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Journeyman Geek

02:18

Ben Richards

02:37

@JourneymanGeek Yup, I do. I gave IE9 a shot when it came out, and as these trial periods go, I use it until I get sick of it. Funnily enough, I never got sick of IE9. Same with IE10. :P

So, I built my little brother's computer for college today. But POST gives me 3 beeps (indicating RAM error). I tested both sticks individually and in both slots on the motherboard. No dice. Anyone want to double-check to ensure that they actually are compatible with the motherboard I got?

Here's the motherboard: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dh61ze.html
Here's the RAM I got: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6611013

I thought they would be compatible. But I would like a second opinion. I somehow doubt that I got two borked sticks of RAM (though I guess it's not unheard of).

Journeyman Geek

@BenRichards: try the ram on another system to make sure?

hmm

I see a problem

intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/dh61ze/sb/…

biggest stick of tested memory is 4gb

oh, never mind, I'm being a neep

Ben Richards

Heh, I'm not sure if my other computer supports DDR3. Will have to double check.

Journeyman Geek

oooh

tomshardware.com/forum/301053-30-corsair-xms3-intel-dp43bf

Ben Richards

Oh, it does support DDR3! Good idea. I'll do that.

Journeyman Geek

;)

I'd assume it does, especially since I think AMD supported DDR3 longer

Ben Richards

02:50

Different motherboard

Aha

I'm also really hoping that the beep code is not a red herring and that it actually is something as simple as wrong/bad RAM. I'd hate to have to chase down a rogue defect.

Journeyman Geek

and since your other system has DDR3, you can check with that, assuming its not the same type ;p

... god I am an idiot

Ben Richards

True :P

I mean, it is the same type ;)

Journeyman Geek

I found my missing 3.5mm -> 3.5mm cable

it was plugged into my speakers

Ben Richards

Heh

Journeyman Geek

this means once I wrangle this mess, I can experiment with onboard audio + my amp ;p

Ben Richards

02:54

Hehe

Journeyman Geek

/me is seriously thinking of dumping the old altec lansings

Ben Richards

Aha

I will test the ram tomorrow or something. Don't feel like messing more with it tonight.

Journeyman Geek

XD

Ben Richards

Also I can touch type with the onscreen keyboard! This is cool :P I don't think I could do this on the iPad. I hate that keyboard.

Journeyman Geek

lol

the split keyboard MS uses is brilliant

Ben Richards

02:58

I think I stripped some of the screws in the PSU somehow. I need to ask my dad for a fix.

I don't use the split keyboard much, actually. This is the regular onscreen keyboard. The split keyboard would be better if I had a device that was a little smaller and more comfortable to hold that way.

Journeyman Geek

lol

@there's a special tool for those

I just use a dremel and convert it to a slotted screw ;p

if its a hex headed screw, you can very carefully use a pair of pliers to loosen em

Ben Richards

No, I mean the screw hole. I think I used the wrong size screw and now the right screws won't stay in. The hole that I didn't do this with has a screw that fits just fine.

Journeyman Geek

OH

Ben Richards

Yeah :P

Journeyman Geek

you must have confused the two screw types!

one of the great mysteries of computing. why the hell they use m3 AND 6-32 screws

Ben Richards

03:01

I did. They looked the same except for the color. I didn't see the other (correct) screws until I looked later since the ones I tried didn't fit properly.

Journeyman Geek

yeah

its pretty stupid that they do

Ben Richards

Yup

Journeyman Geek

(tho my case uses three types of screws of different sizes, one for fans, one for PSU/motherboard fastening, one for 2.5mm drive installs

Ben Richards

Yeah. I hate the screw assortment. Wish it all just snapped together instead. At least on some cases it can...

My old dell xps 410 has a phenomenal screwless case design. If you think you need a screwdriver, you're doing it wrong in that case. :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

my current case comes pretty close

(tho, I did add a screw management system)

Ben Richards

03:08

My cooler master does a lot of thumbscrews, but it's still not quite there.

Journeyman Geek

@BenRichards: I can image a 99% tooless case ;p

just use rubber standoffs for the fans, noctua style, and drive caddies (and have specific 2.5mm bays somewhere you can slot them in...)

Ben Richards

Aha

Bob

05:54

@Hennes Panopticlick?

@Hennes Generally, as long as you have no plugins installed (disable JS for added security), no, they can't.

I believe the main methods for listing fonts are Java and JS. Maybe Flash.

@JourneymanGeek @Sathya Gems? :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I think thats just sad ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ...I should probably check my speakers.

Journeyman Geek

what happened to them?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Lost a 3.5mm extension cable a while ago.

Journeyman Geek

lol

I'd actually dump my speakers if I didn't need them for gaming

Bob

05:58

@Hennes Also, using a default/common user agent would mask any OS details. Don't use a 'clean' one, since they're rare and unique.

@JourneymanGeek You... use speakers for gaming? o.O

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: ya

Bob

...

Journeyman Geek

its about all I use them for ;p

Bob

And here I am, gaming with a headset :P

Journeyman Geek

I use headphones for music, and sometimes for videos ;p

Bob

05:59

tbh, I've taken to listening to music with the headset too. No need for speakers here, either.

Journeyman Geek

lol

my roomie gets cranky if it isn't indian classical ;p

Bob

o.O

Indian... classical?

Journeyman Geek

yeah

XD

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek How do you game with speakers, there's always someone swearing

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell: ironically? no one cares ;p

@Bob: its only for me tho, the sister in law can listen to movie songs and the roomie dosen't care ;p

Bob

06:01

I'm not sure what Indian classical is.

Journeyman Geek

er...

Bob

Ok, I know now -_-

Well, to each their own.

Journeyman Geek

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example!

( if @HackToHell dosen't know who is singing this, his parents will likely be dissapointed in him ;p)

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek Last time I was playing tf2 with speakers on, little kids started fighting and were screaming :D

@JourneymanGeek No idea who is that :P

Journeyman Geek

!!!

MS Subbulakshmi ;p

HackToHell

06:03

Oh she is MS Subbulakshmi

Bob

@HackToHell Ah, those prepubescent voices swearing over mic chat...

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell: I don't usually game socially ;p

HackToHell

@Bob It's really annoying, I end up voting to kick/ban them ;p

Bob

> Rating: MA15+

-_-

(That rating was a bit weird, though. There's so much gore in CS1.6! (/s))

HackToHell

ESRB: M
PEGI: 16+
BBFC: 15
OFLC: MA15+

Bob

06:07

OFLC is the Aus one.

HackToHell

@Bob 15+ is okay for gore ;p

Bob

@HackToHell Seriously, though. What gore? o.O

HackToHell

Bob

I was talking about CS1.6.

HackToHell

Oh :/

Bob

06:10

Unless the server has a gibbing plugin installed, in which case... bleh.

Journeyman Geek

lol

I've never really seen game violence as 'violence'

HackToHell

Journeyman Geek

I've never wanted to kill people with the bastard child of a circular saw, and an axe playing boderlands 2 as a psycho

HackToHell

tf2 has ridiculous plugins

Found one server that allowed me to resize yesterday :D

Bob

There's always ChickenMod for CS1.6...

You can turn into a chicken! Low grav, high speed, tiny size, peck your enemies to death!

HackToHell

06:12

lol

We have boxing mods in tf2:D

Also there is an official melee map

wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/DeGroot_Keep

Bob

@HackToHell You mean like this? :P

HackToHell

lol, you can't taunt kill tho ;p

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There are a lot of awesome ways to kill people ;p

Bob

@HackToHell You just got yourself on a list :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

HackToHell

06:27

@Bob oh noes ....

:D

Journeyman Geek

07:06

yay

worked out something to tie up the about 2 meters of excess cables on my headphones ;p

HackToHell

@bob apparently you have to open a ticket to get yourself unsuspended

Journeyman Geek

suspended from?

HackToHell

BuyVM

Journeyman Geek

oh yeah

HackToHell

I was suspended for not paying bills :p

Saladin

07:17

hello guys

in computenode 240 of IBM it says 2/2

2/2, Intel Xeon E5-2600 Series Processor

what does it mean 2 sockets ?

Journeyman Geek

plus.google.com/u/0/photos/106187684082000485043/albums/… my latest creation ;p

Saladin

i wanted to know total cores..

HackToHell

@Saladin 2 processors !

Journeyman Geek

It has wood, so it obviously improves my sound quality over 9000%

@Saladin: without context we'd have no idea what you're talking about

Saladin

its just general h/w specs i want to know about the mode x240

the core / socket specfications

on ibm site it says 2/2

Journeyman Geek

07:19

what's a mode x240?

Saladin

its what IBM says

computenode servers

Journeyman Geek

...

HackToHell

12 or 16 cores

Journeyman Geek

trouts @Saladin

seriously dude.

CONTEXT

DO.

YOU.

HAVE.

IT?

Saladin

context about what ? i said it before i just want to find the number of socket the hardware supports

i don't know if this number changes per context

Journeyman Geek

07:21

without actually telling us what this hardware is?

Saladin

wait

the processor is 2/2, Intel Xeon E5-2600 Series Processor

Journeyman Geek

....

Saladin

www-03.ibm.com/systems/flex/compute-node/x86/bto/x240/…

Journeyman Geek

ahh, now we are cooking with gas!

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek I Haz no permission

Journeyman Geek

07:23

I believe it means it has 2 sockets with both those sockets filled up when you buy it

@HackToHell: fixed

plus.google.com/u/0/photos/106187684082000485043/albums/…

paracord (I have lots of the stuff) and 2 balls out of my bag of wooden balls ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek You need to go to your nearest river and hunt for stones.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: or the nearest acquarium ;p

Bob

@Saladin Contrary to popular belief, we can not read minds.

Saladin

@bob i apologize

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Huh? Didn't you know? You need genuine river stones for the best quality! None of that cheap aquarium stuff.

@Saladin There's no need to. Just keep it in mind for next time :)

Journeyman Geek

07:28

@Bob: naw, you just coat em in snake oil ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Bag of... wooden balls?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: yeah ._.

Bob

Uhm.. on one hand, I'm curious. On the other, I probably don't want to know.

Journeyman Geek

picked up at daiso ;p

@Bob: dollar store sells random wooden things, they're good, moderately expendable things to fiddle with ;p

in this case I wanted something I could use to act as paracord ends, and keep em from fraying

so drilled a little hole with a screwdriver handle with a drill bit on it, and superglued the balls on it

HackToHell

What is the default encoding of Linux(Ubuntu), UTF-8 or ANSI ?

nano is behaving wierdly

line breaks are not being detected @_@

Bob

07:37

...

O.O

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@HackToHell UTF-8 and ANSI are identical for the lower codepoints.

HackToHell

@Bob lol, did it get linked in reddit

India FTW !

Bob

@HackToHell Yes, yes it did.

I don't even...

HackToHell

@Bob uh huh

Journeyman Geek

what is this I don't also...

HackToHell

Then there's this

read the description ;p

Journeyman Geek

07:40

ahh ok

HackToHell

fff wrong video

it's from supporters of nithyananda

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

08:09

hmm

something weird

on my desktop, Thunderbird disconnects now and then, and I need to click get mail to reconnect

on my laptop, it stays connected at all times (and alerts me when I have new mail), even after hibernation/switching networks (auto reconnect)

anyone got an idea? :S

I do have it set to use IDLE

HackToHell

08:26

Bob

...that unreadable JPEG...

Bob

09:50

it's too quiet in here

cpx

@Bob I'm going to try a third party partition manager to make the partition of C:/ since windows 8's default partition manager failed to do so.

Bob

@cpx Do not do it from within Windows!

You should never try to manipulate the file system when it's mounted, let alone when the OS is booted from it!

I've said this before, grab a bootable CD, preferably a Linux Live CD with gparted on it, and use that.

You will have to perform a boot repair of Windows afterwards.

NTFS stores a mirror MFT, a CRITICAL file, midway through a new partition.

You CANNOT move this from within Windows, and even a third-party partioner is horribly risky, if it even lets you do so.

cpx

I see. I've also tried boot time defragmentation which includes MFT but it didn't help.

Bob

...that defragments the MFT itself. It does not move the metadata files around.

There is a reason the mirror MFT is logically/physically separated from the primary MFT (though it's only a partial mirror, not a full mirror...)

First thing, go burn a bootable Windows repair CD.

You will need it to repair your installation after repartitioning.

Then grab Parted Magic or GParted Live.

Use that to repartition.

That is all I will say.

It's your choice if you want to use another method; just be aware of the risks.

Even repartitioning like this is somewhat risky, though usually turns out fine assuming you let it finish.

cpx

Would HP Recovery DVDs help?

Bob

10:03

Maybe.

Depends on what kind.

Some of them won't let you do anything other than a full reimage.

Some will give you the standard Windows installation CD menu, which includes boot repair.

You can burn a dedicated repair CD from within Windows. It's an option somewhere. Use the start menu search, or Google, and burn it to a blank CD.

Note that the repair CD is used for fixing certain parts of the OS, and cannot perform a full reinstallation

cpx

Thanks, I'll look it up.

Journeyman Geek

if its windows 7 you can just download an installer cd

Bob

@JourneymanGeek It's 8.

Also, it's a rather big download :\

cpx

I have been wondering if there's a chance that I'd lose all the other data on my partitioned drives or any data on OS drive If I try to install full OS image from HP Recovery DVDs? Since installing OS from HP Recovery DVDs means that all drivers, system files etc will be restored?

Journeyman Geek

more likely its a certainty

Bob

10:16

It's hard to say for sure.

But there's always the risk.

You can only know for sure by asking HP, or, better yet, testing in a VM.

Journeyman Geek

recovery disks usually do that in my experience

its a safer bet to assume it does that

HackToHell

11:20

After Earth is really boring @_@

Don't go to see it

Bob

11:31

Ahhhh PDF passwords.

The most useless thing ever.

cpx

I guess I will buy Windows 8 Installation Disk in that case if recovery deletes everything, which I think it certainly does when reformatting the drive before copying from OS image.

I heard the price for Windows 8 has been raised by 10x since January this year.

Oliver Salzburg

@cpx Where did you hear that?

Journeyman Geek

@cpx: you may not need to buy an installation disk

do you have enough space to do a full disk backup?

cpx

11:51

@OliverSalzburg I read somewhere around the website about the price in a different country outside US. Here's what Wikipedia says:

Windows 8

| other_articles = Features new to Windows 8List of features removed in Windows 8Windows 8 editions Windows Store | date=April 2012}} Windows 8 is a version of Microsoft Windows (an operating system developed by Microsoft) for use on personal computers, including home and business desktops, laptops, tablets, and home theater PCs. Development of Windows 8 started before the release of its predecessor, Windows 7, in 2009. It was announced at CES 2011, and followed by the release of three pre-release versions from September 2011 to May 2012. The operating system was released to manufacturin...

@JourneymanGeek Well, no it's around 1 TB. I was thinking that instead of spending money on extra backup disk maybe I'd rather just buy windows?

Journeyman Geek

@cpx: you already have a licence tho

Bob

@cpx Well, both are valid options.

Buying an additional non-OEM licence would let you migrate it to a different machine in future.

A separate disk would allow you to have a backup, which you should always have anyway.

An additional licence would not protect your data against hardware failure.

cpx

It's a regular version known as "Windows 8 Single Language". It's not even Pro or Ultimate.

Bob

@cpx There is no "Ultimate".

cpx

I see.

cpx

13:16

I'm going to connect the old computer which has Windows XP SP3 as OS to the new computer with Windows 8 via LAN wire to transfer some stuff.

I have never done a LAN connection before so, I guess I'm going to look it up on Google specifically for Windows 8 because it will be a bit strange for me to figure out the networking controls.

Journeyman Geek

what is broken with your windows 8 box again?

HackToHell

this works yay !

cpx

@JourneymanGeek It came pre-installed with Windows 8 system files placed on a single drive. Yesterday, I tried to make separate partitions to store other data stuff but Windows 8 default Disk management system wouldn't allow it. It said that I cannot 'shrink' it less than around 450 GB because there are system files in the middle which aren't movable.

Journeyman Geek

13:39

@cpx: OH

@cpx: it boots then?

cpx

@JourneymanGeek Yes. I haven't done anything with it yet. I'm not just happy with it because of it and also if in case I need to re-install Windows 8 then HP Recovery Drive won't help because it will simply restore the OS and delete all the other personal files. So, I was thinking to buy either a backup disk first or a new Windows Pro. Maybe I'll end up buying both.

Journeyman Geek

@cpx: there's something called windows 7 backup

it does an old school full system backup you can restore from, and creates a boot disk

also there's a recovery drive option for windows

buying the backup disk is the eminently more sensible idea here

kobaltz

13:57

@cpx if you have a separate machine laying around with a terabyte so of space, you can pick up Windows Home Server 2011 off of newegg and do nightly incremental backups. This way, if you do have to restore, you can pick which restore point and it will copy the entire system back over including programs and documents. This will help protect against having your disk damaged in case of dropping the laptop.

WHS2011 cost around $50 currently.

Bob

14:12

@kobaltz The primary drive is a terabyte.

So, for backup purposes, it would be a good idea to have at least one-and-a-half times that.

...stupid MVPs on MS Answers.

One of them just posted a link to a Google search as an 'answer'. Guess what the first result was?

HackToHell

@Bob His answer ? :P

Bob

@HackToHell Got it in one!

HackToHell

14:28

yay ;p

gah even after installing Xposed and a module, can't get Google Play to download stuff when i reverse tether @_@

forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1371345

Journeyman Geek

boop

anyone want to take a look at my possible sound blog post? ;p

I just started writing it, might add it to the trello board if I can get part 2 done and I'm happy with the whole thing in the morning

HackToHell

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sigh bad xda

jokerdino

Hm, NSA gathers more info about Indians than Americans. Why?

Bob

@jokerdino Is that per person, or overall?

Journeyman Geek

@jokerdino: its right next to pakistan?

they're worried they'll outsource intelligence analysis to india?

jokerdino

14:39

@Bob overall

6.1 billion intel collected in march 2013

Bob

o.O

Is "intel" a unit of measurement now?

HackToHell

@jokerdino That's a LOT of info

Journeyman Geek

@jokerdino: more seriously, I think they just vacuumed all the intel up, and indians do call home a lot

Bob

@jokerdino India has four times the population of the USA.

That might explain it.

jokerdino

thehindu.com/news/national/…

@Bob How does it explain?

HackToHell

14:41

China's great firewall helped it :D

Bob

@jokerdino I assumed you were talking about the recent revelations.

HackToHell

Chinese firewall is clever

Bob

@jokerdino Then, if we assume a certain amount of obtainable (and obtained) information (how do you measure that, anyway??) per person...

HackToHell

eff.org/pages/tor-and-https

jokerdino

@Bob It's more outrageous than my own government spying on me.

HackToHell

14:43

@jokerdino true that

Bob

@jokerdino I'm not saying this is good or anything.

Just saying that if they are indiscriminately collecting data, logic dictates that larger populations would produce more data.

jokerdino

@Bob yep

Bob

Not accounting for percentage of population 'connected', though.

@HackToHell Apparently, a lot of what they collect is which sites you visit, not the specific transmitted data.

jokerdino

I can only imagine because of piracies and spam networks.

Bob

So, Tor would help (but it's really not big enough to cope), but HTTPS wouldn't really.

Funny how the rest of the world is outraged over this, but the American people don't seem to care. Most of them.

And their media is suspiciously silent...

jokerdino

14:47

It probably isn't a point of bother yet.

Journeyman Geek

14:59

@jokerdino: well, the indian government is too inept to do anything about it

jokerdino

what say. they are probably on CIA's payroll trying to keep China in check.

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