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2:12 AM
any mysql expert there?
I have a mysql question about a query that nobody seems to know the answer :(
 
2:54 AM
If anyone there wants to help me with this, stackoverflow.com/questions/15858548/mysql-daily-report will be much appreciate it
 
 
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9:30 AM
Yay google-chrome badge :D
 
 
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11:16 AM
Oh dear god. I'm dead. — David 4 hours ago
 
Bob
@OliverSalzburg Ouch.
 
11:51 AM
It's tragic, but funny :D
 
Bob
hmm
digging into my old folders copied from a computer several generations back
there's a copy of trid lying in there
from 2005
I remember that one.
tried to extract the zip with WinXP
took all day
ooooh, a folder of games from Windows 95! :D
too bad they're 16-bit...
 
I'm currently setting up a laptop with a fresh installation of Windows XP... wondering if that is a good idea
 
Bob
@OliverSalzburg uhh.. nope :P
 
depends on the laptop
 
@JourneymanGeek It's old. It has a COA for Vista on it.
I'm setting it up for the parents in law
 
11:55 AM
anything vista will run on, 7 will run on better methinks ;p
 
XP came free with it, that's the only reason I'm installing it. The key on the COA is blacked out, so I can't use it to install Vista :(
 
Bob
I would be especially wary of giving XP to computer illiterates...
Unless you set up their account as a standard user only, but then they would need you to log in to run anything as admin :\
 
@Bob Honestly, I'd prefer to put Ubuntu on it
 
Bob
Why not? :P
If it's just for web browsing, that's just as good. Unless it breaks.
Ubuntu upgrades scare me.
 
that would be a good idea
 
11:58 AM
I'm not even sure what they're doing with their current computer. I would assume nothing because it is slow as hell
 
lol
slow why tho?
I have some systems where I'm sure its because the hard drive is dying slowly
 
So now they'll get a new, slow computer. But they'll be able to take it with them around the house
 
(in which case, when it dies, I might consider throwing on a cheap SSD ;p)
 
@JourneymanGeek No idea :D
Whenever we're visiting them, I have a very short time frame to solve computer problems
And they drive me crazy every time
 
12:01 PM
Like, the last time I was there, I tried to set up a DSL modem/WiFi router and asked for their DSL credentials.
 
one 'advantage' of the only people I'm supporting living in the same place
 
It refused to work no matter what I tried. Turns out, she gave me her email password
 
I had to use one of those textbox unmasking tools to grab the actual password from the old dial-in software from the ISP
 
XD
yay nirsoft
I've had to do that a few times ;p
 
12:02 PM
Exactly :D
Argh, the chat reply helper isn't working right!
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek cheap and SSD are two words that don't go together :P
@OliverSalzburg bad software! bad!
they're supposed to show some masked dummy text when using saved passwords, for security purposes - precisely this reason :P
though I suppose it was a good thing this time
@OliverSalzburg ?
 
@Bob If I just type ":" and hit Up, the caret is still at position 1. That sucks in that case
And when I don't reply (aka clear the text), the highlight remains in place
 
@Bob: relatively?
 
was talking about RAID yesterday
found this about RAID 50: "Failure of two drives in one of the RAID 5 segments renders the whole array unusable"
argh
will probably use RAID 6, and duplicate to an offsite drive
 
12:19 PM
And now both problems in the script are fixed again!
Updates are rolling out
 
getting a new computer chair tomorrow :)
 
@OliverSalzburg It's working great!
The marker clearing isn't right yet though....
 
12:40 PM
does anybody here use software to write on PDFs?
 
I think pdf xchange viewer does that
 
12:55 PM
interestingly, it looks like adobe reader XI might!
i guess it's not just a reader anymore maybe..
 
Is there a way to get a trial version of Windows 8 Standard?
 
hmm, not as far as I know
 
closest i've heard of is
windows 8 consumer preview
looks like there's a developer preview too... whoever that's for!
 
@barlop I just downloaded a trial of the Enterprise version from MS :\
 
1:16 PM
oh, the digitalriver thing with links to windows 7 too? though they're technically not trials they are full ones that require a serial number
like any windows installation as it is a regular windows installation
A copyright guy once told me it's all about having a piece of paper that's the license, and there's no problem using a copied cd for example if you have the license. the fact that MS has offered downloads on their site, backs that up
though I called a company called FAST to check, they said it depends on the individual writing the agreement, his terms.
 
windows 7 runs for a while without activation IIRC
not sure about windows 8 tho
 
1:29 PM
I completely forgot what a POS XP is... it's already stuck on installing drivers. Can't soft-reboot.
What is it installing? PS/2 pointing device
Well, I guess I could have let it running for more than 20 minutes... Maybe I'm just too impatient
 
ctrl-shift-escape usually brings up task manager
xp was not a POS
many find windows 7 a pos!
i guess most techies prefer 7 over xp
but still some find things about 7's GUI a pain in the ass
a friend of mine shifted to apple/mac(whatever they call it) because of that. he preferred xp over mac and xp.
the taskbar has such huge icons.. it's absurd. and smaller icons don't save much space. XP you could make the taskbar very neat putting it to the left, the icons went in a grid. not so with windows 7
you don't get the grid of little icons when you ptu the taskbar on the side. you just get oen column of them taking up a huge/full width.
 
1:48 PM
Being stalked. Changed smartphone. Stalking carries on. SOS
 
@barlop Okay. Now it's stuck on the shutting down screen for 15 minutes
 
@Tanner Nice job! :D
Be sure to get your kickstart questions ready ;P
New beta sites are such a circlejerk :D
 
are they? lol
I've never participated in one
 
Well, you're encouraged to post questions that define the scope of the site. So you would ask the questions most typical for the topics on the site
And you're also encouraged to upvote, because you need to get people to levels where they can take actions in the community
 
is it just me or are the new sites coming out of A51 a lot faster
 
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Q: How can I re-review a skipped review item?

BreakthroughI was just going through the review queue, and wanted to reject a particular edit (it was invalid). However, I accidentally clicked Skip. No big deal... So I went back to the previous page, refreshed, and was only given the option to click Next (as though an action was taken on my part), and n...

 
2:14 PM
WTF
192 referred? O_O
 
@Sathya His blog seems to be pretty popular
 
@Sathya hai
I just realized that edit was for a Community suggested one :(
 
@Breakthrough hey
 
And it doesn't do that on the Vote to Close queue
 
oh
 
2:17 PM
So when I see another Suggested Edit pop up I'll see what it does
Just 'cause I don't see "Skip" in any user actions under the History
So I assume I will be deleting that question later, but thanks anyways :3
 
@Breakthrough :) no problem
 
And at least we know the fake edits are keeping me on my toes lololol
 
@Breakthrough there are audits and all you know ;)
we're watchin' ya ;p
 
:O
I better do a better job of closing my curtains
 
2:30 PM
hxello
 
Greetings @allquixotic
 
3:11 PM
hm
ahh, there we are, got rid of the notifications I had seen anyway
 
found the way to moisturize my dry hands with just the right amount of moisture
rub them on a Puffs Plus tissue
 
3:31 PM
colleague IMs me: "it's not working :("
I get up reluctantly to go help them for the 50000th time
they try it while I watch them
it works
I stare blankly, go "oookeeeeeey" and go back to desk shaking my head.
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maybe its the Reverse Pauli Effect?
 
@allquixotic it fears you.
...work wants to draw my blood O_o
Some "health fair" thing... ¬_¬ /tinfoil hat
 
@Tanner is it a condition of sustained employment?
 
@allquixotic nope
think I might skip it, like every other "we're expecting 100% participaion!" thing.
All the health fair will tell me is I'm fat and I drink too much =D
 
lol
I could tell ya that!
 
3:45 PM
I know, right? :P
 
depends on the job tho
sometimes ya might not quite be drinking enough
 
@Tanner haha ditto (minus drinking)
i fear i will be forced to work in a soul-crushing "open plan" office soon.
 
@allquixotic that sounds awful
 
4:06 PM
I'm very introverted even though I'm outgoing online. common thing :P
 
Hell I'm not even outgoing online. I would go absolutely insane in an open plan office. Would have to quit.
 
@Tanner cubicles are bad enough. my monitor faces almost 180 degrees from the cubicle entrance, and I listen to music in my headphones for two reasons: the passive noise cancelling drowns out the distractions, and because I love music. I don't know when someone is behind me trying to get my attention until I installed a rear-view mirror on my monitor.
now I have a nervous habit of constantly glancing in my rear-view mirror (which is out of my active field of vision when looking at most parts of the screen) to make sure nobody takes me by surprise.
and I always see people walking by in the hallway because there's a ton of hallway traffic of people going to the bathroom, kitchen, etc. and my boss likes to walk to the kitchen, get a paper towel, walk back to his office, get a piece of fruit, walk to the kitchen, wash it off, walk back to his office, eat it, walk back to the kitchen to throw it away, walk back to his office, etc
at least he makes enough low frequency noise with his footfalls that it penetrates the PNC of my on-ear headphones and I know to task switch away from RA/SU before he gets into visual range :P
this other coworker is ridiculously quiet when he walks and he can catch me off guard >_<
he would make a great spy in TF2
i've been a lot more nervous recently because i have new employees constantly coming to me for help, and some of them don't seem to understand the tacit courtesy of knocking loudly on my cabinet if they're trying to get my attention while i'm wearing headphones, so they just start talking like i can hear them
 
I'm stuffed in a corner with a door to the outside on my right and a door to the server room on my left. Even if I leave the door to the server room open I can tell when somebody is walking towards my area by the displacement of the fan noises. I typically keep the door to the outside locked. My cube entrance is just to the right of my third monitor, which is where I keep all my slacking-off stuff. I share the area with one person, who was gone for three months.
I once went three days without seeing a coworker. =D
 
with the pay i make, i should be like, if you want me to train new employees as an added task on top of what i do, you should offer me additional pay for the additional responsibility, or else get someone else to do it who's normally responsible for that stuff, like a manager
 
@allquixotic ugh that's one of my peeves...
knock on something for god's sake
 
4:16 PM
@Tanner @allquixotic You're both from USA, right?
 
I don't care if you have to rap your knuckles on a cube wall hard enough that it makes a thunk noise. :P Give people time to hide their pr0n before entering
@Luke ya
 
@Luke yeah, opposite corners
although I am not under the illusion that working conditions would be better anywhere else except maybe northern Europe
I just want to be left (physically) alone so I can concentrate, is that so much to ask? apparently yes
 
I just want to see how long before I get booted for my next statement...
I'm going to Cuba in January
 
@Luke Neeeeeeat
 
Hmmm... The CIA isn't booting me off... Alright
 
4:22 PM
Bring back cigars and ship them to me :P
 
Cuba isn't the bugbear that it used to be
it's all about NK now
 
I'm still getting told that if I get caught going, I can't come to USA anymore
Everyone is up in arms about NK
 
@Luke seriously?
wow
 
@Luke wow really?
 
Yea, that's why they don't stamp Canadian passports
 
4:23 PM
lol
 
Weird...
 
I think I would only ever want to travel to countries that are at least very cooperative with the US, if not straight up allies
 
Meh, idc. I'd go to Cuba.
 
@Luke I'm gonna be stocking up on loonies and toonies soon ;p
 
4:40 PM
Did you hear about Intel and the Canadian Mint?
 
@Luke no o_O
 
I keep getting disconnected from this chat all of a sudden... Anyways, the Canadian Mint is trying to do away with cash transactions under $10 and Intel is building the technology to let us do it
Well, let them do it
 
> The value is stored in secure integrated chips and uses a secure protocol that allows the transfer of value from one chip to another. Like cash, it operates without the need for personal identification, is instantaneous and does not have any age or credit requirements for use.
cool :P
 
I'm still paranoid that there will be PII embedded into it
 
5:06 PM
@Luke if Intel is involved in it, it's quite possible that there will be a Pentium 2 embedded in it. ;-)
(yes, I know what Personally Identifiable Information means)
 
Anyone want to adopt a kitten near Bangalore(RT Nagar or something) ? DM me if you do.
@Sathya --^
 
5:19 PM
@Luke We have a trade embargo with Cuba. I don't think you will be prevented from travelling there. People have vacationed in NK, for heaven's sake. Don't think you'll be prevented (maybe scrutinized, but not prevented).
 
5:37 PM
@BenRichards Any reason why the only Americans I've seen traveling there had to come to Canada, then fly over? And why every Canadian knows not to let Cuba stamp their passports? Remember, Canadians aren't treated nicely by border control
 
5:56 PM
hey guys
can i get a windows help?
its related to log auditing
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Q: How can i get access logs from TMG?(e.g GET method requests)

asadzI'm using Qradar as SIEM solution I want to integrate TMG logs so i can get / search GET requests (e.g .jpg,.html,.php) extensions. I know in apache you can get this through web-access logs. Thanks

 
@Luke Our airlines probably don't have any flights to Cuba (likely due to the trade embargo). Also, if Cuba stamped the passport, it probably would mean extra special scrutiny by American customs officials. Trade embargo means potentiality of smugglers.
 
I agree, but I've heard horror stories, so I assume they're all true... Cause, hey, who would lie to me?
 
6:13 PM
:P
 
Hmmm... I'm not getting kicked out of chat anymore... Damn FF cache@
... I think
 
6:30 PM
@BenRichards cubatravel.ofac.treas.gov You need to apply for a license to do travel-related business with Cuba.
Possible since 2011.
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A: Is it technically illegal for US citizens to visit Cuba?

GinaminAs far as my understanding goes, you can visit Cuba, but you cannot spend money there. The USA has an embargo on Cuba. Wikipedia has a pretty solid article on it. You need a license to actually participate in commerce... but since that includes buying food you in essence cannot go to Cuba. Licen...

 
6:52 PM
Interesting find, @DanielBeck
 
is it technically okay to invade another country based upon false facts?
e.g IRAQ
 
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A: Travel to Cuba as dual citizen (USA+other)?

ABCThe Cuba Information Manual ("The Definitive Guide to Legal and Illegal Travel to Cuba") says: The embargo laws do not forbid U.S. citizens from traveling to Cuba. They do, however, forbid U.S. citizens from spending money there without the proper permits, which essentially amounts to the...

 
geez, SE is popping out new sites like hamsters having babies
soon there'll be a sublimetext.stackexchange.com and a micronutrientsfordomesticquadrupeds.stackexchange.com
 
7:32 PM
Argh, you can't install Windows 8 without a key wtf?
All this trouble to get the ISO for the Standard version :P
And then I installed it with my Pro key, and now it's a Pro version :P
 
I have a 3GHz single-core Intel hyperthreading machine with 2GB of RAM and a 7200 RPM hard drive running Windows 7. I do music production, Office, and Visual Studio 2010 on it. It plays 720p video fairly well, and 1080p h.264, but barely. I'm considering building an Intel Core I7 3.5ghz quad-core machine with DDR3 2200 memory and an SSD. What sort of ball-park overall performance boost should I expect?
@OliverSalzburg I didn't think it was ever possible to install it without a key. Or validation, for that matter. Every time we do it here on our isolated network, we have to call Microsoft and ask for a validation key.
 
@RobertHarvey what generation is the single core and what generation is the i7?
i7s have been coming out since Nehalem and up to Ivy Bridge, and there's a significant difference even within the i7s
 
@allquixotic The i7 would be brand new, probably this one:
 
guessing the single core is a Pentium 4? or is it a Core Solo?
 
It's a Pentium 4.
 
7:43 PM
umm... ballpark diff in performance from an ancient, obsolete P4 box to a 3770K with SSD is like the difference between a tricycle and a supersonic jet...
 
Hey
Anyone here?
 
that's the best way I can put it
 
Quick question.
I'm installing an ATI graphics card in a Dell XPS 8500, and the card comes with a plug of sorts.
It converts the "legacy" power plugs to this 6-part connector.
Anyone know what I'm talking about?
 
@Moshe you're probably talking about PCI-E connector, but without knowing the specific graphics card I wouldn't want to assume
 
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7:47 PM
@allquixotic My dev machine at work has two Intel Xeon processors at 2.66 Ghz, processor and memory at 7.6 Windows Experience subscores. It's a nice machine, but TBH is not all that much faster than my "ancient" Pentium 4. So I guess I wouldn't really know what Supersonic feels like.
 
@RobertHarvey Well, I hoped it would behave similar to previous versions of Windows
 
So there are three plugs in there.
The black one on the left is attached to the power supply.
 
@OliverSalzburg Previous versions of Windows didn't require validation. Then again, I was running Windows XP SP3 on my home machine until a few months ago.
 
The one on the right came with the card - it connects to two of the whit guys that you see at the top..
 
7:48 PM
@RobertHarvey the SSD will do a lot for your performance; if your work machine doesn't have an SSD, you're in for a ride
 
My question is why the bottom middle pin is absent in that adapter, and can I use the one with the sixth pin?
 
@DanielBeck As @Luke said, yeah, interesting find.
 
you won't notice the performance increase if you aren't using the performance, though -- the only thing I can think of that would really use it would be multi-threaded compilation in Visual Studio
 
@allquixotic It doesn't. Maybe I should just get an SSD for my "ancient" Pentium V. :P
 
@Moshe My guess is that it's a manufacturing defect. I haven't seen an adapter like that. Though personally, it'd be good to double-check what each wire is used for and if it missing makes sense...
 
7:50 PM
@allquixotic It might matter when I get deeply into the music production (multi-track simulation and recording of musical instruments).
 
@Moshe you're confusing the crap out of me. does your power supply provide a connector with the same number of pins as the graphics card needs (look at the pins on the female port on the card)?
@RobertHarvey basic desktop manipulation won't see a huge difference between those systems, but hopefully you're getting >= 16GB of RAM in the new box, and that alone will virtually eliminate swapping of any substantial amount, and the swapping you DO do will be to the SSD, so it'll be much faster than HDD swapping
even at 4GB on my crap workstation at work I can feel the swap lag with a bunch of browser tabs and word docs open; at 2GB I'd go insane from all the swapping
 
@allquixotic The card has 6 pins. I'm going to go with the one on the board.
 
@allquixotic I think @Moshe is confused as to why the female connector that comes with the graphics card has a random missing metal lead in the bottom middle row.
 
@Moshe if the card has 6 pins and the connector from your PSU has 6 pins, just plug it in
 
@BenRichards Yup
 
7:52 PM
@BenRichards As am I. There's a good chance it doesn't need that pin, though.
 
the dual molex to PCIE converter cable they give you is just... in case your PSU doesn't have a PCI-E connector
 
@RobertHarvey My question is if an extra pin will kill the card.
 
@RobertHarvey I've seen molex connectors have less pins, but not in that configuration.
 
@Moshe the 6th pin on the PSU connector isn't "extra"; it's required if you aren't converting molex to PCI-E
just plug the native cable straight out of the PSU into the card, job done, throw away the molex cable and forget about it, you don't have an old enough PSU to need that cable
definitely not a manufacturing defect; look at the 6-pin connector in that pic
 
@allquixotic Aha! TIL
 
7:55 PM
the metal lead just isn't needed (or would cause some kind of problem) due to the physics/engineering of converting dual molex into PCI-E; I don't know why
 
Anyways, those adapter cables are usually for special cases. In most new cases, you should be able to connect the PSU to the graphics card (or anything else) with a single cable, no adapters.
 
the only reason you'd ever need that cable is if you wanted to move your graphics card to an older system with an older power supply that doesn't have a 6-pin PCIE connector, which would be from ~2006 or older
if you have no such plans, you can toss the cable in the trash, re-sell it, maybe recycle it if you have an electronics recycling program, or just keep it around as junk parts (I usually choose the latter)
 
@allquixotic I have too many junk parts that usually end up in a tangled mess in a box or something. I really wonder what I'll do to organize all that crap.
 
most of the time when you see something weird like that on an adapter cable, it's by design
 
Even if it's standardized cables... I have like 5 extra VGA cables, a couple extra DVI-D cables laying around, and a few ethernet cables, plus umpteen USB cables everywhere.
 
7:58 PM
a defect would be like, the metal lead is there but it's significantly dented or misshapen so as to interfere with the pin or the pin hole
 
@allquixotic I thought it was coming out of the PSU or something on first glance.
But again, I have issues with skimming. ;)
 
@BenRichards heh my biggest vice is USB cables lately... a lot of old mini -USB from the bad old days of using Windows Mobile smartphones before micro-USB was popular
 
@allquixotic Even worse, I have a few USB cables that are mini-esque but slightly different, from before mini-USB became really widely used
 
@BenRichards lol
 
So how do you cool these I7's off when you OC them? Do you need water-cooling, or can you just get a really good heatsink/fan combination?
 
8:01 PM
Or those USB cables that are proprietary (think iPod). I wish I had something to easily recharge my old Palm Pilot. I'd still have fun with it. :P
 
They apparently have a reputation for running really hot in Turbo mode.
 
*Palm Tungsten Tsomething
I might still have the cable.... somewhere.... maybe...
Oh wait, it was an E2
There we go :P
 
@RobertHarvey I use the stock fan and can generally get sustained "turbo" speeds (4.2 GHz), though if you're serious about OCing the 3770K to 5GHz and above, water or (super elite) liquid nitrogen is recommended
 
Gotcha. I don't need Call of Duty at 120FPS or anything like that; I just want a fast, stable system that can handle multiple audio channels and synths.
 
my entire cooling setup is air, but my house is well air-conditioned and an A/C vent is directionally aimed to blow on the intake of my case (I direct it away in winter when using heat), but even without it I can easily use it at stock speeds and with turbo
have multiple large case fans though, plenty of air movement through the case (required for the RAID card)
 
8:06 PM
Are you using RAID 0 on two SSD's (in case one fails catastrophically)?
 
@BenRichards I had a Tungsten C in high school i think, hehe
 
@RobertHarvey RAID 0? If one fails catastrophically, then your entire storage is hosed with 0.
 
@RobertHarvey RAID 0 on two 4TB 7200RPM HDDs; I don't need microsecond seek times, but high throughput, enormous capacity, and cost were my optimization factors
 
High throughput with RAID 0 is heavenly
 
RAID 0 can do very nice write throughput with two 7200rpm HDDs
 
8:07 PM
I can (and do) perform full disk backups or virus scans while gaming and not experience any issues.
 
Hm. It's been awhile since I reviewed my RAID levels.
 
SSDs can still win at throughput in both directions in general, but the capacity just isn't there, or if you get the capacity even close you'll be paying 50x more
 
Ah... RAID 1.
 
SSDs only really suffer in sequential access, compared with HDDs.
 
I spent about ~$250 on an entry level RAID card, and ~$250 per 4TB HDD for 8 TB of usable storage capacity, (I guestimate) at least 5 years of useful life without any noticeable degradation, throughput approaching a low-end SSD (both read and write), and the only downside is I still boot slow because of the seek time...
can easily capture uncompressed (FRAPS) video at 1920x1080@60FPS, as long as the GPU can keep up, which the Radeon HD7970 usually can
 
8:11 PM
I didn't try that hard and just grabbed a couple hybrid HDDs and used hardware RAID on my motherboard (AMD chipset)
 
a half hour capture can run 100GB, but storing that temporarily on an 8TB array is peanuts; I compress it down to about 300-400MB and upload it to youtube.
I basically have a perfect "Let's Play" setup, except I can't stream live because of my slow internet
and the upload takes all night so I fire it off and go to sleep
I recall having serious problems with my disk's write speed keeping up with the throughput of FRAPS' generating data to write to disk, and this vicious cycle would cause high CPU usage, slow down the framerate of the game, etc. ... this was before I got hardware RAID
high quality Let's Play just wasn't possible then
but now I can upload my videos in native 1080p with very good quality, and the only tradeoff I have to make is whether I want the upload to take all night, or all night and all of the next day, which is really just limited by my internet, not the system components
@BenRichards unless you have a really weird mobo, you don't actually have hardware RAID if it's on the mobo...
it's probably FakeRAID, which 99.999% of all mobo RAIDs are
it's called fake for a reason :p
 
Well how would I know? :P
 
@BenRichards does your mobo have a CPU-sized, heatsinked, dedicated chip for doing the processing necessary for RAID? if not, then you don't have hardware RAID. I think only server-grade mobos, and even then rarely, have dedicated RAID hardware on the motherboard.
all FakeRAID is, is the BIOS recognizes a certain disk layout/format as being part of a RAID array, and can boot from it... but all the calculations and synchronization is done on the CPU
sometimes FakeRAID can be slower than software RAID because a software RAID will often be smarter about things like block alignment with the filesystem, because FakeRAID layouts don't know about the underlying filesystem, but software RAID in many cases does (btrfs, NTFS, ZFS)
 
So this says that the I7 3770K is four to five times faster in all areas than my Pentium IV.
 
8:20 PM
@BenRichards it's not that the RAID is implemented by the southbridge; it's just that the southbridge is the SATA controller
definitely fake RAID from what I can tell -- reviews, etc. don't say anything about there being a dedicated on-board RAID controller
put it this way; if the mobo had a dedicated RAID controller on-board, on a desktop mobo, it would be revolutionary enough for all the reviewers and spec sheets to mention it prominently
@BenRichards look at this RAID controller, which BTW is a very low-end, entry level enterprise RAID controller. it can only support a small number of devices. It comes with a dual core 800 MHz dedicated ASIC with a die size approaching a laptop's CPU.
from what I can tell, that PMC-Sierra PM8013 has a 316 mm^2 die size and uses a 45nm microarchitecture, so it's extremely advanced... and that's just for RAID...
 
Anyways
It works well :P
 
the primary difference between software RAID and hardware RAID isn't so much the throughput; it's that your CPU usage spikes when doing significant RAID writes, whereas with hardware RAID it's offloaded to the ROC.
that could have a slight impact on applications making heavy usage of the CPU and disk at the same time.
if you had an app that used very little CPU and just did a lot of writing (like, say, cat /dev/urandom > /home/user/file) software and hardware RAID would be practically identical
@RobertHarvey Yep -- and if all you're doing is surfing the web, you will probably barely notice.. it's when you get to doing I/O with media (video, audio, gaming) that you start to need it
don't forget that the memory bandwidth and disk I/O speed of your new rig are going to probably be even more dramatic of an increase than the CPU
fascinating: git.videolan.org/…
 
8:49 PM
@allquixotic I am hoping I notice compile times decrease in VS as well. 15 seconds feels like a long compile cycle to me, so I recoil in horror when I hear these C++ guys with projects that take 2, 3 minutes to compile.
 
@RobertHarvey you must not be doing very complex stuff if it's only taking 2-3 minutes to compile
build something like the Linux kernel or Xorg or LLVM... probably around 10 minutes on a really fast system backed by an SSD; enable LTO and it'll shoot up to 30
heck i remember leaving my Core 2 system on overnight to compile Gentoo updates to Xorg and Mesa and Firefox
yall spoiled these days with faster compilers and stuff
 
9:16 PM
@RobertHarvey Put it on pcpartpicker.com ;D
At least I think that's what all the cool kids use :D
 
what does it take for i3-5 compatibility?
 
@barlop I don't understand the question
 
Corsair Enthusiast Series 650-Watt 80 Plus Bronze Certified Power Supply *Compatible with Core i3, i5, i7 and platforms - TX650*
 
@barlop AFAICT the platform is more or less identical; i3, i5 and i7 are all LGA1155 sockets, so the power connectors are likely to be the same. They might have slight changes in CPU voltage.
 
9:29 PM
I mean like..
The P4 required a special connector
whereas its competitor, the AMD Athlon XP did not.
It was like a P4 specific connector and PSUs had to adapt and include that just for the P4
Is there anything specific for the i3-i7?
 
@RobertHarvey Couldn't resist ;P pcpartpicker.com/p/UzPK
 
(I don't mean any dfferences in power supply depending on whether i3-i7, obviously not)
 
@barlop The mobo I linked above is an LGA 1155. It's recommended for i5 and i7, but it will accept an i3 as well .
 
I'm not asking about the MBRD
I'm asking about the PSU
that picture was of a PSU
and the text was talking about what the PSU was compatible with
 
@barlop The only difference might be voltages. The i7 I linked above can be overclocked, and the voltage changes a little if you do that.
 
9:34 PM
@barlop Maybe it was supposed to say "Compatible with Core i3, i5 and i7 platforms" ;D
 
But since the motherboard accepts all three chips, it follows that the power supply arrangement (connectors, etc) is going to be identical.
 
no it doesn't.. see my example of P4
err.. actually..
you could be right
of course the p4 example.. mbrds were different for p4 and amd athlon
BUT..
no, I mean..
A PSU compatible with P4, had to have a specific connector.
Obviously a power supply that is -said- to be compatible with P4, will support anything (of the time anyway)
it'd support amd athlon xp
And of course indeed, that PSU will support i3-i7 there's no disputing that
the text says it does
What I am asking though, is, suppose the PSU did not support i3-i7
suppose it wasn't advertised as supporting that.
i.e.
if you bought a PSU 1 year ago, could it be it wouldn't haeve something necessary for i3-7?
i.e. if a PSU is advertised as compatible with i3-i7, it suggests to me that maybe some other PSUs on the market, or some other recent ones that are maybe only a year old, aren't compatible with i3-i7
and then I want to know, what they don't have.
 
@barlop Their own product page mentions "Dedicated single +12V rail offers maximum compatibility with latest components"
But I'm pretty sure the title on Amazon is so that people will be assured that the PSU will work with the system they're building
 
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