Root Access

Bob

00:57

@OliverSalzburg That is a weird requirement :P

Journeyman Geek

@OliverSalzburg: which part of croniness is the problem?

there's a half dozen cron replacements

@OliverSalzburg: maybe use the at utility and seriously ugly scripting? at 9AM script.sh and have script.sh run a script that resets the script for 9AM at 10AM?

also news.slashdot.org/story/13/03/19/029219/…

OHHHH

Journeyman Geek

01:12

have you guys seen the new Mac pro?

gizmodo.com/apple-is-making-badass-new-mac-pros-512324822 when it breaks, its a trashcan

@BenRichards TOTALLY worth it

Journeyman Geek

01:37

needs more flags! superuser.com/a/606122/10165

Bob

01:54

@JourneymanGeek wat

> up to 12-core configurations

...that's so special!

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: actually reminds me of a cray

Bob

> Doesn't get more taxing than Pixar.

Journeyman Geek

and I THINK they used mini PCIe for the graphics cards

Bob

Not sure if serious.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

01:56

@Jou is that article serious? O.O

Journeyman Geek

yup

Bob

easy access?!

Journeyman Geek

well it is easy access

Bob

> But the new circular design means the new beasts are 1/8 the volume of the last iterations, while still allowing easy access to the guts for breezy-fast hardware upgrades.

I do not understand.

Journeyman Geek

assuming you wanted to swap out the apple proprietary parts

Bob

01:57

@JourneymanGeek Yea, if you find sticking your arm into cramped spaces 'easy'.

Journeyman Geek

I'm guessing the author was an apple fanboy

naw, you pop out the whole top

Bob

The 'reduced volume' still makes no sense.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

The only thing I can think of is cooling.

And that guy does not mention cooling at all.

Journeyman Geek

its 3 rectangular daughterboards around a central, massive heatsink

with a HUGE fan which sucks in air from the bottom to them

Bob

01:58

I wonder if Apple is trying to tell us something with the new "rubbish bin" Mac Pro.

Journeyman Geek

XD

Its probably a great system until it breaks

or you need massive amounts of storage, and don't want to use t-bolt or a SAN

Bob

They're trying to fit what might very well be a server-class machine into a fancy case.

Journeyman Geek

pretty much

Bob

Horrible waste of hardware...

Journeyman Geek

well workstation

storage is... kinda limited

(and expensive)

Bob

02:01

Ya. Hence the waste of hardware :P

Journeyman Geek

I do have a bias towards standards compliant systems I guess

Bob

These are (Apple) standards compliant.

Journeyman Geek

lol

also forget about internal sound cards if you need midi

Bob

See, it's using the standard Apple ® Mac Pro ® Super Cool Awesome ® Rubbish Bin ® form factor!

Journeyman Geek

(tho, nowadays there's actually dirt cheap midi capable DAWs)

lol

@Bob: I'm wondering if the PCI-e ports are standard mini PCIe

but I doubt, apple uses non standard msata already

Bob

02:04

> We'll just make our own standards!

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

(Insert Bender meme image here)

Journeyman Geek

Fortunately, the charging one has been solved now that we've all standardized on mini-USB. Or is it micro-USB? Shit.

actually no

Bob

Covers everyone's use cases?

Quite the opposite.

(then there's that Apple lightning-to-HDMI adaptor. the one that has an ARM chip inside, and the shitty H.264-compressed output)

Journeyman Geek

Bob

02:08

??

Journeyman Geek

( I assume that linking an xkcd comic before hand would cover attribution. Especially for a one off gag. Else, this statement should.)

XD

@Bob: lightning is just wierd

"lets go into a lot of trouble so folk can connect a connector either way

cause using a keyed connector is obviously too much work

Bob

@JourneymanGeek What? The xkcd comic oneboxed anyway.

Journeyman Geek

lol

look closer

Bob

@Jou don't forget, that lightning-to-HDMI adapter can't even manage 1080p last i heard

@JourneymanGeek Ah, I see.

I'm on mobile :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

oops

Bob

02:12

Well, mobile in a tiny FF window :P

> Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning hands down.

Journeyman Geek

02:28

lol

vexxarr.com/archive.php?seldate=052713 "Sneak Attack, Evolution never sees it coming" needs to be on a t-shirt ;p

Seth

03:00

HackToHell

03:11

steamcommunity.com/market/search?q=unusual Unusual items in tf2 are costly @_@

HackToHell

03:54

trollthensa.com

Journeyman Geek

hm

Seth

ditto that.

KronoS

04:15

CAn somebody try to download the current version of Java JDK? The link doesn't seem to work

Journeyman Geek

@KronoS with or without netbeans?

ya, its borked

Leathe

04:58

mornin' (evenin')

HackToHell

I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn’t work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness. ~ Emo Philips

Tweeted by ComedyCentralIn on June 11, 2013 at 4:56 AM

Leathe

05:12

:b

Bob

05:53

...

And this is why you don't order machines with 4 GB of RAM.

It was at 82% 'used' when the warning appeared... never seen that before.

Then ProcMon crashed. Then FF crashed..

Leathe

:F

yeah. 4GB is not enough for anything these days

Bob

:p

Work machine. It's got a nice beefy i7-3770 in it, with 4 GB of RAM... -_-

Leathe

I'm waiting for the day when Windows++ requires 20GB of ram and everyone is Internet

Bob

They even put a 7470 in it for Christ's sake.

Why all this crap? Why not more RAM? -_-

Oh god. Some guy on Toms Hardware. March 2013.

> 12gb or ram is an overkill. you need 4 to 8 gigs so you're paying for extra memory that will not be utilized. build your own computer...if you need help tom's members will make you a list of compatible parts and give you pointers on how to build your own pc

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

06:01

1. Memory is cheap.

2. Memory speeds things up.

Journeyman Geek

excess memory can be used for caching

Bob

3. Memory lets you run more crap before things start crashing.

4. Memory is cheap.

Did I mention the low price of memory?

Journeyman Geek

XD

@Bob: I think my argument for 16 gb was

nhinkle

I have 24 GB of RAM in my desktop and have yet to max that out.

And 8 GB in my laptop, which I rarely hit.

Journeyman Geek

"its cheap. I can use dual channels. If I want to upgrade, I need to add 2 more sticks"

nhinkle

06:02

Four though? That's a bit uncomfortable.

Bob

It gives the biggest performance per dollar improvement.

All my machines are on 8 right now.

nhinkle

@Bob ehh, that honor arguably goes to SSDs

HackToHell

sigh have 2x 2 GB sticks but I can use only 3 gb :/

Bob

It's comfortable, though I'm considering pushing the desktop to 16.

@nhinkle SSDs are expensive, though.

Journeyman Geek

@nhinkle: I disagree

Bob

06:03

And you won't notice it most of the time.

Journeyman Geek

you can build a nice fast system without an SSD

Bob

SSDs have the most effect when cold starting the system and programs.

Journeyman Geek

and SSDs trade off another useful thing

Bob

Once started, RAM cache is much faster.

nhinkle

I guess it's an issue of diminishing returns. If you have only 2GB of RAM, adding another 2GB will make a world of difference. If you have 6 GB of RAM, another 6 won't help you as much as moving from a 5400 rpm drive to an SSD.

HackToHell

06:04

What RAM cache programs do you guys use ?

Bob

@HackToHell Windows.

Journeyman Geek

@nhinkle: I do have an old system with 2gb, does ok. other than the hard drives dying.

nhinkle

@HackToHell Microsoft Windows.

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell: the 'built in' caching of windows

16gb is just enough overkill for me ;p

nhinkle

Anyhow I need to get to bed... 'night folks.

HackToHell

06:05

heh, bad terms again :|

Bob

@nhinkle Again, it's an issue of whether you're accessing cold or hot (was the term "warm"?) data more often.

Hennes

I would use 'hot' data.

But that is just based on agut feeling.

Leathe

@HackToHell 32-bit OS eh? :b

HackToHell

@Leathe yes :'(

Bob

@nhinkle night

ARGH STUPID TOMCAT WHY WON'T YOU WORK

@Hennes I guess I might be confusing it with a 'warm cache'.

It's closely related anyway.

Leathe

06:15

nnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

my ice-tea carton is leaking

Hennes

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeSssssssssssssss! ;-)

Ice tea carton. As in a drink?

Geek mode: First thought was Iced-Tea (java)

Leathe

yes, as in ice-tea, the drinkable kind

HackToHell

Isn't ice-tea tea + ice ?

Journeyman Geek

lol

Leathe

oh, apprently it's supposed to be "iced tea" then

Hennes

06:17

But what is you make ice from tea. :)

Leathe

BUT THAT'S IRRELEVANT. IT'S LEAKING

AAAHHHH

HackToHell

lol

Bob

@Hennes My hatred for Java has grown by leaps and bounds today.

A lot of it due to Tomcat.

Hennes

Thank Oracle

HackToHell

@Bob it's tomcat's fault ;p

Bob

06:19

@Hennes I'm not sure if it's Oracle or Apache's fault, at this point.

Leathe

oh god, Tomcat

Bob

Ya.

Leathe

yet another thing I will never touch.

Bob

D:

HackToHell

GAE is better ;p

@_@

Hennes

06:21

Anyway, I got to run.

HackToHell

steam has way too many copies of tf2

And dota 2 does not appear in my libraray

Even though it's there

Must figure out what to delete

fuck there are two copies of dota 2

Leathe

that reminds me, I need to play more Torchlight 2

HackToHell

Oh great bitcoin's block information file is 200 mb

and it's index file is 100 mb

Leathe

you have two Team Fortress 2's in there o.O

correction: 3

ah, one of them is in backups

HackToHell

And i have tf2 gcf's in there

Two copies of dota 2 too

The downloading folder has another copy of it

Wow, I have 5.1 gb of Windows Updates

HackToHell

06:46

Steam ._____.

forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=894754

Bob

07:01

Hmm.

4 TB HDD for $190... (@Jou)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: the 5900 RPM seagate?

honestly? god I'm tempted ;p

nbcdfw.com/entertainment/the-scene/… All I have to say is. LET THE WOOKIE WIN.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek It's a ST4000DM000

So... 7200 RPM?

Journeyman Geek

ooh nice

barracuda

then yeah, its cheap ;p

Bob

megabuy.com.au/…

Journeyman Geek

hm, no

seagate.com/files/www-content/product-content/barracuda-fam/…

its the right price ;p

Bob

07:11

Actually, I'm not sure if it's 7200 or not.

@JourneymanGeek right price?

Journeyman Geek

the only 4tb drive seagate has the 5900 rpm drive

ya, that drive's pretty much the cheapest 4tb drive there is

Bob

lol

I'll stick with 2x2TB

It's cheaper, too.

Worst case, get a caddy or three.

And maybe a PCIe SATA card.

Journeyman Geek

lol

and slightly more reliable

hmm

blah, choices, choices ;p

hmm, the price I'd end up paying is ~235SGD

more smaller drives seems tempting

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Where?

Journeyman Geek

but no hardware this month, I'm nearly broke

local store ;p

Bob

07:17

lol

Journeyman Geek

laser.com.sg/price.pdf

Saladin

hey guys

if i need to delete a specific directory rm /path/to/directory/*

can i run the same command as above while still being in that directory

or i need to be at root

Journeyman Geek

I'd personally run it one level about the directory.

its safer

Bob

@Saladin create a temp folder and try it to find out? :P

Journeyman Geek

if you add a space in the wrong space, WHAM, nuked systen

Saladin

07:24

hmm

Bob

@Jou arguable - sometimes, an absolute path is safer. sometimes.

Both have their caveats.

rm is a dangerous tool.

Saladin

what other way i can remove anything from directory

winscp?

Journeyman Geek

@Saladin: also, consider the use of rm -rf (CAREFULLY CAREFULLY CAREFULLY)

Did I mention carefully?

Saladin

but I'm not using the rf switch

Journeyman Geek

@Saladin: yeah, remote access might be a good idea if you have no clue what you're doing

Saladin

07:25

i dnt want to remove any sub-directories just files

Journeyman Geek

I prefer cyberduck to winscp

Saladin

well i do have a clue but you guys scared me:(

Journeyman Geek

XD

@Saladin: with good reason!

Saladin

lol

i know thanks @JourneymanGeek and others

Journeyman Geek

I don't want to be that guy

Saladin

07:26

lol

Journeyman Geek

I was SUPPOSED to be spring cleaning the blog trello board

keep getting asked to help mom with baking buttermilk fantails ;p

hmm, actually kinda done

Bob

07:46

How do answers like this get through? tsk, tsk, SO...

Oh wow.

> The closest solution i can think of is to use Office's COM object to convert html pages to word documents, and then convert the word documents to JPEG(or other image) files.

That... NO

Leathe

It's even upvoted

Journeyman Geek

Its SO ;p

Oliver Salzburg

10:20

@JourneymanGeek That's what I was wondering as well, I was referring to a question btw: superuser.com/questions/605759/…

Bob

10:35

@OliverSalzburg o.OO

HackToHell

sigh whatsapp does not work :|

Journeyman Geek

@OliverSalzburg: answered ;p

Oliver Salzburg

I really like stuff like this

0

Q: How do I grans permissions to an installer (no "run as admin" mode)?

I'm trying to update my Tortoise client but when I run the file (I'm logged in as an administrator), the process fails because it can't write to .../bin directory. When I right click the mouse, there's no option to run the file as an administrator. I've also tried runas.exe (didn't start the ins...

Where the answer has nothing to do with the question

Journeyman Geek

lol

Oliver Salzburg

...but is probably (and hopefully) the one that solves the problem

Journeyman Geek

10:46

lol

might help to say why exactly that helps? ;p

Oliver Salzburg

Never! My time is too precious to give context :D

Yeah, I guess I should

There

HackToHell

Oh great ! I have to use a different APN to get Whatsapp working -_-

My mobile service provider has two APN called gprs and internet, apparently whatsapp works only if the connection goes through internet

And facebook messenger finally works -_-

Bob

11:16

Hm. Xbox One, $499. PS4, $399. Xbox has the advantage of letting you watch TV on it (after waving your arms wildly for half a minute), while PS4 has just about every other advantage. HMMMM.

Journeyman Geek

lol

I'll stick to my PC ;p

Bob

XD

Exactly.

PC wins over both in everything but maybe one or two exclusive games.

HackToHell

11:47

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

One commenter:

> The whole benefit to the Mac Pro was how expandable it was on the inside and just how much a tank it was.

Wait. It was expandable?

Journeyman Geek

actually, yeah

it had standard HDD bays, and PCIe (maybe pci) ports

it was supposedly a pretty competent workstation

Bob

@JourneymanGeek That's enough to qualify as expandable now?

Journeyman Geek

from wikipedia

For internal expansion the current Mac Pro has four PCI Express (PCIe) 2.0 expansion slots. The 2008 model had two PCI Express (PCIe) 2.0 expansion slots and two PCI Express 1.1 slots, providing them with up to 300 W of power in total. The first slot is double wide and intended to hold the main video card, arranged with an empty area the width of a normal card beside it to leave room for the large coolers modern cards often use

thats about as good as most desktops

the new mac pro? no, zip, nada

unless you want to run a video card or storage off t-bolt

I'm talking about the cheesegrater mac pros, not the trashcan....

Bob

11:54

@JourneymanGeek What, just like the HDMI renderer in the lightning cable?

Journeyman Geek

you can get a thunderbolt to PCIe adaptor in theory

no idea if it has a full x16 bandwidth, and would cost a lot

the old models have real PCI-e slots ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek It maxes out at 10Gbit/s over copper.

Journeyman Geek

lol

I think someone was smoking something interesting when deciding to dump all the legacy ports ;p

Bob

PCIe v1 x16 would give you 96Gbit/s.

Journeyman Geek

didn't say it was a good idea

Bob

11:57

@JourneymanGeek PCIe is legacy now?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: apparently it is to apple!

those seem to be some wierd varient of the mini ports

Bob

Well, they're off in their own world, with their own standards.

Journeyman Geek

once again

I swear they must have gotten inspired by cray's old benches

Bob

The only difference between them and MS of the 90s is they haven't been sued over it yet.

They're just doing the suing.

Journeyman Geek

blah

Bob

11:58

lol

Better:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CRAY_X-MP_IMG_9135.jpg

Journeyman Geek

actually, there's a lot of similarities

that design was also so they could cool efficiently

Sathya

12:13

0

Q: Why are the tags "directory" and "folder" configured how they are, and not reversed?

Why was folder chosen as the authoritative tag and directory made the synonym instead of the other way around? Directories are always directories in filesystems. A folder is an almost-cardboard thing with a crease in it, used for holding papers and other stuff. I understand trying to make th...

discussion

meh

Bob

@Sathya I actually agree it's reversed :P

Not sure if it should be changed, though.

Leathe

I feel like "folder" is just a more used term

Bob

I mean, are we going for correctness or familiarity?

@Leathe Exactly. But, it's not the technical term.

Even better.

24

A: Directory vs. Folder

As seen in this question, they are not the same. Authoritative answer given by Raymond Chen: Windows 95 introduced Windows Explorer and along with it the term folder. What is the relationship between folders and directories? Some people believe that Windows 95 renamed directorie...

Sathya

@Bob I'm with you, but we're splitting hairs here

Bob

Basically, when dealing with Explorer, it's a folder. When dealing with the FS (e.g. msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.io.directoryinfo.aspx), it's a directory.

@Sathya Yea, not sure if it should be changed.

Also not sure how difficult it would be to change.

Most wouldn't care.

Most of the time it makes no difference.

Sathya

12:18

just a click to get it reversed, but I'm still not sure I see the point. Type directory, see folder. Vice versa

Bob

Eh, if one is feeling nitpicky.

I honestly don't really care, but I'm all for correctness. Still, who's to say one is more correct than another in this context?

(though I haven't heard anyone call the Control Panel, or Printers dialog, a folder yet :P)

Sathya

oh well, will wait for community votes & act accordingly, if someone's not done it by then

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Moshe

13:01

Hey, I know this is an iOS 7 question, but I don't have any site to ask it on, so here goes:

After installing the iOS 7beta on my iPhone, and restoring a backup taken with iOS 6, several apps get stuck in "waiting" mode. They are actually installed, and using spotlight to search for them allows them to open. Is there any way, short of editing the springboard plist, to fix this? I've already rebooted.

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13:16

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Q: fit-two-pages-on-one-page-in-ms-excel-when-printing (Excel 2010)

In answer to the question Is there a way to fit two pages on one page in MS Excel when printing? I have a further question, please. My Excel page has 15 (fairly narrow) columns left to right, in Arial narrow size 8 there are 77 pages. We would like to print 30 columns, i.e. two 'pages' A4 (abou...

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what the title?

Duikboot

13:49

hello :-)

HackToHell

13:59

hola

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