... :/
@IlmariKaronen Hey! There was an anydice question you didn't answer, so I made you answer anyway :P
I noticed. :) Got some upvotes for my answer from it. Thanks. :)
@IlmariKaronen You're welcome! I'm always happy to steal stuff rather than trying to write it myself leverage the expertise of others in order to provide the best possible answer.
Plagiarism is the highest form of flattery
23:17
hey there @NautArch
Howdy @Shalvenay
alright here, as for you?
All good?
Hah
All is shiny
23:44
hey again @Papayaman1000
@Shalvenay Hi.
how're things going?
Current frustrations: Saving a bunch of JavaScript objects locally, functions and all, so they may be recalled at a later date by the user.
So fun, but I wouldn't recommend it.
heheh
Considering making a 200-word RPG based on clever scripting.
23:46
haha
Think of it as a "Code-golf RPG".
is there anything theme/tone/genre/character-design wise I should know for tomorrow night, or is it "bring whatever character I wish?"
@Shalvenay Bring whoever. Preferably they can survive past the first encounter.
But please do LMK what class you plan on running so I can adjust combat accordingly.
I'll have you start at level 3 if you wish
well, starting at L3 isn't an issue since that is the level Jherala's at
she's a Paladin (Oath of the Ancients) for now
@Shalvenay Okay, cool. That makes things a tad easier.
If you want to run that character, feel free.
A basic rundown of their history and goals would also be nice but if you'd rather take more time to think about that (or just wish to keep an air of mystery) that works too.
23:51
history for her is a wee bit...complicated
@Shalvenay Then just stick to her main goal. So long as I don't accidentally retcon her entire childhood or something I don't mind.
and her long-term goals are a bit of a blank slate right now since she's a leftover from an aborted (due to DM bandwidth shortages) campaign I was in
@Shalvenay Well, take some time to think about it if you want :)
The FUN has arrived!
@godskook mukooksdog
23:55
@godskook Fun?
@ACuriousMind Don't
Stahp
I did way too much coding today to think about Dwarf Fortress
Calm down, it's not a TVTropes link :P
@ACuriousMind See above
@Ryan Sorry--both read and responded too quickly. I'm not offended, but it did seem like you were saying that we-all nominators were talking too much. All's good now--thanks for straightening me out =)
hey there @nitsua60

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