TRPG General Chat

Nyoze

00:32

Morning :)

doppelgreener

Good morning!

Sandwich

Ni hao ranma

Nyoze

6

Q: What is a good combat system I can use for a story-driven PVP game?

Alright, I know that most who read the title will go: "PVP (Player vs Player) games? In RPGs?! NO WAY!!!" Yes, yes, I know. Many advise against doing PVP in RPGs, arguing that clubbing GM-controlled Goblins is better for team cohesion than bashing each others' skulls in. I used to belong to that...

I want to play in this :(

doppelgreener

00:51

i do not understand it for lack of will to read all the stuff

oh my god

one of my favourite artists has a new album (only their second one) and I wasn't aware of it :O

[listen]

(well they did a cover album in the middle of it)

Pixie

That's always a nice discovery to make.

doppelgreener

It is!

I think I've posted their first album here before:

Django Django - Introduction

►

They've put the new one on the tubes too.

Django Django - Giant (Official Audio)

►

Nyoze

Basically... It's building a game based on an anime/manga where the players actually play against each other and not the environment.

Pixie

01:17

Grah. Offbeat Classes opened their ask box and even though I got there 9 minutes after they did, they were already full and closed again.

Nyoze

Eugh :\

Pixie

I got an ask in successfully last round (I thought), but it must have been too late.

doppelgreener

Wow @_@

that kinda sucks <_<

Pixie

'cause I haven't gotten an actual roll, so they might have not gotten to closing the askbox early enough and only actually processed the first 50. They're doing it in batches of 50 now, to keep the turnaround time from getting too long.

Nyoze

Just keep trying I guess lol

Pixie

01:20

That's all I can do. xD

Nyoze

Sup anyway?

Pixie

Not too much. A sleepy day.

doppelgreener

Planning out some classes I'll be running at my workplace, listening to a wonderful song, reading about our language developed capitalisation.

According to the infallible Wikipedia in the beginning we only had capitals, but with the advent of papyrus and then vellum, people wanted to handwrite faster, which lead to them taking shortcuts which evolved the capital letters into our modern lowercase. The uppercase is still present and used because of convention and the clarity it can add to writing.

Nyoze

@doppelgreener What sort of workplace is it and classes do you run? I really have nothing better to do then pester people :P

@doppelgreener Huh... I always thought it would of been lower case first then Capitals were developed for emphasis.

doppelgreener

@Nyoze so did I, which seemed like a strange enough state of affairs I wanted to know why. The other way around makes a lot of sense!

@Nyoze I work as an IT consultant and I'm currently placed in a government workplace. There's some tools they need to be across which they don't fully understand, but they fall within my expertise, so I'll be running some internal classes to teach them.

Nyoze

01:33

@doppelgreener You have my dream job. I hate you now :(

doppelgreener

wow

i'm shattered

I've taught them about WCAG previously (an accessibility standard), and will be teaching them about ARIA (a tool for increasing accessibility on webpages), then later I may be teaching them about the new HTML5 JavaScript APIs and Knockout.js.

@Nyoze What part of that is your dream job?

Nyoze

Someone online you've never met has expressed hatred of you just because of where you work. Be very shattered :P

@doppelgreener I work in Sales :\ - The time I spend not online crusing here or RPOL, I'm trying to convince them that they need me in IT or Business Analysis and Reporting, but they won't listen to me.

@doppelgreener So actually being an IT Consultant full-time would be ideal.

doppelgreener

We could have a conversation sometime about that if you like, but it's not surprising if they don't plan to move their sales dude to another unrelated department.

(but being a consultant in and of itself is quite a different change to being any normal employee)

Nyoze

@doppelgreener Haha. I'm further then I thought I would be - I spend about 3 hours a week in IT, and about 10 hours a week doing business reporting... I just don't know how to actually convince them to make it a full time thing not a part time thing.

doppelgreener

@Nyoze It sounds like this is the kind of employer who might have at least ~50 employees. Is that the case?

Adeptus

01:48

@JoshuaAslanSmith I actually went to a book launch a while back, of a collection of Christian-themed vampire stories. Bought a copy, but haven't gotten around to reading it yet.

Nyoze

@doppelgreener More like about ~8-900 at a rough guess? I don't have an exact number :(

doppelgreener

@Nyoze Ok. This is the size where a very strong consideration in placement would be: "Given this employee, what can we assign them to such that we get maximum value out of them?".

Adeptus

@doppelgreener I just found an older album of an artist I like. It was obviously before they "found their sound", as it's quite different to the 3 later albums I'm familiar with. The Flatliners - Destroy to Create

doppelgreener

If you do not have a strong IT education background and you are reasonably skilled in sales, that consideration results in "sales, with some of this other stuff they're interested in and decent at."

Nyoze

@doppelgreener Except... I have more of an IT background then anything else lol.

doppelgreener

01:53

oh xD

Nyoze

Just for context - I work at Vodafone, in the customer contact centre down in hobart.

Sandwich

SGDQ EARTHBOUND STARTS IN 5 MINS

Nyoze

Started working in Customer Care - then moved to online sales to not have to be on the phone constantly. Now I'm slowly attempting to migrate from sales to IT, but the IT team never has many positions open lol.

@Sandwich SGDQ?

user15026

@Sandwich That just might drag me away from my shows on Netflix

doppelgreener

Games done quick.

Summer Games Done Quick - a charity event wherein people speedrun games live to help raise funds for charity. It's very entertaining depending on the game and presenter and sometimes just awesome to watch.

Nyoze

01:57

Oh interesting.

Iron Heart

Where are the chat enhancement userscripts again?

doppelgreener

@IronHeart which ones?

stackapps.com/questions/tagged/chat

Hmmmm.... SDGQ is a pretty cool thing, but it isn't RPGs, but it is games, and a lot of people like video games.

@BESW Should SGDQ be in the Cool Stuff, do you think?

Nyoze

That's not earthbound... thats LoZ...

@Sandwich You lied :(

Adeptus

Talking about speedruns always reminds me of when my roommate & I played through Day of the Tentacle. First time through, we took weeks to figure out how to get past all of the puzzles etc. When we finally finished it, we immediately replayed it from the beginning, and finished it in about 90 minutes.

Sandwich

@Nyoze gamesdonequick.com/schedule

They just finished the Zelda Swordless run

I don't know why they're doing a Glitched any % run

Maybe because they had to pre-emptively end the Swordless run because of Ganon cheese

But Earthbound IS next

Nyoze

02:17

Eventually lol

Sandwich

Oh its on now

Earthbound is LIVE @AshleyNunn @Nyoze

Mmmmm Earthbound

Nyoze

@Sandwich Shh! Watching Earthbound! :(

Sandwich

@Nyoze SHHH

Sandwich

02:59

Pretty sure Ness' dad is a time wizard

Nyoze

I just got back and I'm sitting here going "Where's Ness?" :\

There's Ness :)

Okay wtf is going on....

Sandwich

This is an any% run

They're using the cold/stairs glitch to move themselves out of bounds so they can change the map they're on

Nyoze

Ahhhh

Sandwich

Any% Glitchless at AGDQ 2011 was really great though

Took like six hours?

Nyoze

Oh wow.

Okay... What?

Did he use a level glitch or something?

Sandwich

03:15

No he used an effect of Paulas pray ability to confuse the mani mani statue

Which caused it to attack and kill itself

Which gave him about 45,900 exp

And then he gets another 200,000

Nyoze

Oh shi...

Wow.

Level 38 :\

Okay...

So get this. Our internet isn't letting us load any new pages

But what I have open - This and GDQ are working fine lol

Shalvenay

@Nyoze -- I've seen that failure mode from my ISP as well -- what sorts of errors do you get when you try to load a new page?

well, from my internet connection, not necessarily my ISP

Nyoze

Your request could not be processed because of a configuration error: "Connection to authentication agent lost."

Eh, IT are working on it.

doppelgreener

03:52

@Magician GREETINGS

Magician

And salutations

doppelgreener

and M.... [poisons morning] MORNINGS

Magician

Poisoned mornings, my favorite.

doppelgreener

noooo what have I done

Magician

crunch crunch crunch

doppelgreener

03:58

welp

I'm glad that wasn't my morning

Magician

Cunning

BESW

04:15

@doppelgreener That's up to the chat.

Nyoze

Well... There's 3 days left of it, so help entertain people I guess :P

doppelgreener

04:33

@BESW You are in the chat, so I'm asking your opinion. I'm also asking you since you probably remember a lot of what's gone into the Cool Stuff in the past.

@Nyoze only 3 days... T_T and I've barely seen any of it...

@BESW As a chatizen I request SGDQ be in the Cool Stuff!

Nyoze

@doppelgreener I just found out about it today, and I've got the next 3 days off work. :\

doppelgreener

"video game speed runs to raise money for charity" would make a good tagline

@Nyoze fantastic!

Nyoze

@doppelgreener Not fantastic. I don't internet when I'm not at work :)

doppelgreener

@Nyoze Ah. Well then. That's not so great. :P

Sandwich

05:06

It started Sunday at Midnight

I been watching it since

Havent missed a GDQ since they started

doppelgreener

Sandwich has yet to sleep

Sandwich

ILL MAKE IT THE WEEK

I HAVE EYE TOOTHPICKS

Magician

TOOTH EYEPICKS

doppelgreener

05:25

Eyetooth picks?

Made from the eyetooth of a very, very big dog.

(the eyeteeth is are the especially long teeth that poke out near the front on either side.)

Nyoze

@doppelgreener I thought they were canines...

Magician

> You are looking out through a window at night. Candlelight near you allows you to see your reflection. You watch as your teeth begin to elongate: slowly, rather comfortably, like the growth of a tree-branch in spring.

Ah, the nightmares of FL. This is one of the earlier and more benign ones, but it's one of the creepiest, for me.

doppelgreener

@Nyoze same thing, different name, forgot they were also called those :D

Nyoze

Ahh lol.

BESW

05:57

**Cool stuff:** [Bundle of Holding](http://bundleofholding.com "buy RPGs cheap in bulk, support charities & indie designers!");
[Summer Games Done Quick](http://www.twitch.tv/gamesdonequick "speedrunning games for charity");
[The Warren](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bullypulpitgames/the-warren-0 "Apocalypse World does Watership Down");
[Microscope Explorer](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lamemage/microscope-explorer "new ways to play Microscope");
[Jewelbots](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1345510482/jewelbots-friendship-bracelets-that-teach-girls-to "open-source program…

doppelgreener

@BESW thanks! :D

BESW

06:13

One-shot campaign idea looking for a suitable RPG engine: Robot Fight Club.

Magician

...have you been reading Questionable Content?

BESW

No, watching one of the recent Transformers TV shows.

One of the humans who just saw a big Autobot/Decepticon battle is being told to keep them a secret, and--

"I know, I know. The first rule of Robot Fight Club is you don't talk about Robot Fight Club."

doppelgreener

06:37

argle bargle

There is a Fate question I know I can answer. But every time I go to answer Fate questions I have a voice saying "you've hardly played Fate! You don't know anything about it!" even though I have, quite a lot!

And I know stuff about relevant story needs.

Sandwich

I answered a fate question and I've never played fate

I only read the rules a little bit

And did some research

doppelgreener

HOW DARE YOU, IMPUDENT MORTAL

no that's fine

(sometimes :D)

Nyoze

06:49

I've answered 5e questions with playing 5e :(

I haven't answered any Fate questions though :(

Pixie

07:14

On the subject of vampires, weakness: "gets soggy in milk."

doppelgreener

@Pixie this is cracking me up

Pixie

@doppelgreener I laugh every time I see it.

Nyoze

@Pixie Synopsis please? Work has blocked tumblr for some unknown reason.... /sarcasm

Pixie

@Nyoze Wikipedia has a list of common vampire weaknesses. There is an entry:

(If that will display.)

Nyoze

Wait what?

Pixie

07:27

If not, "Gets soggy in milk."

Sandwich

Very nice.. Vampires are apparently part cereal / oreos

Pixie

The source: Count Chocula.

Sandwich

heh heh heh

That's funny stuff

Pixie

I miss Count Chocula terribly. =A=

It contains an ingredient I stopped eating, but it was my favorite cereal, and I have never found another chocolate cereal with marshmallows. xD

Sandwich

I don't think I could quit something I liked even if it had something I didn't like in it

I don't really see the point myself

If you've already eaten enough of the thing you dont like why stop

Is X ingredient going to kill you one day? Like smoking? Because if not I'd probably say go for broke

Just think of it in Monster rancher terms

Pixie

07:31

Because I sometimes review my dietary habits and make changes I feel are necessary? I wouldn't arbitrarily stop eating something I liked if I didn't feel it mattered. xD

Sandwich

If those monsters didn't eat those mint leaves they'd die so much faster

Pixie

Mint leaves are good for monsters though. :v

Sandwich

If the FDA Evaluated that its actually killing you I don't think it'd stop you from feeding them to them

Because quite frankly the FDA does a lot of stupid things behind the scenes

doppelgreener

@Pixie goodness gracious, that sounds like sensible and mindful dietary and health management

good stuff ᕦ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕤ

Sandwich

The ones that immediately spring to mind are unregulated bottled water sales and Trans fats

Because if the FDA is given the power to ban a potentially harmful ingredient, whats to stop them from banning anything that may be considered potentially harmful

Hell cases have been made that milk is bad for you, why not ban milk too

Same with bottled water

Pixie

07:36

Huh? Where is this even coming from? I choose not to eat something. This is not "ban it," this is not "you should not eat it." xD

doppelgreener

I think this might be getting a bit off track

Sandwich

Yeah I guess you guys are right

Were you eating like four boxes of Count Chocula a day or something

doppelgreener

you seem to have a rant to uncork here but it isn't a relevant one

Sandwich

Because my mom absolutely loves Boo berry

And they stopped selling that here :(

Not sure why though

Seemed good enough

Pixie

They stop selling them all periodically.

Usually they start again around Halloween.

Sandwich

07:39

My favorite cereal is still cracklin' oat bran

Until they make a cereal out of oreos anyway

And not Oreo O's

An actual good oreo cereal :I

Nyoze

@Sandwich It wouldn't work... It would disintegrate :(

Pixie

Haha, OreOs are pretty bad.

Sandwich

All cereal disintegrates eventually

If you can press shapes into the tops of the oreos then why cant you press them into a puff that wont immediately dissolve in milk

All they would need to do is to take the oreo cookie formula, compress it in little balls, and ice it krispy-kreme donut style

doppelgreener

I don't think those are comparable

Sandwich

With oreo cookie filling of course

doppelgreener

07:42

Australia has almost no sugary cereal at all so I'm out of my depth here :U

One of our most iconic cereals is weet bix

Sandwich

You poor poor folks :(

Pixie

Well, there's also the nutritional goals of cereal. Although sugary cereal is not exactly good for you, it is not like eating a bowl of cookies. :v

Sandwich

Wait wait

Weet bix?

What

doppelgreener

Google it

Nyoze

@doppelgreener I still can't stand Weet-Bix or Vegemite :\

doppelgreener

07:43

And I consider this a good thing

Sandwich

I did

And uh

That just looks like granola bars

Nyoze

@Sandwich Take Shredded Wheat, mash it into blocks, and then sell it as cereal.

@Sandwich Except... Take the stuff out of shredded wheat that actually makes it taste good.

doppelgreener

It's pressed wheat.

Miniman

I used to eat 8 weet bix a day.

Now I can't stand the stuff :(

Nyoze

@Miniman Yay. I'm not the only one.

Sandwich

07:44

Cracklin' Oat Bran

Cracklin' Oat Bran is a breakfast cereal introduced in 1977 by Kellogg's. The cereal is made of oat bran flavored with cinnamon and nutmeg, and held together by brown sugar in the form of a rectangle. The cereal is a source of dietary fiber, as its first two ingredients are whole oats and sugar, but it contains a significant amount of saturated fat due to the use of palm oil. The palm oil used in the cereal is modified slightly to suggest more of a sugary flavor than normal palm oil. The recipe for Cracklin' Oat Bran underwent a major change in 1989, when consumer health advocates pushed for Kellogg...

That's my favorite cereal

Pixie

Other than Count Chocula, it's hard to decide. Maybe Chex, especially Rice Chex. It tastes best if you put sugar on it, of course, which defeats the point, but I try not to. :P

doppelgreener

@Sandwich consider that I experience similar befuddlement with this American thing of effectively eating candy for breakfast.

Sandwich

Its pressed so thickly that it literally takes like ten minutes for milk to start making it soggy

Nyoze

@Sandwich That actually sounds pretty awesome.

Sandwich

Its delicious

And you can stack it

And build stuff with it

Because its very stable

SPArchaeologist

07:46

morning

doppelgreener

(I'm not befuddled by individual cases, but why is it an endemic cultural thing?)

Pixie

@Sandwich I have never seen this in my life. It looks kinda cool.

Sandwich

@doppelgreener If it makes you feel any better I normally skip breakfast

amazon.com/Cracklin-Oat-Bran-Cereal-17-Ounce/dp/B000AY9UKM

Who would buy ten boxes of cereal at once

Thats ridiculous amazon

Pixie

Amazon sells most of its groceries in bulk. It's fine for packaged goods that last a while and you use a lot of. Mostly, though, I'm like "I don't need 20 of those."

Adeptus

@Sandwich Someone who wants to build something really big out of them?

Sandwich

07:49

I guess so

It is really stable

amazon.com/Kelloggs-Cracklin-Oat-Bran-Cereal/dp/B00KQ1HTUW/… That's slightly better I guess

SPArchaeologist

@Sandwich Can those be used to play mahjong?

Adeptus

Also palm oil is evil. Eeee-vil. Palm oil plantations take habitat away from orangutans & tigers. Unless it's sustainably sourced.

Sandwich

If you can find a way to put symbols on them I guess

Nah I don't think so

Pixie

@doppelgreener Part of it is the way the general cultural palate has developed (and I couldn't tell you exactly how that happened), but part of it is also born from the influence of industries with an interest in sugar (cane or corn).

Sandwich

Mahjong is kind of about the randomness of the tile layout

You could do a Mahjong stack though

doppelgreener

08:00

@Pixie Mmm, now I remember that the corn industry owns America's food production basically

Pixie

Yep.

doppelgreener

In contrast though... Australia has smaller portions (an American McDonald's small meal is our large, and I mean that), very little sugary cereal, and as a kind of testament, there used to be three donut places in the city and now there's only one.

Pixie

Food culture in America is a big, broad, and sometimes touchy subject that is hard to discuss without getting into matters of politics and poverty too. It's also not the same everywhere and among all groups. But one thing I can say is that industry and lobbying have a profound influence on it.

doppelgreener

08:15

Plus y'all have like fifteen times as many people as Australia, which makes for a whole lot more cereal companies.

Pixie

Haha, that too.

... also, I want donuts now. TwT

I haven't had one in a really long time. I really don't like anything but donuts from an actual donut place, and even then, it has to be the right kind.

Sandwich

Donuts are the beeeeeest

Krispy Kreme Glazed for liiiife

24 hours a daaaay

My mom brought home donuts about a month ago and I straight up flippped

Pixie

I am not fond of glazed yeast donuts. Glazed cake donuts can be good.

From an actual donut place the yeast ones are still pretty good, but I definitely prefer cake donuts. A chocolate cake donut is the best. @o@

Sandwich

Cake donuts are cake :U

CAAAAKE

Pixie

And cake is also the best!

Sandwich

08:30

CAAAAAAAAKE

shakes fist

Dunkin donuts has cake donuts and they taste like garbaaaage

Pixie

Donut Connection > Dunkin Donuts.

At least as I recall. It has been a very long time since I've had any of them.

doppelgreener

@Sandwich The one donut store that survived is one of those.

Sandwich

Oh no

God help you @doppelgreener :(

doppelgreener

@Sandwich What?

Sandwich

Wait you mean Dunkin or Donut Connection

doppelgreener

08:33

Mouse over my message and see which one of yours gets highlighted

Sandwich

Or Krispy Kreme

Oh

It was way up there I didnt see it

doppelgreener

aha

yeah, Krispy Kreme

Sandwich

Krispy Kreme for days

When they're fresh its like eating delicious sugary air

Mmm

Pixie

From Krispy Kreme... nope, glazed chocolate cake donuts are still the best, but I'll eat the regular glazed yeast. They are pretty good.

doppelgreener

What's this yeast/cake distinction?

Sandwich

08:37

Cake donuts are deep fried cake and Yeast donuts are donuts made with dough that rise and then are fried :I

Pixie

Yeast are the round smooth ones that are more puffy. Cake are the lumpy, crumbly ones that have a denser texture.

doppelgreener

Aha

Sandwich

Cake donuts also use baking powder instead of yeast

doppelgreener

I don't know if they have yeast ones here <_<

maybe both idk

Sandwich

They also weigh like twice as much

Pixie

08:39

Right, one uses yeast, one doesn't. xD

Sandwich

Krispy Kreme uses yeast donuts

Pixie

Krispy Kreme has both.

(At least here.)

doppelgreener

that could be the diff, but I'll be paying attention next time I guess!

... don't know when that'll be

(Krispy Kreme had two outposts here: one large indoor cafe / donut place, and one that's got one of the smallest booths in the shopping center and just sells from a smallish display. The latter one is the one that's still open.)

Pixie

This is what a standard yeast donut from Krispy looks like:

Sandwich

Be still my beating heart

For we were meant to be together

Pixie

08:47

Of course, the best donuts around here come from a local bakery. :P

doppelgreener

those are called original glazed here, i'll see if they have a different texture

which kind is a cake one?

Sandwich

Yep that's the one

Pixie

@doppelgreener Yes, the "original" is the yeast type. The cake ones are like this or this (the lumpy kind comes in blueberry too and maybe some other kinds).

doppelgreener

Cinnamon! My favourite.

I have to gym! See y'all soon, goodnight to those I won't :)

BESW

09:07

I have no idea what to close this for.

Sandwich

09:23

@BESW That question.. wow

BESW

It's a fine question for a traditional forum.

Sandwich

Hahaha

My post is still at the top of Bismuth

Magician

Demogorgon has really let itself go:

BESW

@Magician Stress eating.

I answered that question mostly to sop the inevitable flood of answers poor enough to need moderation.

Hmm. Off the top of my head, Microscope and Penny For My Thoughts fit that querent's description perfectly, with Pilgrims of the Flying Temple coming close too.

SPArchaeologist

10:08

Found while I was searching a new icon for my start button.

Sandwich

Hah

SPArchaeologist

Origami Cthulhu

Sandwich

It could also be one of those ribbons that people use to advertise things

Like Breast cancer or support the troops

SPArchaeologist

nope, the original image title was pretty clear

cthulhu origami present ribbon

BESW

(source)

SPArchaeologist

10:28

oh, well, didn't really research it. Forget that then

BESW

10:38

So, Transformers: Prime has the primary plot device of "CRYSTALS!"

Specifically, crystallised "Dark Energon," which can do things like turning people into zombies if you stab them with it.

SPArchaeologist

Sombra will be proud.

BESW

Sandwich

10:56

Heh heh

There was a "Water therapy chamber" at a mall I went to once

Where you got into a chamber kind of like a massage table and they shot water at your back

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