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00:05
anyone know if there's a dual band 802.11n USB adapter that also has bluetooth 3.0?
00:18
found one for a cool $25 on amazon
You and your problems...
I'm trying to decide if Missy Eliot is right on this playlist!
NO, Clippy! You can't help with Missy!
GTFO of here!
I'm really starting to like Spotify, now that they've dropped the requirement to log in via FB
They don't have the mixes I love, but they have the tracks which are played in said mixes
Good stuff!
I approve of this service!
00:40
@OliverSalzburg you mean Spotify works in Germany? I thought all music was banned in Germany
@allquixotic Yes, fun is banned in Germany in fact
I'm just a rebel! Eff the system!
Seriously though, I don't know why I got it right now. I had some issues while using IPFuck
Now it's working great
not 802.11ac, but it will suffice
probably won't see 802.11ac USB adapters with beamforming and bluetooth 4.0 in the same adapter for another while (year?)
01:22
@OliverSalzburg: and germnans have no sense of humour
IPFuck?
@JourneymanGeek Eff no we don't! What did you call me??????!!!!!!
@JourneymanGeek Google it
just did ;p
interesting ;p
@allquixotic: silly question but why USB?
And it actually works
01:24
Russians allegedly don't have a sense of humour either. ;p
Eff them if they don't have a sense of humour!
But, like, seriously? Nobody in the whole country has a sense of humor?
That is effed up
@OliverSalzburg don't worry about it; he was only talking about the Germnans, which you are not :)
or perhaps he was talking about the Germ- NaN s. Oohhhhhhhhhhh
THIS IS EIN OUTRAGE!!!!
@OliverSalzburg: no IST VERBOTEN
@JourneymanGeek for my desktop
surface is already set to go, but desktop has no wifi or bluetooth
01:29
@allquixotic: eheh, true
I'm using the built in one on mine now
if I upgrade I might go with PCI-E
(or mini pci-e in a adaptor)
i wanted something a little easier to move from box to box if i have to
pci-e or mini-pcie is pretty cumbersome to move around, plus small form factor devices will never support it
one quick grep question. shouldn't backslash) match a )? in gnu grep 2.5.1 on my mac it's saying there's an unmatched ) or backslash)
looks like it should to me, anyway
seems to work here: regextester.com
unless I'm missing something
using the Preg setting, as that's supposedly what grep uses
I guess I have two problems now
ok i'll just pipe the results of one grep into another
01:46
@Almo or you could make sure you have the -E (for "extended") switch enabled in gnu grep, otherwise you are not using real regex engine
oooh
got rid of the error
thanks
also make sure you are putting your regex in single quotes ' because if you are typing a backslash into a shell and you aren't using ', then the shell interprets the backslash
still wrong result, but that's just making the regex wrong
ok
something like grep -E '\(whatever'
yeah that's working now thanks
I don't know how people find out about Unix stuff except the basics or from other people
I've learned most of my unix by people looking over my shoulder and saying "you know you can do THIS"
01:50
man grep at first, but really a lot of trial and error... although grep regex isn't really "unix stuff"; it's programming stuff... since regexes are the domain of programmers more than sysadmins
Yeah I can get the basics from man pages but some of the other stuff is quite tricky :)
true
grep comes from a time when programmers and sysadmins were, basically, one and the same thing, so everyone who did system administration was also a good programmer
except for legacy unix tools you really don't see much of programming being exposed to sysadmins these days
yeah
too much specialization
at the risk of abusing your good nature, do you know why grep -E '[KEB]*)' events.log
with backslashes before the [ ] and ) is not matching "p Mk. III ([KEB] peuty) an"
if I take out the star and ) it matches the line fine, or if I take out [KEB] and * it matches fine
I thought * meant anything between the stuff before and after it
01:56
@Almo incorrect
* means "zero or more of the thing immediately before the star"
and when you use [] without escaping them with a backslash, that's invoking a character class
I am escaping the [ ]
so that part works on its own
you didn't escape the [] in that line you posted; there's no backslash before the [ and ]
the chat munched the \ chars
@Almo hit the backtick character `
surround your command in those
'\[KEB\]*\)'
01:58
and it will not eat whatever
ok that's what I had
thanks for the backtick trick
grep -E '[KEB]*)' matches the characters "K", "E", or "B" zero or more times, followed by a parenthesis
grep -E '\[KEB\]*\)' matches the literal characters (the characters themselves) [KEB], but the ] in particular is being matched zero or more times, so you could match [KEB or [KEB] or [KEB]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
and then a literal parenthesis at the end
oooh
if you want to match the entire thing [KEB] zero or more times, you'd have to put that in non-escaped parentheses and then use your quantifier *
(\[KEB\])* would match zero, one, or more instances of the literal string [KEB]
thanks so much for your help. I've used regexes for quite a while, but only by trial and error. had some really ugly ones in a javascript obfuscator I wrote
02:01
if you need it one or more times, you use + instead of *. those are called quantifiers because they tell the regex engine how many times you want to match the immediately preceding character literal, character group, or parenthesis group of expressions
a project I worked on a few months ago involved me writing a regex that was about 6000 characters long, and involved all types of quantifiers and capture groups and backreferences and named groups and character classes, so I can pretty much work with regexes up to an arbitrary level of complexity
bbl going out
wow
have fun :)
@allquixotic Got it: grep -E '(\[KEB\]){1}.*(\) and won){1}' events.log thanks a lot for your help and explanations.
02:17
Some familiar faces in here!
yeah
@allquixotic: actually, yesterday's conversation reminded me...
you use jriver media jukebox right?
 
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04:08
You asked that last night :P :D
Foe the love of Democracy :D
 
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Bob
Bob
06:14
I'm all for bashing the most recent version of something for being bad.
I'm trying to get rid of clippy.
Bob
Bob
But far too many people saying IE sucks, when their last experience of it was with IE6. Released 2001. 7 years before Chrome even existed.
Heck, Firefox didn't even exist.
@ruda.almeida Eh. Screenshot opportunities?
IE6 was good for its time. It just should have been put down a decade ago.
@Bob Who cares about screenshots? I want them STARS!
lol
@Bob: two things really
people remember IE6 cause MS developed this, for its time competent browser, and believing they had won the browser war, let it fester. The second is, there's still IE6 systems around, and idiots who check absolute version numbers >6
Bob
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Yea, it really shouldn't be around any more.
06:27
I don't hate IE
I actually think it might be something I'd consider switching to if I got sick of FF
and I believe @benrichards actually uses it ;p
@Almo You can remove the {1}'s.
07:00
Anyone here has a device with nexus/stock andriod ?
Is there a stock notes application ?
@HackToHell: define stock
I think there's an official google one, but I doubt anything comes with it
@JourneymanGeek Do you know what is the package name ?
I want it's source
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A: Where can I browse Android source code on-line?

Naveen Murthyi usually refer this site for the android source code. http://grepcode.com/snapshot/repository.grepcode.com/java/ext/com.google.android/android/2.2_r1.1/ Just want to provide more options :-)

07:06
@JourneymanGeek now I am confused :P
google keep isn't foss so it isn't stock
its official!
I don't think there's a stock notes app then
but blah, trying to remember who has a nexus, I'd guess @OliverSalzburg for some reason
probably, I can't find it in android source tree and the notes app in my phone is from mediatek
why do you need the source?
07:08
I am trying to learn about the android platform ;p
ahh k
sigh
I need better cable management. again
no, there is no stock notes app developer.android.com/reference/classes.html
surprising ;p
not really
keep's too new
and not a core app
anyone good with win 7?
define "good" :P
07:17
I have a problem that I think is easy but still cnanot solve it :D
The 3.5 mm headphone connector is physically broken. I want to disable it and have craptop speakers only
and now Clippy showed up :D
@JourneymanGeek My touch screen problem disappeared after I got a screen guard
STRANGE !
lol
@JohanLarsson: what OS?
ugh, I've done the reverse before but don't remember how
I think the 3.5 mm connector is broken in such a way that it signals that something is plugged in
gf tripped on the wire
07:25
ya, but there's a way to disable that
now the screen issue is back @_@
possible @JohanLarsson
I just need to remember how ;p
I did not find "Disable front audio panel detection"
Maybe it is the driver
I'd done this on a laptop
LOL I need to touch the case to discharge the elektricity on it and the screen works :D
07:31
@HackToHell: that's like the most wierdass thing ever
wait, is this a desktop?
no, I mean @JohanLarsson
does it have some wierdass realtek software?
IDT high definition codec dunno if that is the driver tbh
hm
lol, most of the searches indicate that's a troublesome bit of software XD
also AMD high def audio device
07:36
hm, that's wierd.
IDT is intel.
the AMD high def audio is probably part of the video card HDMI out
makes sense
looks like I need to find another driver
this is the nice thing about relying on an external sound card ;p
Bob
Bob
08:00
@JohanLarsson I don't think that one has the option, unfortunately.
@JourneymanGeek It also happens to be the driver with the Beats tie-in for me, so... yea. Screw it.
08:17
@Bob ok giving up and buying a new one is probably better, this one is utter crap :D
lol
beats again
Bob
Bob
08:43
@JourneymanGeek Yea. So, about those HD202s...
beats earphones suck ?
lol
@Bob: the ones that only sound right with my fiio e3? ;p
@HackToHell: beats audio sucks worse
@JourneymanGeek ah, are they worse than integrated ones
@HackToHell: its a set of filters over regular sound
they then de-tune the regular sound to sound worse without it
yewwww
08:53
I talked @Bob into running stuff through bitperfect playback and it made a difference.
Bob
Bob
Pity that was exclusive only, though.
ya
ASIO4ALL might do it
but I've not had experience with it
@JourneymanGeek Doesn't that depend largely on good quality head phones ?
Bob
Bob
O.O
never seen this before
@HackToHell not when your audio drivers are literally sabotaging you
@HackToHell: good quality headphones let you get the most of out good gear
09:06
@Bob No way to play with default windows drivers ?
Bob
Bob
@HackToHell What default Windows drivers?
These are the default drivers, as far as Windows is concerned.
There's the fallback drivers, which are absolute shite.
It's our fault for not spotting this question sooner — jackweirdy 22 hours ago
lol
@Bob: I apologise in advance for this
@JourneymanGeek wtf
09:21
Rappers cheat :P
Bob
Bob
@HackToHell Yea, I can actually verify that this is true.
As a non-audiophile, it actually sounds bad.
And I can tell through a $2 pair of earbuds.
And laptop speakers.
...yea.
;p
@Bob: there's non crappy 2 dollar earbuds
Bob
Bob
@JourneymanGeek I know :P
Well, not-as-crappy, anyway.
(bass shy, sure, but clear, and not sounding, in audiphile terms, like someone was singing from the bottom of a well)
Bob
Bob
I have a couple of pairs that shipped with random cheap players. Those were audibly muffled.
Also a $2 pair from the local dollar store. Also sounded crap.
(those didn't have left-right labels, either)
I have one pair used for gaming, since it (funnily enough) muffles the music but makes footsteps and gunshots louder in comparison :P
Currently using one of these, which actually sounds decent. Slightly lacking in bass, but decent.
09:27
the only issue with the daiso pairs is I keep losing em, or they keep breaking
Bob
Bob
They replaced a now-dead pair of Sony Fontopias. Yea, I don't really care all that much about audio quality :P
lol
good gear dosen't need to be expensive. ;p
Bob
Bob
I just pick up whatever shit I find and hope it works. No research at all.
my first great headphones I got were random ones
09:30
hey guys does anyone know how to setup openfire xmpp server?
Bob
Bob
Real pity they discontinued them... they were actually pretty good.
Don't like any of their new ones :\
i tried but it ends in an error
Bob
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Well, they're Sennheiser :P
lol
honestly, at that time, I had no idea who they were ;p
Bob
Bob
09:34
damn.. they were actually pretty good
wish I still had them :\
lol
this happens a lot ;p
Bob
Bob
got them at kmart... hmm... 7 years ago?
god I miss K mart
they used to have CINNAMON TIC TACS
Bob
Bob
lol
we still have a couple of kmarts
ours closed down
I miss carrefour more tho
they had cheap crappy tools ;p
Bob
Bob
09:45
@JourneymanGeek Bunnings (hardware store) is alright here.
not all that cheap, but quality isn't too bad :P
fff messed up fstab in phone :/
I also lost my not so cheap, but super awesome hardware store
holy crap
I found them!
Bob
Bob
o.O
You... ok, you lost and found a store??
Its in the same building!
I just refined the google search terms
Bob
Bob
09:51
Wait, what's going on?
lol
Ok, there's this super-awesome DIY store
they were in a building that was being redeveloped
the moved from the 4th floor (which was redeveloped) to the 16th
seriously oldschool family business.
found documentation ! :D
And managed to swap internal and external memory ! :)
Bob
Bob
@JourneymanGeek ...you have 16-floor shopping centres?
@Bob: I have NO idea. I thought it was an office block
looks like time for an adventure ;p
Bob
Bob
@HackToHell That's probably a bad idea.
09:56
@Bob I have only 1.77 gb internal memory :|
I copied all the stuff from the internal sd to the external one
Bob
Bob
@HackToHell Still a bad idea.
Why 0_0
Bob
Bob
External memory fails. External memory is technically replaceable. External memory is slow. There is any number of things that could go wrong with the OS expecting one type and getting another.
Also, unless your internal NAND is only 2 GB, chances are you swapped the system partitions with the external.
That is really bad.
The external card isn't read/mounted until some time after boot, too.
nah, i didn't swap the system partition, andriod seems to be in one partition and then there is another partition called sdcard(internal), the external on is mounted as sdcard2
Bob
Bob
@HackToHell that 'one partition' is the system one.
10:01
@Bob Any reports of people running into problems after doing that ?
Bob
Bob
actually, it is comprised of several.
It's real confusing tbh, the /system partition seems to be mounted and it can be accessed from the mount ....
Bob
Bob
@HackToHell There's a large list of possible problems. You can search for others' experiences.
I would not recommend doing such a thing, but hey, it's your choice.
I've personally seen quite a few apps that hardcode 'external' as a good backup location and 'internal' as a good storage location.
Basically I don't see any issues that cannot be fixed, if andriod refuses to start if the mem card fails or something, I can always use CWM to put back things to the way they were
@Bob that might turn out to be a problem ;p
11:33
Morning.
morning @Hennes
lo @Hennes
giant nuclear boobies NEEDS to be a band name
Bob
Bob
11:54
@JourneymanGeek wat
@Hennes Evening.
Last photo is awesome
cpx
cpx
Hi. I just yesterday switched to computer running 64 bit processor. I have a question regarding the software installations. Since it can run both 32 bit and 64 bit version of applications so, I was wondering which version to go for? For example: There are two flash player installers 32 bit and 64 bit. Which one do I go for?
Bob
Bob
there, another dozen games on Steam
so many HIB games I'll probably never play :P
@cpx most programs, it doesn't really matter
but it does depend on the program
you'll want ot make sure your operating system is 64-bit, though
@Bob: dosen't the flash version need to match the browser?
Bob
Bob
12:05
otherwise, all that processor would be good for is a VM
or am I confused here
Bob
Bob
@JourneymanGeek yea, that's the exception
programs that need to work with others (e.g. Flash) tend to be mor complicated
most browsers will only load plugins of the same... bitness?
Bob
Bob
most browsers are also 32-bit for now
@cpx: what browser?
precisely, so 32 bit is probably a better idea here
Bob
Bob
12:06
in general, if your program might need a lot of memory (image/video editing is a big one), 64-bit
if it does a lot of calculations, 64-bit
but some programs may have unstable 64-bit versions
and it'll only help if you have enough RAM to take advantage of, too
if it installs drivers, etc., 64-bit
in fact, the vast majority of the time, 64-bit :P
but if they don't make such a version obvious (e.g. you need to hunt for it), most likely it's not all that stable
again, general rules. it's really case-by-case
XD
did we confuse him even more than he was already? ;p
Bob
Bob
probably :P
cpx
cpx
@JourneymanGeek Firefox 21.0
@cpx: with flash, 32 bit, cause FF is
Bob
Bob
@JourneymanGeek real pity there
I still haven't gotten around to compiling a 64-bit version of FF
wish they'd just release it
12:11
otherwise, generally IF its NOT a browser plug in, (in which case get the same bit-ness) get 64 bit if you can, if its obvious
Bob
Bob
far too many crashes from hitting ~3 GB of RAM used
@Bob: eheh. you DEFINATELY need it ;p
Bob
Bob
:P
1247 tabs and counting!
cpx
cpx
Would I need to install (64 bit) flash again if I switch to a browser meant for 64 bit?
12:14
I do believe so
it should live alongside the 32 bit stuff tho
cpx
cpx
For example, Opera 64 bit.
Bob
Bob
@cpx Different browsers typically keep their plugins separately.
But, yes, you would need to have both versions installed.
I wish we could just dump all ancient 32 bit software.
With todays average hardware there is no reason not to use 64 bit software in 99% of all cases.
Bob
Bob
12:44
@Hennes I actually prefer to keep my VMs 32-bit.
Slightly lower memory and disk usage, without any real penalty considering I only assign 2 GB of RAM to it.
The vast majority of programs would have absolutely no benefit, and x86-64 has built in x86-32 support, so there's no reason for most.
I really wish FF would release an official 64-bit build, though. That would actually be useful.
@TomWijsman Are you sure? I thought something in () would match one or more, and I only want to match one of what's in there per line.
@Almo Nope, + means one or more, * means zero or more.
ok thanks a lot!
() is just to group part of the regular expression.
ok i'm confused now
12:49
That allows you to use + or * for more than one character / character group.
(expres)
And whenever you make a group it will create a reference for that group when it matches.
I put in (expres) in a regex there, and it matches multiple "expres" on one line
That's because the global flag is enabled.
I see the {1} doesn't change that
Ok. Sorry about this. I feel I should say I'm a self-taught programmer with over 20 years of experience and I still have trouble with regex :(
Bob
Bob
12:51
@Almo Also, note that plain (<expr>) would result in a capture group. Use (?:<expr>) for a non-capture group.
ok thanks
Bob
Bob
(where <expr> is a regex expression)
right :)
Bob
Bob
I find Expresso to be really helpful when writing complex regex, but it's really geared towards .NET and might be subtly different from PCRE.
ok
Bob
Bob
12:55
@Almo Adding {<number>} to the end of something means match it exactly <number> times... I think
so {1} would be the same as not having it at all
ok I'll test that
yup
thanks :)

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