TRPG General Chat

Metool

00:00

Ah. You'll note a general aversion to 5E on my part, so...

Oh. Well then. I misread.

BESW

@waxeagle Ah, so you're deriving 5e's "core" from Basic, rather than from the Three Big Books?

wax eagle

@BESW for 5, yes.

BESW

00:13

Meanwhile, since centaurs are a clear and present danger, a guide to centaur wrestling! http://www.maxgladstone.com/2014/08/how-to-wrestle-a-centaur/

Tweeted by mcahogarth on September 25, 2014 at 11:59 PM

Adeptus

@waxeagle Local (Australian) price is $60 each. At that price, I'll pass... I don't have time to play another game right now anyway, and until they bring out easy conversion rules for old editions, I can't (easily) use it for my old adventure modules.

@waxeagle "Basic" classes?

wax eagle

@Adeptus ouch, what's the exchange rate right now? It's close to 1:1 IIRC?

Lord_Gareth

@BESW Can you link me back to the FATE t hing we did recently?

wax eagle

/me wonders what shipping would be to AU

BESW

Translating an LoL cinematic into Fate terms

yesterday, 2 hours 38 minutes total – 212 messages, 5 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked yesterday by BESW

Adeptus

00:20

@waxeagle yep, I think it's about US 90c = Aus $1

wax eagle

yowsers $50 to ship

Adeptus

I think I worked out that getting the full set from Amazon would be about $120, so saving $20ish per book

BESW

Hmm. Maybe thinking about gruffs as gishes will help me stat them.

wax eagle

@Adeptus sounds about right. Do you guys have a local amazon? Or do you end up ordering from Amazon US when you do amazon?

Lord_Gareth

Danke @BESW

Adeptus

00:29

@waxeagle There is an amazon.com.au but they only do ebooks & Android apps. Anything else, we get from Amazon US or UK (depending which works out cheaper)

wax eagle

Gotcha

doppelgreener

@waxeagle a decade or two ago, Australia was roughly USD$0.50 = AUD$1

a lot of retailers seem to be selling stuff as if it's still the same rate

we are used to things being expensive

@NiteCyper to be fair, they probably should have called the unconscious condition 'incapacitated' or 'out cold' or something. That condition seems to be about how you could get knocked out and be out cold, and totally unresponsive. You can shake a sleeping person awake. You can't really do the same thing to someone who's out cold.

Adeptus

00:45

@doppelgreener It's often referred to as "the Australia tax" (note: not actually a tax). Especially when referring to digital downloads. Is there a reason why Adobe, Microsoft, Apple, Steam, etc charge us more to download a product than the rest of the world? No, just "because they can". Physical products, there is some justification for it costing more - shipping, wages, premises, etc. But digital? Nope.

BESW

To be fair, it usually entails negotiating an entirely unique copyright/publication arrangement.

There's a lot of stuff which is straight-up not available for Guam because we fall through the cracks of international copyright: we aren't a United State of America, but neither are we not part of the United States of America.

Amazon flat-out refuses to sell us most software and some hardware.

Adeptus

@BESW But how does that justify, eg, Adobe doubling (or more?) their prices for Aus as compared to USA? For a digital-only product?

BESW

I don't know if it does. I'm just saying there's more to it than you're seeing, behind the scenes, which could justify a price hike--though maybe not that much of one.

Digital download vs physical shipping has very very little to do with the price of the product itself, except inasmuch as people erroneously think they should pay less for the same amount of developer work if they don't have a product they can hold.

Adeptus

news.com.au/finance/business/…

BESW

That's pretty silly. And Adobe is an awful example.

Adobe is doing its best to kill itself off, and has been for years.

wax eagle

00:54

one of these days they'll succeed and the internets will cheer. and then go...wait how do we do web animation now? and how do we pdf...

(and image manip)

BESW

Somebody's gotta be stepping up to the plate.

The writing's on the wall re: Adobe's stranglehold on the digital arts market.

So... yeah, I'm not arguing that such an extreme price differential is justified. But the fact of a price differential of some sort is an unavoidable practicality of international business, and Adobe is a bad example to demonstrate that the pricing is abusive because Adobe's abusing everybody.

doppelgreener

@BESW oh yeah, no, in the inquiry, it turned out there was totally no justification at all.

Adeptus

@BESW So is Microsoft, and Apple, and Steam (or, some of the game publishers that release through Steam)

doppelgreener

The Adobe was pressed on another line of questions by the inquiry: "So, you have an Australian section of the site, with Australian prices. Then there's the US section of the site, where you charge US prices. But, as Australians, I see we cannot purchase from the US section of the site. Despite the fact the software's exactly the same, you force us to purchase from the Australian section for twice the price. Why is this?"

The best they could say was "we have to customise the experience to Australians."

@Adeptus and yeah, steam sells for crazily high prices in Australia too. They just charge for less than the physical stores.

Metool

If they were to reduce prices, what effect might that have...

BESW

01:09

The Dave Conspiracy would have to teleport them to the Moon.

doppelgreener

Metool

@doppelgreener ... what

BESW

> Butterfly in a cocoon-a!
This expired can of tuna!

wax eagle

plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gz5wb35ckeksyiotfyo7ysyzgya

hangouts link for tonight's game ^

doppelgreener

@Metool they find a magical keyboard that lets them do magic

and then they start teleporting things to the moon

wax eagle

01:20

@JoshuaAslanSmith and @MadMAxJr y'all around?

BESW

While I'm referencing this song about Celestia's habits.

Joshua Aslan Smith

@waxeagle yo

linke

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gz5wb35ckeksyiotfyo7ysyzgya

any of y'all wanna come join a 5e game for a night?

BESW

Normally I'd still have the caretaker for two hours, but her schedule changed this week so I have to be on call for my dad.

Miniman

01:43

@waxeagle I'd love to if I had net at home

doppelgreener

01:55

4d6

Dice Service

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doppelgreener

does anyone here use IE9 or below?

wait this is a userscript, this wouldn't work in there anyway

Miniman

@doppelgreener You're joking, right?

doppelgreener

@Miniman I wish I was

Miniman

@doppelgreener Tbh, if you'd said 'does anyone ~~here~~ use IE ~~9 or below~~' I would still have thought you were joking.

doppelgreener

02:04

@Miniman as of June 2014 statistics, there are more usages of IE than Firefox

(and signs are that that has always been the case)

Miniman

Thanks for crushing my faith in humanity. I really needed that today.

Been trying to set up a new Eclipse project, which always does wonders for my positive outlook on life.

doppelgreener

Hey, some of those might be IE10 or 11, which are actually pretty good. A lot of the remainder is people in office buildings with no choice in the matter because their tech teams can't afford to upgrade just yet. :)

Adeptus

@Miniman ugh. I tried to teach myself Android programming while I was off work. I partly blame Eclipse for my failure to make much progress.

doppelgreener

As of January 12 2016 though, Microsoft is changing its support policy and dropping support for most versions of IE. From this announcement, they'll only support the latest version of IE for any given operating system that they're (also) supporting.

That means IE8 and below drop off the map. IE9 is only supported for people on Vista, which corporate environments have avoided, and Windows Server 2008, which doesn't matter much because that's a server machine, not an end user machine.

For all the rest - more recent Windows Servers, and Windows 7 and 8, the oldest version supported is IE10 or 11, and that's going to keep moving forward.

For unsupported versions: no security patches.

That last bit is what will get the tech teams moving.

So, the browser landscape is going to change in a few years.

Adeptus

Have they dropped security patches for Windows XP yet?

doppelgreener

02:12

@Adeptus yes

A lot of companies started moving just in time, a lot are only now going "oh shit! we need to update!" and will get there in a year or two.

Adeptus

My work is about to update to Windows 8... when Windows 9 is slated for release next year...

Lots of people have said 8 is the new Vista. I'm hoping 9 looks less like it was designed for touch & had KB/mouse support thrown in as an afterthought.

doppelgreener

Windows 8 is the new Vista insofaras the designers screwed up. In fact, the lead designer left Microsoft shortly after release - and was probably asked to leave.

Windows 8.1 takes some steps back.

whoops, got distracted mid-writing that and that came out wrong

Windows 8.1 takes some steps back in the right direction

Adding back various features that PC environments needed.

Adeptus

I'm hoping Windows 9 takes giant leaps back in the right direction...

doppelgreener

It does.

Windows 8's lead designer seemed to think Windows 8 could tell people how to use their computer. "Everything you do should be fullscreen! Use your apps! It'll be great!" - but people on a PC don't work that way. PC users multitask a lot. A friend of mine had an early reaction to Windows 8 saying: "Nothing should ever be fullscreen."

This is a contributor to why the guy was laid off.

Also why people hated it, because that's not how it works.

@Adeptus Windows 9 still has apps, but they can run in a window on your desktop, i.e. it's how it should be.

Also they give you the option to have a start menu again instead of the start screen. It's kind of a hybrid between the two, because it's a start menu that also lets you have app tiles.

Those updates were originally slated for something like a Windows 8.2 update, but I can totally understand them wanting to abandon the Windows 8 brand and do a new version that doesn't have so much hate attached to it.

Adeptus

02:28

I've used 8/8.1 a little (as little as possible) because of all those things you just said

"Welcome to RPG General Chat, where one day we make up the rules of gourmet toast, and the next we bitch about software prices and versions of Windows!"

doppelgreener

I actually updated to Windows 8 primarily because of the start screen, and I've been pretty happy with it.

I only use a couple of the apps: Alarm and Reader.

(Alarm is really useful. I use it all the time whilst I'm cooking.)

BESW

02:45

@doppelgreener That script link is timing out....

Lord_Gareth

So, a customer did a variant on my Ravenlord archetype for Harbinger that turns it into a Spiderlord

"Part of my soul is a spider" "Prove it!" [Holds out giant-ass spider] "This is my soul spider."

doppelgreener

@BESW let's hope that's just temporarily.

afk!

Adeptus

03:02

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Joshua Aslan Smith

03:23

@Adeptus that was me five minutes ago criting my guiding bolt spell vs a wraith in 5e in @waxeagle 's game

Miniman

@JoshuaAslanSmith That guiding bolt is teh hax

Joshua Aslan Smith

ive actaully missed with it more than not

because cleric has MAD sadness

Miniman

I think it must be to make up for the crappiness of the only cleric offensive cantrip, and yea, my cleric player keeps missing too

Then she took the observant feat, and I don't even bother to have enemies make Stealth checks anymore

Joshua Aslan Smith

The paladin avoids it mostly he still has it but less spells are CHA dependant and a lot work as bonus action utility or adding to a hit

wax eagle

it's interesting to me that most of the cleric's early stuff is hit or nothing, whereas like all the wizard stuff is save for half

Joshua Aslan Smith

03:27

I originally that mad would matter less in bounded accuracy but I feel it matters more

Miniman

@JoshuaAslanSmith To be fair, a cleric only needs 1 stat to be a spellcaster. It's just that everyone wants the cleric to be a fighter too

wax eagle

@Miniman yes, and hte starter cleric is built that way

Miniman

@waxeagle Well yeah, the premades in the Starter just suck.

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith oh yeah, don't forget that your cantrips just caught up to your melee attacks (or are very close)

Miniman

@waxeagle Cleric cantrips can't even come near their melee attacks

Their only attack cantrip is Sacred Flame, which is Dex save for nothing

wax eagle

03:30

2d8 at +7 vs 1d8+3 at +5

(or better, 2d8 at 15)

@Miniman well...basically no cantrips have miss damage unless your a very high level Evo wiz

Miniman

@waxeagle Yes, but attack roll spells hit a lot more often than saving throw spells

wax eagle

@Miniman odds aren't that different

remember, high dex save means high ac too probably.

(or moderate AC depending)

saves do scale more than AC does though

doppelgreener

03:46

@Adeptus that was good :)

Oh wow! The name predictor now shows avatars. (Try typing @a)

Miniman

@doppelgreener That's pretty cool

Joshua Aslan Smith

Spell save of 15 vs +6 to hit?

2 str mod, 3 prof at level 5 and magic weapon for +1

doppelgreener

when I type @m, Mourdos has the special privilege of two avatar icons showing up beside his name. Is that just me seeing that?

also at that resolution, Mourdos's avatar looks like a ball of lightning. Except it's square.

Miniman

@doppelgreener Nope, me too

doppelgreener

So maybe a squircular ball of lightning from D&D 4e?

wax eagle

03:53

Maybe it's not choosing betweengrav and se yet

Joshua Aslan Smith

heh

doppelgreener

@BESW script's loading again

Joshua Aslan Smith

yeah I dont know I like the cleric in theory but Ive been underwhelmed in actual play

really hope the pally turns out different

Miniman

@JoshuaAslanSmith Like I said, the premades aren't great

Wait till you can make something better before you judge

Joshua Aslan Smith

I can judge via the math

they are using the array

you either have to max one thing or have both be meh

Miniman

03:58

@JoshuaAslanSmith That applies to every class, I feel like I'm missing your point here

Joshua Aslan Smith

Paladin and cleric have the widest stat requirements to be effective

as a wizard you use int for everything

str for a melee fighter

dex for ranged

dex for rogue

cha for warlocks

Miniman

Paladin can just max strength, most of his spells are buffs

Joshua Aslan Smith

monk and barb have a split but its not terrible, and monk's split gets fixed by the class depending on feature choices

@miniman depends on the type of paladin

Correction paladin spells in the spell list use cha

if you are making a spell save attack its going to use cha

BESW

@doppelgreener I get it too.

Joshua Aslan Smith

likewise if its an attack spell

@Miniman agree to disagree?

I mean Im giving it a critical eye because 5e is going to get compared to 4e and on the other end, dungeon world

from my perspective

as in why should I play/run 5e vs these two

Im still answering the question to myself

whoa its midngiht est, good night

Miniman

04:05

@JoshuaAslanSmith Cya, agree to disagree for now

doppelgreener

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Q: In the chat's @name autocomplete, a user is showing up with two avatars

So, this suggestion just got implemented: Show profile picture in chat autocomplete That is very cool, and I'm happy with it. However, there's a chat user who has the special privilege of showing up with two avatars in the autocomplete suggestions in the RPG Chat Room: I suspect this is a bug.

heads up, people might be popping in here to try it so we might have some visitors

BESW

Sweet! We shall lay traps for them, baited with cookies and laced with incredulous amazement.

Grubermensch

@doppelgreener Wow that is so strange

I can confirm the bug manifests on Linux Chromium

BESW

Yup, I've got it on my OS X version of Chrome 32.0.2.

Whups, typo.

@doppelgreener Sorry, that's 37.0.02.

doppelgreener

04:24

@BESW fixed, but on second thought i might not even need to report the version number

chrome's real version number is infinity

BESW

Heh.

Miniman

I'd make an anti-Chrome joke here, but it doesn't seem worth it.

doppelgreener

it wasn't a bug \o/

mourdos actually has two unmerged chat accounts (that will probably get merged shortly)

BESW

Clever, that.

BESW

05:04

@doppelgreener Tomorrow's session is looking like it'll be a lot of non-mechanical RP.

Miniman

@BESW Spoils everything

BESW

Oh, gnomes!

doppelgreener

@BESW i'm ok with this! :)

BESW

05:29

Hmm. Maybe I should throw in a bit of prep for after this scene, in case it goes short or we don't want to stop when it's over.

But I have no idea what you'll do next after this scene.

Also I think we kinda need Baily to continue.

So if we finish and still have time tomorrow night, we'll do something else. RFS, maybe.

Miniman

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Miniman

Now give me some shoes!

Adeptus

06:09

@Miniman You have no shoes?

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Adeptus

[laughs evilly]

Miniman

@Adeptus Of course I have teh shoes. But he said roll for shoes, so I did, and I rolled high, so where are my damn shoes.

Adeptus

@Miniman Curses! Foiled again!

Magician

06:35

Hrm. Goona try something.

Dice result: 1/4

Hah, not fooled this way.

NiteCyper

9ｄ20

doppelgreener

i see what you did there

(... though i'm not sure exactly what is with that d!)

NiteCyper

"You notice something amiss about the writing that no one else would because no one else bothers to put points in Forgery."

doppelgreener

hahaha

@NiteCyper also I apologise if I'm stressing you out; I'm in a sorta pressed state myself at the moment and I am not at my most helpful in this state.

BESW

07:17

@trogdor If you're okay with spoilers about who I plan for you to meet tomorrow, would you be willing to take a look at some NPC blocks and see if you think they're reasonable approximations of canon DF characters?

It's nothing you won't know five minutes into the session.

trogdor

mk

fine by me

BESW

Bottom two stat blocks on this document.

trogdor

lol

I am not entirely sure why the first one is currently in the NeverNever

not that they have no reason too so much as they probably are not very often

is the second one just a random sample of their race?

anyway, they seem fine

BESW

He's not the Eldest Gruff, if that's what you mean.

trogdor

yeah ok

I figured

I dunno if they all have the huge swords

BESW

07:28

Eldest is at least a Gruff with the Wizard mantle on top.

But since he ripped through multiple Denarians like tissue paper, I think he's got some extra mojo as well.

trogdor

I think Eldest Gruff is probably more than just a gruff with the Wizard Mantle

yeah

plus, he also had enough left to keep going afterward

BESW

I figure he's able to stack mantles up to 5 for some actions in some contexts.

trogdor

anyway, I think what you have there works

BESW

Am I missing anything?

trogdor

I don't see any flaws in it

BESW

07:31

I took the aspects from DFRPG, mostly.

trogdor

well, I don't think we are aiming for a full bio of the characters

plus, one is an at least relatively generic version of his species, and the other is a person who doesn't show up too incredibly often in the books, considering

I think you got everything you need down

BESW

Yey!

As for why they're there, let's just say it's not a random meeting.

trogdor

mk

I mean, I figured that, at least to some degree

there is no random reason for them to be there

that is why I mentioned it

BESW

Today in Wikipedia Talk Page Weirdness, I present: an eight-year-old debate about whether a particular set of HGTTG towels had text woven into them or printed on.

@trogdor Aye. Thanks for taking a look!

trogdor

07:47

@BESW no problem

BESW

09:34

@Mourdos You got merged!

Mourdos

No, I forcefully logged out of chat about four times and then it finally logged in with my correct account.

I've been merged for a while, just chat refused to realise.

But thanks for noticing :-)

BESW

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A: In the chat's @name autocomplete, a user is showing up with two avatars

There are two users with that name*. And when two users have the same name and are pingable in the room, then you can't ping one without pinging the other. And that's why in such a case, both avatars will appear inside the same autocomplete element. To be precise, they don't need exactly the sam...

Mourdos

But thanks for noticing :-)

Ah, I see.

They failed to merge me in chat :-)

Thanks for getting that fixed, was bothering me.

BESW

Hobbs did it, actually.

lisardggY

10:01

g'morning.

BESW

[wave]

Hey, do you know much about practical kabbalah or the like?

I'm trying to figure out a "vision quest" style encounter for a rabbi to represent his gaining supernatural faith-based powers.

lisardggY

There's an Ars Magica sourcebook for Mythic Judaism and medieval-style kabbalistic sorcery.

Hmm, seems I even have it.

A central tenet of Kaballah is the Tree of Life and the Spheres, each representing different ideals. A symbolic travelling between the spheres is a common path of enlightenment.

Sephirot

Sephirot (/sfɪˈroʊt/, /ˈsfɪroʊt/; Hebrew: סְפִירוֹת‎ Səphîrôṯ), meaning emanations, are the 10 attributes/emanations in Kabbalah, through which Ein Sof (The Infinite) reveals himself and continuously creates both the physical realm and the chain of higher metaphysical realms (Seder hishtalshelus). The term is alternatively transliterated into English as Sefirot/Sefiroth, singular Sephirah/Sefirah etc. Alternative configurations of the sephirot are given by different schools in the historical development of Kabbalah, with each articulating different spiritual aspects. The tradition of enumerating...

The spheres/sephirot are inherently connected by paths, which can stand for spiritual journeys. You can think about the entire journey to the Infinite, but the path between any two sephiroths can be a spiritual journey.

BESW

Hmm.

lisardggY

Let's see Ars Magica's intepretations of them:

> Yesod: Foundation.
> The ninth of the sephiroth, it is connected with two Divine names, *Shaddai* and *El Chai*, the former having the connotation of nurturing, the latter of life.

BESW

I'd been looking at the beinoni level in the Chabad levels of divine service.

My player is also interested in getting help figuring out how to describe/manifest his faith-based powers.

lisardggY

10:14

It might be interesting to note that Chabad and Chassidic mysticism isn't exactly Kaballah, though there are many shared ideas.

BESW

Ah, good to know.

We... aren't very well versed, or picky.

lisardggY

This is a modern-day game, right? Because Chabad is a 20th century movement, and the Chassidic movement and its mysticism goes back to the 18th.

BESW

@lisardggY He's the rabbi of a tiny town in the Arkansas Ozarks circa 1871.

His stats/bio are second down on this page.

BESW

11:23

Hmm.

Okay, so now I'm thinking about an encounter which represents his walking through the paths of the Tree and trying to master/manifest the Sephira he encounters. The ones he masters before the vision ends will be the action context he's supernaturally good at.

Does that sound... sufficiently not offensive?

Joshua Aslan Smith

12:20

@waxeagle looks like only 400 invites went out

Im guessing there was a big surge that first hour

though I feel like we shoudl be close to that number considering how quickly we jumped on

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith yeah, I'm kind of...puzzled at how few that is...I hope this thing actually works....I'll be honest, TDT seems to move super slow

Aaron

What's going on?

Joshua Aslan Smith

TDT?

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith trapdoor technologies, the company making Dungeonscape

@Aaron 5e tools beta

Joshua Aslan Smith

@aaron beta invites are slowly creeping out for the Dungeonscape app (Nee Morning Star)

Aaron

12:23

Ah.

Joshua Aslan Smith

They said theyve sent out only 400 invites but that 3k people signed up day one beta signups went live

me and wax pounced on it within 20-30 minutes of it being posted

So if we arent already in we should be very soon

wax eagle

400 is a deeply dissatisfying number of beta invites

Joshua Aslan Smith

Im getting the vibe I got with ascension where this is a company that knows how to program for apple (since they did the ipad beta first) but can't handle the challenges posed by the android market

I feel like making an app for the Apple App store is pretty forgiving in that there are only ever 2-3 different enviroments you are programing for and the differences are very very small

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith Yes, they've said their "engineers" are only experienced in iOS

Joshua Aslan Smith

facepalm

doppelgreener

12:27

I have something to share with you all:

►

an absolutely extraordinary ballet performance

Joshua Aslan Smith

So shake my head at WOTC/Hasbro for not making sure they had a fully cross-platform experience company

shake my head at trapdoor for not hiring an android expert contractor

wax eagle

I guess having it out and public by the end of the year would be a win. (basically coinciding with the completed release of 5e), but its definitely a disappointment that they couldn't manage to have a beta out to coincide with the PHB release.

Aaron

Question on how edits work.

doppelgreener

(also that ballet performance really is incredible ^ and it sure might look like the normal thing but eeeverything's fine)

wax eagle

sure

Joshua Aslan Smith

12:33

Modern Dance > ballet. Im not sure still if I think post-modern as a whole is below ballet or equivalent.

Aaron

Is there anyway that I can make sure that an edit to a question is peer reviewed? I have noticed sometimes my edits go right through but I want this one to be peer reviewed.

Joshua Aslan Smith

@aaron 2 ways

post it here and we can look over it

just submit the edit and the community will upvote/downvote or the edit will be reveresed if its truly terrible

@aaron I take it this is on another user's question or answer?

Aaron

ok

brb

work meeting just came up

question is here

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Q: How do I deal with players that do not put much effort on character background?

My group is, on its majority, is cnformed by young players that even tho we've shared Game Table for 4 years and are close friends of mine, have a tendency to make shallow characters and observe my NPCs "steal" the spotlight... However I have a player that over develops his character and makes th...

gm-techniques roleplaying

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My group is, on its majority, formed by young players. Even though we have shared Game Table for 4 years and are close friends of mine, they have a tendency to make shallow characters and observe my NPCs "steal" the spotlight. However I have a player that over develops his character and makes the rest of the PCs look "unimportant", not because he tries to steal spotlight, but because the rest of the guys never have ideas for character development.

How can I encourage my players to make their characters more in depth, speak more than a few lines, and become more active?

Joshua Aslan Smith

oh that's 100 percent fine lol

still dont think the question weill be reopened

wax eagle

@doppelgreener that has to be painfully hard for them to perform (I'm sure they had an amazing time doing it). Letting yourself not be perfect has to be incredibly difficult for ladies with that much discipline

Joshua Aslan Smith

12:48

I wish we could better mentor ardath lecarde

seems like a nice person

with some pressing and/or thoughtful question on the hobby

BESW

Has anyone invited them to chat? It's nice to have nice people in the chat.

wax eagle

I feel like we tried a while ago

they have a chat acct

Mourdos

See, that kind of question I know someone who can answer it.

Because I used to be one of those players

I still am, to a degree. But occasionally I surprise my DM

doppelgreener

@waxeagle yesss XD

as a friend put it, you have to master an art before you can lampoon it

BESW

Oh, @doppelgreener. Can we have a quick Skype chat tonight?

doppelgreener

12:56

@BESW yes!

i will be on soooon

Joshua Aslan Smith

@besw I have and they have come and workshopped a question

they were very nice in person

but there isnt a drive to adhere to our standards

sort of a lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink situation

Aaron

@JoshuaAslanSmith Would there be anyway I could edit it so it would be reopened? Or is that something the asker would have to do?

Joshua Aslan Smith

@aaron your edit may have already put it in the reopen due to edits queqe

hmmm no

yeah maybe thats only an owner thing

Aaron

I just saved the edits

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith edits should put it in the queue

Mourdos

13:08

I hate being beaten to the punch on posting an answer because I was adding in extra information.

wax eagle

@Mourdos usually that means the late answer is better

Sometimes if I know there is extra info out there. I'll push mine, and then edit it almost right away

Get them the right answer ASAP, source it in a follow up edit. Not ideal, but its a FGITW secret

Mourdos

Yeah, I was trying to decide if to do that or not. Hey I Can Chan beat me by about 10 seconds nad got 2 upvotes in that time :-)

MrLemon

@Aaron @JoshuaAslanSmith I just approved the edit, though I don't see it in the reopen queue

Joshua Aslan Smith

yeah I didnt see it hit que

MrLemon

There might be a feature that checks if the edit was major enough to warrant reopening

wax eagle

13:18

Yeah I was thinking about that

MrLemon

"Similarly, the reopen queue will contain any post that currently has an active reopen vote. "

wax eagle

@MrLemon Yeah, it's been updated since that was written. At least certain edits are supposed to kick posts into the queue..though It actually might only be OP edits

MrLemon

ah, it also says: "Questions which get edited within 5 days of being closed will automatically show up in the reopen queue for review."

wax eagle

When you go through the Queue, sometimes you'll see "This post has been edited"

Mourdos

I have the feeling @NiteCyper is building an invocation user.

Due to the ton of questions on such a topic.

wax eagle

13:29

Me right now: "oooh new email, hope it's @DungeonScape beta invite...nope." #tryingtobepatient #really #Iam #stoplookingatmelikethat

Tweeted by wax_eagle on September 26, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Joshua Aslan Smith

no yeah Im doing the exact same thing everytime my yahoo email ticks up

Aaron

@waxeagle So how did the # thing actually start?

Joshua Aslan Smith

are you asking for history of hashtags?

Aaron

Nevermind

wax eagle

@Aaron basically it tells twitter "hey this is something that might be interesting if other people click on it"

and it kind of memerolled from there

it's sort of like a foreign key when it's used for a topic.

Aaron

13:31

Ahhh

wax eagle

when you click on a hashtag you get all the tweets with that hashtag

Aaron

@waxeagle If I didn't know Data Base structure this wouldn't make sense but I do so that makes more sense than any other explanation I have seen.

wax eagle

@Aaron yeah wouldn't have used the metaphor if I didn't think you had the background for it :)

also DS favorited my tweet. slight squee

BESW

# dates from early computer use to denote important metadata.

Joshua Aslan Smith

The # symbol has significance in programming, and is used in website coding as well for CSS. # denotes a class, a grouping under a keyword for HTML objects,. web developers are nerdy categorical, kind of people so the usage of that same # to denote keyword categories makessense

wax eagle

13:34

yeah, and it's used in HTML for anchors which is not dissimilar

BESW

It was used in C, and then probably its first recognisable modern use was in IRC.

I believe it jumped directly from IRC to Twitter, and then expanded from there.

wax eagle

/me is trying to remember IRC uses...

I remember C, but I think I've used C more recently than IRC...which is sad

BESW

It was used for... like, channels and groups? With a number attached.

wax eagle

gotcha

Joshua Aslan Smith

sigh web dev at work trying to get me to care about info on a printing by locations info page on our site, cant bring myself to care because I was taken off as being responsible for that page without my knowledge and no one has said anything anymore to me about content editing for almost a year.

wax eagle

13:37

@MrLemon and @Aaron scripts had to run, now appears in reopen queue

MrLemon

yay, magic!

Also, # denotes comments in Python (just for completeness, not historical at all)

Joshua Aslan Smith

its a fairly common operator symbol

NiteCyper

So, due to the alternate form ruling, for example, bronze, gold, and silver dragons (who have alternate form) cannot cast spells in a form without "humanlike hands", no matter how similar their alternate form is to their draconic form.

MrLemon

Random interesting fact: # (hash/pound) != ♯ (sharp), unless you are talking about C#, which is technically C♯ (C sharp), but the spelling is officially C#

NiteCyper

C hash. C pound. C octothorpe.

C#ish.

C octothorpe almost sounds like a marine animal.

BESW

13:48

The C octothorpe is distinguished from its cousin the River octothrope not only by its preference for a saltwater habitat, but also by its appreciation of Hemingway.

Joshua Aslan Smith

its intriguing how much the intro for masterpiece theater has become a cultural artifact in its own right

Translating an LoL cinematic into Fate terms

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