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bluejeansummer

06:01

So I'm still dealing with my computer freezing up on me (asked a question about it a few months back, no resolution) and I've run into a rather strange error:

barlop

@bluejeansummer what's the OS?

bluejeansummer

Windows or Linux.

I've had it freeze on both.

barlop

then it sounds like hardware

bluejeansummer

Anyways, right now it just froze, and the readout on the motherboard says 73.

According to downloadmirror.intel.com/20560/eng/…, that's not possible.

There is no listing there for 73.

And I've already replaced the motherboard, GPU, and just today the PSU.

I've about run out of hardware to replace.

barlop

wow long pdf. what page deals with the "readout"?

bluejeansummer

06:04

(I'm posting from another device. Here's the question from a couple months back: superuser.com/questions/466496/…)

75, I think.

Search for "80h"

barlop

When you say you've replaced the motherboard. You have another motherboard identical to that one?

bluejeansummer

Yes, but that one had physical problems that I didn't notice until after the RMA period was up.

(A couple of pins were bent in the primary PCI-E slot)

barlop

and other than that it was fine?

talking the first one

bluejeansummer

I believe so.

I still have it, so I suppose I should look over it again.

barlop

yes

see if it gives the same error as your other motherboard

bluejeansummer

06:07

When I first installed it, I forgot to put the risers under it, and it made a flash/popping sound, but I never did figure out what happened.

barlop

.

hmm

bluejeansummer

I installed the new one correctly, fwiw.

barlop

well would still be strange if it gave the same exact error as your other one

and i've never heard of a motherboard popping from not using the risers.

bluejeansummer

It's freezing the same, though usually that little display shows 00.

What I think it was was that those out of place pins made contact and shorted.

That was before I put the GPU in.

barlop

i've had that happen but no pop

bluejeansummer

06:10

Yeah, I thought it was weird.

The more important thing though, is this freeze.

barlop

so both mbrds fail and with different errors.

At what stage does this error occur?

bluejeansummer

No, both of them usually say 00. Not sure why it's now saying 73, esp right after I put in a replacement power supply.

I can use the computer for a while, but certain things tend to trigger the freeze:

barlop

and prior to the freeze, what does the readout say?

bluejeansummer

Certain games trigger it when performing certain actions, such as opening some menus in Borderlands 2.

Usually 00, which I think means running normally.

barlop

that readout is for a BIOS error, a really early problem, kinds that cause beeps

bluejeansummer

06:12

I'm not usually watching it until after the freeze.

barlop

So the motherboard readout may be a red herring here.

bluejeansummer

Yeah, no beeps here.

I can also trigger it by interacting with too much flash content in a web browser.

barlop

well, perhaps modern ones don't beep i've no idea but either way, a bios issue and that readout, surely wouldn't apply to a freeze that happens as late as that.

bluejeansummer

FlashBlock increased stability like nothing else.

Yeah, I'm super confused now.

barlop

So, do both MBRDs freeze with the same triggers?

bluejeansummer

06:13

One of the comments on my earlier question said it might be a power issue.

Yes.

That's why I replaced the power supply.

barlop

What do you have plugged into the motherboard?

bluejeansummer

CPU, GPU, 1 stick of RAM, 1 SSD, and 4 HDDs in a RAID.

I've swapped out all of those components.

barlop

what if you remove the GPU completely, do you still get graphics?

bluejeansummer

(Well, I had just the SSD or just HDD as I needed an OS to test with)

No VGA port on the motherboard.

barlop

So you need the GPU in there?

bluejeansummer

06:15

Yes.

barlop

Do you have another graphics card to try?

preferably one that you know works fine in another computer at least. and preferably more than one different graphics card to try. Other than your GPU one

bluejeansummer

Yes, it's running an nvidia card, and I have run it with another ati card for a month or two.

Freezes happen with both.

barlop

How about the one stick of RAM, have you tried replacing that with a different stick?

bluejeansummer

It seemed like it froze less with the ATI card, but I don't really know for sure.

I originally had 4 sticks in there, and I've swapped it to just one, and cycled through all 4.

Nothing. memtest86+ comes up clean.

barlop

well we know it's not the RAM!

heh

bluejeansummer

06:18

Really, it seems like the only component I haven't replaced is the CPU, which I highly doubt is it.

barlop

but then it'd be the CPU in both motherboards?

bluejeansummer

I ran the computer on one non-hyperthreaded core, and it still froze

Yes, same CPU.

barlop

Does each motherboard have its own CPU?

or do you have just the one CPU that you've tried in each?

bluejeansummer

The latter.

barlop

That's a suspect then

bluejeansummer

06:20

I know, but how would flash and opening video game menus trigger that?

It makes about as much sense as the power supply being bad.

barlop

I think I have seen a computer freeze suddenly while installing windows, and it was the CPU

BSOD

bluejeansummer

Hmm, these aren't BSODs.

I can see exactly what was on the screen at the time of the freeze.

barlop

could still freeze perhaps

bluejeansummer

Says "9:47" on the clock.

barlop

from cpu

maybe. i haven't seen cpu problems much though

so i wouldn't know for sure if cpu problems always result in a bsod but I doubt they always result in a bsod

maybe they can freeze a computer too

bluejeansummer

06:21

I know, which is why I'm hesitant to replace it.

barlop

remember Windows often freezes when there's a problem

You tried a different power supply though didn't you?

bluejeansummer

Yes, but this has happened in Linux as well.

Replaced it about an hour ago.

With an identical model.

barlop

I guess you're hesitant to replace the cpu 'cos you don't have a spare one to test with?

bluejeansummer

Partially, and because I'm getting really tired of spending $200+ on replacing components that aren't even bad.

The motherboard had to be replaced, but the power supply doesn't seem bad at all.

CPU failure rates are pretty low.

I've never even overclocked this thing.

barlop

well, I once got a CPU off ebay, and it failed.

bluejeansummer

06:24

(I tried at one point, but it wouldn't even get to the BIOS without the "Back to BIOS" button on the motherboard)

barlop

bloody hell you've got a flashy motherboard!!

bluejeansummer

I guess I should at least try, as it's pretty much the only thing I have left to try.

s/try./replace./

Bah, that doesn't work here.

barlop

if you hit the up arrow you can edit

bluejeansummer

Oh, ok.

Chat system we use at work supports sed notation.

Anyways.

barlop

You could resell the cpu if it still fails with it

'cos you can assume that the cpu you bought worked

but don't buy off ebay if you're going to do that

bluejeansummer

06:26

Yeah. I'm probably going to try to resell the power supply I just bought, unless Newegg will refund the purchase.

barlop

what's the name of the chat system that accepts sed notation?

bluejeansummer

HipChat

From Altassian, the people behind BitBucket.

barlop

is it useful outside of business?

bluejeansummer

I'm not sure what exactly it'd be useful for outside that context.

It's basically a hosted version of IRC, with some UI niceties so that the non devs can use it.

So anyways, "when you've eliminated the impossible, whatever remains must be the truth."

Looks like I'm buying a CPU.

Do you know what Amazon's return policy is on computer hardware?

I think they'd be more likely to give me a refund if it doesn't fix this.

barlop

erm, don't know

whether they keep to DSD (distance selling regulations) is relevant

There are some exceptions that some companies make for some kinds of goods.

particularly electronic ones or some kinds of electronic ones.

bluejeansummer

06:37

IIRC Newegg has a fairly strict return policy on CPUs.

barlop

You could resell on ebay

bluejeansummer

Yeah. Not sure how great of a price I'd get there, but it looks like I may not have too much choice in the matter.

I think I'll buy from Amazon anyways, assuming I can find it there.

Found it. **** that's expensive.

barlop

see how much you can resell it for on ebay

in fact you may be able to resell it on amazon

bluejeansummer

Order placed.

I'm not sure what scares me more: that this fixes the problem and I'm out $600, or that this doesn't fix it.

Thanks for listening. I suppose I would've come around to replacing the CPU eventually, but it was good having someone to ask questions and make sure I didn't miss something cheaper first.

barlop

06:54

well, I can't guarantee that you didn't miss something cheaper!

here's a bright side..

,

If the CPU doesn't work, then you know the other one is probably fine(as you can reason that it then probably wasn't the cpu that was the issue). And then if you want you could sell both CPUs

,

Bob

07:56

@soandos Which ones/how? :S

@barlop Host, and yes, it does work manually. You can do it with any telnet program.

soandos

@Bob My old one (old = 2 years old or so) did that, but when I died I got an intel centrino something. Don't have the model number, sorry

Bob

@soandos I meant Atheros router chipsets, not wireless cards..

soandos

@Bob ah, my bad

slhck

09:11

@DanielBeck The video resolution is already indexed by Spotlight? kMDItemPixelHeight and kMDItemPixelWidth. The codecs are listed in kMDItemCodecs. Audio bitrate is in kMDItemAudioBitRate, and the total bit rate is in kMDItemTotalBitRate.

If you're looking to parse an external tool, MediaInfo should give you everything. Also has a Homebrew formula.

There's nothing built into OS X though

Journeyman Geek

@Sathya beats me. Might have something to do with getting all 3 question upvote hats ;p

Boris_yo

DafuQ?! is unresponsive?

I try to sort but nothing happens, no matter how I sort. I try to search for speceific files and no matter how I search nothing happens.

Bob

@Boris_yo have you tried accessing the target folders directly?

are they on a local drive?

are they redirected (e.g. symbolic link) in any way?

Boris_yo

09:30

Yes, yes, address bar shows:

► Computer ► Disk (C:) ► Users ► user ► My Documents

But when clicked on it it changes to the following:

C:\Users\user\Documents

Bob

@Boris_yo Yea, Documents is the actual name (since Vista). Windows (since 7) has shown My Documents as a 'friendly name'. Utter rubbish.

That looks right, though. What about my other two questions?

HackToHell

09:59

Epic troll site :- downloadmoreram.com

slhck

@HackToHell One person I know literally claimed they had downloaded a new sound card recently.

HackToHell

And my friends wanted to download a pixel shader :D

Journeyman Geek

totalgeekdom.com/?p=915 ahh overkill ;)

Sathya

@HackToHell ->

> I wnt ths gaym to paly on my ORIGINAL intl 845....,,,, plzzz.,,, wr cn I dlsd pixl shdr!?????????????????????????!?!?1

5

slhck

10:27

@Sathya Is this an actual quote?

Sathya

@slhck seen something very similar

@slhck what the fk

slhck

@Sathya Because we Super Users are fata**es who need a proper workout. That's why.

SPArchaeologist

(small test - please ignore)

How do I launch Clippy?

HackToHell

@Sathya lolololol

SPArchaeologist

(.... It really works - Must have that on SharePoint overflow chat - we are the Office team, cannot miss that)

HackToHell

10:41

@JourneymanGeek omg !

this reminds me of @JourneymanGeek

slhck

@Sathya Man, the 5 minutes for writing the superping-userscript have already paid off.

@HackToHell ASUS making headphone amps? What has this world come to? :)

HackToHell

I looks AWESOME !

Einsteins Grandson

anybody here?

slhck

Nope.

:P

Einsteins Grandson

When somebody asks me to make pictures by camera that are gonna be 400-600 DPI..... what megapixel ( resolution ) shout the photos I make be?

Or DPI and megapixel/resoulion of photo are 2 different properties?

slhck

10:50

The answer is: It doesn't matter.

HackToHell

@slhck no more free will !

@EinsteinsGrandson because everything is an illusion

slhck

@EinsteinsGrandson You can set a 300 megapixel photo to 600 DPI and you can set a 1 Megapixel photo to 600 DPI. It doesn't matter.

The real question is: What print size should the photo have?

Einsteins Grandson

I should make a paper in MS Word.... so the size will be small

slhck

Go the other way when calculating: You want, let's say an image with 3x3 in.

Einsteins Grandson

ok , then?

slhck

10:53

When you print something you want to print at least with 300 DPI. Better 600 DPI.

That's how many pixels are actually put in a square inch

So if you want to print 3x3 in with 300 DPI you need a 900x900px photo

And if you want to print at 600 DPI you need a 1800x1800px photo

But this all depends on what the print size should be (in that case 3x3 inch)

See what I mean? :)

Einsteins Grandson

Yest

slhck

So you first need to know how big the result should be on paper.

Einsteins Grandson

Yes

Just imagine each picture will be square

slhck

Okay. How big are they going to be on the paper? 5x5cm, 2x2in?

Einsteins Grandson

and the maximum lenght of one side will be 16cm

which is 6.3 inches

slhck

10:56

Okay. So 16cm is 6.3in. 6.3 * 600 is 3780px.

That means your original photo has to be at least 3780x3780px for perfect print quality.

Einsteins Grandson

and when I only need 400 DPI ?

slhck

6.3 * 400 = 2520px

Einsteins Grandson

6.3 * 400 =

slhck

exactly :)

Einsteins Grandson

2520 x 2520 is how many megapixels?

slhck

10:58

Roughly 6

Einsteins Grandson

6.3 megapixel ?

OK

do you have a link to the website?

i.sstatic.net/NaKwI.png ?

slhck

What website?

@EinsteinsGrandson That's Photoshop, actually

Einsteins Grandson

;o))))

I see

slhck

But I guess any half way decent image editor should do that

IrfanView probably has that as well, for Windows. Or Paint.NET

Look at this article: DPI and YOU - Understanding Resolution for Print and Web - Beginner Tutorials - Paint.NET Forum

Einsteins Grandson

How can I save this last 30 messages between me and you on this chat?

;o)

Journeyman Geek

11:04

@HackToHell funny that, I was thinking of getting one of those

well the internal version

but my fastrack works just as well

slhck

@EinsteinsGrandson Click on this link: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7520260#7520260

Journeyman Geek

(and seriously, if you want a good soundcard at a reasonable price, go with low end digital audio workstation gear)

slhck

@JourneymanGeek +1

Sathya

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Bookmarked 6 secs ago by Sathya

Journeyman Geek

(Actually I'm trying to decide between the headphones sidran32 and another friend has or another ATH M50 - my old one is falling apart, and while I favour a SPECIFIC model of extreme low budget headphones for portable listening, My old snobby music pair is falling apart)

Einsteins Grandson

11:09

And what if the picture ratio is not 1:1 but 16:9 or 4:3 ?

Journeyman Geek

lucky for me, I found 2 pairs of my non snob headphones so I got em ;p

(2 dollars. beats the crap out of earphones 10 times the cost. ACTUALLY FIT!)

Einsteins Grandson

then when we get back to Okay. So 16cm is 6.3in. 6.3 * 600 is 3780px.

That means your original photo has to be at least 3780x3780px for perfect print quality

So now, the pic has to be 3780*(4/3) x 3780 ?

Or 3780 x (3/4)*3780 ?

Journeyman Geek

you probably need to worry more about pixel density than resolution. So scale it with actual size on either side

Einsteins Grandson

Journeyman, what do you mean by that?

Journeyman Geek

basically the shorter side would have less picels

slhck

11:13

Just multiply the original size

E.g. 3x4in = 3*600 x 4*600 px

Journeyman Geek

^ that

Einsteins Grandson

And I will keep the picture in 600 DPI , right?

slhck

@EinsteinsGrandson Well, yeah.

@Sathya You're awesome.

Einsteins Grandson

OK, thank you guys

Sathya

@slhck actually, @balpha & @Marc are, but I can take their credit too :P

Journeyman Geek

11:15

actually I need to test these out

and scan the instruction sheet

japanese dollar store instruction sheets are the win

HackToHell

@Sathya I contributed to 4% of the conversation too :P

Sathya

:P

Sathya

11:29

superuser.com/questions/528038/…

what the fk again

slhck

@Sathya Man

Merged for now. Feel free to suspend

hahahaha

Sathya

> loc Tuticorin 25 India :-\

slhck

What did you expect? ;/

Sathya

@slhck next time, it'll be that kill with fire gif

slhck

Do the mod messages support images?

That would open tons of possibilities!

Anyway g2g grocery shopping, later folks

Bob

11:36

> Mistake! There was an attempt of an automatic insert of the message in a forum. Your message is not posted. Try still times who knows - can it will turn out? Still probably, that you too long wrote the message - then pass to page back, copy the text, update page, insert the copied text and press button "Send".

HackToHell

4 rep away from 4k .... lol

Journeyman Geek

lol

funny

@Sathya: I'll be attending a wedding there in a week or two ;p

HackToHell

My great grandma's hometown

Journeyman Geek

my future sister in law's hometown ;p

though

I need to come back early

and this means a 12 hour layover at chennai

and indian airports suck, no place to hang out when waiting for flights

and everyone I know there will be not back from the wedding ;p

HackToHell

go to a movie ?

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Q: Chrome Aw Snap crashes for every none english page

i don't know this chrome crash is from chrome itself or maybe my system (on search seems many people have same problem). anyway i just trying to make a fresh install of it to test if it get fixed But there is a problem. it says to make a new profile go here: ~/Library/Application Support/Google/...

nice title

Journeyman Geek

11:51

@HackToHell: will see

I wish indian airports had accessable waiting areas like everywhere else ><

HackToHell

yay 4k !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Journeyman Geek

yay!

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A: Is it possible to add 2 monitor to Dell XPS 15 Laptop?

I am running XPS L521x 15" laptop display at full HD with two 23" displays at full HD. System configuration as purchased: Win 8 64-bit Video: NVIDIA GeForce GT 640M 2GB GDDR5 VRAM I find that using the 15" laptop display in the center and extending displays to the left and right creates a very...

I'm struggling to see the answer here ;p

HackToHell

lol, guy needs to be more geeky

o0 superuser.com/questions/527963/…

Tom Wijsman

@HackToHell Follow the "this answer on ..." link.

> The answer is found here from serverfault.

Then...

> [Same answer as in: StackOverflow]

Journeyman Geek

lol

so wierd

ya

Tom Wijsman

12:01

And the SU and SO question somewhat differ.

Journeyman Geek

whoa

facebook.com/…

Tom Wijsman

It's somewhat questionable if nginx fits on Super User.

HackToHell

ooh I hit 10k BOINC credits today ;)

HaydnWVN

@JourneymanGeek Not seen those before?

Journeyman Geek

naw, its a mechanical version of the nostromo ;p

which people have been asking for for ages

HaydnWVN

12:15

@JourneymanGeek Extra macro pads have been around for years... I used to use one when playing WOW ~3-4 years ago

Journeyman Geek

@HaydnWVN: its a mechanical macro pad ;p

HaydnWVN

Yeah, and...? :P

Journeyman Geek

thats the thing ;p

mechanical anything is awesome ;p

HaydnWVN

/me rolleyes

Journeyman Geek

XD

though its left handed

@HaydnWVN: one of the things I'd love is a simple 4 button + thumb stick controller to replace a mouse. right handed tho

then again

I just hurt my pointy finger gaming too much

HaydnWVN

12:53

Why the pointy? Why not just use an xbox controller with the analogue d-pad

pretty sure you could fabricate a thumb stick for the middle

Then you enter into the realms of pad vs mouse+keyboard wars

I still consider using the mouse in FPS far superior to any other interface... My console gaming friends would argue, but any time i've seen them play it's far slower and less accurate

My friend who plays BF3 on xbox couldn't get his head around how quick and accurate I was on PC...

HaydnWVN

13:24

Anyone here done MCSE/MCSA?

Boris_yo

@Bob Yes as well. By the way it does not matter which folder I am trying to sort or search, every library displays same problems. Tried removing "Read Only" checkmark and this did not change anything.

Bob

@Boris_yo so.. they are redirected?

Boris_yo

@Bob No, I don't see any symbols.

HackToHell

14:21

NFS Most Wanted really thrashes cars xD i.imgur.com/En2yV.jpg

Journeyman Geek

14:36

@HaydnWVN low movement pointing

this is more for general stuff than gaming in my case

think a oversized trackpoint type device

Boris_yo

14:52

@HackToHell Why exactly at the airport? And that Mr. Hodges really hates luxury sports cars...

HackToHell

@Boris_yo It had a lot of jumps, easy way to wreck car :)

Boris_yo

@HackToHell I think these are specifics already which I am not familiar with because I have long time ago quit game addiction... No rehab needed ;)

HackToHell

The only game i found addictive was tf2, took me quite a will to quit.

Boris_yo

@HackToHell So you too quit gaming? Or currently on rehab (resting place for addicted gamers)?

HackToHell

I only quit playing a game :P I find messing with my pc to be more interesting than games

Journeyman Geek

14:59

;p

I've been gaming a lot lately

tho stopped playing borderlands 2 for torchlight 2

In which @slhck explains & compares DPI & MegaPixel

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