Root Access

HackToHell

02:40

@Boris_yo His wife :P

@JourneymanGeek The no is seemingly a series

I am supposed to find it's characteristics :/

HackToHell

03:41

Click to see a video of a modern bird using stability flapping during predatory behavior. It all fits! Also, apparently Microraptor had *four* wings? The past keeps getting cooler! (And there's more of it every day!)

@jokerdino ^^

Epic : reddit.com/r/photoshopbattles/comments/zkv19/…

Boris_yo

04:33

@HackToHell About cat gets wet?

HackToHell

@Boris_yo no about a cat being stalked

Boris_yo

@HackToHell Stalked? But cat was the last one. There was not continuation of chain.

HackToHell

Boris_yo

@HackToHell This is not the image I saw back there.

HackToHell

@Boris_yo See the comments, they are all images

It's a battle :P

Boris_yo

04:41

@HackToHell Battle for humour?

HackToHell

kinda

Boris_yo

@HackToHell Un-FREAKING-believable! Oh SHIT!

nhinkle

wow

Boris_yo

@nhinkle Intel SSD 330 120GB

Indeed you can forget about CPU, RAM and instead focus on HDD which is a bottleneck 200%

HackToHell

04:58

SSDs are costly :/

jokerdino

05:11

@HackToHell lol read that already.

Sathya

k

jokerdino

Free flag

Sathya

@jokerdino too late

jokerdino

Darn

Sathya

why would you edit & not remove the email address?

jokerdino

05:15

shrug.

Who approved that edit without improving?

Sathya

Bad @Paul is bad.

superuser.com/review-beta/suggested-edits/28343

Paul

@Sathya I missed the email address?

jokerdino

Yessir.

Sathya

@Paul well both you and the editor

Paul

Wow. It is just blindingly obvious.

Boris_yo

05:19

Windows 7 loading times decreased from 4 minutes in HDD to 20 seconds on SSD! Oh shit! And I am not talking about performance withing OS itself!

@Paul Hello Paul. Man SSDs are incredible.

Sathya

well it is easy to miss. Particularly if you're focusing only on the diff

Boris_yo

@Sathya The subject matter is HDD and not flash cards and memory readers.

Paul

@Sathya Yeah, sure is. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inattentional_blindness

Sathya

@Boris_yo ?

Boris_yo

@Sathya That guy doesn't understand the difference between HDD and sd card.

Sathya

05:22

anyway, reviews FTW!

jokerdino

@Paul selective hypermetropia?

Sathya

@Boris_yo I have no clue who you're referring to as "that guy"

Paul

@jokerdino Yeah exactly :)

Boris_yo

@Sathya Rao MLN

HackToHell

►

Paul

05:25

@Sathya My favorite example of inattention blindness is where the gorilla walks unseen through the middle of a group playing catch with basketballs. Missing that email is my second favorite.

Sathya

haha, I've seen that video.. same happened to me :D

@Boris_yo ah

Paul

@Boris_yo Yeah. The sad thing is how quickly you get used to it, and start moaning that it takes 22 seconds rather than 20.

Boris_yo

@Paul This is called "spoiled". The flaw of humanity.

jokerdino

05:50

0

Q: A Windows Update Prevented Live Discs From Working?

First off I'll state my system specs. Acer Aspire M1100 Windows Vista Home Basic 32bit OEM 2 Gigs of DDR2 ram 160Gig hard drive 2.7Ghz AMD Athlon 64 processor ATI Radeon X1250 Graphics card A few days ago my computer did automatic updates and updated windows defender to KB915597 (Definitio...

@Sathya want? --^

Sathya

@jokerdino yeah,., sounds like hardware problems though

jokerdino

Yeah, it is not much about Ubuntu. I am thinking of sending it over to SU :P

Sathya

sure

jokerdino

Thanks.

Sathya

06:34

@jokerdino see this is why I hate comments like "belongs on x"

why can't they mention question will be migrated?

1

Q: Windows Defender Update KB915597 (Definition 1.135.415.0) > BSOD > Computer No Longer Starts

First off I'll state my system specs. Acer Aspire M1100 Windows Vista Home Basic 32bit OEM 2 Gigs of DDR2 ram 160Gig hard drive 2.7Ghz AMD Athlon 64 processor ATI Radeon X1250 Graphics card A few days ago my computer did automatic updates and updated windows defender to KB915597 (Definitio...

bsod livecd automatic-update boot-failure windows-defender

jokerdino

Well, wow.

He reposted it.

Someone on AU chat said KB915597 checks whether Windows is genuine and BSODs if otherwise.

Sathya

that's bs

jokerdino

@Sathya No one actually said that on AU though.

@Sathya Right. Thought so too.

Sathya

it might mention that it's not genuine, but it will not cause BSODs

jokerdino

I think that's what happened to my home pc last time.

It plastered the version is not genuine all over the place.

HaydnWVN

07:41

Hey

@jokerdino Yup, when Windows isn't activated before the activation period expires (ie it's a cracked/dodgy licence #) it'll remind you every step of the way about it not being genuine. When the OS reaches 'End of Life' it won't be entitled to updates, only service packs. Which is moot anyway as Windows Update won't work without Activation.

jokerdino

Yeah, those greedy b*****

Sathya

@jokerdino :/

jokerdino

Yeah? lol

Any Firefox ninjas around? How do I turn off the browse by name feature?

HaydnWVN

07:56

I still find it quite funny that Microsoft still let people with h4xx0red Windows install Service Packs

jokerdino

my home pc came with a fake XP. My laptop has a genuine Windows 7.

Apparently, those Indian computer shops just install fake copies o.O

HaydnWVN

Yup

Have heard of it happening, seen it myself a couple of times here in the UK (used to work for an IT support company with a workshop for public/small business repairs)

Bob

@jokerdino Browse by name?

jokerdino

Yeah

Bob

@HaydnWVN Honestly, it's better for their image than increasing the number of infected Windows systems...

@jokerdino Could you describe it? There apparently was a "browse by name" that was discontinued in FF 4

jokerdino

08:07

ok this is the problem I have.

when i type two or more words in addressbar, it searches google.

Bob

That was essentially running address bar searches across "I'm feeling lucky", i.e. going directly to a site if the name is typed in the address bar.

jokerdino

but if i type only one word, it doesn't resolve as quick

Bob

@jokerdino That's because a space is not a valid URL character.

jokerdino

ok well crap. switched dns and it works

Bob

:\

The new DNS returns a false faster? :P

7

A: Firefox, localhost works intermittently?

That's most likely because you have a space somewhere, Firefox sends it to search instead of substituting %20. Firefox will only replace spaces when it recognises you typing an address. Firefox doesn't automatically recognise localhost as a domain the same way it recognises *.com (etc), apparentl...

jokerdino

08:10

I was reading this - support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/822346

Bob

Personally, I just use the InstantFox plugin. Behaves kinda like the Chrome address bar.

jokerdino

switched DNS like that dude and it fixed

Bob

What happens is, with a space it's definitely not a valid URl so it searches Google.

Without a space, it could be a valid URL so it tries a DNS lookup on that first.

jokerdino

I don't want it to search for any domains.

I just want it to give me search results and editing DNS does.

Thanks otherwise. Upvoted.

Bob

I just use InstantFox, which always searches Google on single words :\

@jokerdino Thanks? o.O

That answer was really for the opposite problem :P

Greg

08:13

Morning all

jokerdino

@Bob I had that installed but removed that later.

@Bob :P

Whoa, slhck got married?

Bob

@jokerdino Oh yea, as our resident Ubuntu user, have you ever used/how is the netbook edition?

jokerdino

netbook edition is the same as Unity.

They dropped that edition once Unity became the default DE.

Bob

...what's the difference, then? :P

oh

facepalm

I was kinda expecting it to be, you know, lighter? xD

jokerdino

lol it was sorta lighter. But they made it bulky to be a general purpose DE.

Greg

08:15

@Bob it is lighter compared to Gnome3 which is the direction Ubuntu was going

jokerdino

I am using gnome3 (gnome-shell) atm

Bob

@Greg As a KDE user, I guess I really can't complain xD

Greg

@jokerdino yes, gnome3 was dropped in favour of unity for recent ubuntu versions

jokerdino

What??

Greg

but you can still get gnome3-shell without any major headaches... don't worry!

jokerdino

08:18

O_o

I am using gnome3.

Greg

Yes, you said...

jokerdino

And unity is a shell on gnome3.

So, gnome3 wasn't really dropped. Just that gnome-shell wasn't the preferred shell.

Greg

@jokerdino yes, I must have understood the part where you said I am using gnome 3 (gnome-shell) to mean you were using gnome-shell instead of Unity.

jokerdino

Yep. Just that.

Greg

oh ok, well I meant to imply that gnome shell was dropped in favour of unity

jokerdino

08:21

That's right. :)

Sathya

@jokerdino yes ;p

jokerdino

@Sathya Pics? lol

Bob

@jokerdino There's got to be a relevant xkcd somewhere...

jokerdino

I think I know..

xkcd #322

Bob

lol

Too late for ninja edit?

jokerdino

08:32

Hack shared it a couple of days ago.

@Bob The onebox is too big.

Journeyman Geek

But one of the regulars in the channel is a girl!

no it isn't ;p

jokerdino

Darn you :P

Journeyman Geek

Also, least from my classes, there's a suprising number of girls in forensics.

(that is to say girls>0)

;p

jokerdino

:P

anything is better than nothing.

Journeyman Geek

lol

says the guy in a co-ed ACS?

jokerdino

08:40

heh :P

it was only co-ed for two years.

as in, for me.

Journeyman Geek

oh?

jokerdino

from sec 1 to 4, it is not co-ed. that's what i am saying.

Journeyman Geek

ahh

oh?

jokerdino

oh and ah?

Journeyman Geek

I though IB was a straight run?

jokerdino

08:42

IB starts in yr 5. But you got IP from sec 1

IP through to IB.
O level and then to IB.

Journeyman Geek

newfangled confusing thing ;p

ok, now it makes sense

jokerdino

yeah :P

Clippy

09:05

Super User Blog: Question of the Week #42: 42 Question of Awesomeness!

kronos on September 10, 2012

The number 42 is amazing, and so to honor Douglas Adams answer to live, the universe and everything, I have collected 42 amazing questions/answers that we haven’t featured yet. These aren’t in any particular order, as they are all interesting or awesome in some way or another.

1 Storing hard drive near electric wire – Ever wonder if your hard drive could be ruined while being near electical lines well here’s the tl;dr answer:

2 What are PATH and other environment variables, and how can I set or use them? – Environment variable can be a powerful tool to use. The answer is a great guide on the how’s what’s and why’s of environment variables within Windows. …

Sathya

09:37

@Clippy kickass

Greg

Is there a way to get rid of the metro crap in W8?

It wouldn't be a bad OS if they got rid of that for desktop

Sathya

3

Q: How to disable the start screen on Windows 8 Release Preview?

The old advice to set the REG_DWORD value named RPEnabled (some sources claim it's RPEnable) under HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer to 0 doesn't work anymore since the Consumer Preview (i.e. now also for the Release Preview). Yes, I tried both RPEnabled and RPE...

windows windows-8-preview customization hack

Greg

Nice... miles of hacks. Might be worth it though

HaydnWVN

11:51

@Clippy Spelling/grammar check/proofreading needed!

@Greg AFAIK Microsoft want everyone to use the new start screen, but there's so much talk about it i can see them adding an option to use 'Desktop as default' in a fix/service pack, certainly after 'official' release.

Greg

Yeah, I can't see desktop machines using the start screen ... especially in an office

Journeyman Geek

@HaydnWVN: or a dozen third party addons ;p

HaydnWVN

Agreed, certainly in enterprise/pro versions it should be geared more towards an office/professional/non-touchscreen version

@JourneymanGeek To an extent yeah, but the amount of people that use a different shell or lots of UI tweaks in a normal windows 7 office environment is very low so i don't see lots of 3rd party addons being setup by administrators (that break every few patches)

it's too much of a headache

changes here are very much 'well this is the way its done now'

from a support side it makes things easier - less to 'fix'/break in the first place

and also from an administration side

(ie everyones desktop/start menu is basically the same for troubleshooting/guidance)

Journeyman Geek

ya

I know ;p

even on my small office network with no central software installed, I tried my best to keep the damned things identical ;p

HaydnWVN

12:28

I've got a network here of 30 PC's with 15 more attached in 3 different sites via Fibre and another 20 attached from 5 other sites via ADSL, 2 with their own servers... Not a huge amount of PC's but we're running Windows 7, XP, 2000, 1x SBS2011 and 6 Ubuntu servers. It's hard to keep track of what's where and which applications they use... On less than 100 PC's!

60% of our software is a bespoke system, but there's 120 different elements of it :/

Journeyman Geek

lol

most I did was 4-5

actually I have more at home now ;p

HaydnWVN

So at least getting all the Windows boxes somewhere 'standard' (as only a couple of my users are advanced) is a huge requirement :)

i used to run 4 machines at home, but since i moved jobs, moved in with my girlfriend and all the other 'real life' stuff took over i'm now down to 1 and hardly have enough time to use that as much as i'd like lol

I went from being self employed and playing WOW for ~50 hours a week to being full time employed and strugging to play 5 hours a week of BF3 :/

sucks in some ways, but more awesome in others so i can't complain :P

i really miss working from home though

Journeyman Geek

lol

At the moment I have...4 systems running, another 4 which SHOULD run, but are surplus

and 2 which I need to test

tho one is a SGI octane

Hennes

I never had an octane.

I had the blue pizza box (indy) though.

Journeyman Geek

sort of .. picked up one from a british university ;p

Hennes

12:37

And half a dozen SUN and intel PCs

Journeyman Geek

sometime before i had my lovely little nervious breakdown

Sathya

-2

Q: Could we please be a little bit nicer to new users?

There is a distinct decline in the level of civility here. Some of this is due to new users coming in and posting spam and other nonsense, but the offtopic and downvote buttons are doing a pretty good job of keeping this under control. Unfortunately, a lot of this is coming from more experien...

discussion new-users etiquette

Hennes

Now I am down two two used (desktop & laptop), and a spare netbook under a layer of dust (asus E701 surf)

Journeyman Geek

and identical to one posted in meta.serverfault

Hennes

Heh. I have posted quite a lot of those. Some even got accepted as answer despite being formatted as "this is the answer. Oh, and if you googled then the first 9 out of 10 hits would have given you the same answer"

Hmm, no, the 9/10 was not answe.

It was this S.U. post serverfault.com/questions/425831/…

Journeyman Geek

12:45

0

A: Could we please be a little bit nicer to new users?

I would ask, good sir, that you do not crosspost the same post with minor changes to multiple sites. Or well as the commenter above pointed out blatantly copy the same posts. I'd challenge you to a duel, but its painfully hard to find a white glove, and I am told shooting someone, even politely i...

did I lay it on too thick?

@Hennes: eh, I do often follow up advice with 'google for this' ;p

Hennes

Google for A or B is useful

Though I usually prefer to add that to a longer question.

A few lines of text, half of which comes down do "lazy bastard. Just type the name in a search engine" is a bit on the edge.

HackToHell

12:58

More reasons to use peer block

brisbanetimes.com.au/technology/technology-news/…

Hennes

13:21

Weird. "Add comment" seems to do nothing for me.

jokerdino

Sure?

Hennes

Yes. Both on SU and SF.

Worked this morning.

I already restarted firefox. No change.

jokerdino

I guess it has to do with cache..

Hennes

Will try a computer reboot next. (I am on windows)

jokerdino

Are you behind proxy?

Hennes

13:23

No. Just NAT from the modem to the glass fibre to the net

Same configuration as this morning.

And this morning it worked.

jokerdino

Might want to post on the meta.

Hennes

Rebooting windows first. Might be as simple as that.

jokerdino

Good luck.

HackToHell

I finally understand why tumblr is soo beautiful

jokerdino

What?

You gotta be kidding.

HackToHell

13:26

tumblr.com

There's a global tag list

tumblr.com/tagged/cat

So it's sooo coool

HaydnWVN

14:00

@JourneymanGeek * lends JG a white glove *

Hennes

14:16

Back. With working comments

Took a while for me to find the email adress so I could log in with me USERNAME.

Hennes

14:28

@JourneymanGeek lend him a solid mideval gauntlet. It has more impact. :)

Journeyman Geek

0

A: Could we please be a bit nicer to new users?

I was a new user not so long ago here ( I still have relatively low rep - certainly nowhere near earning myself a rubber duck and well, civility is a double edged sword. I read the FAQ (despite being a top user on one of the sister sites) and read it again when they changed it (and if people ne...

and totally distinct answer to an identical question ;p

jokerdino

@JourneymanGeek Nope.

Journeyman Geek

@jokerdino: ya.

jokerdino

OK, let me read the entire thing.

Journeyman Geek

/me hands the dino shopping bags

@jokerdino: see the same question on SU

jokerdino

14:40

@JourneymanGeek o.O

@JourneymanGeek he just copied a meta post that was a couple of years old??!

Sathya

@jokerdino yes

jokerdino

14:56

@Sathya :/

Sathya

is @TomWijsman around?

Tom Wijsman

@Sathya /me senses a performance, troubleshooting or debugging problem.

Sathya

hehe, sorry to disappoint you ;p

but yes it relates to that

you had a answer/blog post about event log right?

something on the lines of how to make use of it/etc

hi @WarriorBob

trying to find it :(

Tom Wijsman

Hmm, don't think so.

jokerdino

hi @war

Sathya

15:02

oh :(

Tom Wijsman

More likely to be a SU Q&A post, but then still, made quite a while so unsure.

I made a list with Oliver.

13

Q: Is there an exhaustive list of what Windows logs or can log?

I know that there is the event log, but that's not where it stops. There are logs for MSI executables, device logs, setup and installation, performance logs, and so on. It's probably quite a long list; however, where can I find such an exhaustive list of what Windows logs? By preference it would...

windows logging tracking events minidumps

Sathya

seen that, not that one though

thanks anyway

Tom Wijsman

@Sathya: I remember another one, moment...

This one?

2

Q: How to troubleshoot events in the Windows Event Logs?

How do you troubleshoot events that are not clear when you read them? Is there a website to search for those Event IDs and errors? In the following example event it is clear that the gateway resolution fails for the network location awareness service, but it is not clear what the cause of this...

windows troubleshooting event-log

Sathya

looks so.

remembered one with more votes :/

but yes that's fine. Thanks!

Warrior Bob

Hello @Sathya, @jokerdino

allquixotic

15:05

Nyan.

jokerdino

Oh oops. Blue diamond.

Journeyman Geek

WHERE? HIDE BEFORE THEY FIND YOU!

jokerdino

hides behind Ash.

allquixotic

You must escape. I am cutting the power to your cell door. Get ready. 5. 4. 3. 2. 1. electrical spark door opens

memories of Deus Ex

Journeyman Geek

lol

jokerdino

15:07

hahaha

Journeyman Geek

ugh

Warrior Bob

Ha, am I diamonded in here?

Tom Wijsman

@Sathya: Oh, this one was one that was turned into a blog post and I think you're confusing it for event log:

34

A: How do I troubleshoot when I have no clue where to start?

Get a better idea. You ain't going to win a battle without sufficient field information. Describe your problem in detail so that you have a good idea of it, who knows it just happens once. Track back in time what happened before and together with the problem, both you and your computer. Think ...

(Does mention event log once, though)

Sathya

probably

Warrior Bob

@Sathya Didn't realize that carried over between sites' chatrooms. Cool :)

jokerdino

15:09

@WarriorBob No, he wasn't replying to you. :P

allquixotic

Warrior Bob in the skyyyyyy with diamonds

Sathya

@WarriorBob yep.. since the chat domain is stackexchange ;)

Journeyman Geek

chat.se is a single site methinks

allquixotic

hands @WarriorBob a ♦-studded cookie welcome!

Warrior Bob

@jokerdino Oh derp. Sure enough. I need coffee this morning apparently.

Journeyman Geek

15:11

lol

allquixotic

eating a ♦-studded cookie sounds painful unless you have ♦ crowns on your teeth

jokerdino

@WarriorBob Drink more of it.

allquixotic

anyone have a Nexus 7 tablet? if so, have you encountered an issue where the touchscreen seemingly randomly stops responding to inputs or requires multiple touches to register a single tap?

HaydnWVN

Stop with the coffee already, it's 4:15pm and i don't want another before i finish at 5 :P

@allquixotic Have a friend with one called me with something similar to this happened last week, he's only had it a few weeks and i've not used one myself, yet

but i got him to soft reset it, told him to update it and if it keeps happening to get it replaced

is it more like a software/OS bug?

allquixotic

i've heard other reports of it on the inet but nobody can figure if it's hardware; I suspect it may be related to the touchscreen firmware (I learned several days ago that, yes, touchscreens have firmware)

HaydnWVN

15:16

They're an I/O device so yeah makes sense :)

allquixotic

that would be field updatable via an OTA so I'm gonna hang on to it for a while and see if an OTA fixes it

if not I'll be sending it back

there are also many reports of the screen "peeling off", so if that happens it's definitely going back, but so far the hardware itself looks flawless

HaydnWVN

Yeah i've been tempted several times, but as for how little i actually used a laptop when i last had one (~2006) i'll hold off until the Surface and ultrabooks mature more

allquixotic

nobody who's tried to diagnose the bug with the touchscreen can really provide exact steps to reproduce though. some people said it was high RAM / high CPU / heat-generating apps that does it, but I played Mass Effect: Infiltrator for 3 hours hammering the Tegra 3 OpenGL ES functionality and using multiple fingers on the touchscreen with no issues

but sometimes it happens while I'm just typing in Chrome

jokerdino

Hey!

allquixotic

@HaydnWVN, I didn't think I'd really use a tablet until I got one, then started finding tons of uses for it

HaydnWVN

15:22

@allquixotic Does sound more I/O or firmware related rather than a particular fault then

certainly if you can't reproduce it with that kinda load

allquixotic

it's the perfect device to continue intellectual activity while on the crapper, for one thing :P instead of wasting that time (no pun intended) the time can be put to use reading articles or writing emails

HaydnWVN

@allquixotic Then you really do spend far too much time on there ;)

allquixotic

also I'll be using it while out and about in Boston in a couple weeks on a trip. I have a map saved on Google Maps with all our destinations that we've planned, and will use the built-in device GPS to simply navigate us from one location to the other in whichever order we decide to go to them

we'll be able to use Street View to yo dawg our trip while hanging out at a coffee shop

HaydnWVN

@allquixotic Great, but all of those things you can easily do on any smartphone?

allquixotic

yo dawg i herd u like to tour Boston so I got you a tablet with google maps so yo can tour boston while yo tour boston

HaydnWVN

15:24

just a smaller screen, slightly slower :P

allquixotic

yeah... and I already have an ICS smartphone (Razr Maxx) but the main objective of the tablet is having a bigger (and higher quality) screen to work with

the smartphone works for car navigation because I mainly rely on the voice to tell me where to turn, but I need to actually look at the map to navigate on foot

still, there's something hilariously meta about being able to virtually "walk" the streets of Boston using Street View before we actually do it in person

sitting at a coffee shop or on a bus or taxi and scoping out our tour to get a visual sense of the land marks

HaydnWVN

Yeah i've done that before, really handy to get the 'feel' of a particular road/turning/building before you get there

We use it here with deliveries, sometimes even having a look at small roads to doublecheck we can get an articulated lorry down them (we don't trust some new customers lol)

it's more of an objective view than 'here-say' from some landscaper

allquixotic

i don't interpret verbal instructions about how to navigate somewhere, anyway. people are like "you turn down this road by the XYZ sign and take a left by the mailbox, then go up the long driveway until you see the blue car" and I end up 3 miles down the road

i can do visual memory of landmarks though

HaydnWVN

verbal instructions are useful, usually better than an address/post code. But you really do have to use a combination of everything to get the best idea

r.tanner.f

Really? Somebody starts giving me verbal instructions and I'll cut them off and just ask for an address. "Turn left at the cow pasture drive half way to the moon and then hang a right" just doesn't work for me. Even if there's a giant brick of cheese as a landmark, rather have an address thanks.

allquixotic

15:37

yeah I'd rather use GPS to navigate. I can navigate by Google Navigator to an address, or using visual memory of landmarks, but I can't translate someone's verbal directions into proper navigation unless it's something real easy like on one of the big interstates

r.tanner.f

I do appreciate "Take exit x instead of y", just in case that devil woman in the Tom Tom leads me astray. >_>

allquixotic

"Take exit 14A/14B. Then, keep left." ... "Keep left, then keep left." Me: AAAAAGHHHH

r.tanner.f

I actually had one get me stuck looking for a Walgreen's in Seattle. Nothing but "Turn right. Turn right. Turn right. Turn right." Grrrrr... There was no Walgreens. :( I think she was just mad at me because we hadn't talked in a while...

allquixotic

it probably moved or shut down

my phone navigated me to a pizza place inside a hospital, once... after I realized it was inside a hospital we decided to go elsewhere lol

it was like, "turn left." and we could see the "Emergency Room Entrance" sign, and were like, ummmm I think not

HaydnWVN

You guys are lucky with your GPS over there, here it's accurate to 10's of feet, so a 'take the next left' can easily mean 1 of 3 streets when driving @40mph in a housing estate

allquixotic

15:43

country?

HaydnWVN

(ok that's a rough analogy)

UK

allquixotic

ah :)

HaydnWVN

but most sat nav's here are more accurate when given a street & city, then a house/building number as that information is built into the map

allquixotic

yeah in general it's extremely good/reliable (as are the Google Navigator directions) in major cities, and even most suburbs, as well as all interstates

HaydnWVN

but most people will use a 'post code' (like zip code) as it's quicker an easier... a Post code here is the middle point of an area

inner city it's usually the street you're looking for... More rural you can easily be 3-4 miles out (by road), even more rural - you're the wrong side of the motorway/river/valley with a 10/20 minute correction

allquixotic

15:46

I'm not sure how google navigator interprets entering just a zip code into it to navigate to, it'd probably take you to the post office :D

HaydnWVN

I know this through many years of satnav use (1999-2010 doing on-site repairs) throughout the west-midlands and wales :)

Couple that with peoples inabilities to update their device... (Ok most of that's the devices fault - charging stupid amounts for map updates)

Not to mention some very interesting 'routing' (one reason i hate Tomtom's)

allquixotic

in my opinion, navigation devices that aren't directly connected to the internet through a WAN (usually cellular data) are pretty much obsolete these days

use GPS to detect where you are, use the internet to tell you how to get to your destination... always using the latest data

HaydnWVN

Yeah great, but try it in a country with only about 15% 3G coverage geographically :P

GPRS just doesn't cut it!

allquixotic

we get some kind of cellular data (mostly 3G, with 4G on a major ramp-up) over the vast majority of our country, except for little patches of extreme rural environs with nothing

i took a train trip cross country from MD to CA in 2007 and had 3G on my phone for like 90% of the trip

and that was five years ago, can't imagine I wouldn't have 100% now

HaydnWVN

Nice... If only!

allquixotic

15:54

whenever Verizon does something dastardly/evil/irresponsible I always have to put it in perspective of the fact that they have practically blanketed one of the largest countries in the world (by area) with advanced cellular data... and it'll all be 4G (pure IPv6) by 2020

it makes their evil seem not so bad in that context

HaydnWVN

I'm in a fairly rural area, but on the outskirts of the largest city for 50 miles... I live one side and can get 3G, 6mb ADSL and an option for fibre shortly... I work the other side, only patchy 3G coverage on 1 network (no others) and 2.2mb ADSL on a business line with 1:1 contension. These 2 spots are 10 minutes apart by car, if i were to go half a mile further (where one of our sites is) they struggle to get 500kbs ADSL and regularly go back to 'Dial-up' over the winter months for stability.

allquixotic

I think your land lines are developing as well, or better than ours. I live in a suburb nestled between two major cities (Baltimore and Washington DC) and the best I can get is 7 Mbps ADSL, with fiber promised in 2005 but permanently cancelled, i.e. we will NEVER get fiber to the premises

HaydnWVN

It's insane how behind the UK is, everything is very advanced inner city (have a friend in Birmingham (approx ~1 hour away by car) with 50mb fibre...

allquixotic

can't complain about 12 Mbps LTE at home and it goes up to 15 Mbps at work due to higher signal strength, but I'm incensed about how little they've developed and maintained our landline infrastructure... I don't really blame them that much (although I do blame them a little) because of all the cost of all that digging

HaydnWVN

Had an interesting conversation several years ago with a BT engineer... BT had been promised several billion £ to rollout ADSL across the UK... Then the first gulf war happened and their billions budget was down to millions

Luke

15:58

@slhck I know you're not here, but I just heard the news... Congrats, personally

allquixotic

FORTUNATELY I'm grandfathered into an unlimited data contract with Verizon and they can't stop me from tethering due to FCC licensing regulations on the spectrum block they use for LTE on my phone; so I use LTE as my primary internet connection

HaydnWVN

So it just turned into a PR stunt - get the inner cities done to please 75% of the population

allquixotic

otherwise I'd be stuck on slow, unreliable 7 Mbps ADSP

HaydnWVN

@allquixotic It'd nice to have that option

allquixotic

@HaydnWVN, Verizon received a lot of tax breaks fo rrolling out fiber to the premises (FiOS) across the U.S., but stopped far, far short of projections of coverage, and it wasn't due to any war

HaydnWVN

15:59

majority of UK mobile networks with 'Unlimited data' are capped at 2/3gig a month

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