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Journeyman Geek

02:04

morning!

Cyclone

02:49

Idea: I clone my hdd onto my ssd. I delete off most programs from the ssd. I upgrade the ssd's os to win 8, and then from win 8 I reset the OS and start off clean

Does that work?

allquixotic

@Cyclone what's the point in doing that?

Cyclone

Get win 8 onto my ssd.

allquixotic

@Cyclone why do you need to reset the OS? I just don't understand what you're trying to achieve that can't be done in a simpler way

if you're going to reset the OS, you'll lose everything, so you may as well just install Windows 8 fresh on the SSD and copy over any data you need

Cyclone

Problem is my school only offers a free upgrade, not the whole OS

so if I clone my existing OS then I have a copy of win7 I can upgrade.

allquixotic

@Cyclone you can use an upgrade key to install the OS fresh

Cyclone

02:56

You can? How?

I'd much rather do that

But on the page it says "this is for an upgrade only you must have a preexisting windows installation"

allquixotic

wherever you might have heard (or assumed) that an upgrade license is just an upgrade and not a clean install, you're wrong...

ghacks.net/2012/10/27/windows-8-upgrade-clean-install-possible

Cyclone

I mean to install on a newly formatted ssd, with absolutely no traces of an OS on it. Can I do that?

I almost feel the upgrade route I was looking into seems simpler...

Journeyman Geek

@Cyclone: I do believe you can get a install cd or DVD off the upgrade thing

or maybe upgrade off a fresh 7 trial?

Cyclone

Gotcha

For the record @JourneymanGeek the caddy finally came! It's a bit lower quality than an OEM part but it appears to be working, though if I ever decide to swap the SSD out I will almost certainly need to break this caddy apart.

Journeyman Geek

o0

@Cyclone: break apart? why?

Cyclone

03:06

I was able to format it with little trouble, and benchmark tests revealed it to be at least 5x the speed of my hdd if not faster

Journeyman Geek

and just to refresh my memory, this was the caddy that sits in your CD rom bay, right?

Cyclone

Because the ssd is so firmly attached at the connector and I won't be able to get a proper grip on it to undo it

Yeah

Journeyman Geek

lol

Cyclone

Also I think the caddy's stuck too which solves my falling out problem

Journeyman Geek

LOL

Cyclone

03:07

Oh but I discovered in the process that it's quite easy to take apart my actual laptop case and thus the caddy can be removed with ease - apparently the e6520 is targeted for upgradability

Journeyman Geek

nice!

Cyclone

Oh plus, worst case scenario and I can't get my OS running on this SSD, I just have a new place to install all my programs to. That'll work yeah?

For example if I uninstall Inventor and reinstall it to the SSD it should start up nearly instantly instead of taking five minutes right?

Journeyman Geek

In theory!

depends on what the bottleneck is

Cyclone

The bottleneck is definitely r/w speed, Inventor needs to load many thousands of files to initialize properly

Journeyman Geek

I prefer to go the other way

ahh

then yes

and SSDs are bloody brillant in random access

Cyclone

03:13

Even without knowing what the number means (flops?) the difference is immediately obvious

Journeyman Geek

floating point operations a second

Cyclone

Ah crap, thought that was short for FiLe Operations Per Second

Journeyman Geek

or that ;p

Cyclone

I wasn't sure what unit of measurement these unlabeled numbers were in for this benchmark

Cause it's samsung and samsung thinks I'm a child who can't handle units

Journeyman Geek

FLOPS

{| class="infobox" |+ Computer performance ! Name ! FLOPS |- ! yottaFLOPS | 1024 |- ! zettaFLOPS | 1021 |- ! exaFLOPS | 1018 |- ! petaFLOPS | 1015 |- ! teraFLOPS | 1012 |- ! gigaFLOPS | 109 |- ! megaFLOPS | 106 |- ! kiloFLOPS | 103 |} In computing, FLOPS (also flops, for FLoating-point Operations Per Second, or flop/s) is a measure of computer performance, especially in fields of scientific calculations that make heavy use of floating-point calculations, similar to the older, simpler, instructions per second. Since the final S stands for "second", conservative speakers consider "FLOPS" a...

lol

In scientific terms... its ludiciously fast ;p

Cyclone

03:20

Yep!

Cyclone

03:31

Oh...ordering a 3d printer soon by the way

I've had enough bitcoins to do this for a while, but I was having trouble deciding on a brand

ekaj

03:56

Sooo.. when you go to post an answer and click the pink question mark on the right side and go to lists, is it known that #3 is a 7 or am I reading something wrong?

Bob

04:12

@Hennes I don't have that on my HP laptop.

@cpx You can force one or the other from the Windows Power Options.

As for checking, some programs let you monitor the clock rate of all GPUs. I use HWiNFO, and when a GPU is completely shut down it's clocked at 0.

Journeyman Geek

05:10

afterburner might work there

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Does that work with non-MSI machines?

Journeyman Geek

yup

Journeyman Geek

05:43

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A: laptop suddenly became very slow

I have same problem with me on my Dell Latitute E6400... I was watching movie on my laptop the computer suddenly slow down. I try to solve this problem my self... 1st of all I restart the computer.. Problem Still there.. 2nd I try to reinstall the windows 7.. When I reinstall the window on my ma...

mall ware?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek He obviously meant Mail Ware.

Male Wear?

Hm. Should this question be closed as too localised?

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Q: Unable to run Internet explorer 7 on Wine 1.2, ubuntu 8.04

Following the instructions here: http://www.wine-reviews.net/wine-reviews/applications/ie-7-on-linux-with-wine.html I installed IE7. But when I run it with Wine 1.2 with: wine iexplore.exe& I get: Explorer$ fixme:system:SetProcessDPIAware stub! fixme:heap:HeapSetInformation (nil) 1 (nil) 0 fix...

There have been several new versions of WINE, Ubuntu and IE since then...

Journeyman Geek

07:04

@Bob: I'd let it be, personally

OOH

@allquixotic: tomshardware.com/reviews/bitcoin-mining-make-money,3514-4.html - This explains pretty why nvidia cards suck at bitcoin mining

the rest of the article is hillarious

"Each air duct had a 120 mm LED fan at the end, and it was these fans that proved to be my downfall. They shone mesmerizing circles of intense blue light into the peaceful California night. Eventually, the owner of the office building saw the blue circles, walked up to the ground floor window, and felt a blast of hot air in his face. Shortly thereafter, I was evicted."

Leathe

aww :P

Bob

08:09

@JourneymanGeek Ok :P

@JourneymanGeek :(

HackToHell

wow 6990 mines at 700 Mh/s [FIXED] :P

@JourneymanGeek why ;p

Leathe

MH/s, surely :P

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell: the part about excessive power use?

Leathe

:-D

Also, nVidia Titan as absolutely crap at mining bit/lite-coins :P

HackToHell

is ?

Leathe

08:15

I recall reading a comparison between Titan and Ati 7000 series

Journeyman Geek

not surprised really

Leathe

where almost any 7000 series card beat titan

HackToHell

My 6570 is faster than @Jou's 660

Leathe

it mostly comes down to the fact that ATi cards bruteforce themselves through :b

Journeyman Geek

660

one generation and stepping better

HackToHell

08:16

/me finds it really amusing :P

Leathe

but then again, they're really only faster at mining bit/lite-coins ;P

Journeyman Geek

yup

Bob

@Leathe They have no concept of power efficiency :P

Journeyman Geek

I bought it entirely as a efficient gaming card

Leathe

and efficient it is :P

Journeyman Geek

08:23

@Leathe: its got better power efficiency than a 660ti, and can run most games on my little 20 inch screen at maximum settings

Leathe

yeah, I have a 660 aswell

memory is stock OC, tho

Journeyman Geek

ditto ;p

Leathe

I saw no reason to buy a 660 TI :p

Journeyman Geek

amusingly?

this wasn't built as a pure gaming rig

Leathe

mine sort of was :b but with the budget in mind

Journeyman Geek

08:25

lol

core i7 ;p

(non K tho)

Leathe

I have the i5 3570K

Journeyman Geek

I built this to be able to handle VMs for school

core i7 3770

Leathe

the i7's were way too expensive for me ;P

Journeyman Geek

didn't feel the ability to overclock was worth the potential use of VT-D in future

Leathe

and not really necessary for gaming

Journeyman Geek

08:28

(I also saved closed to 300 dollars comparision shopping)

SSD was free too (thanks SE <3)

Leathe

wut

how did you get an SSD for free?

Journeyman Geek

lol

won it in the windows 8 contest

Leathe

oh

lucky :b

Journeyman Geek

seriously, if it so happens I have 1) motivation 2) questions I'm a question answering machine ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I am somewhat jealous :P

Hm. Are Samsung SSDs any good?

Local store has some 256 GB ones for $187

840 series...

Leathe

08:37

ssdreview.com/review/solid-state-ssd

Bob

My GPU is one gen behind you two :P

560

@Leathe I was more worried about reliability than performance :\

Leathe

@Bob I suppose Samsung are pretty new in the SSD business

so I'm not really sure about reliability :b

I haven't read anything bad about them atleast

Journeyman Geek

09:13

@Bob: the standard 840 uses TLC, its supposed to last slightly shorter

but in general they're one of the best all round drives

@Bob: that freed up cash for some of my more interesting gear

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Hmm... heavily considering.

Journeyman Geek

also, the standard 840 is 250MB

Bob

But that's still $0.75/GB, which is pretty pricey.

Journeyman Geek

I think its cause they have more reserved space

Leathe

09:29

Humm. The E3 press conferences being in 6h 30 min with Microsoft

Bob

imgur.com/a/7UCkL

Journeyman Geek

10:06

@Bob: trade off is really MOAR SPEED

Bob

@JourneymanGeek But MOAR MONEH

Journeyman Geek

I'd have stuck with my existing, pre-flood 500gb disk if I hadn't won this one ;p

Bob

Ah, the HDD calendar...

Journeyman Geek

XD

Bob

We have PF and AF.

Journeyman Geek

10:07

@Bob: prices have almost dropped to pre-flood levels here

XD

Oliver Salzburg

10:43

You could almost say, they're below sea level!!! :D

I'll show myself out

Leathe

plaintextoffenders.com :-D

Journeyman Geek

@OliverSalzburg: the window, not the door, please ;p

Oliver Salzburg

:D

Bob

@Leathe D:

(also, they need a better site)

Leathe

indeed. boo tumblr

cpx

10:52

@Bob It doesn't seem to detect GPU#2 when the system is plugged in. I think it's a bug in Graphic drivers running on Windows 8.

Journeyman Geek

@cpx: both discrete?

Bob

@cpx It should always detect and show both GPUs (in a drop-down?) on the summary screen.

Worked fine for me on an HP laptop running Win8 with switchable graphics.

Wait, was yours a laptop or desktop?

(desktops don't typically have switchable)

cpx

11:46

@JourneymanGeek One of them is Integrated.

Journeyman Geek

oh right, laptop?

it might be intentional.

cpx

Yes.

Journeyman Geek

tried messing with power savings settings to get to power save while plugged in?

cpx

It didn't show the discrete graphics card on the summary screen even when I had it in plugged in.

14 hours ago, by cpx

Journeyman Geek

wierd

cpx

11:53

I assume Windows 8 doesn't properly support the switchable drivers.

Journeyman Geek

wait

did the system come with windows 8?

cpx

Yes, pre-installed.

Journeyman Geek

hm

then it bloody well ought to work ><

cpx

I simply have no way to confirm if the discrete graphics card is in use/running/turned on.

Is it possible to use both or one at a time?

Bob

@cpx Look in the Windows Power Options.

I said this last night.

@cpx Yes it does. I'm using it.

You can force onboard only in the Power Options.

Hennes

11:59

@cpx Technically: yes

However there are very big caveeats

Bob

As for confirming, on the summary screen in HWiNFO, top right, there's a drop-down to select a GPU.

Hennes

You can run a build in 'GPU' from an AMD APU and a dedicated AMD card.

Sort of crossfire

But you can not mix different generations. Nor can you mix different brands

E.g. no intel build in GPU and a AMD or Nividia decicated chip

With the right software you should be able to switch between them. Both you will not have a single 'card' with the combined speed of both.

cpx

12:21

In Power Options, Dynamic GPU switching is set to "Automatic Selection" for both plugged in and battery. The second option is "Force Power saving GPU".

On summary screen in HWiNFO, top right, drop-down list where it says "Select a GPU" it only shows integrated GPU.

Bob

Ya, the latter one is weird.

Does the discrete come up in Device Manager?

cpx

In Device Manager > Display adapters, yes.

Both are there.

Bob

Hmm.

allquixotic

13:54

@JourneymanGeek also explains why Bitcoin is a total crapshoot unless you get free electricity

university students could probably run a smallish rig and take in a nice side income during their stay at uni, maybe even plug it in a computer lab where electricity is expected to be consumed in large volume already

Hennes

That assumes the computer lab is not already drawing max power and or running cables to the library to get extra power

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