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Journeyman Geek

00:15

@bertieb If it's not up to no good. I would be disappoint

bwDraco

lul

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech eh. I consider a good chair a late stage upgrade. I've used various Ikeas until last year

Journeyman Geek

02:30

youtube.com/watch?v=cfJOW2PtrGk I read the title as the giant underground robots protecting tokyo from floods...

reality is nearly as cool

Bob

02:42

Hm.

I'm sure I've asked this before, but ... A400 or BX500? :P

bwDraco

extremetech.com/computing/…

Is this the most power-hungry southbridge we've seen in a decade?

A key principal of the Zen 2 design is the use of a seperate northbridge die on the package, fabricated on a different process to optimize cost and yields; said northbridge die is fabbed in 12nm, and the X570 southbridge is little more than a 14nm version of the northbridge die. Apparently, high power consumption is a consequence of this design decision.

Bob

hm. problem is I can't actually trust Kingston benchmarks :P

and almost no one tests large writes

bwDraco

Kinda hard call... I'm leaning towards the Crucial BX500 because the A400 has a variable BOM.

Bob

@bwDraco ya, that's why I can't trust their benchmarks

bwDraco

And the BX500 uses IMFT 64L 3D TLC NAND (96L on the 960 GB model). I've seen the A400 use planar TLC.

I would not recommend either for more than light use.

Bob

02:57

more storage! :D

@bwDraco eh, they'll serve as cheap VM storage

I wonder... the board's usually pretty small on these things, I could probably tear it out and make a smaller case

Journeyman Geek

03:21

pfft

@Bob wouldn't that depend on what you're doing? ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek what depend on what?

Journeyman Geek

what SSD to get ;p

Bob

eh

not really

the two are pretty similar

Journeyman Geek

Well and benchmarks.

You'd have different needs for say VM storage, and gameing, and boot

Bob

for typical cheap SATA SSDs? not much difference

bwDraco

03:31

Northbridge, southbridge, front-side bus. All are relevant again in the age of chiplets.

reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/calue1/intercore_data_latency

And it's confusing the hell out of me.

northbridge = Ryzen cIOD
southbridge = X570 chipset
front-side bus = Infinity Fabric

Also... all of a sudden, even this is relevant again:

Memory divider

A memory divider is a ratio which is used to determine the operating clock frequency of computer memory in accordance with front side bus (FSB) frequency, if the memory system is dependent on FSB clock speed. Along with memory latency timings, memory dividers are extensively used in overclocking memory subsystems to find stable, working memory states at higher FSB frequencies. The ratio between DRAM and FSB is commonly referred to as "DRAM:FSB ratio". Memory dividers are only applicable to those chipsets in which memory speed is dependent on FSB speeds. Certain chipsets like nVidia 680i have separate...

Why? Because Infinity Fabric on 3rd Gen Ryzen can run at a reduced speed if the memory is too fast for it. AMD says it can cope with memory speeds of up to 3733 MT/s, above which the Infinity Fabric will clock down. This enables use of faster memory, albeit at the cost of slower internal communication.

pcgamesn.com/amd/ryzen-3000-memory-overclocking-sweet-spot

> That’s important because the Infinity Fabric is tied to the GMI [global memory interconnect] link

Hmm... So Infinity Fabric is not the FSB itself but is tied to the FSB speed. Now that is interesting.

Also... communication between CCXes within each chiplet passes through the northbridge. There is no direct Infinity Fabric connection between CCXes within each die.

Bob

03:47

So. After an update for some reason my USB 3.0 ports were using the USB 2.0 controller :S

another update/reboot ... fixed it?

that was so weird

bwDraco

xHCI driver failed to load?

Bob

nup

driver was loaded

just ... everything appeared under EHCI/rate-matching hub

xHCI and its hub were ... empty

so weird.

bwDraco

lul

Internal USB controller fault? USB 3.x can be very sensitive to EMI in my experience.

Journeyman Geek

04:34

solar flares?

bwDraco

05:51

I've talked about this before... I make it a policy not to block ads whenever possible, but more and more websites are putting up paywalls and ad revenue is becoming a hard problem.

niemanlab.org/2018/11/…

With growing consumer resistance to advertising, especially with privacy concerns in recent years, I fear that the cost will be shifted to the end user more than ever.

Especially when regulators are preparing significant new regulations for major tech companies. Restricting tracking and profiling is definitely a win for privacy, but will cripple ad revenue.

Somebody has to pay for it. And if it isn't the advertisers, it's going to be the end consumer.

And that's why I fear a subscription cost explosion happening over the coming months and years.

Any ideas on how to address this issue?

bwDraco

06:12

Also... tricks like darkening the page and blocking scrolling when requesting push notification permission (e.g. Reddit). This shows how desperate the digital media industry is.

Is there something I can do on my end to mitigate the subscription cost explosion?

And is there something Internet users can do as a group to address this problem?

12 hours ago, by bwDraco

As for clickbait content... the digital media industry is starved of and desperate for revenue and most readers don't know it.

Feb 8 at 2:44, by bwDraco

And here's my biggest complaint about Internet media over the last few years: advertising has ramped up dramatically in both quantity and aggressiveness. The problem is that ad revenue has been falling rapidly, especially traditional advertising formats like banners.

Autoplaying video. Banners that take up a third or more of the screen. Anchored ads that float on the screen. Ads that are more difficult to dismiss or require a time delay. Aggressive requests to enable push notifications. Full-page, full-width ads on mobile, with some using parallax effects to draw user attention. Proliferation of paywalls, with gaps closed (e.g. blocking access in private browsing).

The subscription cost explosion: what can I do to mitigate it?

Journeyman Geek

06:49

Same as with any budgeting

You set an amount you're comfortable with paying and you prioritize folks you find essential or share the same values

If an industry can't prove its economic worth maybe it needs to reinvent itself

Or more precisely - maybe they need to consider their audiences too

Sometimes the way to win an arms race isn't constant escalation

bwDraco

There's a fair amount of consumer distrust in ads. It might help if they were more carefully vetted.

As in, stricter policies against clickbait, higher quality standards to ensure that ads are relevant and useful without detracting from content, and closer examination of each ad creative to prevent malware from slipping through the cracks.

Internet ads suffer from a quality problem because media companies are simply looking for quick fixes to an existential threat, by running more ads more aggressively instead of setting higher quality standards that can increase their effectiveness. They haven't actually paid attention to why ads are failing.

Journeyman Geek

And no one really cares. As long as they get a profit, turning the internet into a cultural wasteland is fine

@bwDraco these things cost money ;p

And literally we are in this mess cause quality isn't profitable

Remember when Google did text only ads?

Now we literally have people pissed off at SE cause one of the MS ads tried to use the audio api... And Google is the ad provider

djsmiley2k

07:17

something up with rioting?

Journeyman Geek

No idea. I'm on my own homeserver ;p

bertieb

07:29

> #ra:roota.cc is not accessible at this time.

> M_UNKNOWN was returned while trying to access the room

and then it loaded

maybe sync is slow?

Journeyman Geek

Maaaaaagic

djsmiley2k

I'm on Vulpin and no worky

Journeyman Geek

Hm

Wait

Actual riot?

@Bob runs that but that connects to the server you actually have an account on

djsmiley2k

/me shrugs

I can try another homeserver?

this got complicated before tho :D

I'm happy to just wait too

Journeyman Geek

07:45

assuming its the homeserver

Ok... either razer's mousepads are getting bigger, or I bought the wrong size

bertieb

But Bob's on Vulpin

And it seems to be working for him

I am confuse

Journeyman Geek

actually

I see no one on roota.cc online now

Bertie, bob and I run our own

bertieb

Ahh

Journeyman Geek

AND OF COURSE THIS DARNED THING IS SO RESLIENT WE DO NOT EVEN NOTICE WHEN A SERVER MIGHT BE DOWN.

bertieb

I didn't twig when you said smiley's account is on quix's HS

Journeyman Geek

07:49

I'm not sure if that's a feature or a bug

bertieb

Need morning caffeine

drags knuckles to kettle

Journeyman Geek

Bob

08:02

@JourneymanGeek :D

@djsmiley2k You're using Riot, which is just client-side JS served by a basic static webserver, and connecting to roota.cc homeserver.

Journeyman Geek

unrelatedly - I'm loving the third screen for RHFC purposes

bertieb

Ryan Herco Flow Solutions, you say

Or completing a Rental Housing Finance Survey?

Using a Restricted Hartree-Fock-Slater?

Oh, that changes everything

Journeyman Geek

Red free hand sphere... ;p

only in 2d

bertieb

You're on manoeuvres with the Royal Highland Fusiliers of Canada?

Ahhh

Journeyman Geek

red free hand circle ;p

with a pen on a screen

bertieb

08:06

Sorry, my brain, still caffeineless

But you'll mark the screen and we cannot see it!!

Off to pour a pot of tea

Journeyman Geek

@bertieb I can draw directly on a screen

like a boss

bertieb

Yes, but the joke works a lot better if I pretend I don't know that's possible

;-P

Is it a special screen or a special pen for drawing on regular screens?

Burgi

morning

is riot down?

DavidPostill

It would appear it is ...

Error message is empty :/

Journeyman Geek

@bertieb yes

(its a special pen, and a special screen)

I basically bought the smallest drawing pen tablet I could find

bertieb

08:17

Ah, cool

My fiend has one of those

But then he's an artist

Journeyman Geek

Interesting cabling on that

Single USB C in, splits into 2x USB (one for data, one for power that ought to go into a USB charger adaptor but I power it off my PC) and HDMI

rahuldottech

09:06

> Fun fact: On the Russian StackOverflow “Lazy Arsehole Not Doing His Homework” is listed as one of the official reasons to close a question.

Source: am Russian and programmer.

@JourneymanGeek this is your setup?

It's cool!

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech yup

DavidPostill

09:19

So what's up with riot then? Is there a server down?

Journeyman Geek

09:32

I think @allquixotic's server is

bertieb

09:45

That Meta question

"You're in insert mode"

85 upvotes

HALP NOT ENOUGH REP

xD

Michael Frank

10:19

@DavidPostill It's accurate though... "nothing was returned when trying to access the room."

DavidPostill

lol. I was expecting an error number or something

djsmiley2k

@rahuldottech LOL get this on twitter, watch the ~~world~~ vodka burn.

Journeyman Geek

10:40

@rahuldottech funny thing is this is basically the third iteration of having my own desk....

and I started with a dell 530 I pulled from the dumpster, and this keyboard

bertieb

10:55

Whit

> Posted by u/bertiebaggio 7 hours ago

But it's now o'clock!

and I just posted it

rahuldottech

> We tried to buy the researcher’s silence, but he refused

see 1 and 2

bertieb

delves into timezone settings

rahuldottech

WOW

Seriously?

bertieb

Ah, Rahul's here

I went with /r/BudgetAudiophile

can't remember if they were ones of the subreddits you recommended

reddit.com/r/BudgetAudiophile/comments/cazbt7/…

rahuldottech

@bertieb they weren't, but sounds appropriate :)

bertieb

10:58

Ah well, the ones you recommended must have at least pointed me in the right direction ;-P

Cheers!

rahuldottech

> Upon his initial communication to Zoom, the researcher asked whether Zoom provides bounties for security vulnerability submissions. Zoom invited the researcher to join our private paid bug bounty program, which he declined because of non-disclosure terms. It is common industry practice to require non-disclosure for private bug bounty programs.

Uhh, no it's not?

also, what's a "private" bug bounty programme?

bertieb

@rahuldottech Seems like you tell them the bug, they pay you a bounty and quietly fix it (hopefully)

rahuldottech

@bertieb Yeah, I figured. But it's definitely not common

That basically defeats the whole point

If there's not a "fix in 90 days or I'll release to the public" thing, then the company is under no pressure to actually fix it

Also, when disclosed to the public after fixing, that encourages users to update their software.

bertieb

Yea, kinda

rahuldottech

(It's always assumed that any bug that researchers have found is already being exploited in the wild)

bertieb

11:06

Depends on the NDA terms I guess, I suppose the company could say that they (rather than the hacker) will disclose

Not sure how often that is the case though

Michael Frank

@rahuldottech They probably don't have any presence on HackerOne or BugCrowd, etc.

rahuldottech

I'm pretty sure oth Google and FB have their own platforms too

But neither force NDAs

@bertieb Again, that defeats the whole point of the 90-day window

bertieb

How so?

If as part of the NDA comapny says "We will disclose on or before YYYY-MM-DD", that does the same thing, no?

rahuldottech

@bertieb ah, yes, this makes sense

bertieb

If they don't, they've broken the agreement and as such it's not in force and the hacker can disclose

Of course, that doesn't exactly apply in status:WONTFIX cases...

rahuldottech

11:11

yeh

> WEEEE DOODOO DOOO WEEE DOODOO X2
WEEEE DOODOO DOOO DOOO
DOODOO DOODOO DOODOO DOODOO

bertieb

Zoom is valued at $25 Bn?

I've never heard of them until now

> After attempting to uninstall the Zoom client on macOS, the software will keep on re-installing automatically, using a hidden web server that is set up during the first installation and that stays activated after attempting to remove the client. As of July 2019 the software offers no method for complete removal on macOS and will re-install itself when following Zoom meeting links, using the hidden web server.

Wow

That's... something

rahuldottech

@bertieb I hadn't either

Burgi

i think it is video conferencing software

our big new client uses it

Journeyman Geek

Yeah, basically cause google started nerfing hangouts

rahuldottech

:(

Journeyman Geek

11:18

Honestly - and this is as someone who says SE keeps losing focus...

rahuldottech

I will miss Hangouts

Journeyman Geek

SO ought to write one.

They use video chat a lot

Burgi

it records and auto-transcribes all VoIP calls, tracks emails and IMs and does screen sharing etc

we went to a physical meeting and noticed that the boardroom conference phone was recording EVERYTHING we said

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, but I have a really bad back

@JourneymanGeek afaik, they use Hangouts

The Chat/Meet/Business version

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech off the wall idea..

Get a stool or a dining chair

one forces posture.

bertieb

11:20

Don't Google have about six video call products now?

They'll shut em all down eventually

Google always does

Journeyman Geek

@bertieb and they're stripping features from hangouts

Burgi

@rahuldottech you are 18, you aren't allowed a bad back unless you go out fighting or jump off cliffs or something

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech SO basically relies massively on that

rahuldottech

@Burgi I've had a bad back for years now

bertieb

@JourneymanGeek Which ones?

I don't really use video calls so don't keep my finger on the pulse

rahuldottech

11:21

I think it started back in late 9th grade or 10th grade.

Journeyman Geek

@bertieb I don't remember

I don't do video either ;)

bertieb

Ah, fair enough :P

Burgi

@rahuldottech go get a massage or physiotherapy then

bertieb

Unrelatedly

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech There's multiple things that cause that

bertieb

11:22

Why is YouTube showing me ads for "plus-size lingerie" ?

I can think of at least three things wrong with that

Journeyman Geek

I started turning my mattress (seriously do this!)

@bertieb we're not going to judge ...

bertieb

@JourneymanGeek Nothing wrong with it

Just not my thing

Journeyman Geek

Precisely

bertieb

I'm not a Tory MP after all...

Burgi

This One Weird Trick To Reduce Future Back Issues... get it sorted when you are young

bertieb

11:23

Yeah, posture helps

rahuldottech

@Burgi I've spent thousands on doctors' visits. They always blame a lack of vitD. So I start taking more. But they say it's still deficient. So then this happens...

Apr 20 at 15:29, by rahuldottech

Hey so it turns out that I have very toxic levels of Vitamin D in my blood

bertieb

Moving about helps

rahuldottech

See context

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech this sounds wierd

but have you tried sleeping on the floor?

bertieb

Stretching / mobility exercises help

Journeyman Geek

11:23

also there's different sorts of back pain

is it muscle? gas?

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek I haven't, but I've heard that it can help. I'll try it out in... five days, when mom's left for Bhutan and I'm home alone again

Burgi

most back pain is muscluar

bertieb

Yea

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek the type where I'm in lots of pain unless I do some extreme stretching and "pop" my back

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi I had a backache which got sorted out by monumental amounts of soda and a good long fart.

3

rahuldottech

11:24

I don't think that's muscular, but I might be wrong

The thing is

Journeyman Geek

Well not monumental, a 500ml bottle a day....

rahuldottech

This pain has spread over the past year, and now affects most of my joints

Journeyman Geek

BUT the whole concept of gas is alien

rahuldottech

Still worse at the back tho

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech that's not going to get fixed by a better chair

bertieb

11:25

Hmmm

Journeyman Geek

I half suspect its diet

do you eat a ton of packaged stuff?

Burgi

+1

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek I try and eat healthy

bertieb

Have you had rheumatological investigations done on those doctor visits?

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek Less than average for a teenager

@bertieb no idea what that is, so I don't think so

Burgi

11:26

bones and joints

rahuldottech

See at this point my mom won't even go to another doctor because they never have a diagnosis, so I'm going to go myself when I'm home alone next week

@JourneymanGeek Maybe not fixed, but slightly better?

Burgi

change doctor?

rahuldottech

@Burgi Been to many different ones

Burgi

go to one in bhutan

rahuldottech

I think part of it is because they think I'm so young so nothing can be wrong with me? It's very infuriating.

@Burgi I won't be going to Bhutan for many months now, probably

Journeyman Geek

11:28

@rahuldottech so here's a thing about vitamin D

bertieb

RhF, anti-CCP, etc

No idea what it would cost to have that done in India

Journeyman Geek

If I recall it helps with calcium absorption

Burgi

nods

go sunbathe

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek I drink lots of milk!

@Burgi ahaha this is Delhi I'll get a stroke

bertieb

@JourneymanGeek Parathyroid hormone activates vitamin D which helps reabsorption of Ca from small intestine (sorry for triple ping)

IIRC

rahuldottech

11:29

fwiw, I do exercise quite a bit, and get a decent amount of sun exposure

Burgi

wear a gasmask

Journeyman Geek

yup

rahuldottech

Also, apparently sesame seeds have a lot of calcium?

bertieb

@rahuldottech Have you had PTH and Ca2+ levels checked?

rahuldottech

@bertieb I haven't, no doctor has recommended it to me

bertieb

11:31

Hmm, fair enough

Do you have any signficant stiffness?

Does the back/joint pain get better as the day goes on, and with activity; or worse?

rahuldottech

@bertieb IDK about stiffness, but the pain in my back and neck is bad

bertieb

Scale of 1-10?

Burgi

@bertieb UBO blocks youtube ads

rahuldottech

As in it my neck starts hurting if I even bend down to tie my laces

bertieb

@Burgi It was an ad in the "related videos" bit

rahuldottech

11:33

@bertieb Usually not affected by activity. Constant throughout the day. Least while sleeping.

bertieb

@rahuldottech Anything other than sleeping make it better?

rahuldottech

I was just pointing out that not only is secure boot "not a thing" on mac, you can't even ask about it from terminal. — Tetsujin 12 mins ago

Uh m8

bertieb

Any changes in sensation (tingling, touch, etc) in hands / feet?

rahuldottech

@bertieb I used to think taking vitD did, but it's very possibly a placebo effect, since my back pain didn't go down even when I had enough vitD in my system

@bertieb I've experienced tingling a couple times in my hands, a few months ago. Once I dropped a bar of soap because I couldn't hold on to it or something? 'twas weird.

bertieb

Does the pain the neck/back go anywhere? Shooting down your arms, legs etc?

rahuldottech

11:36

@bertieb shooting down arms till wrist sometimes

fwiw, proper posture where no joint is under strain does help a bit

bertieb

Hmm

Have you mentioned these symptoms to drs you've seen?

rahuldottech

@bertieb I have? They usually disregard everything I say?

avazula

@rahuldottech Lots of courage to you

Back is painful

bertieb

@rahuldottech That's frustrating

rahuldottech

Last time I was told "there's no physiological (?) reason for cracking joints/back"

He also charged me 4k

bertieb

11:39

You should feel like you are being listened to

rahuldottech

so... //shrug

@bertieb I'm thinking I'll go to my childhood doctor (the one I've been visiting since literally the day I was born - he was in the room when I was delivered), and explain the whole situation

bertieb

45 quid to be told that seems annoying

@rahuldottech Can't hurt to do so

Well, except the wallet

rahuldottech

He usually refers me to others for problems specific to joints and bones, but I'll still first explain it all to him first

Maybe he has some ideas

bertieb

even if they can refer you to someone they know and trust

Aye

rahuldottech

@bertieb He doesn't charge much for consultations, if at all. He's a super dude.

@avazula Thank you

bertieb

11:41

Also worth saying they they seem to be fixated on Vit D and cracking, but you're more concerned by the pain and other symptoms

rahuldottech

@bertieb yeh, I will

bertieb

@rahuldottech Sounds like you've found a good one

I've heard stories from others that I won't repeat here who have experienced the health system first hand

rahuldottech

@bertieb hah, he's been like a constant my whole life

bertieb

There's something to be said for continuity of care

I'm a big fan of it

avazula

I have a phobia about doctors

brrr

rahuldottech

11:44

@bertieb Honestly the health system in the US seems... horrific, from what I've read on the interwebz. It's much better in India. Everyone receives highly subsidized healthcare here if they need it. No one leaves a govt. hospital having been refused treatment.

avazula

Sadly, some things can't fix themselves

bertieb

@rahuldottech Fair enough

Bear in mind confirmation bias though

If you think the US system is horrific, you'll tend to notice articles that say "Hey, look at this terrible story about the US healthcare system"

That said, I don't disagree

rahuldottech

@bertieb Ah, yeah, I know

bertieb

But then I probably have the same confirmation bias

OTOH, some of the care they provide is world-leading

if you can afford it

> YouTube users can't stop streaming Latin Pop

it's the Spanish-speaking form of Latin

rahuldottech

Speaking of latin...

bertieb

11:48

Now I'm slightly disappointed that the Vatican hasn't been releasing chart-topping songs

rahuldottech

I've always wanted to learn it

bertieb

Ah well

rahuldottech

> Barbie Girl by Aqua is actually an allegorical take on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

> "Life in plastic, it's fantastic" refers to the efforts of authorities on both sides to maintain an illusion of normalcy in everyday life.

> "Come on Barbie let's go party" is meant to be all about the defiance of Yassir Arafat over peace talk breakdown.

> "You can brush my hair, undress me everywhere"
is a not-so-well-hidden comment on the struggle for control of East Jerusalem

bertieb

Is this one of those analyses that tells you more about the person who wrote it than the piece it purports to analyse?

rahuldottech

lmao I love these

@bertieb reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/63f8wz/…

It's a great troll

I just remembered reading this thread so found it again with some quick google-fu

avazula

11:52

@rahuldottech is this for real or are you joking?

I mean, the Barbie thing

rahuldottech

@avazula yes

avazula

haha okay

rahuldottech

Oh god reddit.com/r/shittypopanalysis

Journeyman Geek

I saw one more o than there was...

bertieb

@JourneymanGeek ShapedLikeItself

rahuldottech

12:05

@JourneymanGeek confirmed woof brain

bertieb

12:16

Wof brain?

Realtor is a trademark?

Today, I learned

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14:26

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