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Journeyman Geek

00:54

@djsmiley2k I've sat on an aeon. It's somewhat pricier... And really good

I can't justify spending a grand on a chair yet though

bertieb

@djsmiley2k My brother in law has a chair like that...

And they're away on holiday

Maybe I could sneak in, sell the chair and buy a SL Omega

Journeyman Geek

01:21

@djsmiley2k Probably cause its a designer chair, made from the skin of virgins.... oh wait....

Journeyman Geek

02:00

I'm an idiot

So the latest thing I'm considering is my monitor(s) are sending the wrong EDID information, causing my random display side screen corruption

I found an application that will dump edid, only the issue happened on my second, not last screen, and if I turn it off, the mouse gets stuck somewhere.

So I copied the EDID output to notepad, and... didn't save

then was forced to reboot... and the error fixed itself

I have sublime on this!

schneier.com/blog/archives/2019/07/identity_theft_.html

that's messed up

Michael Frank

02:18

That moment you're at the office and someones phone starts ringing with the Kim Possible ring tone...

Michael Frank

03:22

logitech.com/en-us/product/options/page/…

Apparently Logitech have their own Synergy like solution.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank MS did too for a bit

XKCD

04:05

"Wait, we've MOVED since 2010. How on Earth did--" "Look, some of us were just born to be champions."

Journeyman Geek

uhm

I'm half certain there's a 20 year old bottle of jam in the fridge

Every few years I go "uhm, mom isn't this from when we went to australia when we were 15?"

"Jam dosen't spoil, just leave it in there"

Its out lasted three fridges

rahuldottech

@MichaelFrank thanks, I'll do so!

@JourneymanGeek lmao

@MichaelFrank it's so stupid

When will devs realize that the only thing you can do to ensure that an email address is valid is check if there's an "@" and a "." somewhere after it?

And that the only proper validation is through a confirmation email?

C'mon. It's not that hard. I learnt this when I was like 14.

rahuldottech

05:44

Hmm amazon.in/Dell-18-5-inch-LED-Monitor/dp/B0767971Z5/… vs amazon.in/Dell-19-5-inch-49-5-Monitor/dp/B012AQIQ48/…

I need help choosing

The second one is bigger, but it only has VGA, and I can't tell if it has VESA

rahuldottech

06:08

Okay it does have VESA

But VGA only :(

Journeyman Geek

06:20

the 18.5 inch one looks like a better idea

also the first one's a newer model

FWIW

bertieb

@JourneymanGeek I have an unopened tin of something from the 50s!

Journeyman Geek

@bertieb SO ITS YOUR FAULT.

mumbles something about the empire...

bertieb

Wrong empire

It's from the USA IIRC

Journeyman Geek

No, the habit of keeping things cause... IDK

(I have a running joke that my culture is the last reminants of victoriana)

bertieb

Oh right yeah

Journeyman Geek

06:45

It's like the last biscuit

rahuldottech

07:04

@JourneymanGeek any reason why, other than that it's a newer model?

Journeyman Geek

HDMI?

Num Lock

@rahuldottech someone@domain (without a "." after the "@") is a valid email-address, though. or rather: a TLD is not mandatory

Journeyman Geek

HDMI is the most flexible modern port

@NumLock uhm. Who would stick a server on a bare tld?

Num Lock

@JourneymanGeek let me introduce you to thunderbolt over USB-C ...

Journeyman Geek

@NumLock not really broadly supported

Also can't plug in say a DVD player over it

Num Lock

07:13

@JourneymanGeek yes, with cherry picking you can make anything look stupid/not supported. i can't plug in my VGA only CRT over HDMI either.

please note that using an adapter holds true for other standards as well

also note you stated "most flexible modern port" which is simply false for HDMI. i think you meant to say "(still) most commonly used port" instead.

Bob

if you really wanna get nitpicky HDMI 2.0 is a thing

but if we're talking flexibility ... USB, for sure

arguably tries to do too much

@JourneymanGeek you have an iodd right?

Num Lock

@Bob pfff, a serial port directly hooked onto the PCI bus? what could possibly go wrong?

</sarcasm>

Journeyman Geek

@Bob yes

It's awesome

rahuldottech

07:36

@NumLock it's valid by spec, but it is not usable in the real world outside of very specific testing situations

Num Lock

08:38

@rahuldottech well, consider this: i just used a webmailer (on my phone, in my browser, from a public URL) to send an email to claire@datacenter that gets delivered to the user in question. nice effect: it doesn't even have to leave the private infrastructure.

even better (but just an optional behavior on some addresses of this "kind") these can get forwarded to - as you would probably call it - "real" email addresses, e.g. when it's a customer alias.

also i actually used "<myname>@office" to register myself on that system back in the days. guess what: i actually received an email in my mbox. mind blown. it's just serving ~250.000 users here and a standard for a lot of big tech corporates, though. so i guess that still qualifies it as a "specific testing situation". sometimes i wish i would live in the real world like you.

Burgi

morning

bertieb

10:04

o/

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek that wasn't a aeon I don't think?

/me hasn't clicked again

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k oh there was a link for one under that

some pricy chairs are actually good

djsmiley2k

@bertieb I have 1920's booze?

bertieb

10:20

@djsmiley2k Ah, nice!

djsmiley2k

looks something like this: whiskyparadise.com/public/12011_Grand_Marnier_p.jpg

something something not out of date?

bertieb

I'm pretty sure a friend of the family has some seventeenth-century wine

@djsmiley2k Hah, yeah, probably

I need to check that can and see if it actually has an expiry date

Or if it pre-dates expiry dates

Or the notion of time itself

djsmiley2k

Pretty sure Mrs grandma has more stuff like this

northerner

I can't get Latex to show up in chat. I tried using math.ucla.edu/~robjohn/math/mathjax.html but it doesn't seem to work. What exactly am I supposed to do with the page?

Journeyman Geek

Mathjax isn't supported on chat

its supported on some sites.

northerner

10:26

well everyone is typing with it on math stackexchange's chat

Journeyman Geek

You could ask there ._.

its not supported on our site

northerner

ok. I asked but not sure they're technical enough to give full explanation i.e. which browsers are supported

Journeyman Geek

I don't think its a browser thing.

If you can see it, you can type it

besides, there's literally two rendering engines left

northerner

It seems the way it's supposed to work is by entering the following into the address bar:
javascript:(function(){if(window.MathJax===undefined){var%20script%20=%20document.createElement("script");script.type%20=%20"text/javascript";script.src%20=%20"https://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/mathjax/2.7.1/MathJax.js?config=TeX-AMS_HTML";var%20config%20=%20%27MathJax.Hub.Config({%27%20+%20%27extensions:%20["tex2jax.js"],%27%20+%20%27tex2jax:%20{%20inlineMath:%20[["$","$"],["\\\\\\\\\\\$","\\\\\\\\\\\$"]],%20displayMath:%20[["$$","$$"],["\\\\[","\\\\]"]],%20processEscapes:%20true%20},%27%20+%20…

djsmiley2k

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO PETROL DRONES.

hackaday.com/2019/07/19/…

northerner

10:35

It still doesn't work for me. Should it make a difference if a bookmark is used vs typing it directly into the address bar? @JourneymanGeek

djsmiley2k

randomly putting javascript into your address bar isn't advisable btw

northerner

well I'll be damned, somehow using the book mark makes a difference

now I'm curious, why did it work when using the bookmark but not entering the text directly into address bar?

Journeyman Geek

It looks like they're loading the JS with the page... bookmarklet?

northerner

why is entering javascript into address bar bad? Just because it could be executing malicious code?

Burgi

@djsmiley2k that's all we need, flying fire bombs

djsmiley2k

10:38

indeed

@Burgi Did I not already predict this?

Burgi

idk, i haven't read the full djsmiley2kus prophecies

djsmiley2k

:D

oh i did i'm sure

1. terrorists will put bombs on drones

2. terrorists will attack bridges, sewers, water plants, electric pylons, gas pipelines etc

3. hit other infra like bridges, the internet, etc.

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k pfft

all they need to do is vote in a suitable idiot

also, drone hysteria annoys me

some people are idiots and shouldn't be trusted with them

but its basically folks making up stories to put the genie back in the bottle

Burgi

this storm area 51 thing is going to end up with a lot of dead people

Journeyman Geek

most of the people who signed up won't turn up

Burgi

10:50

@JourneymanGeek not sure it is, look at the issues with the drones at heathrow

bertieb

I had someone ask me what I thought about it on stream (the Area 51 thing)

@Burgi Wasn't it Gatwick?

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi a lot of which is bogus

bertieb

And did the police eventually say "we weren't sure if there was actually a drone there at all" ?

Journeyman Geek

some reports of drones flying higher than military drones

bertieb

(I might have missed another incident)

Journeyman Geek

10:51

someone did accidentally land one on an aircraft carrier

CaldeiraG

o/ all

Burgi

in the meantime all the flights are grounded

Journeyman Geek

Its classic hysteria

bertieb

@JourneymanGeek To be fair, wasn't that the drone's own "Battery low: Engage panic mode"

return to land dealie

in the classic Kryten sense

CaldeiraG

well, i don't even know where the area 51 meme came from lol

Burgi

10:54

i admit that the western media, since 9/11, have given extra oxygen to terrorists and their causes purely by reporting it

CaldeiraG

i read an article and i got it now :p

Burgi

my next comment is too political for SE

rahuldottech

11:13

Okay so

@MichaelFrank there were no graphics related settings in the BIOS settings

@bertieb I used Windows RDP to install graphics drivers, worked beautifully!

bertieb

@rahuldottech Ah, nice one!

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek Now that graphics card is installed, onboard graphics has disappeared. Doesn't show up under Display adapters in Device Manager

bertieb

Glad it worked out :)

rahuldottech

@bertieb :)

Jun 21 at 23:59, by Michael Frank

Yea, it depends on the motherboard I think. I know what some Dell systems will disable the onboard when a dedicated graphics card is installed.

hm...

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech what processor is it?

Ok, there's two things

rahuldottech

11:22

> i7-4770 @ 3.40 GHz

Journeyman Geek

1) Anything intel older than sandy bridge shares PCIe lanes between the onboard graphics chip and the x16 slot used for video cards

2) There's a specific bios setting you need to turn on

and I donno if that's exposed on a HP system

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek I saw nothing about graphics in the BIOS, but I'll check again

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech superuser.com/questions/523928/…

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek got it to work!

Journeyman Geek

what did you do?

rahuldottech

11:31

There was a setting for "Integrated graphics" that was turned off in advanced bios settings

bwDraco

11:54

nypost.com/2019/07/18/… wat.

bertieb

12:14

Anyone know anything about Denuvo DRM?

Wiki says high CPU usage and lotsa writes

Thinking of getting Prey as a friend strongly recommended it and it's on sale

Don't want to thrash the new SSD too much tho

rahuldottech

12:30

Is it better to get 4+4 ram or 4+8?

djsmiley2k

12:43

more ram is bettererer

Ave

12:53

@bertieb yeah

it's not that bad, it won't really kill your SSD

bertieb

@Ave Okay, that's useful to know, thanks :)

Been bitten and seen other folks been bitten by DRM nonsense so I am a bit leery

Ave

denuvo is peak nonsense

be aware

in completely unrelated news

successfully got wireguard to work as a 6in4 thing

bertieb

Peak nonsense?

Ave

No need to not be behind CGNAT, no need to regularly update IP on tunnelbroker! I call that a win.

Also works with netflix.

@bertieb it's fairly secure, and games have been shown to run much better without denuvo

bertieb

Ah yes

But if the game comes with it, not sure it can be avoided

if not hoisting a certain black and white flag...

Journeyman Geek

13:00

@Ave wait wait

so wireguard connects to what to get the IPv6 address?

@Ave eh, gogo6's setup used to work with those, but they closed down. :/

behind a nat that is

Ave

13:15

@JourneymanGeek it connects to my BGP routing server

Journeyman Geek

ah uhm. Don't you need your own ASN for that?

ah yeah 0_0

rahuldottech

14:02

For ram is 4+4+4 better than 4+8?

Because I ordered an 8gb stick but I'm wondering if I should cancel and get two fours instead

Hennes

14:18

depends

On my old I920 motherboard 4+4+4 would be better since it is triple channel capable

Some for some Xeons (up to quad channel)

for regular consumer motherboard it is more complicated

4 (dual rank) + 8 (dual rank) could be faster than
4 (dual rank)+4 (dual rank) (total 4 ranks) + 4 (dual rank)

But unless you are very time/memory sensitive, just go with whatever is cheapest

Also, for reuseability the 8GiB stick is better. Most boards only have 4 DIMM sockets or fewer

djsmiley2k

@Hennes he said 4+4 vs 4+8

2 slots, not 3

bertieb

@djsmiley2k See later message / edot

24 mins ago, by rahuldottech

For ram is 4+4+4 better than 4+8?

djsmiley2k

14:37

ooooooooooooooooooooo

bertieb

ppppppppppppppppppppp

Hah

Looks different either way

21p

The smallest of resolutions

rahuldottech

14:57

@Hennes I doubt this is capable of triple channel

Also not sure of it counts as a "consumer" PC

It's the sort that gets supplied to universities and organisations with an enterprise license

But I guess I'll stick with 4+8 for now

Thanks

rahuldottech

16:08

My PCI-shield-usb-header-thingy arrived!

\o/

Hennes

16:44

@rahuldottech Only one triple channel setup that I know of (i7 Nehelam series). ANd that one is dated

Aka fist core-X CPU. Intended for up to 6 core so it needed more bandwith

Later Core 2xxx nehalems just used faster memory. But back then it was PC3-10666

And to place it even a bit more in time. I also installed Xp on my Nehalen next to win7

Any modern thing will be dual channel, unless you get lucky

E.g our medical workstations often have low end Xeons, ECC memory etc and those migh be dual channel capable

Not that I track CPUs to much these days. Anything seems fast enough.

rahuldottech

17:19

My first attempt at cable management... I think I did ok rahul.party/files/20190719_224603-6487.jpg

djsmiley2k

17:50

@bertieb reading french maps is hard

but £2.50!

bertieb

18:17

@djsmiley2k Le petit croissant de ma chou-fleur, you say

Anyone use sound card / mobo's TOSLINK (optical) connector output much?

Wondering how it fares for positional audio

In the sense that it only presents itself as a 2 channel device

but seems to be capable of positional audio via (eg) Dolby DTS

From a quick google, the title of the top result it

'SPDIF out of the PC is the worst way to connect up digital audio'

Which is not an encouraging start

djsmiley2k

18:50

I think it's the worst just because it's so fiddly?

djsmiley2k

19:36

like actually falls out

djsmiley2k

20:16

Whereas rj45? will hold a PC on the end of that cable

Hennes

@djsmiley2k Well, any scriptkiddie want. Since all of these are connected to the interwebs with no firewall and with the factory passwords. :)

djsmiley2k

lol that too

but i meant physical attacks

Hennes

20:57

I love the semi physical attack where a drone flew past a building and turned on all the (local netowkr only) philips hue lamps

bwDraco

@Hennes Consider the Ryzen 3000 series?

Hennes

remember folks: Update the firmware on your lamps

I did

bwDraco

They take ECC memory, too.

Hennes

But if I need grunt I always have my laptop (I9-9900k, delidded, liqued metal cooling)

And for work I do not make those decisions

I just entered the masterdata into SAP

bwDraco

I thought the i9-9900K has a soldered IHS?

Hennes

20:59

You need to delid it.

And that is not something I want to do personally, but luckily the shop (eurocom) offered it

tereško

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