Root Access

Bob

00:33

@OliverSalzburg @slhck Well, most things work fine. Swype had a few problems, but clearing its data worked.

Also, the Samsung/ICS version of Swype is nowhere near as accurate as the (rather old) beta I was using :\

Oh, how did your jailbreak go, @slhck?

Paul

We broke 2K in the LQ queue

@Bob have you set the swype accuracy slider to maximum?

Bob

@Paul Yep. Ah well.

Paul

@Bob What phone is it? I am running swype beta on an S2, and had the same ics accuracy issues but this resolved it (or possibly I became more accurate to compensate)

KronoS

01:48

anybody in the EU and online ATM?

nhinkle

02:24

@KronoS no. What do you need from the EU?

KronoS

@nhinkle working on the blog post. Was hoping to get a screen shot of what the prompt was for EU's new cookie law

nhinkle

ah. tried google images?

what about a proxy?

KronoS

no not yet... I just started

was going to get the content done first then pics and stuff

nhinkle

ah. well, try a proxy maybe

KronoS

@nhinkle I'm too lazy right now to setup a proxy lol

nhinkle

02:27

It's easy. Google "proxies"

I'm not saying to do a full SSH tunnel, just find a web proxy

KronoS

Oh I know... I'll probably do that a little later. First I wanted to get the post written up first

nhinkle

@KronoS do you know of a site that ought to show it?

Bob

@Paul S2 variant (Chinese I9100G, the firmware is incompatible with the other I9100Gs (unknown reason), which is incompatible with the normal I9100s (hardware)). Flashing is a pain.

KronoS

@nhinkle no, but any site that is hosted in the EU or to EU customers I believe have to

nhinkle

hmm. the first proxy i tried seemed to filter that out

KronoS

02:43

@nhinkle lol how funny

Sathya

04:11

@KronoS you still need a webpage?

KronoS

@Sathya no I got what I wanted ^^

Sathya

okay

KronoS

@Sathya I'm having probs with this now:

in Stack Exchange Community Blogs, 53 mins ago, by KronoS

I can't seem to upload images to blog.SU

Sathya

ah

put them on i.stack.imgur and publish for now

KronoS

well I don't need to publish right away. I'll wait for a little while and see if I get any response... if not I'll do that

KronoS

05:41

Curiosity just landed on Mars!!!!

cnn.com/2012/08/06/tech/mars-rover-curiosity/index.html

Sathya

06:12

@KronoS so I hear

KronoS

@Sathya I watched it live. It was quite amazing and fun

Sathya

@KronoS I couldn't catch it live :(

KronoS

on another note, mind looking at the QOTW post and proofing it? @Sathya

Sathya

KronoS

@Sathya sad day? why not?

Sathya

06:14

@KronoS ~~was~~ Am at work

KronoS

oh got it

makes sense

Sathya

@KronoS checking.

KronoS

06:31

thanks @Sathya

nhinkle

06:44

HOLY SHIT GUYS WE LANDED A THING ON MARS WITH A FUCKING SKY CRANE

7

Sathya

@KronoS ->

> remembers you (so you don’t have to login every time you visit), they also remember any posts that you haven’t finished either.

KronoS

@nhinkle :)

Sathya

they don't use cookies for the latter, it's via HTML5 localstorage. Auth also uses the same, I believe.

cookies store the auth key after login

KronoS

@Sathya oh really?

@Sathya right so you don't have to log back in again and again

nhinkle

Engineers, man.

Sathya

06:49

@KronoS mix of both for auth:

48

Q: How does SO's new auto-login feature work?

SO and SU just told me I've been logged in. I'm guessing because I'm already logged into my Google account... but how does SO know that?

KronoS

@nhinkle hey you're trying to be one of those as well

@Sathya oh! nice find. I'll reference that and edit the blog as such... anything else?

Sathya

@KronoS I did some minor edits

KronoS

@Sathya are you done with those?

if not that's fine, just can't be editing at the same time :P

Sathya

@KronoS yes

KronoS

@Sathya thanks man.

@nhinkle feel free to look it over as well.

Sathya

06:56

@KronoS anytime.

nhinkle

what's going on?

I just got home from a mars party

Paul

07:08

@nhinkle I was watching JPL live, fully expected tears. Was absolutely elated when they pulled it off :)

nhinkle

@Paul I was in an auditorium with about 1000 people. Wild applause. Happiest bunch of nerds I've seen in some time.

Paul

@nhinkle Yeah, I got quite emotional myself, watching it on my phone at the office. Most people I know aren't aware or interested sadly.

nhinkle

@Paul you need more nerdy folks to hang around with :P

Paul

@nhinkle I am here aren't I? My pixel friends :)

nhinkle

Fair enough :)

Sathya

07:17

any place where I can catch it again?

nhinkle

07:33

@Sathya nothing official i can think of off the top of my head

try youtube? youtube.com/…

Sathya

07:59

@nhinkle thanks. YouTube is blocked at work, will check later

nhinkle

@Sathya if you do end up finding a good one, let me know :)

Sathya

@nhinkle will do!

Clippy

08:18

Super User Blog: Question of the Week: What are cookies and why am I being asked about them?

kronos on August 06, 2012

A lot of people have heard about Internet “cookies” and often they have a bad connotation to them, but to web developers they are very useful. So what exactly are they? The official Wikipedia definition states:

This basically means that websites will save small pieces of data on your machine in plain text. These have a wide range of uses, but here are some common examples that I can think of:

Netflix: Isn’t is awesome how it remember where you last left off? This is done through cookies

Amazon (and other shopping sites): They remember what was in your basket last time you visited. …

Sathya

k

0

A: how to set tcp seq number generation

The algorithm is buried deep in the TCP/IP stack's code.

jokerdino

well, high rep user you say?

slhck

08:33

@Sathya headesks

soandos

09:34

superuser.com/search?page=40&tab=votes&q=user%3a26316 bunch of negative scoring posts

HaydnWVN

moo :>

@nhinkle Think the BBC have some links to video footage

sorry @Sathya

Oliver Salzburg

10:13

feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheBrothersBrick/~3/-gE7rUhK3Zk

Damn. That looks amazing

Sathya

0

A: Change default shape protection properties in Visio

To do this for custom stencil, Right click on your Shapes toolbar & Click on "Edit Stencil". Now, all the shapes in the stencil will be in edit mode. Now right click on the Shape and select Edit Master -> Edit Master Shape The shape will now open in Shape Editor. Now click on Formatting ...

this was driving me nuts

Oliver Salzburg

@Sathya Congrats on solving it :D

Sathya

@OliverSalzburg thank you!

nhinkle

That was quick and easy. Talked to some guy on Lenovo chat, and he confirmed that I can buy an mSATA drive after market and install it fine.

Bob

10:54

@nhinkle Now save the log in case you actually can't :P

nhinkle

@Bob the manual seems to vaguely back that up, it just wasn't quite clear

Bob

o.O

1

Q: Windows beeps when I type the n in account or mount

This is a weird issue, I've got a Lenovo laptop running Windows 7 Enterprise. Whenever I type the word mount or account as I hit the n it beeps. I've tried other similar words, sprout, tout etc but they don't trigger the beep. When I was running Linux on the machine I noticed that occasionally ...

mount lenovo beep

I'm tempted to ask if they've tried other words with n in them, or just n itself... :\

nhinkle

I'm sort of torn. Thinkpad x230 or Thinkpad T430?

Denis Pshenov

11:13

I have exact same problem as this guy here

0

Q: Disable/remove MacDrive from within MacOS X

I've just tried upgrading Windows 7 to Windows 8 CP on my macbook air and after it restarted, I've repaired my MacDrive installation which claimed that it had problems. Since that I keep getting BSoDs on boot and I can't even boot in the recovery environment or in safe mode. Is there any way I ca...

windows osx boot bsod windows-8-preview

no solution yet, anyone has idea why would it happen? Has MacDrive somehow locked the Windows 8 partition?

jokerdino

11:29

I am gonna say something.

Bob

Huh.

jokerdino

OK never mind.

Bob

Huh.

Sathya

11:52

I'm really jobless today....

0

A: Why isn't my graphics card good enough when it should be?

what are the things that "matter" in a graphics card There are a whole bunch of factors that determine how good a GPU is. Let's take a look at some of them: GPU Bus Width: The width of the memory bus interface from the the GPU's memory to the it's processing units. Low end GPUs have low wi...

(corrections/suggestions welcome)

soandos

any ideas how I can do gawker.com/5878638/… ?

Sathya

@soandos seems like a good question for Web Applications

soandos

Good point

jokerdino

@soandos What is your question again?

soandos

If you google soandos, you will get ~30,000 hits

I want that as my name on all gmail accounts that I have

jokerdino

12:00

ah

soandos

I don't bing nearly as well though

webapps.stackexchange.com/q/29730/11098 if anyone wants to follow it (I gather lots of people want psydonyms)

jokerdino

woah, jokerdino gets 30k hits as well o.O

HaydnWVN

@Sathya Wow great post, feeling quite ashamed with mine mine and should probably remove it :(

soandos

not bad :)

I just went to random pages in the results, and they seem to all be me

(vast majority on SU, some on pysicsforums, and some other places)

Sathya

@HaydnWVN aw, thanks! You should consider keeping it, people like small answers :P

Bob

12:06

@jokerdino ...trying "bob" isn't going to mean much, is it?

jokerdino

@Bob I doubt it is fairly unique, is it?

HaydnWVN

I use 'Roady' for everything, own www.roady.co.uk and used to own www.roady.com yet i wasn't allowed it on g+

i'm only HaydnWVN on here as its kinda work related :P

soandos

@HaydnWVN how did you ask for it?

HaydnWVN

registered under my real name then applied for it from a link in the account management

this was about 3 or 4 months ago, i've not been back on g+ for prob 2-3 weeks

its a waste with being active on facebook, hardly anyone i know on g+ isn't on facebook anyway

soandos

@HaydnWVN not seeing the link

jokerdino

12:23

@HaydnWVN interesting.

HackToHell

13:09

Can someone portscan my server ??

HaydnWVN

@soandos It's all different from what i remember, i signed up very early

soandos

@HaydnWVN, got it

Oliver Salzburg

13:31

Humm

Not an optimal fit yet...

Oliver Salzburg

13:49

Wow. This is intense

Sathya

►

HaydnWVN

@OliverSalzburg OMG what happened to your mouse?!

Oliver Salzburg

14:08

@HaydnWVN Nothing really :D

HackToHell

For a moment I thought there were two Oliver's :d i.imgur.com/2j2zx.png

Sathya

@OliverSalzburg MX518 I guesss?

Oliver Salzburg

@Sathya Yes

HackToHell

@OliverSalzburg How do I configure routes in OpenVPN, I dial my connection (PPoE) ?

OpenVPN does not like that

ROUTE: route addition failed using CreateIpForwardEntry: One or more arguments

Route addition via IPAPI failed [adaptive]

nvm, i will post a question

Oliver Salzburg

14:28

Awesome :D

Sathya

> "Cloud668: Wikipedia is currently down due to networking issues (read: fiber being accidentally cut) in the Tampa Datacenter. no ETA"

slhck

@OliverSalzburg Too much whitespace! :P

HackToHell

@OliverSalzburg Hmm , do you have your photo as your gravatar or that pattern ?

Oliver Salzburg

@slhck Yeah, I'll have to majorly fix my wallpaper now :\ I only designed that for 1920x1200x2 :(

@HackToHell It's supposed to be my photo. I don't know what is causing that issue.

slhck

What's up with @OliverSalzburg's gravatar? I'm not seeing anything wrong with it

Oliver Salzburg

14:31

i.imgur.com/BjaVR.png Awesome :D

@slhck It seems like at least one size of the gravatar is incorrectly cached.

But only for some people

HackToHell

gravatar.com/avatar/…

Sathya

Oliver Salzburg

@HackToHell That looks fine for me

HackToHell

That is the pattern and this is his face gravatar.com/avatar/…

Oliver Salzburg

@HackToHell Face as well, for me

jokerdino

14:33

Did you change your email or something? o.O

Sathya

http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/ec198cb6fc38d98bb88dd390e0bed8e3?s=32&d=identico‌n&r=PG

http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/ec198cb6fc38d98bb88dd390e0bed8e3?s=16&d=identico‌n&r=PG

HackToHell

only 32 is bad ;p

Sathya

the hashes are the same, yet images are different

HackToHell

Even a big image shows up correctly

gravatar.com/avatar/…

Oliver Salzburg

I assumed it has to do with the Cache-Control header gravatar sends

But it looks fine

HackToHell

14:35

@OliverSalzburg Set your picture as yourself again from gravatar, fixed some problems for me

Oliver Salzburg

The image is only supposed to be cached for 5 minutes

@HackToHell I did that, multiple times

HackToHell

Strange

Oliver Salzburg

Man, portrait mode is so awesome

Especially for SU! :D

HackToHell

It's a bug in OpenVPN !! community.openvpn.net/openvpn/ticket/97

HackToHell

14:52

Now my ineternet connection does not get routed through the VPN. sigh I am dumb

@OliverSalzburg How do I route my entire connection through the VPN ?

Oliver Salzburg

@HackToHell No idea

HackToHell

:'(

Oliver Salzburg

The Microsoft Mouse and Keyboard Center got a new ~~Metro~~ Windows 8 UI interface. Neat!

HackToHell

15:32

Seemingly I have to add redirect-gateway def1 to my client config

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg Evening here

@HackToHell Yo!

HackToHell

@Boris_yo Hello !

Boris_yo

@HackToHell Hotmail.com vs. Outlook.com?

@HackToHell Outlook.com is in early stages? Beta? What happens of I login with my Hotmail.com credentials?

HackToHell

imo, both are same, outlook.com just has a ~~metro~~ Win 8 ish UI

Boris_yo

@HackToHell You mean GMAIL'ish?

HackToHell

15:37

Yes and I kinda like it

Boris_yo

@HackToHell I know why you like it. Because I like it as well.

@HackToHell We like it because they follow the following concept:

"Keep it simple!"

@HackToHell Did I mention that Outlook.com is more dynamic and loads faster? I even assume that advertisements that make me angry because of their slow loading on Hotmail.com will run smoother here if there will be ads at all.

HackToHell

Simple and effective

@Boris_yo It's still not finished, there will be ads ;p

Hi @WarriorBob

Warrior Bob

Hey there @HackToHell, how goes?

Boris_yo

@HackToHell Maybe they will be based on HTML5 and not Flash?

OS keeps rebooting when lots of apps are moved to SDcard! HUGE BUG IN ANDROID OS 2.3.5 (and higher)!

HackToHell

@WarriorBob Everything sways well

@Boris_yo maybe

Boris_yo

15:52

@HackToHell I cannot go back to previous UI! I think it is permanent.

HackToHell

lol

Boris_yo

@HackToHell You didn't say it will be like that.

HackToHell

I had no idea !!

Boris_yo

@HackToHell Sir, I want my refund!

HackToHell

:P

HaydnWVN

16:08

@Sathya Wikipedia down? When? I've been on it most of the afternoon lol

Sathya

@HaydnWVN was down for a good 30 mins about hour and half ago

HaydnWVN

I must've been on quite an interesting page and never clicked anything then lol

Sathya

16:38

@HaydnWVN LOL

KronoS

17:17

superuser.com/badges/25/great-answer?userid=47225

slhck

@KronoS Congrats :)

KronoS

@slhck thank you... it's been sitting at 98, 99 for the past few weeks.

slhck

So, @DanielBeck, it's easiest if you just create a new empty folder somewhere, named like the project, then run git init

Do you have a GitHub account already?

Daniel Beck

@slhck That's boring. How about I re[something] my local Xcode git instead?

slhck

@DanielBeck Hm, okay.

I don't know what Xcode offers but you can go there from a terminal and show me git status :P

Daniel Beck

17:32

Have an account btw, a repo, and set up global git user name and email on my Mac.

slhck

Neat, then all you have to do from the local repository is

Daniel Beck

# On branch master
# Changes to be committed:
# (use "git reset HEAD <file>..." to unstage)
#
# new file: CocoaActivityCounter/CocoaActivityCounter.entitlements
# renamed: CocoaActivityCounter/BWAppDelegate.h -> CocoaActivityCounter/DBAppDelegate.h
# renamed: CocoaActivityCounter/BWAppDelegate.m -> CocoaActivityCounter/DBAppDelegate.m
# new file: editclear.png
# new file: player_pause.png
# new file: player_play.png
#
# Changes not staged for commit:
# (use "git add/rm <file>..." to update what will be committed)

slhck

git remote add origin github.com/danielbeck/whatever.git

Daniel Beck

@slhck Hah. That'd be nice. I was two days late though, so I only got the hyphen.

Oliver Salzburg

@KronoS Nice :D

slhck

17:34

@DanielBeck There's another Daniel Beck out there? :P

Anyway, once you did that, you need to commit your changes to your local repository first, so basically

git commit -a

Daniel Beck

@slhck Football player, Schlager music singer, and a few others...

slhck

And when you've committed everything, it should show nothing to commit (working directory clean)

Now all you have to do is push your local repository to the remote called origin

git push origin master

This will push the master branch to origin (i.e. GitHub)

And you're done

Nice. danielbeckmusic.com/samples/db_llt_1.mp3

Daniel Beck

@slhck Riiight.

slhck

@DanielBeck Didn't work?

Daniel Beck

Well, figured it out. Had to git pull first.

Now, looking online what kind of git I am in checking in tons of crap...

slhck

17:42

Yeah, you only need that if you have remote changes.. Didn't think you had any, weird.

Daniel Beck

I initialized the repo with an empty readme file or something like that.

slhck

Oh, alright

Daniel Beck

Almost looks good so far...

thanks for the help @slhck

slhck

Sure thing!

If you make any local changes, easiest is to git add -u (this will stage all changed and deleted files for the next commit), then git commit -a and git push

Best to check with git status after git add though

And if you don't use ZSH and oh my zsh yet, they have a nice Git plugin github.com/robbyrussell/oh-my-zsh/blob/master/plugins/git/…

Daniel Beck

I don't. I just see hordes of clueless people using it and asking very basic questions on the site, so I think I'll pass for now.

Oliver Salzburg

17:49

2

Completed \o/

slhck

@DanielBeck It's actually quite nice, love the completion, but you can survive on bash as well, of course.

Daniel Beck

@slhck I tried fish a while back and loved its autocompletion. The segfaults, not so much.

Oliver Salzburg

@DanielBeck :D

I really think Pro Webmasters should adjust their gradient in the header...

Ain't that better? :D

Daniel Beck

18:24

@slhck Do you have a minute?

slhck

@DanielBeck Shoot

Daniel Beck

Is there a way to access my local git repo like it was a server? It should be like one, right? file:// URLs or something like that?

I want to address my local copy from a Jenkins CI server so it can build unpushed changes directly locally.

slhck

@DanielBeck Good question. No idea other than suggesting gitorious.org

I'm by all means not a Git expert

Daniel Beck

That way I don't need to set up a VM with X11 and Eclipse etc., but can just edit in vim and have Jenkins build from that

@slhck Hm. Maybe it works directly, let's try that...

@slhck Did you upgrade to ML?

slhck

@DanielBeck No, fresh install

Daniel Beck

18:31

Yeah, but ML?

Did double-click selection/unselection behavior change for you too?

It's really difficult to deselect/unselect text by clicking it again...

slhck

@DanielBeck Yeah, they changed that.

But I have to say, I like the way it is now

Daniel Beck

Wait

It was just my mouse doubleclicking speed. Increased it, and it's fixed!

@OliverSalzburg On the wall, upper right letter. Is that a PIN letter from your bank?

slhck

@DanielBeck Do you know how I can get ML to suggest me US English instead of UK English?

The language prefs only show "English".

Daniel Beck

@slhck So everything's localised?

Which language prefs?

Language & Text » Language has U.S. English as separate entry.

slhck

@DanielBeck Well, yeah.. Spelling and Grammar through right click always picks BrE first

@DanielBeck Ah, that could be it.

Why would they put that under "U".....

Daniel Beck

18:39

Second tab also has separate speling settings

Try to select U.S. English speling there.

slhck

Automatic seemed to fall back to BrE

Daniel Beck

Not for me...

Seriously? RAID status changes on a VM? What is wrong with these people?

slhck

Hm, let's see.. might need a restart

Daniel Beck

@slhck If I want exactly this locally, is git reset a43ceed22bfb698ed348847a8b100e5027a8227a correct?

It did... something... no idea what though.

slhck

@DanielBeck No, reset only stashes any changes to your local repo

Daniel Beck

18:53

crap.

slhck

31

Q: how to clone an old git-commit (and some more questions about git)

I have a git-repository of my project with about 20 commits. I know how to clone the actual commit with git clone, but how can I "clone" an old commit? is there a really good git-GUI (imho qgit is not a good GUI)? what exactly are "branches"? when I want to release 0.1, 0.2 and so on, wha...

git

Daniel Beck

$ git status
# On branch master
# Your branch and 'origin/master' have diverged,
# and have 218 and 437 different commits each, respectively.

:<

slhck

Haha

So what do you want to keep?

git log HEAD..origin/master should show you the diff

Daniel Beck

empty

slhck

hm

Daniel Beck

18:55

$ git checkout a43ceed22bfb698ed348847a8b100e5027a8227a
Previous HEAD position was ce35c26... fixed compilation error.
HEAD is now at a43ceed... [maven-release-plugin] prepare release jenkins-1.466.1

looks good

Oliver Salzburg

@DanielBeck No, it's the PIN letter of my ID (neuer, elektronischer Personalausweis)

The PIN is still hidden, zoom all you want ;D

slhck

@DanielBeck My plan B in case I screw up with Git is always to just rm -rf the whole thing and make a new clone

And you will screw up, all the time.

Daniel Beck

@slhck Just like SVN. Throw away the metadata, do a clean checkout, replace the data files

slhck

@DanielBeck Yeah, although with SVN it's much easier to f up the server

Daniel Beck

# Not currently on any branch.?!

slhck

19:00

I guess that's normal if you check out a certain commit

Boris_yo

19:25

How many of you Android owners move apps to SD card? I suppose enough that have this problem:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1446961

nhinkle

22:41

Do we have any thinkpad owners here? I need some advice.

@JourneymanGeek I think you have one, right?

studiohack

22:58

@nhinkle so does @SimonSheehan

Though it may be a different brand of Thinkpad, like an ideasomethingorwhatever

nhinkle

oh. the ideapads are... inferior

studiohack

@nhinkle I'm seriously considering the X220 tablet, after Win8 comes out

nhinkle

@studiohack idk, i'd just as soon go for a surface. they're a bit cheaper, and more portable

the x220 is damn nice, but i'm not sure if windows 8 is really its thing

studiohack

Surface? what the thing is a surface? Last I heard it was a big touchy coffee table?

@nhinkle it is. meaning what? That it might not be suitable for Win8?

The reason I want to wait is so that they might release a better, version of the x220 for the Win8

nhinkle

oh i'm sure it'll run windows 8 beautifully, but i'm saying the form factor wasn't designed for carrying in your arm and using as a slate-type tablet

studiohack

23:01

@nhinkle The reason I want it is because I love my physical keyboards and I want it to convert

so the idea of being able to switch I love the idea of

nhinkle

@studiohack I swear you saw the surface... didn't you? The new slate thing from Microsoft? With the keyboard cover thingy?

microsoft.com/surface

studiohack

what?

isn't that @KronoS?

This is surface?

nhinkle

i distinctly remember you talking about it. and being like "wow, all the mods should get one!"

studiohack

nhinkle

yes, that's it

studiohack

23:03

@nhinkle oh, I thought this was a Win8 RT tablet

nhinkle

There's two versions - the Surface RT and the Surface Pro

studiohack

wow, okay

@nhinkle lol, I still think this. haha.

@nhinkle wow. this is some device!

@OliverSalzburg oh wow. congrats man! beautiful setup!

nhinkle

@studiohack I... wow. Huh. I definitely thought you saw this when it came out. You must've been trekking around in a forest or something :P

Yep, it's a physical keyboard, and it's also a cover. And it's removable. There's also a touch version.

studiohack

@nhinkle sorry, was lazy when I asked about the keyboard, just read up on it. I'd kill for one of these

nhinkle

:D

studiohack

23:07

@nhinkle yeah, I guess I was. haven't been up to speed on Tech in general the last 3-4 months

nhinkle

If it weren't for the fact that I need a laptop now, I'd wait and buy one. Oh well.

studiohack

@nhinkle why not use your desktop? (you have one, with like 25GB of RAM and Intel i7?!)

@nhinkle wow. just wow. Now I'm gonna have to figure out between the x220 and the Surface RT

nhinkle

Because I have classes. And can't just bring it with me.

studiohack

how expensive, any idea?

@nhinkle sorry, dumb question then. I have yet to use a laptop in class, like, really need one or something

nhinkle

it'll be "comparable to ultrabook prices" says microsoft

studiohack

23:12

so does this mean that cheaper Win8 RT devices will be available?

nhinkle

the RT version will be around "comparable to other tablet prices".

we're guessing $500 and $1000 approx. for the RT and Pro respectively

studiohack

I see. now stuff makes so much more sense! lol thanks @nhinkle haha

nhinkle

:D

studiohack

fun fact: I have never, ever, bought any electronics (assembled computer or mp3 player) brand new.

refurb, yes. used, yes.

so I'll probably wait a year and get Win8 Surface on ebay. oh well.

nhinkle

that works too

KronoS

23:30

@studiohack @nhinkle I didn't do anything with the surface

nhinkle

@KronoS i know, i think he meant it was you i talked to about it perhaps

studiohack

@KronoS yeah, we figured it out. I was very mixed up :)

KronoS

lol ok

studiohack

@nhinkle I thought you meant it was him who experienced it at MS or something (cc @KronoS)

nhinkle

Oh. Nope.

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