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Mourdos

14:22

I just walked a friend through deadearth creation

He got a warlike lycanthrope with Lingering Death.

Aaron

I should roll up some deadearth characters. Is the info available online?

Mourdos

Jump to the deadEarth The Chargenning

Grubermensch

@Aaron "should" is an interesting word choice there

Mourdos

Its hilarious

Aaron

@Grubermensch Why is that?

Grubermensch

14:27

"should" implies that some external authority obliges you to do such

Aaron

Is anyone aware of a good race for a being that is a master of life and death? Something like a half Tiefling half Aasimar.

@Grubermensch It does?

Joshua Aslan Smith

master of life and death is an ambiguous phrase, do you mena like the "The Reaper"

Grubermensch

@Aaron definitionally speaking

Aaron

Actually I meant Light and Dark. The Life and Death I have not made yet.

Grubermensch

also i'm being literal because it made funny in my head

Joshua Aslan Smith

14:29

@grubermensch big philosophical question and a semantics one as well, should can mean both externally driven and internally driven

Aaron

@JoshuaAslanSmith Not exactly. This person can heal and kill.

Joshua Aslan Smith

Ought Implies Can

Grubermensch

@JoshuaAslanSmith But I, sir, am a Kantian

Aaron

Not very many reaper myths suggest he can heal as well as take life.

Grubermensch

ought does not imply can

Joshua Aslan Smith

14:31

are you disputing that Kant said that or disputing Kant's theory summed up

Aaron

I am using the spheres of life magic system. I am building a character with the Light and Dark spheres. They are able to manipulate both as they like. I am trying to find a race that would fit that theme.

Grubermensch

my interpretation of kantian ethics leads me to the possibility that you can have a moral imperative which is unsatisfiable, but that does not mean it stops being a moral imperative

see: Trolley problem

Aaron

Maybe a Dhampir?

Joshua Aslan Smith

what I mean simply is that recognizing there is an obligation (to an external authority, a moral code, or one's own nature) implies he can make a choice about it but also that where that obligation is derived could be external, internal or both

Grubermensch

two quibbles

1) a moral code is an external authority

2) you can't be obligated to your own nature

Aaron

14:36

Did I spark a philosophical debate by saying I should do something?

Grubermensch

dude it's cool this is awesome

I've actually been thinking about some of this for the last couple of days

Joshua Aslan Smith

A moral code could be both, I could adopt the tenets of a religion as well as form my own code after my various life experiences

Grubermensch

but the act of codification makes it external

not external in the sense of being from somewhere else, but in the sense of being distinct from the self

Joshua Aslan Smith

2) If your self-knowledge and critical thought is high enough you can in fact self-compel (FATE). when faced with a dilemma by examining the problem and deciding to make a choice that you feel is consistent with your previous choices and actions.

Grubermensch

but that is obliging to something external, in this case an ad-hoc code rationalized by examining one's own past

Joshua Aslan Smith

14:39

snarky fictional rebuttal:

Grubermensch

alas, reference falls flat

Joshua Aslan Smith

as any true philosophical argument we have reached semantics!

Grubermensch

to be fair, we started at semantics

good game, friend

Joshua Aslan Smith

the image is of judge dredd a character famous for his catchphrase "I am the Law"

But in a more serious sense he is an example of a character/person embodying an ideal and the writers over the years have played around with whether this is him supressing/submerging his "Self" in service to an ideal or if as a person he is only his self when acting as a judge in megacityone

@grubermensch For reference I count myself as a deontologist too

and Im big into Aritstole's virtue ethics as well

Grubermensch

virtue ethics is weird

my ethics is... complicated

Joshua Aslan Smith

14:44

I think the two work well, because virtue ethics takes care of all the edge cases that if you go full on categorical imperative cannot work

for example (not trying to spark a big political debate here people so please take this as a philosophical setup):

Aaron

So I am between a Dhampir and Drow. Any other suggestions for the light and dark user that are less known?

Joshua Aslan Smith

Police act to defend citizens

as part of their duty they may have to kill a suspect/perp to defend a citizen

kant basically says that if everyone can't do it morally its wrong

this is where virtue ethics steps in

Grubermensch

ehhhh not quite but go on

Joshua Aslan Smith

I know

Im like super shorthanding it

but in essence police and soldiers whose duties include actions that would be illegal and wrong for normal citizens to take are correct for them is a case for virtue ethics

by nature of their role in society they can and should operate against different moral standards

Grubermensch

you know, i kind of like this

i think i'll incorporate it in to my hacked-together ethical framework

Joshua Aslan Smith

14:48

haha

I try

Grubermensch

the problem with the categorical imperative is that it leaves a lot of empty spaces

Joshua Aslan Smith

Im also a big fan of the golden mean in greek (and also in eastern) philosophy

Grubermensch

virtue ethics is a decent way to fill them in

Joshua Aslan Smith

yeah

Grubermensch

now, here, we diverge

i am definitely an absolutist

Joshua Aslan Smith

14:50

hmmm

Grubermensch

more or less

it's complicated, man

but most people would describe me as an absolutist

Joshua Aslan Smith

thats fine, I alluded to this in my highest voted answer

52

A: Unhate-able Villains

The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions In the Screwtape Letters, Screwtape toasts at a banquet stating that all the best sinners were failed saints. Men and women with a powerful will and a strong virtue, such as justice or defending the natural world, whose zeal crossed the line or had ...

virtues in excess can be a vice in my opinion

only so slightly

@aaron sorry for ignoring you for a bit there

Aaron

It happens.

Joshua Aslan Smith

philosophy does break out quite often here, both @Besw and @waxeagle have great minds to talk with and I think theres a good scholarly/research tone that hums in the background here given the nature of our hobby but also the kinds of people that would use SE for rpgs.

Grubermensch

The problem I really have in ethics is anchoring.

Joshua Aslan Smith

14:54

@aaron so you were saying the character is great at healing with magic and also at killing people with magic?

@Grubermensch side question, are you a fan of batman?

Aaron

@JoshuaAslanSmith I am using the spheres of Power Magic addon for Pathfinder. It adds an alternate magic system based on spheres of magic. Two of which are Light and Dark. (I meant to say Light and Dark not life and death. Although I will be making a Life and Death character soon)

Grubermensch

@JoshuaAslanSmith as a person, or as a work?

Joshua Aslan Smith

@grubermensch character? but also concept?

Grubermensch

I wouldn't say I've read enough Batman to make a really good assessment

Aaron

I am making 9 wizards using this system each having 2 spheres except the leader who has 4 of them. The leader is a vampire with Creation, Destruction, Alteration and Conjuration.

@JoshuaAslanSmith Their races and personality should match their spheres as much as possible.

Joshua Aslan Smith

14:58

@aaron hmm there is probably some eastern stuff good for that, karmic balance, ying and yang. Western philosophy and cultural tends to not have someone embody both with exception that men are poised on the knife edge betwixt heaven and hell

Grubermensch

But I think it's an interesting idea.

My view is mostly from recent film Batmans.

Aaron

For example the Nature and War sphere is going to be a Killoren

Joshua Aslan Smith

one of my favorite philosophy collections (and it really deals with ethics mostly) is : amazon.com/Batman-Philosophy-Dark-Knight-Soul/dp/0470270306

Grubermensch

I prefer the development of the Green Arrow and Iron Man to Batman, at least as they have been presented in film/tv in the last decade or so

Aaron

@JoshuaAslanSmith Hmm. do they have any races that would work?

Joshua Aslan Smith

14:59

@aaron I have zero background on PF beyond helping you out with parsing rules available online

Aaron

@JoshuaAslanSmith I only use the online rules as well. Just looking for good race ideas right now. I can build everything else.

Joshua Aslan Smith

@aaron are they any races that are hard aligned to be lawful neutral?

Aaron

@JoshuaAslanSmith Not many races have alignment restrictions that are Hard set. Even Aasimar and teiflings are not hard set.

Grubermensch

I read somewhere some analysis that was "Bruce Wayne really is Batman, and if the world stopped needing Batman, Bruce Wayne would fall apart."

And I think while that's very interesting as a story, I find it a little tenuous and as a person I prefer the characters who can exist outside of their superhero identities.

I think this is one reason I found the ending of the Nolan trilogy really jarring.

Joshua Aslan Smith

@aaron does PF have Devas and Rakshasa?

or something similar

@grubermensch So depending one which comcics you read it can go either way

who's writing and what is in vogue in that era

and what that run of the comic might be in reaction to from earlier runs

Grubermensch

15:04

i guess there's also the fact that bruce wayne isn't the only batman in the comics

Joshua Aslan Smith

but basically Bruce Wayne as himself died that night in crime alley with his parents

when he makes his vow to war on all criminals as a child in the aftermath he essentially as a person chooses to become batman

Grubermensch

yeah, and that's the part that doesn't resonate with me

Joshua Aslan Smith

so Bruce Wayne, the public face, the personal person without a mission is an sense truly a facade

Grubermensch

i think if you look in comparison to the development of Arrow

Joshua Aslan Smith

New 52's "Batman" main title also has this going for it

Grubermensch

15:06

where Oliver Queen faces some similar (though not quite as severe) circumstances, that's something that I find more workable

Aaron

@JoshuaAslanSmith Yes but it looks like none of them are playable. :(

Grubermensch

because you see Oliver going off the deep end towards Batman-crazy, but then something happens to reel him back in and remind him that he is a person and he can't just shed that.

Joshua Aslan Smith

The extremity of batman's (and spiderman's) character forming moments is part of both the appeal and the logical reasoning (though they work from opposite ends)

Grubermensch

And I think ultimately that is a more interesting model for a character than "I am Batman and I am SAD"

Joshua Aslan Smith

@grubermensch thats basically what robin and Gorden do, but its not to say, hey youre bruce wayne still, but more to say, killing the joker would be breaking your own code and undermining everything you've struggled for

Grubermensch

15:09

@JoshuaAslanSmith which I feel is kind of weakening it

Joshua Aslan Smith

to go back though, in the face of the unrelenting dispassion of the world and a terrible act both characters make a choice to resolve those events from chaos into order

Grubermensch

Batman is held in check by his allies. Oliver Queen's allies remind him that he can be better.

Joshua Aslan Smith

Batman very rarely goes to that edge

Grubermensch

Incidentally, I think this is a real strength in the latest iteration of Spiderman movies.

Joshua Aslan Smith

right but green arrow's motivation for becoming a superhero is less strong

Grubermensch

15:11

The first set was very Batman-like, in that Peter Parker has a single defining bad event that drives the whole character.

Joshua Aslan Smith

I havent seen "arrow" but I know his various origin stories from the various comic ages

Aaron

I think I am going to go with Drow for the light/dark and Dhampir for life/death

Grubermensch

The new ones beat him up a lot more, but they also bring him back from the brink.

Joshua Aslan Smith

I love sam raimi spiderman and can't really be bothered to watch the new ones on the principle of a reboot coming so soon

@aaron sounds good, shame you cant play Deva in PF

Grubermensch

@JoshuaAslanSmith So is Iron Man's.

I think I prefer the character who have more agency in the whole being-a-superhero thing.

Aaron

15:13

@JoshuaAslanSmith Indeed. Is it a playable race in 3.5? I might be able to convert it to PF without too much issue.

Joshua Aslan Smith

in the comics I agree, I think thought that the film did a great job of giving tony stark a solid motivation and an epiphany

and then they pissed away all that character development in teh sequels and the avengers

Grubermensch

Batman and (pre-current movies) Spiderman seem compelled to be superheroes.

Joshua Aslan Smith

@grubermensch but Batman has complete agency, he made the choice, albeit it was a very very uniformed and wishful choice, but he made it and he followed through with a decade or two

I dont know that Bruce is compelled in Nolan's movies

ESR.MourningDove

Finally!

Grubermensch

@JoshuaAslanSmith That's.... not really agency.

Joshua Aslan Smith

15:15

at least not in his origin in Batman Begins

agency is making choices

the ability to choose

Grubermensch

But the way the character is, he couldn't have chosen otherwise. That's kind of the whole thing of Batman,

Joshua Aslan Smith

theres plenty of alternative otherworld stories where bruce never becomes batman

Grubermensch

He is so incredibly defined by the murder of his parents, that really the entire character is just a consequence of that event.

@JoshuaAslanSmith And here we run into my lack of canon knowledge.

I can only really talk to you about the Batman persona and his characterization in the recent movies.

Joshua Aslan Smith

I guess you see it as a decided outcome but I see it as a choice, possible the craziest and toughest choice he could choose to resolve his grief

So in batman begins he is completely and utterly lost, to the point where he decides that to shoot joe chill

hes robbed of that chance and he's chastised by rachel but really he hasnt changed

even after falcone threatens him and kicks him out he still hasnt changed or made a choice'

he runs away to examing criminality/find himself/beat up some thugs to feel good but he still, agian hasnt made THE CHOICE

ESR.MourningDove

Is this a conversation about movies/comics?

Joshua Aslan Smith

15:20

even when Ras trains him its not until the moment where he is forced to choose between executing the criminal or doing what he actually does that he begins to crystallize into the character of batman.

Focusing more on the nolan films since gruber is less knowledgable about the comics

ESR.MourningDove

Well, I'm just wondering, because I thought this was the 'RPG' chat room, not the movies and comics chat room XD

Joshua Aslan Smith

@ESR.MourningDove so you have a question you need help with?

we can talk about anything in rpg.main so long as users with rpg questions and needs are taken care of as well

ESR.MourningDove

Actually, sort of? I'm trying to figure out how to reword a question I posted the other day.

Joshua Aslan Smith

the only thing we cant talk about in rpg.se main chat is D&D 5e

ah okay on hold

Aaron

@ESR.MourningDove Link to the question?

ESR.MourningDove

15:23

I had asked for resources on building ConWorlds and ConLangs, but was told that it's to ambiguous / not relevant. but it is relevant... okay hang on

Grubermensch

I guess the Nolan films are more complex than I remembered

ESR.MourningDove

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Q: Good resources for creating ConLangs and ConWorlds?

I'm really interested in ConLangs and ConWorlds, mainly in creating my own, but it's terribly hard to get started in it, at least if you want a reasonably realistic world with a language that you can actually speak. I am hoping to find a few good resources for creating ConLangs and ConWorlds, I a...

system-agnostic

Joshua Aslan Smith

okay reading through it and the comments

@grubermensch yeah we can talk more about his later or maybe in THE BAR

ah okay so off-topic, basically questions about development of languages and fictional worlds are outside of scope, because even if you are going to use them for an RPG, the actual act of working on these world building exercises and asking us for help is outside of rpg.se's scope

basically if you made a world and then were asking how you could adapt it to fit a specific RPG we could help

but we cant help you make the world

ESR.MourningDove

ohh, I see thank you

so where would I put such a question?

Joshua Aslan Smith

Also the question's requirements/format would basically be seeking list answers and those are considered "not a good thing"

ESR.MourningDove

15:28

the worldbuilding.se isn't even beta ye

hmm

Joshua Aslan Smith

I would definitely sign up to support the world building site on area 51

Grubermensch

yeah I was gonna say worldbuilding.se is where it really belongs

Joshua Aslan Smith

and post you questions there as example questions

would help it get defined and made

ESR.MourningDove

okay, thank you

Joshua Aslan Smith

for what you need though maybe check out this google community

plus.google.com/communities/101345585942312694263

Grubermensch

15:29

@ESR.MourningDove Cartographers Guild might also have some things you'd want.

ESR.MourningDove

Okay, thanks!

Joshua Aslan Smith

grubermensch to finish up, he saves ras leaves asia and goes back to gothamand he decides to take on the symbol of the bat on that plane ride

its a a much more drawn out choice

Grubermensch

yeah

Joshua Aslan Smith

in golden age comics bruce is praying at his bedside before going to sleep and he vows"to make war on all criminals" and later as an adult states "Criminals are a superstitious cowardly lot" and decides to take the bat symbol

Aaron

@JoshuaAslanSmith The Drow works well. Even it's spell like abilities it gets grant both a light and dark spell.

pell-Like Abilities (Su): Drow can cast dancing lights, darkness, and faerie fire, once each per day, using their total character level as caster level.

Joshua Aslan Smith

15:34

@Aaron good

contrast this with Modern comics (1980-early 2000s) with the excellent Year One which is batman's origin for that period

Aaron

And an alternate racial trait eliminates that pesky light blindness.

Joshua Aslan Smith

they don't ever show his decision to battle crinimals but it starts in media res with bruce returning from a dozen years of training abroad with the intent to fight crime

he goes out to the worst part of gotham disguised as a war vet and wanders around looking for trouble, he steps in on an altercation between an barely teenaged hooker and her pimp, beats him up, the the other hookers actually fight to defend the pimp cops nearby respond and the one cop just straight up shoots him. He wakes up in the back of the patrol car bleeding and the police are talking about dumping his body since he has no ID. Bruce over powers them, the car wrecks and he saves them

from burning alive and then struggles to drive back to wayne manor before passing out. He makes it inside, he's lost a lot of blood and he sits there in his father's study staring a bust of his father and having a conversation with the memory of his father as he bleed out

He knows he has the skills but not the method to effectively fight crime and while alfred could save him with his surgical skills he would rather simply die if he can

*can't complete his goal, his promise (which again is not made in year one, but year one is referencing the golden age origin). He asks his father what he should do, a bat that made it into the house alights and lands on top of the bust of his father. Bruce then declares "yes, I shall become a bat" and rings for alfred to save him

Grubermensch

well then

not sure that's a ringing endorsement of batman's agency

Joshua Aslan Smith

haha

I was more trying to just give you the comics knowledge as best I could

Grubermensch

yeah i know

Joshua Aslan Smith

15:45

I mean my favorite batman comics do present it as a strong compel a duality of his personality that he chooses to inhibit and embody, not a fully made persona, but more the Dionysus side of himself to his own internal Apollo

Like he knows he could lead a normalish (for a billionaire) life and do things the way his father did to try to help people, but that instead he chooses to damn himself to sacrifice a normal life, for his war on crime ( which is a serious callback to western heroes)

btw more generally even if you are strongly compelled to do something again you can always choose not to, to stop it later, to walk away.

if you are tired of me droning on about my favorite character in all of fiction let me know

Grubermensch

nah i'm not tired there's just less for me to say

and I'm trying to draw up an index card FAE character sheet for my game this weekend

i think something that i don't see in batman is the conflict between the choice he made and the life he gave up

and maybe that's more prevalent in the comics

Joshua Aslan Smith

I mean he sorta gets that life as his "reward" at the end of the nolan films

Grubermensch

but i like superheroes who aren't convinced that they took the right path

@JoshuaAslanSmith that's just weird

Joshua Aslan Smith

that it is a reward or you mean the ending>?

Grubermensch

tonally it was just way off in my opinion

like the harry potter ending

Joshua Aslan Smith

15:53

its a pretty bold choice to end a batman movie with bruce wayne retiring from batman

in the books? I never saw all the movies

Grubermensch

in the books

it was just odd

Joshua Aslan Smith

harry potter ending felt like, hey if I want to I can write another slew of potterverse books based on their kids

Grubermensch

actually, same thing with the nolan trilogy

Joshua Aslan Smith

so Bruce/Bats managed to save gotham both physically and metaphysically and in the process bow out from his role and set things right in many ways

Lets be clear, I would love a JGL as a nightwing/2nd batman film

Grubermensch

I think my problem is I don't buy it

Joshua Aslan Smith

15:55

that he would walk away?

Grubermensch

yeah

like, have you seen the Bourne films

Joshua Aslan Smith

physically his body is no longer really up to the task

Grubermensch

DKR felt like the ending to the first Bourne movie

Joshua Aslan Smith

and in terms of the world, he was able to convince gotham to stand and fight and reject Bane's french revolution eventually

Grubermensch

which is of course followed up by the second Bourne movie in which things are not peaceful

Joshua Aslan Smith

15:56

Civic order has been restored (something he in party helped to damage)

Grubermensch

right that whole thing. that's what I don't buy.

it ties everything up in a nice bow

Joshua Aslan Smith

unlike the false victory ad the end of Dark Knight, its for real this time

Grubermensch

nope nope nope

wax eagle

!!!!!!!!!!!! enworld.org/forum/… !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wait no....that's just everything we've seen so far :(

Joshua Aslan Smith

bard

I hadnt seen the bard pages

wax eagle

15:58

@JoshuaAslanSmith d20 monkey had those on monday on the comic

Joshua Aslan Smith

ah

I stopped reading d20monkey because I get bored by his winter storyline stuff

and even before that (before the injury that delayed the winter storyline) he as doing a lot of non rpg related storyline stuff that I was pretty meh over

Mourdos

Does anyone here have maptools experience? Got a quick question.

Joshua Aslan Smith

ornor the pally nor the barb

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith gotcha, his curent arc is pretty cool, it's another Karthun arc

Joshua Aslan Smith

@mourdos whud up

hmmm might have to check back in

When hes on point for rpg jokes and world building I love it

its the best

Hello Critty

wax eagle

16:00

@JoshuaAslanSmith Dugeon Bastard had Barb yesterday, not sure who had the Pally first

Mourdos

Trying to put a <br> in a label and its showing up as this line instead of:

Trying to put a
in a label

Joshua Aslan Smith

that whole storyline where he goes killer gm

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith definitely. His Karthun and IGS stuff have been his best work IMO

@JoshuaAslanSmith that was good too

Joshua Aslan Smith

one of my favorite webcomics ever is every one freaking out about how his box uses dry ice to chill his dice so they "roll better"

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith that was great :)

Mourdos

16:01

Did that make sense @JoshuaAslanSmith

Joshua Aslan Smith

so in the arc one of the characters is upset at everyone for different reasons, he resolves to murder the party, they show up to play and hes wearing black robes and sitting in a high backed chair with skulls on it, and his dice box is covered with bones and smoking/sublimating dry ice is chilling the dice inside the box

Joshua Aslan Smith

16:19

my goal with PHB is to go full Avenger with the pally and see how it works out

the advantage it seemed to generate from the palytest would suggest you could spent more slots on smite and other spells vs self buffs

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith yeah, if you're going full avenger that should be a legit path

Joshua Aslan Smith

right in the playtest spells wise I sorta overlapped and lost some of the benefits

because I had spells to buff my accuracy

I also felt the normal pally spells that werent smites werent that great, instilling fear or a few other conditions were cool but they were ifffy and of limited utility

Grubermensch

facebook.com/scgruber/posts/10201438423202508

dice: the ideal structural element for everything

Mourdos

16:35

God does not play soccer with the universe, he just builds with them?

Play dice*

wax eagle

16:56

ok the invisible PCs make me squee a bit here: escapistmagazine.com/news/view/…

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Aaron

17:44

What is a good race for divination and Fate abilities? Angels are an obvious go to but I would like something less common and something PCs can play. Aasimar fall under the same thing.

wax eagle

@Aaron are Deva playable?

Joshua Aslan Smith

they are not

Aaron

@waxeagle Josh suggested the same but No.

Joshua Aslan Smith

from an earlier discussion for a different character question

wax eagle

gotcha, cuz that would be my 4e go to for that kind of ability

Aaron

17:47

I think I did see a 4e to 3.5 conversion for a Deva. What are they exactly?

wax eagle

@Aaron not quite angels :)

Aaron

So like Aasimar kinda?

wax eagle

@Aaron not sure

Aaron

Aasimar had a celestial in it's ancestry but is not as a parent.

wax eagle

@Aaron same wikipedia page for both, so yeah

Aaron

17:49

Oh. So Deva are 4es Aasimar

wax eagle

wikipedia tells me they are equivalent

Aaron

Hmm. Digs deeper into the Races

wax eagle

did not know that tieflings and deva are opposite ends of a spectrum, but it makes sense.

Aaron

Dives into 3pp

Joshua Aslan Smith

oh I didnt thin that

I thought fallen deva aka raskshasa were the opposite

wax eagle

17:51

@JoshuaAslanSmith that would be fallen, not oppo from birth

Deva - angelic heritage
Tiefling - demonic heritage

Joshua Aslan Smith

@waxeagle but rashaka are a different race

if a deva "falls" they are reborn as a rashaka

dandwiki.com/wiki/Rakshasa_%284e_Race%29

they are evil tiger humanoids

wax eagle

gotcha

Joshua Aslan Smith

this is obviously not an official source is a homebrew PC race for it but the actual story of it is true

in 4e

Ive read about them elsewhere, basically keeping in line with western ideas about demons being fallen angels

Arkhaic

18:43

AAAAAgh dandwiki.

My poor eyes.

Anyone online?

Joshua Aslan Smith

yesh

and yeah dandwiki is bad also a text crime

my mind also changes it to dandy-wiki

Arkhaic

Dand wiki screwed me over when I was trying to learn D&D.

Joshua Aslan Smith

its not explicit about its homebrewness

so yeah ....

Arkhaic

Yeah.

Joshua Aslan Smith

Arkhaic

18:46

Also, sometimes it's homebrew isn't homebrew, but actually illegally copied text from actual books.

Joshua Aslan Smith

ah yeah that too

Arkhaic

Just to muddle things further.

Joshua Aslan Smith

I generally avoid ever pointing anyone there ever it was just the first place I could find a rakshasa link

they're in the fiction of 4e but not a very big part so its hard to find exact sources

Arkhaic

Do you have any citations in pathfinder about targeting Type (Augmented Humanoid, other subtypes) creatures with Enlarge Person?

I have some from 3rd edition, but I can't find anything of the sort in pathfinder save for the rules text there not actually changing.

Joshua Aslan Smith

hmmm im the wrong person to ask that

Arkhaic

18:59

Who's the right person?

Joshua Aslan Smith

no one here, I dont play 3, 3.5, or PF at all, never had

If its a serious issue post it as a question, itll get eyeballs

Arkhaic

It is a question.

Joshua Aslan Smith

ah okay

so you were just doin a little side job for it

Arkhaic

I'm trying to figure out why SevenSidedDie thinks it works otherwise.

Joshua Aslan Smith

I respect that

you can @him here and hell get notified about it and can respond

if you are looking for a more lengthy explanation

Arkhaic

19:08

@SevenSidedDie: We should probably take the type discussion in here

Not sure if that worked right.

Joshua Aslan Smith

19:21

edit it and remove the colon

right now its reading that as part of the name

@Arkhaic try it again but without ":" at the end right now its reading that as part of his name

Arkhaic

@SevenSidedDie we should move this in here

If he shows up, can I tell him that I'm fixing computer issues? Grr, logitech...

Joshua Aslan Smith

19:57

peripheral devices?

uh yes you can communicate general stuff

I had a long discussion about batman and philosophy earlier

the guideline is stay on topic for RPGs when someone needs help or there is already an active rpg discussion going on

but in general anything goes so long as you aren't being a troll or anything like that

BESW

20:39

@JoshuaAslanSmith ....which term?

You guys talked about Batman without me!

[reads]s

pet

20:59

@waxeagle aww, can't today, but i would love to give 5ed a try, also want to try pathfinder once..

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