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SevenSidedDie
SevenSidedDie
00:02
@Shalvenay Whereas that would never fly with me as GM. If you want a data metaphor, I'm query-based after the initial information is provided.
Miniman
Miniman
@SevenSidedDie Well that makes you a CRUD GM, doesn't it?
SevenSidedDie
SevenSidedDie
@Miniman Indeed. :)
Gumbz
Gumbz
00:30
Can anyone help with some shadowrun 4e questions? Like advice, subjective opinion, so I don't think I should make a normal post for it.
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
@SevenSidedDie well, I meant "complete with regards to visibility"
just saying "here's a room, have at it" doesn't work so well with me
SevenSidedDie
SevenSidedDie
@Shalvenay Oh, sure. It wouldn't have occurred to me that "not even describing the room" would be a thing to be concerned about.
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
00:46
also -- on that SR5 protected files question, my sim-sense tingles strongly with the feeling of "massive rules dysfunction inbound"
@Gumbz -- just throw them out there :)
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
00:58
woot -- first uses of my newfound edit superpowers :D
Magician
Magician
01:09
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Gumbz
Gumbz
Alrighty shalvenay, thanks. Mostly, I'm just rocking a ton of analysis paralysis while trying to roll up my first shadowrun character - an elf adept with Kinesis and assault rifles. I don't really understand whether a Focus, or cyberware, or other fancy items are "must have" things and I just can't decide what to spend my nuyen on.
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
01:43
@Gumbz -- any reason you can't discuss it with the rest of your party and/or your GM?
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
02:32
welcome back @Gumbz
Gumbz
Gumbz
thankya
They don't really have answers. All the players are new, and the GM has only ever GM'd. Her advice is "I don't know, just spend all your karma on turning into a Gun Dragon." (Runner's Companion, dracoforms, page 76)
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
wow
I suppose you'll have to wait and see if any Shadowrunners pop in then
(I haven't played a lick of Shadowrun -- the only SR stuff I touch is from the simulationist perspective)
Gumbz
Gumbz
eh well. I'm sure the character will be fine whatever happens. I just hate all the options for spending nuyen and no way to know what of it is useful
BESW
BESW
Hmm. Looking at top users in that tag, most of them don't frequent the chat a lot.
Gumbz
Gumbz
d&d keeps it pretty simple - either sword, greatsword, bow, or crossbow (mostly) ;)
BESW
BESW
02:36
Maybe @Pureferret will drop by.
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
@Gumbz -- not so much :p
Gumbz
Gumbz
eh, I guess I'm forgetting all the exotic weapons and gripping monkeys and weirdness of 3.5
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
I'm thinking of how much tail the fighter in my 5e group kicks with his glaive
Gumbz
Gumbz
I have not tried 5e much yet
I did the playtests a little
the shitty caves of chaos playtest, with the really nice simple rules
and the Return to Blingdenstone FANTASTIC adventure with the somewhat more confusing rules
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
it's not a bad system at all -- it's the rulings-ness and relative flexibility of 2e with the simpler dice rolling of 3.5e, and some nice twists thrown in (such as advantage/disadvantage)
Gumbz
Gumbz
02:45
fair enough. I live in a very small town now, so I only have one person to play games with
whereas I used to have aregular gaming group
but when I'm in montreal with these folks, I'll finally get to try shadowrun!
so you've never played?
I'm not sure what you mean about the simulationist perspective
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
as in, using real-life experiences to inform what should happen ingame
Gumbz
Gumbz
I see. but you've played shadowrun at all? lucky you!
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
no, I haven't -- my TTRPG experience is mostly D&D with a dab of Fate Accelerated in there
Gumbz
Gumbz
ah, I see. mostly I just read through non-D&D books wistfully ;)
don't rest your head, savage worlds, my life with master, etc
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
I've read through parts of Mage: the Ascention and Ars Magica as well -- but the writing style those systems' main documents employ is very hard to digest end-to-end
BESW
BESW
03:17
@Grimmcrow Hi!
SevenSidedDie
SevenSidedDie
03:32
@Gumbz I know what you mean. I've got those three too, and have only played one.
Tritium21
Tritium21
Yay for a GM running a dungeon crawl snore
Tritium21
Tritium21
03:50
also yay for having to fix half of the tools that came with this Campaign Cartographer Annual
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
yeah -- standard dungeon crawls are a snorefest :P
Gumbz
Gumbz
04:07
what's this New Feed Items thing?
did I sign up for it on accident, or is it automatic?
BESW
BESW
It's a room-specific feed ticker that draws from the feeds on this page.
Tritium21
Tritium21
The thing popping up at the top? everyone sees that
(wish i had a little more PERSONAL control over it, but meh)
BESW
BESW
For this particular room, its content is suggested and voted on by us.
Tritium21
Tritium21
04:43
hmm... I dont know what I feel about systems where situational bonuses can make it literally impossible to fail a roll.
not every roll, but some times
BESW
BESW
That's a fairly major playstyle determiner.
Gumbz
Gumbz
I like systems where you don't even have to roll for archetype-appropriate things. a thief never fails to vanish into the shadows, a witch never fails to contact a semi-helpful local spirit, a noble never fails to inspire loyalty, etc
BESW
BESW
Whereas I often enjoy systems which ask for rolls only when it's unclear which outcome would be narratively best.
Tritium21
Tritium21
If i were to describe this system, it would be one of extremes - if you hit, you probably finished them off. If they hit you, you are probably close to being finished. If you are skilled at all, you are very likely to succeed. if you arnt skilled, you are very likely to fail
sillyputty
sillyputty
05:53
@DuckTapeAl Yeah I usually don't play like that, it's why it was so effective at setting the mood. Plus, the scenario was based on youtube.com/watch?v=r-ZD5cLlA2U The Many Door of Albert Whale. I wanted them to take the sticky notes seriously. =) Playing like that all the time would be tiresome for me.
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
06:16
/me shakes the channel, sees if any Shadowrunners fall out
BESW
BESW
07:10
@Shalvenay Atomic Robo mailbag on scientific accuracy:
> We always prefer to err on the side of plausibility over accuracy. We have always found plausibility opens up more interesting options than pure accuracy.
Tritium21
Tritium21
08:05
I really like this world our group created. Its a plausible multiverse!
it also lets us have a lot more play time, since we can pass the GM torch around
 
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Tritium21
Tritium21
11:33
So the inventor of role playing games, Saint Gygax, intended that you start by playing D&D (or any RPG) to know what they are... Then house rule it, then house setting the game, then once you get a feel for that, just write your own game for your local group.
Pureferret
Pureferret
@BESW you rang?
If it's about shadowrun I've never played it, and you can't prove anything
Miniman
Miniman
12:07
@Tritium21 Interesting...my first group went the other way. We started with games we created ourselves, then eventually progressed to actual D&D.
Tritium21
Tritium21
Interesting
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@Wibbs re: my comment on the Fate question, some of the major games are listed on the fate RPG wikipedia article. There's lots of other minor games, and Evil Hat's actively building up a Fate Worlds series of smaller game implementations from independents.
each one's going to tweak the dials slightly as suits it, and some are going to replace parts of the Core rules for better or worse, or just suggest a better way to handle the same thing within their own system.
Wibbs
Wibbs
@doppelgreener ah, fair enough - it might need closing for being unclear if that's the case
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@Wibbs it seemed to be asking about core and accelerated at first, so we'll go with that
they tagged it as such, so they weren't saying core and accelerated were irrelevant, they were saying it was irrelevant which
or at least, i'd go with that! if you disagree you can cast your close vote, maybe it needs it, i'm only taking a break from watching Daredevil.
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
12:40
@Wibbs mind if I delete my comments?
Wibbs
Wibbs
@doppelgreener not at all
I'll do the same
Tritium21
Tritium21
@doppelgreener IIUC DF having the aspects not being always 'on' matches the mythos of the books better
BESW
BESW
13:03
Tonight, two of my players made 13th Age PCs.
A bard raised by sirens, with no allegiance that anyone can figure out, whose songs are all pop hits--I Like to Move It, Can't Touch This, Holding Out for a Hero.
And a piebald, flightless wyrmling bred in a test tube by the Archmage from blood of all four Iconic dragons, with a human nursemaid. Technically the PC is a ranger with a wyrmling companion (panther stats), but that's not fooling anybody.
Pureferret
Pureferret
@BESW both sound reasonable
BESW
BESW
The wrymling looks to wind up with an 18-20 crit range on anything with a lower initiative count (and rolling twice for init with a +9 mod, that's most things), and the ability to increase that to 16-20 for one target per fight.
Pureferret
Pureferret
13:56
@BESW Hmmmmmmmm
Maybe not then
Did you drop my name about shadow run BTW?
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
14:32
@Tritium21 it causes a problem when one of your aspects is "on fire" or a consequence is "broken leg" though
that should not necessarily always be affecting you but it should be always on
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
14:51
@BESW so is the human nursemaid the ranger component of the ranger/companion duo?
Pureferret
Pureferret
15:20
S'quiet in here
Pureferret
Pureferret
15:33
I'm plotting by the way
Mwahahaha
Miniman
Miniman
@Pureferret Plotting...what?
Justin T
Justin T
15:49
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Q: Do magic items really cost at least as much to create as they do to purchase?

PurpleVermontThe table on page 129 of the DMG lists the costs to craft an item. Taking as an example a Common magic items, such as a level 1 spell scroll, the cost is listed as 100 gp. The crafter can only make 25 gp worth of progress per day, so this takes 4 days worth of effort, at 8 hours per day. The c...

dnd-5e magic-items crafting
Blatantly wrong answer has 23 upvotes. Flies in the face of economics, common sense, rules as written, rules as intended. Infuriating.
Pureferret
Pureferret
16:00
@Miniman a nWoD campaign I may never run... But it's fun.
Pureferret
Pureferret
16:48
I'm basing it around a Promethean who is trying to obtain god hood
I'm playing three story arcs, starting with the players as children
 
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Iron Heart
Iron Heart
18:32
@JustinT We can reasonably guess at Rules As Intended, but that doesn't mean we know the Rules As Intended unless there's a statement as to the effect the rules are meant to have.
DuckTapeAl
DuckTapeAl
@JustinT You assume that common sense and economics are design goals of 5e. :)
Wibbs
Wibbs
19:06
RAI is one of the most over-used, misused terms that exists. Most of the time people use it, what it really means is the interpretation of the rules that they think most makes sense, which has no relevance to what the actual designer of the game might have intended
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Shalvenay
Shalvenay
19:18
yeah, 5e simply isn't even close to being that simulationist
actually, @JustinT -- D&D itself was never, ever designed to be that simulationist when it comes to economics
 
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BESW
BESW
22:14
@doppelgreener Yes.
@Pureferret Your name was the only one in the top users for the Shadowrun s4 tag who comes into chat regularly.
Pureferret
Pureferret
22:38
@BESW ah
I have the core book
But I can check it out and give an opinion when I'm home

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