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12:46 AM
Hi all
 
1:40 AM
Hi Luke
 
@barlop: no. though if you're getting a haswell, not all PSUs support its lowest energy state
@RobertHarvey: its pretty close to what I built, other than a non K 3770, and a seasonic m12. No video card?
if you can spend a little more money consider the 840 pro, over the 840, faster and dosen't use TLC flash
 
How's it going @ekaj
 
@barlop: everything uses the 'p4'/CPU power connector these days, though its up to 8 pins
 
@JourneymanGeek +1
 
1:56 AM
(well, I have no idea about modern day atom, and/or its AMD equivilent, and some via arm boards use just that...)
 
@Luke not bad,worked on the farm some and now I'm looking into external HDD enclosures. How's it for you?
 
None of the full enclosures for 4+ drives and RAID look too good in the 1-200 range =[
 
2:43 AM
prolly cause when you reach that point, you need a reasonably grown up system
 
2:57 AM
I assume thats excluding drives, and building one yourself is out of the question?
 
excluding drives.. I wouldn't mind to build one by myself, it's something I've just recently looked into. The DAS enclosures I've looked in to (preferably 4+ drives w/ raid) all have terrible reviews
well 4 drives would be more than enough
 
yup, then getting a low end PC and freenas might be a decent option
 
I've heard of freeNAS, I'll read about it some
Actually I should be getting a replacement intel DH61AG mobo soon, maybe that'll do
Has two internal ports / usb 3.0 and eSata, should do fine
 
nice
I ought to do that with my old mini ITX
got a chea[ old case I can use instead
 
Means I'll have to start finding things to take up all the space..
 
3:08 AM
lol
you always do
 
Actually need a bigger 2.5" HDD for my current mini-itx, but I don't have a job so I can't buy any =p
 
hm, why 2.5 inches?
 
it's a really small case ( abload.de/img/m350-103gdv.jpg )
 
Actually one of the fans like the stock fan they showed wouldn't fit in my case, I had to buy a custom fan
 
3:28 AM
I like my cases big ;p
thats probably why they're showing it without the cover
 
 
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4:31 AM
I like that small case, I can put sticky things on it and mount it on a wall or the side of a desk
 
 
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Bob
5:51 AM
@JourneymanGeek When all you have is a hammer...
 
6:07 AM
you better use nails, not screws
 
 
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7:34 AM
Is there a difference between Andorid OS installed on smartphones and Android OS installed on tablets?
 
Bob
8:04 AM
hmm
 
@Boris_yo: not really
 
Bob
I just got a SanDisk SD card. It's described as "Waterproof", "Shock-proof" and "X-ray proof"
That last one... :S
 
8:35 AM
@Bob: if you were an oldschool photographer that would make sense
 
Bob
-_-
oldschool photographer... X-rays? SD?
 
8:57 AM
anybody here?
why can't i ask questions anymore?
when i do, i get this:
Sorry, we are no longer accepting questions from this account. See goo.gl/C1Kwu to learn more.
 
@EinsteinsGrandson: you got question banned
did you actually go to the link?
 
when i post a question
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Why do people keep asking? It's not like they try to hide the info...
 
and when there is a downvote, can i find out who downvoted my question?
 
Bob
@EinsteinsGrandson No.
 
9:02 AM
@EinsteinsGrandson: I mean the "See goo.gl/C1Kwu to learn more"
did you read that link?
 
a thousand times
but this is about something else
 
Bob
5 mins ago, by Einsteins Grandson
why can't i ask questions anymore?
 
somebody downvoted my questions on purpose
 
Bob
-___-
 
@EinsteinsGrandson: no one ever downvotes questions by accident
 
9:03 AM
Yes, they do
 
Bob
@EinsteinsGrandson If it was a serial downvoter (many questions downvoted in a short period of time) it should be automatically reversed.
 
i can even proove it
 
if there's a pattern of abusive downvotes, there's a system in place to handle that
 
ok
what if the system didn't work this time
and yes, i see many downvotes in a short time and that person even had a motive
 
Bob
Wait a day and see. I believe it's every 24 hours?
 
9:04 AM
what do you mean, it's every 24 hours?
he/she downvoted my questions weeks ago
but i didn't ask questions
 
Bob
The automatic reversal checker thingy. I dunno.
 
so, i only found out now...
why can't i find out who downvoted the questions?
i should be allowed to know my enemy
;o)
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Bad mood today?
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A: See Who is Upvoting/ Downvoting My Question/Answer

DiagoNo Voting is anonymous and not even the moderators have access to this information. The only people I suspect that can see is Jeff and the team. From the comments: Voting data is made anonymous before the data dump is done so this information is not available in the data dump. Clarification T...

 
@Bob: just seemed appropriate ;p
 
Bob
9:13 AM
lol
 
So, what can i do?
The suspect downvoted 5 of my questions in 1 hour
I quess I know who he is
I know his motive
 
@EinsteinsGrandson: Here's the thing. The system should catch that. However one serial downvoter is unlikely to have triggered off a question ban
do you have any deleted questions in addition to the ones on your profile?
 
I was able to ask questions before he downvoted
Now, I can't
 
hm. Do I need to repeat myself?
 
Yes, I have 3 deleted questions
 
9:18 AM
hm, thats not that many
course, no one really knows what's the criteria for a question ban
 
It's politics right?
You can believe it or not, it was a revenge
 
Honestly?
 
And the guy was a coward , behaving like that
 
I don't give a shit
 
OK, but what if it is true
 
9:20 AM
I'm looking at your questions, trying to decide which ones I can help fix up.
 
What can I do about it?
 
report it to the mods, I suppose
 
but really a better thing to do is to revisit your questions and try to improve the quality on them
 
No, if somebody just downvoted my questions because he was angry with me, he should be punished
 
9:22 AM
eh. Yeah, cause if I downvoted someone everytime I got mad at them, I'd get suspended ;)
 
No
He had a motive
He did it on purpose
....and downvoted my questions in a short time
 
You just don't believe me
But, this is what happened
 
No, I think you're kinda looking at it the wrong way
 
Bob
I think it's not really disbelief. I think it's got more to do with this:
4 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek
I don't give a shit
 
9:24 AM
XD
precisely
 
So, it is allowed to do it here, right?
Worse than North Korea
 
To me the right approach to this is improving quality, over getting mad
 
Bob
-__-
 
don't get mad. Get awesome
 
Bob
You're really complaining to the wrong people.
We can't do anything to this person even if we wanted.
 
9:25 AM
Look back at why your closed questions were closed, why the deleted ones were deleted. See if you can salvage them.
 
This has nothing to do with the questions
 
answer stuff (since the link suggests good answers might help get the question ban lifted)
 
It's about fairness
 
Bob
You would have been on the brink of a question ban anyway, if so few pushed you over.
 
@EinsteinsGrandson: by design, things like this are taken care of by the system
 
9:26 AM
I can answer 1000000 questions, but when somebody has the power, they can ban me anytime
Like in communism
 
Bob
Though your current ones don't look heavily downvoted..
 
You can't win it
 
all we can do is try to help you do what you can
@EinsteinsGrandson: No human banned you
Its the cold unfeeling machinery behind SE
@Bob: precisely
 
Yeah, but the suspect helped it
 
Which I find more interesting than a conspiracy
I DO see the pattern of downvotes tho
@EinsteinsGrandson: lets say someone got mad at me. Downvoted the hell out of my questions...
I wouldn't get banned :)
 
9:28 AM
So?
Why?
You have answered the most questions ?
 
Bob
You could try reporting this to the mods (or was it the team? :\)
 
of all the users?
 
Bob
no guarantee anything will come of it
 
It was one person
 
@EinsteinsGrandson: nope, but I do have lots of answers
 
9:29 AM
What if it was a mod himself?
...who downvoted
 
@EinsteinsGrandson: first thing you should do is calm down a little, and bring it to the attention of the mods
 
Bob
...what if it was SkyNet?
 
Interesting you should ask that
I know the mods here. I doubt anyone would. But there's a question on it on MSO...
 
There is one Admin.... and there are Owners .... So the hierarchy is like this
?
1.Admin
2.Owners
 
9:31 AM
And mods = owners?
3.Users
 
Bob
Just keep in mind. Your goal should not be getting someone punished. Your goal, if anything, should be getting the downvotes reversed (if they were truly serial downvoting), and the question ban lifted. Of which there are several methods.
Any punishment, etc., would not involve you at all.
The mods/team might let you know, if they want to.
 
SE owns the site. SE employees can in theory overrule a mod, but this is almost never done. mods are users like you, selected by fellow users in an election
serial downvoting detection is also automatic
 
Bob
In any case, you can report the downvotes. Should not do any harm.
 
and it would take an SE employee to see who downvoted, even mods don't have that level of access
 
Bob
9:32 AM
@JourneymanGeek nice hierarchy here: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/28869/187228
 
I am really angry about what happened.... beacause it reminds me the communsim.... They could arrest you, kick you out from university, you could loose your job, they could kill you.... and nothing happened to them.... They didn't even go to jail after the fall of Communism
 
Bob
@EinsteinsGrandson that's actually more a dictator
 
@EinsteinsGrandson: this has nothing to do with politics
 
Bob
true theoretical communism/socialism should not have any position of power :P
 
and seriously, you will be a lot more effective sorting this out with a cool head
 
9:34 AM
This was the reality
 
Bob
but, yea, what @JourneymanGeek said.
 
I actually don't see how you could have a question ban, which concerns me slightly
I also don't know the exact criteria
 
So, "my enemy" should be punished.... because if not, it means he can do whatever he wants to and get away with it
 
Bob
sigh
 
There is no "enemy"
knock that off
 
Bob
9:35 AM
Focus on resolving your problem at the moment.
Not on attacking someone else.
 
precisely
 
He can do it next time
 
I'd like to help you fix that question ban thing.
 
To somebody else
 
Then whatever the hell he does is irrelevant
 
9:36 AM
It's not about me ....
 
you're making it about you
 
Bob
@EinsteinsGrandson Then, go email the team about the downvotes and let them check it out
 
I can be dead tomorrow ... or stop using the internet.... but the person can keep doing this in the future
 
Bob
But, only note the suspicious downvotes and maybe the question ban. Don't attack someone else in the email. I guarantee that won't help your case.
 
and I'd tell the next person the same thing
and try to help them the same way
 
9:37 AM
OK, i will email them
 
^^^^^ THAT
and make sure you make it clear you read the post they linked to you
Make sure you mention you reviewed your questions, and noticed a pattern of strange downvotes.
not that you suspect someone specific serially downvoted you
 
Bob
If the team finds the downvotes suspicious, they will decide if punishment is necessary and apply it. Probably something like a week's suspension.
But that's up to them.
 
So, they will be able to see who downvoted?
my questions?
 
Bob
The SE team, yes. Not the mods.
But they will not reveal this information.
 
ahh, a mod
heya @OliverSalzburg
 
9:40 AM
which one of these people should i send email to?
;o)
 
its at the bottom of every single page.
There's even one for the specific problem you are having
(sorry if I seem grouchy, tired as hell after assembling a load of furniture)
 
Bob
Wait... SE has sales staff? o.O
@JourneymanGeek Ikea? :P
 
@Bob: sorry, no prize ;p
assembled two Markus office chairs, one dining chair, and an easy chair.
 
Bob
wow
that much at once?
 
the markus has like... 20 screws
 
Bob
9:43 AM
heh
 
Bob
been putting off the trip for a while? :P
 
I have no problem talking to anybody who is grouchy.... I only want justice to be done.
 
Bob
Ok. I give up.
 
naw, makes sense since we got it delivered, and that makes the delivery fee more worth it
 
Bob
9:44 AM
Ah, right.
 
But , thank you all for the advice anyway
 
since sadly, there was no way in hell we could fit 2 office chairs into the car and have space for anyone
the chair is great ;p
er malcolm, not markus, my bad
(we also got ceramic knives, mom loves em, and dad threw one out by accident facepalm)
 
Bob
How... how do you accidentally throw out a knife?
 
well
we have this habit of doing our vegitable peeling and cutting on old newspapers, wrapping the whole lot up and throwing it out
dad apparently didn't check very well
 
Bob
ahh
I wouldn't do that, personally :P
newspaper ink has a nasty habit of transferring everywhere
 
9:50 AM
naw, cutting board on top of paper
its VERY efficient... unless you're dad
then again, he also lost the knife sleeve the same way
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek ohhh
 
bizzarely I cannot find the knives on ikea's web page
They do go blunter eventually, but its from frigging insanely sharp, blunted down to 'sharper than most of our other knives'
 
10:05 AM
Greetings :)
 
lo @OliverSalzburg
 
10:18 AM
I see that you see me join here when I power up my desktop in the morning ;D
 
XD
Even I don't do that...
I just leave chat open on a computer I never turn off XDXDXD
 
Yeah, I used to never turn my computers off, but then I realized that that costs money :D
 
lol
its for IRC mainly ;p
old laptop, so not too bad
ought to set up a bouncer on the pi
 
ZNC ftw!
 
10:40 AM
yeah, planning on upping the memory card on the pi, so I don't want to set up anything too serious on it yet
but still budgeting for it
 
Would it ruin your project if I offered you an account on my ZNC? ;D
 
lol
no, but there's some other issues ;p
 
I guess it wouldn't since you probably have the resources yourself ;P
 
about half the servers I go to are very small, insular community servers
 
This 3-screen Visual Studio layout is really having an impact on my access to chat :(
 
10:48 AM
o0
MOAR SCREENS!
 
@JourneymanGeek How is that a problem?
 
@OliverSalzburg: they generally have bloody wierd rules ;p
if its my own server, they're cool with bouncers
else, no
One that shut down recently had a no idle rule.
ON IRC. I STANDS FOR IDLE. YOU DO NOT TELL PEOPLE NOT TO IDLE ON IRC
;p
I know one server on one net won't let me use a bouncer, but the other one will...
XD
 
Still working on the final window selection :D
 
o0
mismatched screens, I approve ;p
well the two side ones are about the same size
 
@JourneymanGeek They are identical in fact
 
10:52 AM
hm, odd then ;p
 
Well, one is rotated 90° ;D
 
yeah
thats obvious
 
Well, the middle one is one of those Korea screens. I didn't see any reason to replace the other two screens at the same time
 
And, initially, I had both outside screens in portrait, but that wasn't useful
 
10:55 AM
then they are not identical ;p
 
It's more useful to have one utility screen in portrait and one in landscape, depending on what you park there
@JourneymanGeek They are identical in the sense that they are identical models ;)
 
OH
I thought you meant all 3 for some wierd reason
 
Oh :D I can see how that happened ;D
 
One 'advantage' of being dyslexic, wierdly good spatial sense.
Makes assembling ikea furniture easy until you manage to fit something backwards.
(only happened twice today!)
 
My biggest problem when assembling furniture is that I usually get frustrated quickly and break something
Sweet, I just my first gold badge on Android Enthusiasts. It's one of those for which you don't have to do anything though ;P
 
11:31 AM
@OliverSalzburg: Oh, my brother does that. Naturally he's the engineer ;p
@OliverSalzburg: 8 ;p
one of them is tumbleweed tho
 
user58869
12:26 PM
how many recent review audits have I failed? I get a message on my screen saying that I have failed too many of them and have been given a ban for that reason, yet I'm quite sure I've only failed one recently, i had a brief exchange with a moderator about this, but I'm unable to send them any further questions until they reply to my last message so I must ask here
 
12:36 PM
@axrwkr You have failed "too many"
 
user58869
1 is too many it seems, a bit harsh if you ask me
 
Do you really think you're in a position to debate your review ban?
 
user58869
@OliverSalzburg not sure what you mean by that, if you mean, "do you think anything you say will make any difference" the answer is no
 
@axrwkr Well, you're right, it won't make a difference. But I would assume other factors were taken into account when the system decided to ban you. I would assume the points mentioned in your correspondence with another moderator lately had something to do with it.
 
user58869
@OliverSalzburg the system did not decide to ban me, a person decided to ban me, at least that is what I have been told
 
12:47 PM
@axrwkr In that case, the message might be a bug. You might want to report it on MSO
Maybe the message should say that you're banned from reviewing for some other reason. I guess they only have one message
 
user58869
I thought it might be something like that, maybe I'll make a post about it one day
 
1:46 PM
@AmithKK don;t stay anywhere close to that
 
2:02 PM
@OliverSalzburg Dark color scheme for Visual Studio! I approve (even if I don't use it right now, I'm in Linux most of the time these days.)
I'm always on Emacs. Even on Windows these days (with Cygwin... yay Cygwin!)
 
@BenRichards It's new in 2012. #1 reason to upgrade for me ;P
 
@OliverSalzburg Oh wow. I downloaded Express. I will have to look at this. :P
 
@BenRichards I would be suprised if there wasn't a native version
er
 
ooooooooo
So they finally caught up with Office regarding providing color themes :)
 
XD
yay, dark themes
 
2:08 PM
Now they need to add native Git support!
 
@Sathya Know anyone who is interested?
 
nope..
 
@BenRichards Well, it was kind of a big deal because they had to consider all the icons and stuff. I read about it on the VS team blog
 
This happened in GMail. And it's happening now. Firefox 20.0.1 on CentOS.
@OliverSalzburg Ah.
So I have no idea why it's red-lining every other word.
 
@BenRichards what language accepts "Hi", "Mike", "I", "do", "if", and "let" as valid words, but not "not", "sorry", "However", "find", "someone", "I'll", "you", and "know"
 
2:22 PM
@allquixotic My thoughts exactly.
 
Gmailese?
 
@BenRichards What are the suggestions?
 
No, it was happening in chat here, too. :P
But not on Firefox for Windows.
I'll look.
 
Firefox on CentOS uses aspell for the dictionary, I think; maybe it's set to Dutch or maybe a dictionary isn't even installed
 
This
Yeah, maybe.
 
2:25 PM
@BenRichards What's under the Languages menu?
 
French!
wtf
 
:D I had a feeling it would be French haha
 
Had to set it to United States
Why it was French, I have no idea.
 
@BenRichards Parce que votre nom est Benoit Richard
(last name pronounced REE-shard)
 
@allquixotic I know how it's pronounced. I'm French Canadian and had this discussion long ago with my family. :P
Even though I don't know how to speak French beyond some simple things, I know how to fake the accent (more or less). :P
 
2:30 PM
I took some French on Rosetta Stone
 
For instance, "Benoit" is pronounced "Ben-wa"
@allquixotic Ah. Rosetta Stone as good as they hype it to be? I want to try it.
 
@BenRichards expensive as all get-out, but fantastic learning experience, especially if you sign up for the yearly Total-e plan (it's all online/streamed, no software installs)
native Android smartphone/tablet version with all the features of the desktop edition, and I think the web version works on desktop Linux if you have a working Flash plugin
 
@allquixotic Aha. I thought it was just computer software. Nice.
 
you have to make it a habit to keep after it, it's entirely self-directed, but with Total-E you can meet up every once in a while with other people and a teacher online on VoIP (the whole thing arranged by Rosetta Stone within their software) and practice
 
@allquixotic Ah, nice.
 
2:34 PM
it's very different from learning a language in a classroom though; it teaches through total immersion rather than formal/abstract instruction
when you learn a language in a classroom, your teacher spends a lot of time talking about the language, in English, and discussing rules of grammar, etc., almost always in English until the very advanced classes
 
@allquixotic Some classrooms do that. I visited a charter school that I applied to (but didn't get in) when I was in highschool and that's how their spanish class was. The entire class they spoke in spanish.
 
with Rosetta, there's not a single word or phrase anywhere of English
 
I like that.
 
yeah. it's entirely in the language you're learning, and you have to rely a lot on visual cues (they make them as obvious as they can)
people who are face blind or something would have a hard time with it, because the primary mode of instruction is showing you a panel with 4 pictures and asking you to either say what they're doing (usually filling in the blank in a sentence), or tap/click on the picture that represents what sentence/word was just said by the narrator, or listen to them speak then repeat it back
the pictures are varied enough that you can't just memorize which pictures go with which words
 
Cool
I might just get the computer program, myself, at least
 
2:37 PM
and they switch it up and randomize the order, too, and change little nuances like plural vs singular, and they really hammer home subtle variations in the language where students often think that it's the same word when it's actually different
also I think a "passing" grade is 90% for each module; if you don't get 90% it doesn't let you move on :P
the offline version is more expensive up-front, but if you are going to learn it very slowly/gradually over a number of years, it's probably a better value than paying a lot every year for the online experience
 
Cool
 
and the offline version doesn't let you use it on non-windows computers ;(
 
nods
Well I have Windows computers so I'm good. :P
I have the app for this on my phone. I just have to actually use it: humanjapanese.com/home.html
 
I think it'd be good enough to travel to a foreign country and be able to survive once you have completed all the course levels offered by Rosetta for a given language
although it would really be helpful if you can practice with native speakers first
 
Of course
 
3:03 PM
@JourneymanGeek Google Voice on my smartphone wants my phone number but fails to verify it. Would Google Voice on tablet that does not have 3G require phone number?
@BenRichards Ah it's you. Been a long time. How was your caribbean vacation?
 
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