Root Access

@JourneymanGeek I've never actually used UDP port forwarding (because I've never worked with anything which uses it), but in my router settings, there's a drop down for "protocol" and I just always assumed that you just change the option and everything else remains the same.

rahuldottech

11:03 AM

@MichaelFrank lol

djsmiley2k

11:57 AM

I am So confused

we have AIR-AP2802I-E-K9's

they are meant to be dual band AP's

Yet I seem to only be able to have them on 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz, not both

Journeyman Geek

12:16 PM

that smells off

@rahuldottech looks like someone flagged your little stunt and you got suspended

I have half a mind to let the suspension sit....

@rahuldottech you got unsuspended

please ignore the invite

Please note if this happens again, I might not always notice.

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek thanks

@JourneymanGeek yeah, sorry

I gotta go study. See y'all l8rz

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rahuldottech

12:31 PM

Thanks, but unfortunately this post of yours isn't an answer, and will be nuked... — rahuldottech 26 secs ago

@JourneymanGeek nuke

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek For him reacting to the death of a superhero?!

rahuldottech

@djsmiley2k Nah, I spammed some ascii

<><

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k EXCELSIOR!

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek incorrect spelling

djsmiley2k

@rahuldottech ah ok then maybe you deserved it :D

rahuldottech

12:42 PM

ascii is good i hate u and i am ragequitting bye

djsmiley2k

kbai.

-2

Q: Windows saying it's PM when its' AM

In Windows 10, the clock is saying its 12:08 PM when its 12:08 AM (noon). The bios clock is 24 hour format as is correct (12:08) I have the time zone set correctly (im in UK so its UTC+00:00) I have automatic timezone and automatic time set to enabled. I am not sure how to fix this without divin...

lol

bertieb

I could swear we had a question very like this recently:

12

Q: Does partitioning hard drives into a smaller partition than the actual size make it perform better objectively?

I used to work on a 80gb HDD back in 2016 and it actually felt snappy most of the time. And after purchasing a new laptop with 1TB HDD and a much bigger ram and faster CPU - the HDD actually felt much slower than my old one although it was newer generation HDD (Not sure about the RPM speed). So ...

hard-drive partitioning

Except it was more along the lines of "Does splitting a big partitions into smaller partitions improve performance?"

Please tell me I'm not imagining this :P

(there are many dupe candidates, but I was sure there was one quite recently)

djsmiley2k

Best question title ever.

8

Q: Are GFCI receptacles exploding and burning normal?

I noticed my tooth brush wasn't charging one morning and none of the plugs in my bathroom were getting power, I went down to the circuit box and saw a flipped breaker so I flipped it back and it immediately tripped again. I tried it once more with the same result so I started to investigate the p...

electrical gfci fire-hazard

Journeyman Geek

12:58 PM

0_0

rahuldottech

When do you get -1 rep?

Because I'm at 2,799

And idk how that happened

Journeyman Geek

When you DV stuff

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek Oh. I never DV stuff. Huh.

Journeyman Geek

or its a +5 (question upvote) -4 (2x question downvotes) ?

djsmiley2k

How much are comment upvotes, if anything?

rahuldottech

1:01 PM

@djsmiley2k nothin'

djsmiley2k

Booo.

rahuldottech

1:15 PM

None for any of the non-main metas

rahuldottech

1:35 PM

...Either (so no Qs or As will get you rep on meta.(so|su|sf|...))

rahuldottech

2:15 PM

28

Q: How to put a delay in AUTOEXEC.BAT

I have this MS-DOS 6.22 machine which maps a network drive to a SAMBA share on a Raspberry PI. The PI is powered by a USB lead from the DOS machine, so the two power up together. The mapping starts when this happens near the end of AUTOEXEC.BAT net logon samba mypassword /yes As you can imagi...

ms-dos boot

OMG I WANNA WORK ON LEGACY SYSTEMS

DOS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!

OMGGGGGGGG

>[=(ascii-iz-so-kewl)=]<

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech be careful what you hope for...

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek i just wanna

man

Journeyman Geek

you might end up supporting an AIX machine or a HP UX itanium server.

rahuldottech

i like hacking around with stuff and finding all these weird crazy tricks which work i love it

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech is it a bad thing I took one look and went "legacy CAM machinary?"

rahuldottech

2:21 PM

@JourneymanGeek no idea what that is

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech see linked SF post

> The DOS box controls some industrial machinery and the operators would like to load the CAD files onto it over the network. Apparently IT were asked to set this up and failed, which is why they are reluctant to talk to me about it. Having looked at other sites it seems the way to go is to map a network share to a local drive letter and deposit the cad files there.

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek which one

Journeyman Geek

1

Q: Can group policy deny access to non-domain shares

I have a requirement to deploy a Samba share to facilitate file sharing between a DOS 6 non-domain computer and a Windows 7 workstation which is a member of a Win 2008 domain. IT will not currently cooperate although they are not preventing me from attaching a device to the network either. So at...

windows-server-2008 group-policy samba

rahuldottech

I think the rep I got today

Is the most I've earned in over a year

In almost two years, actually

That's so sad

I couldn't participate on SU due to studies

:-'(

But then I didn't study either

2

So...

And I'm still not

ugh

bye

rahuldottech

2:53 PM

0

Q: Software OS compatibility

Can anyone please advise me which OS supports this program? as I want to use it but I don't know whether it's a windows or linux based. It can be downloaded from here and I wonder how it can be installed or built to be able to use it?

operating-systems compatibility

@JourneymanGeek on-topic?

Journeyman Geek

might be a unclear what you're asking

Burgi

3:07 PM

afternoon

i like having holidays :)

i dislike moving house :(

rahuldottech

@Burgi movin' house with girlfriend ?

Burgi

moving in with her

rahuldottech

@Burgi NAICE

😏

Burgi

the downside is she gets terrible internet

rahuldottech

@Burgi Nothing that can't be fixed

😏

noitsbecky

3:11 PM

@Burgi I'd dump her just for that. Unless there's a fibre option at her place.

Burgi

@rahuldottech you are more than welcome to try and bend physics to get her faster internet

@noitsbecky its FTTC but the cab is miles away

rahuldottech

@Burgi uhhhhhhhhh are ISPs shittier in your country than in mine?

bertieb

Is CityFibre rolling out to Manc?

Burgi

@rahuldottech more bureaucratic

bertieb

They've been digging up the roads around here

rahuldottech

3:13 PM

@Burgi how terrible is her internet?

noitsbecky

@Burgi That's not how FTTC is supposed to work... but also prime candidate for replacement with FTTdP or FTTPoD if you're planning to stay long term (5+ years)

Burgi

@rahuldottech 20Mbps

bertieb

Seems not for CityFibre (boo)

rahuldottech

@Burgi pshhhht that's not bad at all

get lost

humph

Burgi

i get 70Mbps here

noitsbecky

3:14 PM

CityFibre is an absolutely great product, if you can get a retail reseller to actually connect you up in the area - they don't provide service direct to consumers.

Burgi

my parents get 160

rahuldottech

@Burgi I get 24. This is the fastest internet I've ever used. Shrug. 20 ain't that bad at all.

noitsbecky

@Burgi Eh, not too bad. Last I had a permanent place the UK average was 16-30 depending on whether or not you excluded traditional (non-fibre-assisted) connections.

bertieb

@noitsbecky Vodafone are apparently doing it in Glasgow - I may have picked your brains on that - so I've given them my email

Burgi

@noitsbecky without fibre we'd get 3Mbps

noitsbecky

3:16 PM

Right now I can get 250Mbps (peak) on one mobile network and 150Mbps sustained on a second mobile network. Third operator with unlimited package delivers about 90Mbps peak but have an 80% capacity upgrade plan in place.

Burgi

@noitsbecky i don't know what either of those are

bertieb

@Burgi I think one of them is what BT Openreach are calling Gfast ? I was going to ask @noitsbecky that...

noitsbecky

@bertieb Vodafone have finally given up trying to milk every last drop out of their regrettable purchase of Cable & Wireless' fibre network?

bertieb

@noitsbecky I guess? All I know is that when I went to try to give CityFibre my money the ir website said "talk to our good friend Vodafone" instead

Burgi

@noitsbecky i thought NTL/virgin media bought cable and wireless

bertieb

3:19 PM

I can't tell if I'm on rollout for GFast ('ultrafast'); the Openreach checker only says "great news! you have FTTC"

Burgi

@bertieb there is a company called hyperoptic that delivers gigabit FTTP but their rollout ispainfully slow

noitsbecky

@bertieb Yes. They basically put a tiny equivalent of a FTTC cab on the pole at the end of your street. The average length from a FTTC cab to premises in the UK is about 300m, which is fine for 200Mbps service with G.Fast in the cab.. With longer runs, they plan on running fibre from the cab to the street pole, cutting the copper run to <100m. In bigger blocks they might even put it in the basement giving you a <20m copper run

bertieb

@Burgi Yea, they would be great; but they like to do big blocks of flats so a no-go for me

@noitsbecky Ah, cool; ty for the explanation!

noitsbecky

@Burgi No, it was Vodafone: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_%26_Wireless_Worldwide

bertieb

@Burgi They were also the ones who said "we'll cancel our Glasgow rollout plans if Scotland votes for independence", which is a bold move

(IIRC)

noitsbecky

3:22 PM

You might be thinking of Kingston communications in the Newcastle/Hull/Humberside area who did get bought over by Virgin Media IIRC

Hmm, nope. KC is still independent.

Telewest got bought by NTL, but that was ages and ages ago, and they never had a national footprint and were a consumer targeted HFC grid.

Burgi

well i remember cable and wireless dug up all the streets near us then they went bust and it was suddenly ntl that was offering their cable services

noitsbecky

Vodafone wanted C&W for their enterprise/ISP backhaul infrastructure to compete with Virgin Media and BT's core networks that had nationwide coverage.

@Burgi Cable and Wireless Plc (the consumer HFC division) did get bought by NTL.

Cable and Wireless global (the national fibre grid) was bought by Vodafone.

Burgi

so we were both right... :)

noitsbecky

(That explains the confusion)

@Burgi Yeah, a lot of these companies operate completely separate divisions and even I often confuse the two

Verizon for example operates consumer mobile service in the US, but also operate fibre core backhauls in the UK.

Aberdeen University for example has part of their JANET link down to central Scotland using dark fibre leased from Verizon.

AT&T have similar assets in the UK

Burgi

dark fibre is fibre that isn't being used, right?

noitsbecky

3:29 PM

Virgin Media also have separate divisions for end user and core backhaul solutions. The HFC network for example, which you buy cable TV and broadband from, is very separate from the core backhaul division that runs 10Gbps lines to mobile aggregation sites for EE and O2.

@Burgi Dark fibre is fibre that is not lit by the provider, you lease the fibre optic cable, and send the light down the fibre using your own optical transceivers. Historically, companies started selling dark fibre because yes, it was basically not being used by themselves.

Burgi

its a weird term

noitsbecky

So you might have Verizon run a bundle of 100 fibres from London to Manchester, use 40 of those fibres for their own services for whatever reason, and the other 60 are so called "dark fibre" but in reality, there's so much demand these days that practically all of it is leased to other companies and not actually dark, the "dark fibre" in that respect is just the marketing term for the product they're selling.

@Burgi Yeah, in the old days before I learnt about enterprise/ISP level networking infrastructure I kept associating "dark fibre" with creepy connotations like dark web or darknet

djsmiley2k

> Noise Margin: 18.3 dB 24.1 dB
Attainable Rate: 134496 kbits/s 43441 kbits/s
Actual Power: 14.0 dBm - 8.6 dBm
Per Band Status: D1 D2 D3 U0 U1 U2 U3
Line Attenuation(dB): 4.3 9.7 14.9 2.0 7.3 9.9 N/A
Signal Attenuation(dB): 4.3 9.7 14.9 2.0 7.0 9.1 N/A
Noise Margin(dB): 19.1 18.2 17.9 23.7 23.7 24.2 N/A

wooo

noitsbecky

Mysterious dark magic hidden under the sewers

@djsmiley2k G.Fast or just a decent VDSL2 line?

djsmiley2k

FTTC with .... someone <shrugs>

talktalk I think >_<

tis one of the stores.

They were on 0.5Mbp/s adsl2.

noitsbecky

3:36 PM

When I had a flat in south central Edinburgh we had a 180m copper run (actual distance to cab was like 40m) that had similar stats, about 120Mbps max attainable rate under VDSL2 profile 7a or something IIRC at launch. Once everyone else bought into it (because Virgin Media was more congested than the M25 at rush hour) crosstalk and interference had bought the attainable rate dropped to about 70-90Mbps.

djsmiley2k

@noitsbecky One of the sites I .... work on

has 4km copper >_<

noitsbecky

It was great when we had a power cut covering several blocks - my internet infrastructure was all on UPS backup, and the FTTC cabinet also had battery backup so I was the only person with an active line, and getting zero crosstalk and interference from everyone else's line in the same bunde kicked my attainable rate back up from 78Mbps to 112Mbps.

Vectoring and profile 17a was supposed to fix all that and provide up to 200Mbps to >50% of people on regular FTTC runs but that never worked out as planned (the technology turned out to be harder to work than expected, plus the stupid legacy requirements of wiring bundles being shared between ADSL2 exchange lines and VDSL2 from the cab, and having to reduce power and spectrum on the new technology in order to not cause interference or degradation to people who refused to upgrade.)

@djsmiley2k Plenty of stories of private/social enterprises running their own fibre or wireless backhauls in those days. I worked on a few. That was when BT basically couldn't give a rats arse about "Commercially unviable" areas until the government started dishing out money via BDUK.

Burgi

when i worked in the lake district one of my colleagues had about 10 km to his cabinet

he would get about 128Kbps

noitsbecky

@djsmiley2k Did they ever uncap the upper tier on FTTC? Last I had a place, the tiers were 40Mbps and 80Mbps, even if you had a 120Mbps+ capable line. the 40Mbps got upped to 50 or 56 or something to compete with VM's 50Mbps service, but the 80 was still capped at 76Mbps sync.

Burgi

if the weather was bad it'd drop to dialup levels

this was back in 2009

noitsbecky

3:46 PM

@Burgi I'd honestly just run my own damn cables and amplifiers down the poles in those days (ignoring all the legal and bureaucratic hoops and just doing it on the sly.)

Burgi

i said he should get a microwave relay

noitsbecky

After all if they didn't give enough of a damn about actually upgrading any of the infrastructure, chances are they weren't going to notice an extra 5mm cable running along the pole(s) painted the same colour and bunded with the existing ones. Heck they probably wouldn't even notice it wasn't supposed to be there even if someone went up the pole to repair it after a lightning strike or something.

Burgi

iirc he said that microwave relays were too expensive for consumers

noitsbecky

People have used microwave relays, with specialised kit as well as consumer WiFi gear, Deadmaus has a milliwave band microwave relay on a tower in his back yard for his gigabit broadband service without a cable.

@Burgi If this was 2009 it was probabaly before Ubiquity became big.

Ubiquity really bought the microwave relay concept into the consumer realm by reducing costs by orders of magnitude using effectively repurposed mass-market consumer SoCs running Linux instead of enterprise gear running custom-designed ASICs

bwDraco

noitsbecky

3:50 PM

They basically made a £50 consumer router do in software what a £50,000 Cisco router did in hardware.

bwDraco

Made some changes to the way updates are handled are handled on Astaroth. This will put the main desktop a month behind other systems on feature updates to mitigate issues like the 1809 debacle, but it'll continue to get security and quality updates immediately upon release.

noitsbecky

But we also had projects using just Ubiquity's passive gear and our own routers and software to provide microwave relays to remote communities and the scottish islands.

In the early days Ubiquity basically glued an Openwrt router to the back of a reasonably cheap custom designed PCB panel antenna or an adapted satellite dish and sold it as a Powerbridge wireless bridge. We just bought the PCB panel antennas that they sold separately

djsmiley2k

@noitsbecky Dunno, looks like this line is capped to 24~

@Burgi also shit in the rain.

Burgi

@djsmiley2k ours is fine in the rain

my current company has one

noitsbecky

The free public wifi in Edinburgh City actually runs using some Ubiquity Nanostations as bridges for their backhaul.

djsmiley2k

3:56 PM

@Burgi not heavy enough rain.

We used to have microwave for the relays from the res's back to the pumping stations

Burgi

dude, this is manchester. it rains 400 days a year here

djsmiley2k

but they'd go out in heavy enough rain/fog

yah

and I'm talkin about up mountains in wales :P

it rains literal sheep there, sometimes.

noitsbecky

@djsmiley2k Rain doesn't actually affect WiFi (gigahertz band) microwave signals all that much. It's a huge problem for millimeter band wireless relays though (50-60Ghz range) because that's the maximum absorption/scattering frequency range for water or something.

djsmiley2k

yah, don't think these were wifi range

noitsbecky

It's also how NASA space probes detect the presence of water in extraterrestrial atmospheres :-P.

Science ftw

djsmiley2k

3:57 PM

this equipment is prob 15+ yrs old

few km line of sight is fine, when you can see the other end ;D

Burgi

maybe they have come out of alignment over time

probably just need someone to tighten them up

noitsbecky

Oh it's oxygen, not water thats the problem in the millimeter band:

This is why you don't want to use 60Ghz for your wireless relays.

I think it's 24Ghz they use for Ubiquiti airfiber. The problem is 50-60Ghz-ish is relatively easy to get access to without complicated licenses, probably because it's mostly useless :-D

24Ghz can be used without a license in some places like the 2.4Gh and 5.2Ghz bands

I used to want a licence for 5.8Ghz BFWA because it's only £50 a year + £1 per site above 50 sites, but regulations for using it anywhere near an airport are highly restrictive.

Horn OK Please

@noitsbecky There was a 5 or 10 GBit, line of sight, point to point microwave "dish" between one of my previous workplaces and a building about 1 km away that provided our backhaul for our network (we had no buried cable; the other building had commercial fiber). It was very reliable except in heavy rain downpours, which would knock it out for short bursts.

noitsbecky

@djsmiley2k One of the times the police came after me was when I went "borrowing" some 15+ year old multi-KM wireless gear.

Horn OK Please

was it probably 24 GHz?

noitsbecky

4:13 PM

It was from a failed telecoms company (something like icomera) that used wireless to compete with BT fixed lines. Left hundreds of antennas attached to people's houses when they went bust in the 2000's. Pretty decent >20dBi gain 2.4Ghz waterproof outdoor panels, which were useful for my WiFi projects, so I nicked some

@HornOKPlease 24Ghz might be OK in the rain. Laser wireless relays really suck in the rain or fog ^_^ but most microwave gear is fine up to 50Ghz or so if you have decent enough path loss and SnR to begin with.

It's been a while since I worked/hobbied on it, so my numbers could be completely wrong. Just total guestimation from vague memories.

Horn OK Please

@noitsbecky 24 GHz OK Please? :D

noitsbecky

The frequency itself doesn't really matter much except for the very narrow bands of absorption spectra which precisely resonate with the bonds in water molecules (and other constituents of atmospheric air, like Nitrogen or CO2), otherwise its basically just broadband Rayleigh scattering.

rahuldottech

ok wtf is up with the reaction buttons here newsmirror.net/news/fatal-traffic-collision-on-yucaipa-blvd/…

noitsbecky

@HornOKPlease Horn OK Please.

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rahuldottech

@noitsbecky .........

...................

stupid sites

noitsbecky

4:20 PM

!!facepalm

ChatBot John Cavil

rahuldottech

@noitsbecky webcitation.org/73tzgZucv

Burgi

i have about £80 of gas to use up

That Brazilian Guy

Hiya @rahuldottech, haven't seen you in a long time.

noitsbecky

@rahuldottech Lol

That Brazilian Guy

4:24 PM

How are things in India?

(are you still in India?)

Kris Welsh

Hey, I have a brief question that isn't suitable for a post and was wondering if any of you could help me out. I need a small device that can pick up a wireless signal and send it down an ethernet cable to my PC, but I don't know what such a device is called so I'm having trouble buying one.

noitsbecky

I have a 10p a litre off at Tesco voucher I have to use up, but first have to fix the damn bike

Kris Welsh

anyone know what that is?

Burgi

a wireless access point?

rahuldottech

@ThatBrazilianGuy atm yeah, exams going on, chem tomorrow. leaving for bhutan in a week. then I'll be back in three weeks for a month. And then back to bhutan and then back for another set of exams ugh

I have to study

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ttyl, take care

Kris Welsh

4:25 PM

Wireless access point sounds plausible

That Brazilian Guy

@Burgi Not really. An AP "catches" ethernet and broadcasts wifi + ethernet. @KrisWelsh seems to want the opposite of a wifi extender.

Horn OK Please

@KrisWelsh what kind of wireless signal? what data is being moved? just an Internet connection?

rahuldottech

@KrisWelsh Any windows PC can do this (iirc)

Burgi

pffft! i can't do all the thinking round here!

Kris Welsh

My problem is my PC is in a deadzone and so i want to catch the signal from my router around a corner and send it over ethernet

rahuldottech

4:26 PM

@KrisWelsh search for "wifi repeater"

Kris Welsh

yeah, just an internet connectino

Horn OK Please

ah, yep, internet connection

That Brazilian Guy

@KrisWelsh Do you have an old, unused laptop available?

Burgi

ethernet over power!

Kris Welsh

@That

@That, potentially

That Brazilian Guy

4:27 PM

@Burgi OVERPOWERED ETHERNET!

LIKE ETHERNET, BUT OVAAAAPOWAAAAAA

Burgi

techradar.com/uk/news/networking/…

Horn OK Please

@rahuldottech I don't think that'll do the job. He needs a router that'll take another wifi network as the WAN link and has at least one LAN port.

rahuldottech

@HornOKPlease I think I have a thingy which can do that

That Brazilian Guy

@KrisWelsh You could run a Linux distro from USB, connect that laptop to your wifi, share its wifi to the Ethernet output, and run cables from the laptop. Would look ugly, but it works, I've done it.

rahuldottech

@ThatBrazilianGuy orrrrrr

That Brazilian Guy

4:28 PM

What @HornOKPlease just said.

rahuldottech

just do it with a few simple clicks on windows

Kris Welsh

@rahuldottech how do?

Burgi

a wifi extender or repeater will do him fine

Horn OK Please

3gstore.com/product/4136_surf-soho-4g-router-with-80211ac.html

Kris Welsh

extender/repeater seems a good option so far

Horn OK Please

4:29 PM

you can use that if you want a pre-packaged product that'll work -- I actually have one laying around I can sell you for way less than that retail price if you want

rahuldottech

amazon.in/TP-Link-TL-MR3020-Pocket-Wireless-Router/dp/…

@HornOKPlease This should work

Burgi

currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing-accessories/networking/…

Horn OK Please

a repeater might also work if you put the repeater within line of sight of your PC and your PC has a wireless adapter

rahuldottech

@KrisWelsh buy that amazon.in/TP-Link-TL-MR3020-Pocket-Wireless-Router/dp/…, and use this geekact.com/configuring-tp-link-tl-mr3020-3040-wi-fi-repeater

Horn OK Please

but the orignial problem, as stated, was to connect the PC via Ethernet

Kris Welsh

4:31 PM

the TP-Link thing @rahuldottech linked looks ideal

That Brazilian Guy

> Fast Ethernet connection

It's possible to attach a wired device such as a Blu-ray player, console, smart TV or streaming player to your WiFi network via the dynamic Ethernet port on your Netgear WN3000RP Wireless Booster.

Yeah, that's what @KrisWelsh needs. -----^

Kris Welsh

probably a problem in my question assuming that the best solution would involve ethernet

rahuldottech

@KrisWelsh Also, you could just buy a USB wifi adapter with an antenna

otherwise, hack around with the tp-link

good luck i have to study bye

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Horn OK Please

the nice thing about a WiFi repeater is you would only need a way to power the WiFi repeater somewhere within line of sight of your desktop (somewhere it also gets good signal from your router too of course)

you wouldn't need any cables running straight to your PC

Kris Welsh

Yeah, a wifi repeater on an extension cord is a pretty flexible solution

I feel like i have a bunch of good options now, thanks guys

That Brazilian Guy

4:33 PM

There could be potential signal degradation, but it depends on a lot of factors.

Hopefully nothing too extreme, unless you need low pings (online gaming, etc)

Bob

5:00 PM

hi

bwDraco

lo

Horn OK Please

GNU's "Kind Communication Guidelines" & SQLite's religious Code of Conduct

►

bertieb

6:12 PM

@noitsbecky I'm capped at 76 AFAICT

rahuldottech

7:12 PM

Man I am so screwed

bwDraco

7:24 PM

anandtech.com/show/13539/the-intel-core-i9-9980xe-review/21

> When Intel announced that its latest set of high-end desktop processors was little more than a refresh, there was a subtle but mostly inaudible groan from the tech press at the event. We don’t particularly like generations using higher clocked refreshes with our graphics, so we certainly are not going to enjoy it with our processors. These new parts are yet another product line based on Intel’s 14nm Skylake family, and we’re wondering where Intel’s innovation has gone.

> While Intel is having another crack at Skylake, its competition is trying to innovate, not only by trying new designs that may or may not work, but they are already showcasing the next generation several months in advance with both process node and microarchitectural changes. As much as Intel prides itself on its technological prowess, and has done well this decade, there’s something stuck in the pipe. At a time when Intel needs evolution, it is stuck doing refresh iterations.

That's scathing.

bertieb

@rahuldottech Study!

bwDraco

Tom's Hardware:

> If you're not ready to sink thousands of dollars into a HEDT CPU, compatible motherboard, premium power supply, and water-cooling loop, consider a Core i9-9900K instead. It'd give you a taste of the high-end desktop life using a mainstream platform. The Core i9-9900K isn’t going to win any value awards, but it's an attractive option for well-heeled enthusiasts looking for the fastest gaming platform out there.

tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-9980xe-cpu,5902-8.html

Horn OK Please

7:47 PM

@bwDraco yeah, but their 10nm or 7nm jump will probably be big once it eventually lands, and crush whatever AMD is doing

bwDraco

The big question is when.

In this business, first to market is a big deal.

While I expect Intel to regain the edge when 10nm becomes ready, and 7nm to follow within 12 months given the very long delay to 10nm, TSMC and others are not standing still.

I realize this is a big money game, and Intel has far more resources than AMD while the latter must also compete with NVIDIA at the same time, but I'm not so sure this will result in complete dominance.

If anything, that a company worth less than a tenth of Intel (by market cap) is even able to produce a competitive product is a miracle.

Intel made a number of significant mistakes over the last few years while AMD has just been executing on their plan without any major hiccups.

While before that, AMD made major mistakes like the Bulldozer disaster.

But I do have to note that marketing is a huge deal. Intel's almost propaganda-like Intel Inside program, along with NVIDIA's penchant for big launches which market groundbreaking features like RTX, means that AMD has and will continue to be seen as making inferior products, even when they do launch a product that is genuinely competitive, like Ryzen.

Among OEMs, HP is leading the charge with several Raven Ridge machines, including a 13" convertible laptop that is only available with Ryzen, but uptake of Ryzen by other major PC manufacturers is slow.

Breaking through the competition's marketing machine is hard, and marketing is what really drives sales.

Horn OK Please

8:08 PM

@bwDraco it's galling to me that AMD can't out-compete Intel on 13" thin-and-lights with AMD CPU+GPU with way better perf than Intel, considering they haven't touched the Intel GMA architecture except for teensy tiny clock boosts since basically Broadwell

bwDraco

@HornOKPlease Exactly. HP is the only OEM that's taking mobile Ryzen seriously.

Horn OK Please

how easily they could capture a big design win like the 13" MBP or Macbook Air with a Polaris or cut-down Vega that outperforms Intel GMA at comparable power levels

rahuldottech

8:22 PM

@bertieb yeah i think im going to fail this one

im a disappointment

rahuldottech

8:35 PM

Ok no fuck this I can do it c'mon it's not that hard ugh

dont flag this ffs

bye

Michael Frank