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12:01 AM
I've seen reviews of Children, and yes--subject material I've no interest in inflicting on myself.
It's like they used both hands for a fortnight to think up the plot which would twinge the lowest common denominator of cringe for "pointless suffering of innocents" without getting i uncomfortably close to any actual instances of suffering innocents.
 
12:50 AM
@waxeagle We're supposed to level up, right? To Level 8?
 
@Grubermensch Ooh, where are you guys up to?
 
@Miniman This is still our Horde of the Dragon Queen (DnD5) game that's been going on for ages.
 
What are you guys playing?
 
@Grubermensch I know, I meant where in the story are you up to.
 
@Miniman We're about to go sack the floating castle. Should be exciting.
 
12:52 AM
@Grubermensch It's pretty fun (for the DM, at least).
 
Also, due to interesting characterization coincidences, I might be going over to the other side in the future. Which should be delicious.
 
well, my normally-3.5 group has started in on that other prewritten campaign for 5e
 
@Grubermensch Can't say I'd recommend it...
 
so xD
 
@Shalvenay Princes of the Apocalypse?
 
12:54 AM
yup
that's where I'm taking the Palalock for a whirl
 
@Grubermensch yes 8. Tho if Josh isn't here we may need to wait a week :(
 
@Shalvenay Ah, so no spoilers
 
@waxeagle I'm out for next week actually :/
 
Kk. Free in 2 weeks?
 
Should be
And the week after that too.
 
12:56 AM
So you're all playing 3.5?
 
5e
 
HotDQ and PotA are both 5e yeah -- the group I'm playing PotA with also has a 3.5e game going though
(the table of two and a half DMs ;P)
 
@waxeagle herro
 
one of them DMs 3.5e, the other was doing a 3.5e campaign but couldn't find time for it so he went to the prewritten 5e campaign, and I'm the half
 
@Shalvenay If you've got half a DM sitting at your table, you should probably clean that up - sounds pretty messy
 
12:58 AM
Cool soon as my pc comes up I'll kick up a hangout
 
@Miniman -- heh. I'm half a DM because I've run oneshots, but not (yet) a full campaign...that is changing though, with my parents as guinea pigs
 
@Shalvenay @JoshuaAslanSmith @Grubermensch plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gudjv76expygx4qgthh36ke7ima
 
@Shalvenay Half-DM, half-human...it's DM-Man! He uses his powers of rolling dice and making players cry to fight crime. (How, I'm not sure.)
 
:P
 
@Shalvenay @JoshuaAslanSmith @Grubermensch plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gudjv76expygx4qgthh36ke7ima
 
1:14 AM
@Miniman The obvious reasoning is that his players have Evil PCs and are terrorising the countryside, so it's up to DM-Man to come save the day!
 
@Nyoze The obvious reasoning is that his players have Evil Murderhobo PCs and are terrorising the countryside, so it's up to DM-Man to come save the day!
 
I stand corrected :)
 
2:08 AM
@waxeagle -- do you have any tips for designing encounters for small, low-level parties? (2 lvl1s with the idea being that one enters stage left mid-encounter)
actually, does anyone have any hints for designing encounters for small, low-level parties for that matter? (5e, 2 1st levels with the idea being that one enters stage left mid-encounter)
right now I have 2x 1d8-1 HP bandits (one with a dagger at +0/1d4, the other with a shortbow at +3/1d6+3) but I'm a bit concerned about the DPR from the archer
 
2:26 AM
@Shalvenay Sorry - Just to confirm. You are trying to design an encouter vs 1PC at first, then a second PC coming to the rescue?
 
@Nyoze -- yep, that's the idea
a bit of a nonconventional means of party assembly
 
2:41 AM
@Pixie I find myself unable to connect to your server.
 
@Nyoze -- just leave your advice here with an @notify to me and I'll see about reading it tomorrow, need to hit the sack
 
@Shalvenay I'll think of something eventually :) - G'night
 
@IronHeart Whoops, sorry. Try now.
 
There we go.
 
3:07 AM
Hey guys
Whats that fallacy called
Where you try to argue logic in a magical world
There's a name for it
 
I have not heard of this thing
 
Really?
 
Magical world? What do you mean by that?
 
You've never had an argument where someone tries to point out logical flaws in something that takes place in a magical world that pretty much at a basic level of understanding defies logic?
Like arguing physics when people in the world can fly
 
I've heard plenty about this, I have not heard a fallacy encapsulating this ever coming up.
 
3:11 AM
Yeah, I don't think I've encountered a specific fallacy. Hmm.
 
I hereby dub this argument The "Wizards Did It" Irrelevance.
 
Haha
That's fair enough
 
Magical thinking is the attribution of causal relationships between actions and events which seemingly cannot be justified by reason and observation. In religion, folk religion, and superstitious beliefs, the correlation posited is often between religious ritual, prayer, sacrifice, or the observance of a taboo, and an expected benefit or recompense. In clinical psychology, magical thinking can cause a patient to experience fear of performing certain acts or having certain thoughts because of an assumed correlation between doing so and threatening calamities. Magical thinking may lead people to...
 
This could also come back to mostly every assertion related to real-world atoms and molecules though. See: fantasy rust, fantasy poison, fantasy acid.
re actual physics in fantasy:
 
@doppelgreener Just this morning I was thinking that it's been a long time since we used that meme in chat.
 
3:20 AM
@BESW I enjoy this particular meme a lot.
 
Thats a good name for it
The "Wizards Did it" Fallacy
Trying to argue that logic works a specific way in a world where the regular rules need not apply by way of magic
 
I mainly hate it when a movie tries to explain something and then 10 minutes later just spits all over their own explanation
or even ever does really
 
3:37 AM
The opening conflict in a single-player RFS session:
Somewhere in this house is a pack of Disney princess band-aids and I cannot find them anywhere and I am bleeding.
 
Hahahahaha
 
this sounds like a great thing to run with.
 
3:56 AM
... that will probably be the opening conflict in my life if I get a cut again. Just swap Disney Princess for "the last vestiges of a once glorious stock of Hello Kitty."
 
"Keroppi nooooooo!"
 
4:44 AM
The rule of work leave: The very afternoon before you are set to go on leave for an entire week, you will suddenly have an enormous amount of work to do.
 
@Sandwich It's kind of a False Equivalence. The person is arguing that because the fantasy world shares some properties with the real world, we can treat it like the real world.
Often it also includes the Argument from Incredulity, because how is it possible that two plus left equals square I cannot even.
 
@Grubermensch I find that trying to equate 4e grid geometry with 4e in-world geometry quickly runs into this one.
 
@BESW It's tricky, because our brains are so built for the way that the real world works, and mucking around with something as fundamental as the topology of space is liable to seriously confuse.
 
4:59 AM
If you draw a real-life 4x4 square on the grid, and then have a D&D 4e character pace its dimensions in-game, they'll report that it's a circle with a ten-foot radius.
@Grubermensch Interestingly, this also breaks down outside of normal-experience physics.
 
@BESW But only if they walk its diagonals! If they trace the circumference, they'd report it as... I don't even know.
It's like the opposite of an extreme spherical deformation.
 
@Grubermensch No, if they trace its circumference it's still a circle.
The key is that in 4e, the diagonal of a grid square is the same length as each of its edges.
Squares are literally defined using circle terminology.
 
Yes but if I have:
`O O O`
`O O O`
`O X O`
The top three nodes are all the same disatance from me
Which is not the same as what a circle looks like
 
Taxicab geometry, considered by Hermann Minkowski in 19th century Germany, is a form of geometry in which the usual distance function of metric or Euclidean geometry is replaced by a new metric in which the distance between two points is the sum of the absolute differences of their Cartesian coordinates. The taxicab metric is also known as rectilinear distance, L1 distance or norm (see Lp space), city block distance, Manhattan distance, or Manhattan length, with corresponding variations in the name of the geometry. The latter names allude to the grid layout of most streets on the island of Manhattan...
 
@BESW This isn't Taxicab/Manhattan distance though.
The manhattan distance between the corners of a square is the sum of the side lengths. This is just one side length.
 
5:05 AM
Well, not quite. It's weird. Also distance inside a five-foot square acts normally, but distance between squares doesn't.
(I'm pretty sure this is why so many creatures which occupy multiple squares wind up being slavering monsters.)
 
This also has really messed up implications when you consider skewed frames of reference.
The distance to something somehow depends on whether it is aligned to the magic grid.
 
Also: I once read a study where they took physics graduate students and had them play games which required snap judgements based on knowledge of physical law interactions which don't match "common" experience.
 
The students had spent years studying these things, but when asked to make snap judgements they always reverted to "folk physics."
 
This has pretty bad implications for supertechnological space travel.
 
5:08 AM
I think it's why we need Spice
 
I... never got past the first chapter of Dune.
 
@BESW If there's a way, they will find it.
 
@Grubermensch You are not a lesser person for this.
The basic idea of Spice is that it's a drug which is required for interstellar pilots to make sense of the physics they're dealing with during the voyages.
 
Oh that's actually really cool and totally explains why it would be so valuable.
 
Dune is full of interesting ideas. Unfortunately it's also full of smug obfuscation.
 
5:15 AM
And boringness. That first chapter was the most drawn-out exhausting read I'd had since East of Eden.
 
Blaugh, East of Eden...
 
Back to square movement: I don't understand why they can't just say "diagonal movement costs 1.5 squares." It's a lot closer to reality and really not that much more difficult to count.
 
@Grub because then what happens if you only move 1 diagnonal? Where does that extra half square go?
 
@Nyoze You stop. It's a game, not a perfect physics simulator.
 
@Grubermensch I think PF did a good idea when they had the 1Square/2Squares rule. It actually emulates reality in total distance and doesn't leave you pondering the missing movement when you are 2 feet away from being able to kill that goblin.
 
5:24 AM
It's a lot easier to reason about "oh I lost this little fractional bit" than "wow I can move super fast if I only ever go diagonally, wheeeeee"
@Nyoze 1Square/2Square?
 
@Grubermensch This is exactly why they made the choice to remove 3.5's 1-and-a-half counting.
 
@Grubermensch In pathfinder, the first square of diagnonal movement is the same as linear movement. The second square costs double linear.
Then back to single, etc and so on.
 
Realism was never a concern, but in a tactics simulator that wanted movement to be a major part of its experience removing fractions was valuable.
 
@Nyoze I.. guess that works. It's really the same as 1.5 though.
 
@Grubermensch It's the 1.5 without having to worry about the .5. You don't get stuck moving halfway through a square.
@Grub also - Thank you for reminding me that my reach fighter can 5ft step diagnonally putting me back in reach range while enlarged. :D
 
5:27 AM
@Nyoze I guess I find the .5 much less annoying than having to remember this tick-tock behavior.
The physics implications of the PF ruleset are also even more disturbing.
 
Well, yes.
3.5 and PF both have a complex half-interest in physical modelling.
4e just throws it all out.
 
Not only does the world not have rotational symmetry, but also there's this weird oscillating distance thing going on.
 
@Grub Sure, if you're moving only 5ft, then your circle is a perfect square. As you move further though the actual movement area is much more of a rotational pattern.
 
D&D 4e uses Chebyshev/Chessboard Geometry.
In mathematics, Chebyshev distance (or Tchebychev distance), maximum metric, or L∞ metric is a metric defined on a vector space where the distance between two vectors is the greatest of their differences along any coordinate dimension. It is named after Pafnuty Chebyshev. It is also known as chessboard distance, since in the game of chess the minimum number of moves needed by a king to go from one square on a chessboard to another equals the Chebyshev distance between the centers of the squares, if the squares have side length one, as represented in 2-D spatial coordinates with axes aligned to...
Chebyshev applies to movement between two squares. Taxicab geometry applies to movement along the lines between two squares. One difference is that in Chebyshev, a circle is a square, but in Taxicab, a circle is a diamond.
 
@doppelgreener This article is slightly wrong I think.
In Manhattan, circles are squares. In Chebyshev, squares are circles. But neither of them work that way in reverse.
The article suggests that they are the same.
 
5:35 AM
@Grubermensch I don't understand this "circles are squares" / "squares are circles" thing you're saying.
 
@doppelgreener Manhattan distance makes diagonals longer, Chabyshev makes diagonals shorter. A circle gets "pushed out" into a square in Manhattan; a square gets "pulled in" to a circle in Chebyshev".
 
Ok, I'm not following this "pushed out"/"pushed in" stuff. Here's how I'm approaching it: the circle is defined as that shape wherein all points along the edge are equidistant from the center. In Euclidean geometry, the circle is, well, a circle. In Chebyshev, a "circle" once plotted looks like a square. In Taxicab, it is approximately a diamond (or a square rotated 45 degrees), but also not strictly possible since you have to zig-zag back and forth by 1 unit in distance from the radius.
Does that sound reasonable?
For the record, I have no idea what we could meaningfully define as a square in Chebyshev geometry. If it's "a shape with four sides, where each sides have the same length, and equal sides are parallel and an opposite distance from each other, and all angles are ninety degrees", then it is not distinct from a Chebyshev "circle", so we get squircles.
 
A squircle is a mathematical shape with properties between those of a square and those of a circle. It is a special case of superellipse. The word "squircle" is a portmanteau of the words "square" and "circle". == Equation == In a Cartesian coordinate system, the squircle centered on the point (a, b) with axes parallel to the coordinate axes is described by the equation: where r is the minor radius of the squircle (cf. equation of a circle). The case that is centered on the origin (that is, with a = b = 0) is called Lamé's special quartic. == Generalisation == The squircle is a specific case ...
 
(Uh, "and opposite sides are parallel and an equal distance from each other"*)
Well. Not those squircles specifically I think. XD
Squircles are halfway between squares and circles and not truly either in that article, in Chebyshev there is no "between" - they're the same shape.
 
5:50 AM
You can also define convex shapes by the polar curves created by plotting the distance between a fixed point and the perimeter of the shape.
 
@Grubermensch Ooooo. That could be relevant.
 
I don't understand this polar plot stuff... I'm not sure how sin(theta) turns into that.
Ooo. plot polar r = 1 is a circle. Ok, this bit makes sense to me.
 
Technically I should've sent this:
Because you only need to go halfway through to draw the circle.
You're sitting on the edge and sweeping out the shape as it goes away from you and then comes back.
Ok so here goes:
A circle in Euclidean polar coordinates is r = 1
A circle in Manhattan coordinates is r = 1/(|sin(theta)| + |cos(theta)|)
This is also a square in Euclidean coordinates.
Now, if we put a Euclidean square into the Manhattan transformation for the circle, we get:
r = [ 1/(|sin(theta)| + |cos(theta)|) ]/(|sin(theta)| + |cos(theta)|)
This gives us this squished guy
But wait there's more:
If we rotate the square ninety degrees, into what we'd be used to calling a square, it exhibits the "pulled out" behavior I was talking about before.
And if we do this to the circle, it again comes out looking like a square.
Now I have to figure out the transform for Chebyshev coordinates
 
6:20 AM
r = 1/(|sin(theta-pi/4)| + |cos(theta-pi/4)|) ?
(Or does that just coincidentally produce the same shape?)
 
@acomputingpun That's just a rotation.
 
That's impressive XD
What comes to mind for me during this stuff though is: What would someone who lives in a world of Chebyshev geometry define as their shapes? For us, we're just doing arbitrarily neat polygons. Are they polygons a Chebyshev individual has any practical use for?
We have circles and squares and other basic shapes because it's really really useful to have names for those specific concepts.
 
A Chebyshev individual would find the concept of a circle to still be amazingly useful; it would just be the shape that we consider to be a square.
 
Absolutely. (And once we stand in the middle of it and turn slowly, we could also appreciate it being a circle.)
(if our bodies somehow survive the transition to their geometry)
 
...and thinking any harder about how a Chebyshev world would work is starting to hurt my brain
If you take a square-looking piece of "circular" cardboard in Chebyshev world and rotate it by 45 degrees, what does it look like?
more specifically, what happens to the corners? do they become flattened (as they're now on edges)?
 
6:30 AM
If it's a true circle, it has rotational symmetry.
So nothing changes.
 
But you've got two dots on this piece of cardboard (with side length 1), one at each of two adjacent corners, then they're 1 unit away from one another.
But you rotate it 45* and they're now on the midpoints of two adjacent edges and therefore only 1/2 a unit away from one another!
 
Have we all read Flatland?
 
I have not.
 
I have, but I'm not sure how relevant it is.
 
For speculation about beings in a universe with different dimensional assumptions, it's seminary.
 
6:36 AM
I have not either, just heard it described.
 
Though for these specific discussions, Flatterland or Spaceland might be more directly relephant.
 
Even they, from my memory, only go so far as hyperbolic (or maybe it was elliptic?) geometry. But I'll accept the parallel.
 
I'm not saying they'd give answers to these specific questions, just that there's existing literature on the general topic and it might be useful to see how others have approached this sort of speculation.
 
Hmm. Having thought about it for a while, the only assumptions that I can come to are that either a) rotation is entirely impossible in Chebyshevworld, or b) performing rotations along angles other than multiples of 90* is impossible
@BESW Yeah, fair point.
 
6:55 AM
The weirdest dreams I've had are the ones where I embody mathematical entities (curves, distributions, computer programs). I feel like tonight might end up being one of those times, given all this discussion.
 
"The Weirdest Dreams I've Had" is the title of the first album released by the band "Mathematical Embodiments."
Overheard:
"What movie should we go see? I don't see anything interesting."
"Well, there's Fantastic Four. That's a Marvel movie."
"Oh, those are usually pretty good."
"Yeah, let's see that."
 
Smile and wave. Easier than explaining that Fox owns X-Men and F4, Sony owns Spider-Man but will be sharing him, and Batman is not Marvel at all.
 
@Magician One of my favourite things I've ever heard my daughter say was that she was looking forward to seeing the avengers because of batman.
 
7:13 AM
@Magician Thing is, I know they'll enjoy it a lot.
They go see a movie every week, which means they can't be choosey, but they still come out almost every time burbling about how good the film was.
 
Anyway, correct if I'm wrong, but F4 is Marvel isn't it?
 
The team is part of the Marvel Comics universe.
But for the purposes of film-making, they're owned by Fox.
 
Which is different to the Marvel Cinematics Universe/Avengers?
 
Fox also owns the X-Men, but Disney owns the rest--except for Spider-Man, who is Sony's.
 
Wait.
 
7:16 AM
So the big Marvel blockbusters--Avengers, Guardians, Iron Man--are Disney.... ish.
 
Avengers&Team/Agents of Sshield/Daredevil are all done by disney? Or are the tv shows separate again?
Oh yeah, forgot GotG.
 
TV-shows are within the cinematic universe, they have explicit references to movies in them.
 
Universal owns Hulk's distribution rights, but not his production rights; Disney has those.
Paramount distributed the first MCU films, before Disney bought Marvel Entertainment in 2009.
 
Wow, confusing.
 
(Fox has Deadpool, because he's X-men-ish.)
 
7:18 AM
I have to admit - I'm in the same boat as those people. A Marvel movie is a Marvel movie. :\
 
Sony loses Spider-Man if they don't make a film about him every three years, reverting the rights to Marvel, which is owned by Disney.
 
So that's why they just keep rehashing the same shit over and over
 
@BESW That explains a lot. There was more then 3 years between SM3 and tISM though...
 
Disney's using the Inhumans to fill in the X-Men-shaped hole in their MCU continuity; we've seen them in Agents of Shield already.
@Nyoze I don't know the details there.
 
Eh.
I'll get around to watching Avengers 2 and F4 eventually...
 
7:21 AM
Fox used to own Daredevil (remember that film?) but neglected him long enough that he returned to Marvel and could get handed out to Netflix.
 
Well after the disaster of the Daredevil movie that was probably out of embaressment
 
Sony controlled the Ghost Rider films, but that character has also lapsed back to Marvel and is considered played out and dead.
 
Yea, well I don't think you can do much more with GR franchise
 
You may have noticed that the two X-Men in Ultron didn't get code names.
 
Ah, still need to see Ultron
 
7:24 AM
That's because Marvel could use them, but couldn't use their hero names or call them mutants.
"Enhanced" is now the keyword.
(So their backstory was changed to remove the mutant element.)
 
meh Fox needs to keel over and die
 
Right now Marvel's negotiated with Sony to buy back the Spider-Man merchandising rights, and to have Parker in an MCU film.
 
Marvel needs to get all their crap back so they can stop screwing over the consumer with dumb crap because it "Steps on someone elses toes"
 
Mmm.
If they hadn't made these contacts, we wouldn't have an MCU.
The only reason Marvel ever started making its own movies is that the first Spider-Man films by Fox were so successful.
 
I dunno, I think they would have taken off even without that
 
7:27 AM
Prior to that, Marvel felt the only way to make money off comic films was to sell other people the right to lose money on them.
 
If they hadn't sold off movie rights, there wouldn't be Marvel. Around 2000 they came very close to bankruptcy, as amazing as that sounds now.
 
Marvel has a history of making a lot of money off very questionable business tactics which then threaten to kill the entire comic industry.
They're still not making good money off their actual comics. For a lot of their history, both Marvel and DC have regarded comics as a way to market merchandise, rather than a way to actually make money on its own.
 
They just need to find out a way to charge royalties on comic book resales and they'll be set.
 
The more you see crossover gimmicks, multicover releases, and mass series re-numbering, the more you know the company's trying to get people to buy comics--they still haven't quite figured out how bad of an idea the "collector bubble" was.
 
That or get into an online subscription setup and publish online instead of on paper
 
7:34 AM
@BESW "the company's trying to get people to buy comics" - you may want to rephrase that ;)
 
Nope, that's exactly what I mean.
When comics sales fall below acceptable margins, they use gimmicks instead of quality story to get people to buy comics agains.
 
Of course the company producing comics is trying to get people to buy comics.
That's the kind of qualifier that needs to be added. And it's fallacious as well - gimmicks don't mean there can't be a good story, too.
 
Yea I'm not sure first edition xyz or first appearance of abc type comics will ever get back to the value of having a first edition spidey
 
@Magician Of course it's fallacious. But the industry generally suffers from exactly that kind of false dichotomy.
 
@BESW I doubt there are actual marketing meetings that decide "hey, we can only afford a decent writer OR print extra covers, lets go with covers."
 
7:38 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if there was, but that's not what I'm saying.
It's easier to make multiple covers than to be confident you're putting out quality stories and art, and it works to boost short-term sales but harms the long-term reputation of the line. For many years in Marvel (see: bankruptcy) it was owned by people more interested in squeezing money out of it in the short-term.
 
I'm under the impression that the bubble of the 90s is not the doing of a single company, but the entire industry doing its best to inflate it.
 
Sure, most of the companies did that sort of thing.
 
Furthermore, there are multiple examples of critically acclaimed and loved by fans series that just don't find more fans and are eventually cancelled. It's not enough to have good story. And I'd be interested in seeing something confirming, not just speculating, that alternate covers are bad for long-term readership.
 
Marvel specifically ran it into the ground, and compounded the problem by attempting to but its own publishing and distribution hubs--driving the others out of business and then being unable to fill the vacancies in the industry's infrastructure.
@Magician I'd have to dig up the numbers, but I've seen 'em.
 
I don't get alternate covers at all, but I barely get buying individual comics issues either - I buy hardcover collections sometimes, as they are nice to own and can actually be displayed on a shelf, not in plastic sleeves.
 
7:44 AM
Alternate covers are part of the speculation business.
It's not really about the readership audience.
 
Yeah, and as someone who is only a reader, not a collector, they have zero interest to me.
 
It artificially bumps sales numbers but doesn't create any long-term commitment to the series for the buyer.
It's impossible to simplify the comics industry to a few specific notes, and I'm not trying to.
 
Sure. But why is that... bad? You have X copies that readers get, and Y copies that collectors or speculators get.
As long as the publisher doesn't overcommit to speculators and then doesn't have any ability to move the extra printed books when they are no longer interested...
 
Those are major players in what happened, yes.
But I'm not expert enough to explain it all here and now.
This wouldn't be a bad place to start.
It's tied in with what Marvel was doing to comics infrastructure at the time, and the mass exodus/firing of talent and the establishing of smaller publishers, and merchandising rights, and fan perception.
 
 
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9:07 AM
@doppelgreener Did anyone ever bookmark the "Tribute to the Dragon" concept?
 
 
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11:35 AM
Oh man that would be ridiculous if you were dealing with a being on the Macrocosmic level
Could you imagine? Like what could you offer a Macrocosmic being to prevent them from vaporizing you and everything you know into radioactive space dust
 
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A: Did Lovecraft ever describe his fiction as 'cosmic horror'?

BESWYes, he used the exact phrase "cosmic horror." But not to describe the beings of which he wrote! So far as I can make out, when he mentions cosmic horror --whether in his stories or his essays-- it is the ideas, not the monsters, to which he refers. In his essay Supernatural Horror in Literatu...

 
Yes Exactly
 
12:07 PM
Good morning
 
 
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5:02 PM
@IronHeart But what I dont have is tree fiddy
 
5:59 PM
@IronHeart I thought that might be a pun, but I see that that is exactly what it says on the tin.
It's my birthday and also funnel cake day at the shop across from work. An appreciated but dangerous combination of cakes.
 
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6:15 PM
@Pixie That sounds like a fun way to celebrate!
 
@AshleyNunn It might be the universe's apology for the mixup that led me to not be off work today. XD
 
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Funnel cake is a pretty good apology, I'd think.
 
8:50 PM
 
@Pixie Congratulations!
 
@Pixie Many happy returns of the day!
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9:09 PM
Mares, wot?
 
9:37 PM
@Iron Heart @BESW Thank you! :) @Ashley Nunn I will certainly take it. xD
 
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@Pixie Excellent plan :D
 
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9:58 PM
I'll be sure to mention it if I see any of interest.
 
Or, you know, anything else cool and timely that'd be appropriate for the Cool Stuff pin.
 
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@Pixie Oh my gosh that is the best thing.
 
@AshleyNunn Apparently it comes from Keats's letters to Fanny Brawne, his betrothed. I am now imagining someone examining my work hundreds of years from now alongside casual correspondences with my boyfriend. Oh... oh my.
 
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@BESW I love the cool stuff post. :D
 
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@Pixie Yeah, I am doing the same and laughing to myself at all the ridiculous stuff I say to my boyfriend in our Skype chats....
 
10:03 PM
@AshleyNunn I'm glad! We started it because people noticed it was fairly common to not hear about a time-sensitive event like a Kickstarter until it was over.
 
@AshleyNunn It's going to be things like this that survive, I'm sure, not least because I've already gone to the trouble of documenting them.
@BESW Yes, this is very appreciated.
 
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@Pixie cracks up
 
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@BESW I think it is awesome because I am bad at noticing things until they are over
 
A few things come in through my RSS and Twitter feeds, but most of the time I rely on other chat folks to suggest what should be in the Cool Stuff pin.
It's focused on RPG and Stack interests, but occasionally branching out is acceptable if it's something the chat's already expressed an interest in.
 
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@Pixie Your most recent Tumblr follow is most likely me. FYI. (not a creeper, I swear.)
 
10:09 PM
@AshleyNunn Haha! Thank's for the head's up.
 
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@Pixie No problem. :)
 
10:46 PM
@Pixie by the way, you have a creeper problem in the little village with the tree.
I've been clearing it up but whoops things are exploding.
 
@IronHeart I'm not sure which one that is. The only two villages I've done anything with personally are the walled fortress at spawn and the... really strange half-submerged one not too far from my base.
 
There's a place with a beacon near said walled fortress.
 
[blink] [reads again, more slowly]
[disappointed there is not a wall of bacon]
 
@IronHeart The yellow-roofed house? That'd be Jack's place.
 
Jack doesn't make enough torches.
 
10:50 PM
@BESW Walls of bacon likely do not make for the most effective fortresses.
They do make much more interesting ones.
 
Bacon forts are used as decoys, peace offerings, and country fair showpieces.
Sometimes all at once.
If properly shellacked, a prize-winning bacon fort may become a roadside tourist attraction: State's Biggest Maple Bacon Fort! Award-Winning! Sandwiches And Drinks! Next exit.
 
@IronHeart Ohh dear. xD I'm a little surprised. He spent a good deal of time setting that all up. But I think he got bored and moved on.
 
Beefcake pinup Atomic Robo. (Questionably safe for work because robotic beefcake.)
 
@BESW There's still a rather hot debate as to whether the sturdiest forts are fried crispy or soft.
 
@Pixie I'd guess twice-baked is more sturdy.
Biscotti fort!
 
11:00 PM
That... would not last long in my vicinity.
 
The invaders would need to bring a really big coffee mug.
Speaking of which. [pulls out double-size mug] Today is going to be long.
 
@BESW They lose a few of their own to scalding on the way to every battle, but sacrifices must be made.
 
Care is taken when choosing the location for a biscotti fort, ever since General Creme filled an upriver dammed lake with instant crystals before blowing up the dam.
 
@BESW Like they have in Chicago?
 
Most folks remember the many flooded villages further downstream, but environmentalists say the most tragic collateral damage is found amongst the wildlife whose sleep routines are still disrupted years later.
 
11:20 PM
...What sort of music is played in the background during parties where people are supposed to be talking?
 
...does Cradle of Filth count?
 

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