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14:03
@allquixotic Bitcoin is profitable here, assuming the cost it takes to set up the rig goes away
Otherwise it takes forever to break even ;p
@HackToHell: in india?
they fixed the power cuts in TN yet? ;p
@allquixotic: actually the article was the best explaination of the economics of bitcoin I have read
@JourneymanGeek yeah and the future is bleak... you have to stay ahead of the performance curve because if you get left behind you are just wasting time
soon you will be wasting time/money/electricity if you don't have a huge rack of 22nm ASICs whose only task is to do hashes
then 14nm, then 10nm, then 8nm, then 5, then 3, then 1, then 0nm -- chips so small that you can't even tell they're there -- I mean, they're gone
some quote from galactic civilizations 2 (the miniaturization research)
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Holy shit.
The Google Japanese April Fools joke...
This is excellent.
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14:16
@allquixotic Problem: those would then be owned by a very small group of individuals/companies.
Which breaks Bitcoin entirely.
@Bob note that i never said bitcoin wouldn't become broken
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lol
i think it will ultimately fail to be useful in any way because people either have too much incentive to mine hashes, or too little - there's no in between
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Bitcoin, at its core, relies on hashing being performed by a widely distributed and unconnected collection of consumer hardware. Once specialised hardware takes over, you have a problem.
if the exponential increase continues, there'll be too little incentive for the common man to mine, but if that increase never happened then it'd be a "stupid" / "trivial" gold mine where you could cart hundreds of dollars out per month per GPU regardless of your electricity costs, and eventually it'd drive real currency inflation through the roof
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14:19
@allquixotic Or devalue Bitcoin...
yeah probably that
bitcoin would have to be a lot bigger than it is to move the inflation on real currency
but i don't think people are going to invest money in bitcoin because it's so unreliable
the audit editor has a sense of humor... that's just funny
@allquixotic: I kinda like the idea of cryptocurrency. Being of a somewhat libertarian persuation, I think it ought to be backed by a real commodity, or a basket of them
"How to a homegroup get out of automatic repair loop in google chrome auto reload restart all xp backed ups my lenovo z480 8?"
best. question. ever.
@JourneymanGeek yeah, but cryptocurrency isn't backed by anything -- the problem is that you can't re-use computing resources; once you've spent electricity + functioning ASICs to yield compute results, you can't stockpile those results in a basket and use them as backup for your currency... it just contributes to the cost of money (waste)
@JourneymanGeek amusingly yes ;p
@JourneymanGeek YES :D
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@allquixotic Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
14:28
@allquixotic: well, technically a cryptocurrency is one which is entirely digital and anonymous
bitcoin uses the computation + 'lottery' in order to get money out fairly
of course, people found weaknesses in it ;p
E3 starts in 2 hrs \o/
god, I am so going to be spoiled by the new headphones
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Hmm. Debating buying the Saints Row The Third pack...
@Bob Didn't get it with the thq bundle ?
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@HackToHell Oh, I got the HIBundle
which is why I'm debating this :P
14:31
compare cryptocurrency "backed" by people computing hashes, vs. the USD of old that (until the mid-20th century) was backed by gold.... meaning, for every dollar note you held in your hand, it was worth some small portion of the gold stockpile, so even if everything went to hell in a handbasket, you would be entitled to get some gold for your notes, and gold has inherent value
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this pack includes all the DLC, so...
but it also includes the game itself. which is a bit of a waste.
@allquixotic: like in snowcrash cryptonomicon!
spent computing resources have 0 value. they're spent.
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@allquixotic Gold has little inherent value, though.
Or at least industrially.
14:32
@Bob I you buy it, Can I buy the main game from you ?
@Bob: hence the mention of 'basket'
ooh, you can do that?
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@HackToHell Huh?
@Bob gold's value comes from the fact that a lot of people want it for cosmetic reasons, and it has more industrial use today than it used to
tho the HIB came with all the bundles that matter
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@allquixotic Yea, I just remembered its uses in electronics :P
But the vast majority of its value is historical :\
(Cosmetics, yea)
14:33
@Bob fixed ;p
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@HackToHell Didn't you get the HIB?
@allquixotic: Iron backed currency? Copper? "Equal to 1/10,000th of the value of the stockpile at <location>, which consists of no less than <different quantities of different things>
@Bob no :/
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And I don't think you can separate the bundle...
I only got the below average games
@Bob ok then
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14:35
I mean, I'd happily give it to you if I could.
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A: What happens if I buy a game I already own through Steam a second time?

Nick TSteam won't let you buy the same product twice (without it being a gift). For your particular case with the with the Potato Sack Pack containing things you already own, on the product listing it mentions: About this game Already own one or more of the games in this pack? Not to worry, y...

I got SR3 from HiB too... I think that's the best game they've ever put up on HiB
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Certainly the one I've played most :P
like, many of the HiB games I only play for 10 or 15 minutes and decide it's crap or not my kinda game, but about one game per bundle is really worth it, and SR3 was the most super-worth it out of all the games they've ever had
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Hm. Steam wants me to enter my DOB before I can even see the SR3 page.
Must be the dildo "The Punisher".
@allquixotic Red Faction was ok
14:37
@Bob women in reduced clothing; oh no! you have to be old to see them
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Oh yea.
@allquixotic I haven't installed most of them :P
@Bob i think they count on that for their profit :D it's hard to resist "10 neat-looking things for $5 or whatever you want to pay!!!!" even though you'll never play 9 of them
the code jam games are even more ridiculous, they spend like a weekend working on these games and they're just really terrible
@allquixotic: I think I played through the game twice ;p
I'm seriously tempted to get the SR4 preorder
I never pay retail for games tho XD
(other than DIII, which i kinda regret)
i played the heck out of Machinarium, Osmos, Solar 2, Dungeon Defenders and that's basically it
probably will play Plants vs Zombies on my phone
Oh
I paid retail for borderlands 2
and got the two charecter DLCs
but thats totally worth it just for the Psycho ;p
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14:41
...there's a M17+ category?
@allquixotic: solar2 is a LOT easier to play on a touchscreen
@Bob soon there'll be a M65+ category... you have to be a senior citizen to be able to contain yourself
heya @Sathya
hey folks
how's it going
alright ;p
14:42
hiya @Sathya
uh oh, the mod is here, stop talking about games and get back to work
/me is currently enjoying his new toys ;p
LOL
@JourneymanGeek what new toys?
everyone! post questions you're working on answering!
get that review queue down to 0!
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> Professor Farnsworth: [Gasping.] Fifty-three years old? Oh, now I'll need a fake ID to rent ultra-porn!
14:43
Hurr! quit slacking you minions!
@Sathya: I got the headphones I've been eyeing for 2 years ;p
and a pretty nice, insanely cheap headphone amp
I've been meaning to do some experiments to see if it affects sound quality any out of regular sound card
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@allquixotic Osmos, Solar 2 (actually, had it before HIB) and PvZ for me :P
@JourneymanGeek sennheiser? oh wait, let's have our entire headphone discussion again... deja vu vu vu
@allquixotic: fischer audio ;p
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14:44
@JourneymanGeek Never tried that. But PvZ... I'm not sure if touch is easier to harder. I guess it would be easier on a tablet.
@JourneymanGeek now that's one game I'm glad I purchased..
actually thats a funny story
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@Sathya hi
hiya @bob & @HackToHell
reached Bangalore couple of hours ago from a roadtrip
over the weekend
@Sathya How come you are ol 24/7 on fb and not here ;p
14:45
mutual friend of @benrichards and I bought it cause I mentioned the reviews said they were VERY similar to what he wanted (and unlike the other option) was available.. in theory
then ben got it... while I was waiting for it to get in stock
@HackToHell I'm on facebook even lesser time than I'm on SE chat
give me a damn Stack Exchange mobile chat app & you'll see why facebook shows I'm online
THEN they changed distributors... and another friend mentioned there was a new model out.
E mailed the distributor, no reply, walked into a shop and told them to shut up and take my money
@Sathya ah that mobile app
@allquixotic: the HD202s are semi retired
I lend em to my mom ;p
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14:48
@JourneymanGeek Did you give her the eiio too? :P
@Bob: not really
XD
she's not as well trained in such things
/me tempertantrum but whyyyyy fischer suckio? why wouldn't you want the best headphones in the entire world?! (because obviously the ones I CHOOSE are best, obviously) -- Sennheiser HD 25-1 II !!!!!!!!!!!!!
@allquixotic: you've seen the warranty card right?
@Bob what is this regarding? I shouldn't go to forums.steampowered now ;p
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@JourneymanGeek Don't forget the bold "avoid Beats at all costs!"
14:49
@JourneymanGeek yes, but why does warranty card make headphones awesome :(
Geek's audio article is Greek to me :/
@allquixotic: motherfucking piranhas.
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@allquixotic Uhh... Aus's lack of a R18 classification
I think they finally introduced that last year.
@HackToHell: not good then ;p
14:49
@JourneymanGeek it's good, i just don't know anything about audio systems
And I only skimmed through
@HackToHell: precisely, its supposed to be a primer
14:50
and its a little longer than a single article
@JourneymanGeek congrats!
i should cancel spotify -- Google Music All Access has all the music Spotify does and more, plus I get to listen to the songs I have on my local system (lot of music on my 64GB card) within the same app, plus it's $2/month less
329 hrs of DIII @_@
@Sathya: totally worth being broke a month ;p
No one can beat
@OliverSalzburgs tf2 record, he had some 1200hrs
14:51
@HackToHell Obviously, someone is a little reward-sensitive
Click... gold drops... @Sathya's brain goes "EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I AM HAPPYYYYY"
@allquixotic :D
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@HackToHell 12000?
o.O
@HackToHell are you kidding me? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?!? That's 1.3 years of his life!!!!
@Sathya: I kinda blame all the problems I had with the blizzard DRM, and torchlight for me not liking DIII ;p
14:52
TIme to grab my Senheisser CX300-II's and talk a nice walk in the sun while listening to music.
I can see spending 12000 hours total gaming, that I'm sure I've surpassed. but in one game. omg
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That's literally two years if you allow time for sleeping and eating.
And nothing else.
TF2 just doesn't seem to have enough replayability for me to be able to log that much in it
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I never really got into TF2 :\
14:53
1200 .... and he was idling, he posted an image, trying to find it
I think I put about 400 hours into TF2, and by the end I was REALLY bored with it and just messing around with mods and stuff
@Bob It is awesome !
your first 100 hours or so of TF2 will be lots of fun, so you should work on that :)
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(a lot of it was just leaving my computer on overnight)
14:54
rofl idler
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(but a fair bit of actual playing)
I'd guess maybe up to 500 hours of that is idle.
@Bob Is there a drop system in CS ?
games don't remain interesting for me over a long period for some reason :| I'm getting bored of games faster and faster
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@HackToHell Drop system?
@allquixotic Same here.
CS1.6 was fun cause of mods.
uhm do you get weapons after idling ?
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14:56
@HackToHell Uh.. no?
You can get weapons and coll stuff in tf2 if you idle
lol
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o.O
ooookay
And that's why people idle
in the past 2-3 years I think I've spent more time in Starcraft II playing custom maps than any other game
14:56
So basically I am wondering why the hell do you idle in CS !! ??
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@HackToHell Because I accidentally leave it on overnight.
ah okay ;p
@Bob accidentally? what, do you fall asleep at the keys and then roll into bed?
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The only real issue I have with SR3 is that it forces you to make choices at certain points... I hate being blocked from one choice :P
15:01
lol
I do this!
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@allquixotic Alt-tab out and forget about it.
I played windowed.
Full 1080p was a little much :P
@Bob: oh, at 2 points
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@JourneymanGeek ?
and you can play the finale anyway
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lol
Still, annoying.
Screw it, I'll buy it.
15:03
i've not been rushing my way through the story of SR3; instead, I spend a lot of time buying up places and earning money
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 † Note: You already own the following items in "Saints Row: The Third - The Full Package". You will not receive extra copies of these items when you complete this purchase:

    Saints Row: The Third
D:
and upgrading my guns
@Bob :(
Bad valve
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Q: Windows 8 Desktop won't auto-refresh

Kevin Jensen PetersenThe problem of my desktop not auto refreshing, has just occured to me. I've tried restarting with no help aswell. The problem is, that whenever i delete a file, move it, duplicate it or any other action that will make the desktop refresh, it won't. I have to refresh myself, before i can see the ...

image not found :O
LIES
15:18
@Leathe: use imgur man
I will :b
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@Leathe You could use the handy upload button next to the text entry box :P
only available for 1000 rep-ers?
@Bob I was going to do that, but then I remembered imgur :b
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@Leathe That is imgur
Specifically, it's the StackExchange dedicated side of Imgur
15:22
oh, look at that :P
didn't know that
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keeps images longer, often unblocked in corporate environments, etc.
you are no longer leet
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...
O.O
Apparently, a lot of people think it's correct to put two spaces after every full stop.
And some Uni professors actually require it.
i am not one of the peeple
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I don't even...
15:24
lift?
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Well, that too.
After every full stop?
What do you mean "full stop"? o.O
. . .
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@Leathe Americans call it a "period".
Err. *Europeans
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15:25
(ninja edit :P)
Or more specificly, *Finns
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Sorry.
@Bob I never understood why they can't understand some things purely out of the context.
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Anyway, it's referred to as a "full stop" in BrE and AmE.
You are forgiven.
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15:26
> A full stop (British English, Hiberno-English, Australian English, Indian English, South African English and New Zealand English) or period (American English and Canadian English) is the punctuation mark placed to indicate the end of sentences.
@Leathe Well, you probably learned AmE :P
Or some mix.
Both, actually :P But unfortunately they were quite mixed at times
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AuE is some really weird mix of BrE and AmE.
full stop is a period.
@jokerdino yes, we established that :P but thanks
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> Outside the U.S. and Britain, full stop is generally preferred to period, but the latter does appear occasionally in all the main varieties of English. Full stop is comparatively rare in American English.
15:28
does half stop mean a comma actually?
lol
I use full stops, period.
Haaaa. I see what you did there.
no more period jokes.
yeah, let's not get this conversation too bloody
just a bit cuddly
15:29
ANYWAY. Yeah, I don't see why people think it's even okay to put to spaces there
we need more cuddles and huddles in this room
w00t
@Leathe on the other hand, lots of people don't have any space after a period
Yeah, that's just equally as annoying.If you know what I mean.
it's worse
@Bob now that i think about it, they should be reversed
period = full stop. comma = half stop?
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15:32
Gah. You make a new one :P
I can't edit it any more.
(without mod intervention, anyway)
i am not much of a meeeeme fan
E3 press conferences start in 25 minutes \o/
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me-me?
i am a fan of me-me though
how did you get the direct image link?
Magic.
15:39
that sounds like a lot of boring manual work
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@jokerdino You can manually type it, or chuck Firebug at it :P
(or any other 'inspect element')
ah i see
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A: How can I copy nytimes.com slideshow images to the clipboard?

HackToHellRight click and select inspect element in Chrome. Now copy the url in the background-image field Which gives me the actual link http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/09/21/dining/20110921-ROSH-slide-CBSF/20110921-ROSH-slide-CBSF-slide.jpg

Nearly the same process
free downvotes
yay :P
15:57
So my girlfriend sold a TV through some Facebook page and forgot to mention that the remote is broken. And the buyer just came by to pick it up. Obviously she arranged the pick up while only I am at home...
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o.O
(also, universal remotes are pretty cheap these days..)
@OliverSalzburg so the buyer went away with the broken remote? or they were unhappy and wanted money back?
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Adobe Application Manager is stupid.
It can't seem to parallelise downloading and installation :\
@Bob Adobe Application Manager is stupid. FTFY
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Cool. Bunch of HP driver updates.
I wonder if I should bother.
16:04
@Bob probability of them breaking sleep mode: 72%
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:(
It should be a legal requirement to include a changelog with updates :\
Yay, BIOS and UEFI updates. Why does it have both? o.O
(Also, I'm scared.)
@Bob because the BIOS CSM and UEFI are separate components? (I'm guessing)
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@allquixotic Yea, but the "BIOS" update is actually a new UEFI firmware version.
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Hey, look, the UEFI update completed without breaking anything. I hope.
I just hope I can reboot :P
Now for the BIOS update.
Knowing my track record, I'll get a BSOD. Why the hell am I updating something so critical from within Windows, anyway?
16:11
I imagine a conversation like this.
Bob@USA: Hey Tyler, Shenzhen just sent us a new UEFI update package today. We should post it on the site, right?
Tyler@USA: Yeah, run some integration tests on it and post it. Hey, did they send you an updated BIOS too?
Bob@USA: No, there's no BIOS in here, it's only UEFI.
Tyler@USA: Shouldn't they have sent us a BIOS too? Hang on, I'll ask them.
Tyler@USA: Hey Shenzhen, can you guys send us the latest BIOS as well? Thanks!
Wei-Yin@Shenzhen: Sure, here you go. <<Attached: UEFI BIOS.ZIP>>
@Bob Sure, that's what I said. But she probably would have loved to get all the facts before driving here to pick it up ;P
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Shit that was scary.
I just lost keyboard and touchpad for a few seconds o.O
(and the CPU fan spun down)
@allquixotic They took the broken remote and asked for a discount (to which I agreed). The remote is only physically broken, you can re-assemble it and it will work :D
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Great. Now it wants a restart.
So you get a TV plus a puzzle! I should have asked for extra money!
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16:13
@OliverSalzburg goodness.... you upset your lady that badly that she threw the remote against the wall? :D
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If I don't report back in half an hour, assume this laptop is dead :P
@Bob hot patch the BIOS.... nice
@allquixotic No, she generally breaks remotes
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@allquixotic I didn't know you could even do that.
She's a dropper
16:14
@Bob THIS... IS... UEFI!!!!!!
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@OliverSalzburg Remotes... break... by... dropping? O.O
@OliverSalzburg taken out of context that could be quite funny
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What, are you dropping them three stories onto a spike pit trap?
@Bob If you drop them often enough
@Bob They're usually dropped from the bed or the couch
@Bob we're not talking about the game Rise of The Triad, are we?
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16:16
Ok, restarting.
@OliverSalzburg I thought you were talking about a cat on first look.
@jokerdino Our cats rarely break stuff
yeah, the landlady gets to it before them!
Exactly :D
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16:28
Looks like the BIOS updates on boot.
That was the loudest I've ever heard the fan go.
Straight up to sounding like a jet.
(Also, why does Adobe Acrobat have a separate update program from the rest of them?)
(Hmm... Steam just updated too... must be update night.)
16:43
@JourneymanGeek Wow, you had a hell of a time trying to get them. I know you've been waiting for a while. That's nuts!
And I was on a waiting list for a month or two before I got mine, even.
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HP
...
I now have two Synaptics touchpad drivers. Brilliant.
HP <removed> ...
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A "v1.7" on SMB, and a "v8.1" on PS/2
17:03
Just in case y'all care, WWDC is about to start.
Would be cool if you watch it without an Apple device...
17:16
World Wrestling Developer Conference
@Tanner you should be able to
@OliverSalzburg ya I hate how Apple always is doing jabs at windows
@KronoS huh? I didn't catch the reference :D
they were bashing windows lol
@OliverSalzburg World Wrestling Developer Conference
@KronoS Yeah, I thought I just made that up
17:23
lol... well it fits
I'm not following the thing
MS and Apple wrestling for the shittiest IT company.
They're called Microsoft
oh crap. I forgot for a sec.
17:37
What I hate about Apple's keynote speakers is that they start spouting off these stats and say "This is a HUGE improvement", when in reality it's good, but not HUGE
17:55
@KronoS reality distortion field... except that when Steve Jobs used to say it, 75% of the people would be totally convinced that it is indeed HUGE, whereas his successors, only about 2% of the people are totally convinced
I am convinced most of us are no longer convinced by Apple's gimmicks.
18:15
@jokerdino I'm pretty sure that a lot of people are still convinced by their gimmicks
The elitism kind of makes me sick...
@Tanner ya... but it is a testament to their 'quality' focus
The thing he just pointed out about iOS and android is very very true
fragmentation is SO hard for devs and users
this is what I'm looking forward too... iOS 7
that's pretty neat
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stupid stream!
just had to buffer
that weather was almost an exact copy of yahoo's
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18:30
@KronoS Don't worry, they'll sue Yahoo over it soon enough.
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If they don't announce being able to answer messages while in another app... I'm not ditching my jailbreak
well safari finally caught up to chome on a few features
@KronoS stunning, considering they use (used? Chrome now uses Blink, which is a fork of WebKit) the same rendering engine
18:51
@OliverSalzburg Wow, my answer to your question is apparently pretty popular. :o
@allquixotic For a second, I thought you were referring to <blink>, and I was about to say "WTF! Chrome still supports <blink>??"

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