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Mourdos

12:02

@NiteCyper Lurking is always better than not even being here.

NiteCyper

12:16

I don't think that the rules say that one cannot manifest powers (mental action) while asleep (helpless).

Mourdos

manifesting powers requires you to concentrate.

NiteCyper

@Mourdos Like the skill?

Mourdos

I do like the idea of a mental illness that caused you to manifest whle you sleep though

As per the definition of concetration. It requires you to focus on shaping the change. This isn't a RAW answer, but how can you manifest a power when doing so requires you to be thinking about activly doing it?

NiteCyper

@Mourdos But...but how can I answer a question that isn't about the rules? D:

Mourdos

In that case its also RAW that the DM can slap you with a salmon.

RAI

and common sense

NiteCyper

12:20

I have a knee-jerk reaction to the term "common sense".

Mourdos

You go: " I cannot find a direct reference in the rules but X would suggest "

kviiri

Common sense isn't common, nor does it always make sense.

Mourdos

Indeed.

Just like the rules.

NiteCyper

LOL

Mourdos

And almost every while wolf product.

NiteCyper

12:24

Aw what the heel. The unconscious condition doesn't say sleeping characters are unconscious, the Sleep spell only implies it, and the helpless condition lists sleeping beside unconscious. So, unconscious characters can't (fall) sleep, but sleeping characters can become unconscious?

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Aaron

Good mornin

BESW

@NiteCyper Welcome to the d20 System, how may we contradict ourselves today?

Mourdos

@Aaron Morning

kviiri

@NiteCyper Woah, that's rich.

Mourdos

@NiteCyper Snakes are subject to being knocked prone. I think Oozes are as well. Including the Gelatinous Cube.

Aaron

12:26

@NiteCyper I agree with how that is.

Mourdos

But not in PF. They fixed that one.

Aaron

Mostly

NiteCyper

@Mourdos I guess it's more like disorientation than "prone" (or "proning") in those cases.

BESW

@Mourdos "Prone" never really indicated a narrative concept in that system. It's a mechanical conceit with a narratively suggestive marker.

Aaron

@NiteCyper Someone who has been hit upside the head is unconscious. Being knocked out like that does not count as sleep and you cannot wake up easily even with loud sounds/commotion around you. While sleeping loud sounds will (Probably) wake you up.

BESW

12:29

Saying snakes can't be knocked prone is like saying Sneak Attack can't be used if the target is aware of you: the words make narrative sense, but only if we ignore the context that they're placeholders for specific non-narrative-bound mechanical conditions.

NiteCyper

@Aaron Makes sense.

BESW

But then, the d20 System is full of self-contradiction as it never could decide whether it was narrative-first or mechanics-first.

Aaron

The only part I somewhat disagree with is the part where you can't go from unconscious to asleep. If you were really tired before being knocked out when you would "Wake up" from unconsciousness you might just "Fall" asleep instead.

NiteCyper

@BESW "Standing up is a move-equivalent action", according to the "prone" condition, but they never define what standing up does or the condition of being upright/up-standing.

BESW

@NiteCyper That's a great example of their inability to discern or define the narrative/mechanics barrier.

Aaron

12:31

@NiteCyper Honest question. Isn't that self explanatory?

BESW

@Aaron Not in the context of a system which felt the need to define "prone."

"Here's a specific mechanical condition which can only be created by specific mechanical actions, but can be removed by an undefined narrative action."

Aaron

@BESW But prone is a disadvantage where as standing is a fairly self evident neutral.

NiteCyper

@Aaron Yeah, I'd say that it's self-explanatory.

BESW

@Aaron Um. In this case, standing removes a disadvantage which can only be placed through specific rules and rolls.

That's an unequal rules state.

Aaron

@BESW Ok. So you go from standing(Neutral) to prone(Disadvantage barring certain feats) and then back to Standing(neutral).

The standing condition grants the player +0 and -0. They could have added that but probably assumed players would understand that. (I just realized I sound snippy I think. Not meaning to, sorry if I do)

NiteCyper

12:36

One of my little treasured memories is that the Wreck Ashore adventure has panthers in it who have an interesting interaction between their starting HP and their combat behaviour.

kviiri

I dislike DnD for paying lip service to role playing while being very rigid in terms of mechanics.

Aaron

It's like in 5E. They have the advantage and disadvantage conditions but they don't have a condition for the in-between of those do they?(Just using that as example I don't know much about 5E)

Mourdos

@NiteCyper I will stab you if you use that word :-) #Disgust

BESW

Okay, I rescind my irk because they actually do define standing up in relation to being prone.

"Stand up" is an entry in the combat actions list, and its purpose is defined as removing the prone condition.

Is that rules-lawyer-y nitpicky of me? Yes. Am I justified in being so? Yes, in a system that encourages a loophole "it doesn't say I can't" culture of play and regularly forgets whether it's narrative-first or rules-first system.

MrLemon

@kviiri Finnish! I could hardly have been more off with my Guam-esque guess then :)

Mourdos

12:46

@NiteCyper Did you just say 'proning' again and then delete it? [shakes fist]

NiteCyper

@Mourdos No, you.

kviiri

@MrLemon Well, you got the planet right.

BESW

Also the hemisphere!

(Barely.)

Magician

Greetings. Would anyone care to try and work out with me a probabilistic equation for meeting an Intellect Devourer, inspired (to some extent) by the Drake equation?

BESW

[brain asplode]

Mourdos

12:53

@Magician I think I'll pass ^_^

Magician

@BESW That's the goal, yeah.

BESW

2d10

Dice Service

6

7

BESW

Sorry, my brain has already been eaten.

MrLemon

@BESW technically, every two points on a sphere are in the same hemisphere if you so choose :)

Magician

12:55

Fair enough.

MrLemon

I think 13 is a very good value for this question

NiteCyper

1d7

wax eagle

@Magician would love to

MrLemon

apparently, the dice roller does not support username-based dice

NiteCyper

7d1

2d.5

MrLemon

12:58

what would that even be?^^

BESW

@MrLemon It only does the D&D polyhedrons.

Magician

@waxeagle Should we retreat to, I dunno, 5e room?

BESW

XdY, where X is no greater than 9 and Y is 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, or 20.

NiteCyper

1d2

BESW

Dice roller & formatting tests playgr…

The roller supports: d4, d6, d8, d10, d12, d20. You can roll ...

Aaron

12:59

@BESW Is this a hidden room?

wax eagle

sounds good to me

BESW

@Aaron "Hidden"?

MrLemon

@Aaron it's right there on "Site Rooms"

Aaron

I can't remember ever seeing it before. Guess I just wasn't paying attention.

MrLemon

It's seems to only exist since the first of september

@Aaron @BESW @NiteCyper needs 2 close-votes before editing his question rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/48434/… so that noone needs to retract his vote :)

NiteCyper

13:04

I don't plan on doing it for half a day, so no rush.

MrLemon

You have 5 days from when it's put on hold, and it will prevent answers

wax eagle

actually hidden rooms show up with locks on them...

BESW

13:16

I would like to thank my knees for their wonderful support for many years.

Tweeted by SawbonesHex on September 25, 2014 at 1:10 PM

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NiteCyper

ｄ

Mourdos

Was that an attempt to see if 6 sized dice were the default?

1d

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Mourdos

HAHAHA

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Dice Service

13:25

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Mourdos

Wow. They are

BESW

Makes the fudge script easier!

MrLemon

@BESW Fudge script?

3dF

ahh too bad :)

BESW

Doppelgreener made a browser script which turns d6s into dF in the Fate chat.

It's just a reskin, so you type 4d6 and it churns out 4dF.

MrLemon

ahh, very nice

BESW

13:31

(or, as you just discovered, 4d.)

@doppelgreener [poke] You still haven't re-uploaded the fudge and typing scripts, have you?

Tim B

4df

4d6

Dice Service

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Mourdos

Dice Service: • • • • • • • • • • • • was what I got for this room on my notifications.

MrLemon

now I'm wondering if it makes a difference if I take 5*(1d6 -> fudge) or 5d6 -> 5 fudge

for 1d6 it's halve, round up and subtract 2

BESW

MrLemon

13:38

color coded for convenience!

Mourdos

Nice

BESW

Because Greener is awesome, the script includes an in-chat custom colour modification panel

wax eagle

@Mourdos yeah, the pipped dice are the result of CSS trickeration.

BESW

Mourdos

But if you favrite them, it shows up properly!

@NiteCyper is currently testing what seems to be every text format from fliptext to see if he can roll dice with them :P

I think

Joshua Aslan Smith

13:41

Guten morgen

@besw testing out fate dice in chat here?

BESW

Showing off, and wishing Greener would re-upload that script.

Joshua Aslan Smith

heh

doppelgreener

14:40

@BESW i haven't but i think i will do that now

MadMAxJr

@waxeagle I should still be on for 5E tonight.

BESW

@doppelgreener When I'm done with the DF playtest, I need to swear off premade franchise settings for a while. [bangs head against wall]

MadMAxJr

Limitations of a franchise setting or intrusive rules that try to preserve some setting gimmick?

wax eagle

@MadMAxJr awesome

BESW

The rules are expansive and useful; the setting isn't playing nicely with my plot.

I'm trying to stat up a franchise character for the PCs to meet.

Joshua Aslan Smith

14:53

@besw oh?

I guess Im very loose with DF's setting because Ive only seen the TV show

BESW

BESW's Spoil-Lair

CAUTION: High chance of plot. Not for BESW's players.

Joshua Aslan Smith

So its just Raymond Chandler noir with the occult/magic trappings

BESW

Close enough in tone, though perhaps not despairing enough.

MadMAxJr

Not innately familiar, which ruleset is this based on?

doppelgreener

RPG.SE Chat Fudge Dice

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I noticed it's keyed to only work in the Fate chat, so I'll reconfigure it to be enabled in other rooms sometime.

BESW

14:58

@MadMAxJr The Dresden Files are a novel/TV/comic franchise with a Fate-powered RPG published several years ago (before Fate Core, DFRPG was the representative flagship of the Fate engine). We're currently participating an an alpha playtest for a more streamlined version based in Fate Accelerated Edition.

Close votes, please.

doppelgreener

'any tips' really is a good mental cue to stop and think about whether the question fits here yet

Metool

@Murch @Grubermensch Greetings!

Murch

Hey there

funny thing. Studied all day for my Intro to Crypto exam with my student friends. Turn on the computer after they leave and have a look at Bitcoin.SE, and the first question is about a topic that was heavily featured in our studying today.

It's almost as if the topics we are studying have real-life applications. :p

MadMAxJr

15:17

RPGs have real life applications. Teambuilding exercises. :P

Murch

Yep, and again, I am in dire need to have one.

Luckily, we will play on Sunday

wax eagle

@Murch very nice!

Murch

@waxeagle I even attempted an answer! ;)

I should go shopping for food. I think I'll make Chili con Carne for tomorrow. I'll be having my moving helpers over for a little house warming party... but my chair is too comfy right now.

wax eagle

15:54

If anyone is interested we've got an opening tonight in our 5e game. 915pm ETD. We're playing the final dungeon of the starter set tonight

Murch

@waxeagle Online? Sounds fun, but 915pm ETD would probably refer to EST, right? That's unfortunately 3:15am here, I don't think I will be up anymore, nor up yet. ;)

wax eagle

@Murch aye. and EDT since we're on daylight, but yes, eastern time

yeah that's not a time of night I'd be interested in being up at either :)

Murch

ah, I was wondering if you actually meant "estimated time of departure" ^^

wax eagle

ah no...just juxtaposed my letters

Murch

I wasn't familiar with EDT, so I didn't make that connection.

We are on summertime here too, though, so should be the same 6 hours difference

wax eagle

16:05

cool...we just swapped our change dates a few years back and I can never remember when we're out of sync with the rest of the world who changes...soon I think though

MrLemon

I think the general rule is: You are almost never in sync

Murch

The whole thing is completely unnecessary anyway. At least I've read that some studies showed no significant reduction of energy usage and what not they had hoped to achieve with it.

Well, I am going shopping now

MrLemon

Allright (wave)

Murch

tty later guys. @waxeagle Have fun with your gaming.

MrLemon

I'm also gone for now

Joshua Aslan Smith

17:17

hello agian everyone

terribly busy at work today

Zachiel

17:31

I'm not agian, but hello nonetheless

Joshua Aslan Smith

HERRO

on lunch watching LOL vids

MadMAxJr

Listening to 'Welcome to Night Vale' on lunch.

Joshua Aslan Smith

Ive cooled on it after I listened to the live show episodes

Zachiel

@JoshuaAslanSmith League of Legend vids or just funny vids?

wax eagle

@MadMAxJr excellent way to spend a lunch break.

Joshua Aslan Smith

17:34

they were too casually self- referential in a bad fanservice way

wax eagle

I'm partial to them for road trips personally

Joshua Aslan Smith

@Zachiel gettin my runeterra fix, yep

MadMAxJr

@waxeagle Just a friendly reminder, dogs are not allowed in the new dog park. People are not allowed in the dog park. Please do not look at the shadowy, hooded figures in the dog park.

Zachiel

@JoshuaAslanSmith uh, runeterra?

Joshua Aslan Smith

@Zachiel name of the fictional world setting that LOL takes place in

terrible name for a planet/plane of existence

Zachiel

17:35

@JoshuaAslanSmith oh, I only knew the names of places on it

I'd like piltover if I wasn't almost certain Heimerdinger comes from there, given the theme

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith the 2nd anniversary ones? or the pay what you want live shows?

I haven't gotten to the other live shows yet

Joshua Aslan Smith

@waxeagle the 2nd anniversary one htat made it to the podcast

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith gotcha. I can understand that feeling. Are you referring mostly to the final results of the mayoral election?

Joshua Aslan Smith

nah I was fine with that

its just the callbacks in that were the easiest/already worn threadbare

wax eagle

gotcha

in some ways though I feel like you have to sort of go with the most obvious ones in a live ep though

Joshua Aslan Smith

17:41

undoubtedly beyond that in a more ephemeral sense I dislike audience response beyond applause at the end

wax eagle

fair enough. Definitely a more...rock concert type atmosphere than a serious play type

Joshua Aslan Smith

yeah

not my jim jam

especially because what I appreciate most about the show is its very specificity and requirement of high user investment

the live show season 2 finale felt like arrested development season 4

wax eagle

haven't watched it

(or any of AD at all)

Joshua Aslan Smith

so season 4 had a lot of expectation, but it sorta relied on playing on older callback jokes rather than developing new ones and it made it a less original, less "good" piece of work as a result

it felt like it was written for the casual fan or someone who heard about arrested development, not someone who's watched all 3 original seasons multiple times to find all the great hidden hints and callbacks that it became known for

wax eagle

makes sense. Both in why they'd do that and why that would be a disappointment

Zachiel

17:48

@Lord_Gareth The Internet has not enough good quality Cait x Vi fanart.

Joshua Aslan Smith

@Zachiel meh on cait

Zachiel

I concur. But... Vi!

Joshua Aslan Smith

love me some vi

she needs a roller derby skin

Aaron

imgur.com/gallery/w98sQ

So I have a question about Warlocks

What are they?

wax eagle

in general? think halfway between a cleric and a wiz

they channel magical power granted by making a commitment to something (pact magic)

Aaron

18:04

So a 'cleric' serving a (Insert powerful being here) but casting wiz spells instead of divine?

wax eagle

more or less

spell lists are different between the 3, but that's the basic flavor

some warlocks are bound to the stars, some elder gods, some the fey....

serve is the wrong word. Have bound themselves to is a better term

Aaron

Deal with the devil kinda thing?

wax eagle

yes

Aaron

Only not the devil in every case

wax eagle

exactly

Aaron

18:06

Huh

Interesting. So why was the class dropped in later editions?

wax eagle

huh? It's a core class in 4 and 5 e

(well not core exactly, but PHB1)

Aaron

Ah. I haven't played those

I have played 3.5 for a bit. Then moved on to PathFinder

wax eagle

4th had 3 different flavors with half a dozen pacts

Aaron

I am thinking of getting 5e. Haven't decided yet.

$$$$$$$$$

wax eagle

understandable

Aaron

18:08

I wish we could go back to the barter system sometimes.

wax eagle

amazon has the sourcebooks for about $30 a pop, but that's still a good bit when you need to buy 3

(or at least 2, I'm not willing to say the DMG is optional at this point)

The MM mostly is unless you want all the monsters

Aaron

Yea. I just don't have the money to sink into that hobby right now. I hate needing money sometimes

wax eagle

19:22

Someone just linked this on the Bones CAV ks. WH40k army units painted with MLP schemes: miniwargaming.com/content/…

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Aaron

19:44

@waxeagle That is impressive.

@BESW Would be interested I think. (See Wax's thing on the Bones CAV things)

wax eagle

speaking of which I haven't linked the Bones CAV kickstarter in a while. It's down to a touch over 48 hours left. kickstarter.com/projects/1513061270/…

shatterspike1

20:14

Are you serious

-1

A: Is there a legal way to get D&D 5e core rulebook PDFs?

Yes. You can go to a country that does not support the copyright monopoly. Once there you could legally purchase a copy of the PDF, or just go to The Pirate Bay and download it for free.

Aaron

@shatterspike1 Should I flag it as other or spam?

shatterspike1

It is technically an attempt to answer the question, I'll give it that. I'd flag as other.

Aaron

How does that guy have 3k rep and still posts something like that

shatterspike1

It's possible its a major political thing for him

No idea otherwise.

Metool

21:07

@waxeagle PHB isn't core?

MadMAxJr

21:21

I'm just going to wait for 7E at this rate.

BESW

23:38

Flag as spam.

movie reviewers saying children will be "put off" by creepy character designs seem to have a grave misunderstanding of how kids work

Tweeted by shoomlah on September 25, 2014 at 6:15 PM

wax eagle

@Metool I consider the "core classes" for at least 5e to be Rogue/Wiz/Cleric/Fighter the basic characters. The PHB is a core book but I don't think I'd call all 12 classes presented "Core classes"

Metool

Weird.

doppelgreener

@waxeagle what definition of "core class" are you using?

(since typically it has been "classes in the core books")

BESW

@doppelgreener A pithy one? [ba-dum tsh]

doppelgreener

@BESW haaa i get it

Metool

23:50

@waxeagle Is Bard not a core class?

You might want to call those the Big Four or something instead.

doppelgreener

yeah there might be some other more useful term since "core class" already has its definition

they're sure the most famous four, at least.

wax eagle

@Metool Bard managed to get itself left out of 4e's PHB1... :)

but Ok, so if core classes are the PHB1 then I guess the 4 BD&D classes are the.....um something else

Metool

Wait, what?

wax eagle

@Metool didn't show up til PHB2, we have a question about that

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Q: Bard removed from D&D 4.0. Reasons?

Are there any officially stated reasons why the bard was removed from 4.0 main class roster ?

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