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00:07
@ThatBrazilianGuy Oh... just the absurdity of fitting the entire works of Shakespeare into an image that is then posted to Twitter.
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00:18
@HornOKPlease o/
00:50
!!caaaaaaaaaat
@MichaelFrank That's both hilarious and awesome
@Bob Got my sammobile case a few days ago btw.
Also remember those double-sided Micro-USB cables I said were worse than useless a few years back because they basically only work one way round while being able to fit both ways? Well after a year in storage and some extra wear and tear, they actually seem to work reliably now.
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@noitsbecky is it any good?
01:10
@Bob Nothing special, just like any generic looking and feeling $10 wraparound rubber/silicone case but with a slightly oversized sammobile logo on the back.
It's black, which aside from the logo, looks a lot better than my existing transparent/dirty-beige looking one, but is a lot stiffer making the buttons harder to use and it's a bit less grippy
01:51
OMG THEY DID IT
PER APP AUDIO OUTPUT
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02:07
@MichaelFrank What rock have you been living under? :P
A very large one, apparently. :<
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btw, EarTrumpet is a much nicer UI for moving apps around devices (thanks @JourneymanGeek)
Ooooh, thanks
Is there a non-MS Store version?
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@MichaelFrank Uhh... you could sideload
But I think you'd need to compile it for yourself
Actually, I don't mind. ^_^'
02:13
@MichaelFrank pretty sure their GitHub page has one
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@JourneymanGeek nah they stopped providing standalone installers github.com/File-New-Project/EarTrumpet/issues/253
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Nothing stopping you from compiling + running, but no installer
makes sense, maintaining two separate install streams is a pain
though they could've provided the appx...
> Just an update: We're working on this. There's some legal tape we have to clear before we can build these packages, bear with us.
@MichaelFrank Umm you've been able to do this from within (decent) apps for decades...
Also why so many firefoxes
@noitsbecky Of course, but right now I can output the sound from a Firefox tab (which doesn't have that option) to a bluetooth speaker for my daughter, while playing a game that doesn't support audio output on the main speakers.
Also, I'm not sure why so many Firefoxes... It doesn't seem to be related to the number of tabs I have open though.
02:23
@MichaelFrank Yeah it's sorta nice Windows can do it now, but anyone who's worked with professional audio has gotten used to controlling I/O paths from within their software itself.
This to me seems like yet another case of Microsoft dumbing things down for the general public while making shit harder for professionals
I don't see how it's making it harder for people that already know how to do it within their specific software.
That said, I'll have to see how it interacts or conflicts with existing I/O routing to see if it's a real drawback. Lots of shit they've layered on top of Windows 10 has had detrimental impact by chucking an extra layer of complexity on top, but some haven't.
Unless they've also removed the ability for applications to control their own I/O
@MichaelFrank That's the thing though, does one override the other? Which takes preference? Old applications will be unaware of the new API change, so how will changes be synchronized?
If program A requests output to device B but windows is set to default to device A, will the output go to A or B?
Microsoft has historically had a very long-standing and very strong policy of never breaking backwards compatibility so I'm hoping they've implemented it in a way that existing things will still just work as they are, but that's not guaranteed.
Isn't that already the case? Windows defines a default output and the application overrides it. I would assume a Windows set output would take a backseat to the application set output.
02:36
@MichaelFrank That's the current case, yeah. But if you change the setting in the Windows settings app, existing applications will have no way of detecting or knowing that's been done, and Windows has no way of propagating a reverse change into the application. So where will the output end up - will Windows ignore it's own setting and respect the application, or override the application without notice?
Probably all of the above.
It just reminds me of the clusterfuck that has long been the status quo for graphics settings - games have inbuilt antialiasing settings, graphics' drivers have their own antialiasing settings, both have an "Override the other" button, and while they may have basic awareness of said instruction neither has any way of synchronizing or propagating changes so that both settings agree with each other.
Which basically means there is no way to reliably and deterministically determine the end result.
> Set game to "Force antialiasing mode ON, override graphics driver setting"
Set driver to "Force antaliasing mode OFF, override game setting"
End result: Undefined.
I can imagine the same thing happening with this new Windows audio feature, unless Microsoft have been incomprehensibly smart about its implementation.
Which then reminds me of... "What happens when an unstoppable bullet hits an impenetrable wall?"
Anyway, probably making a mountain out of a molehill. Professional users will probably ignore the Windows settings. Regular users will probably use the Windows ones, not even knowing their software has their own overrides. Just wonder what will happen to power users who want to use a combination of both in different scenarios.
02:54
Spotify doesn't have an output device selector... Erf.
03:24
Whoa, I want one of these
Linux, WiFi, Ethernet, USB, and a few pins of IO for ~£5 shipped.
This sounds amazing for DIY stuff
In fact, it sounds incredible
Found a few: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3G-4G-Wifi-Router-Mini-Wireless-Portable-Wifi-Router-4G-Hotspot-RJ45-150Mbps-Wifi-Hotspot-Support/32817259451.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.51.1fe44bc5uDofsu&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10065_10068_204_318_319_328_10059_10884_317_323_10887_10696_100031_320_321_322_10084_10083_10103_10618_452_10307_532,searchweb201603_55,ppcSwitch_0&algo_expid=b26fb90b-08d7-4c92-ad62-88c75ae78b98-7&algo_pvid=b26fb90b-08d7-4c92-ad62-88c75ae78b98
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Portable-Lightweight-Mini-WiFi-Wireless-4G-3G-150Mbps-Router-for-Android-iOS/3
Thoughts?
@rahuldottech though its specific linices IIRC
@noitsbecky It plays nice with my WASAPI exclusive mode
its just a different way to handling user mode (not KS and low level) audio
03:41
You can get openwrt on it
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@noitsbecky It'll be fine, because it only replaces the default output. Other APIs that let you pick an output device should be unaffected.
@rahuldottech Why would you want a "3G USB router" for device that already has 3G, USB, and routing built-in?
@noitsbecky ...? I'm talking about using it like a standalone board for DIY projects.
@Bob Ah. Cool
03:47
Otherwise what it's meant to do is ethernet/USB dongle --> WiFi hotspot
@rahuldottech Link says it's for an Android phone. Not sure what you're trying to achieve, but it's not going to provide anything a $5 router off Ebay can't do far better.
@noitsbecky It is a $5 router
See OpenWRT link ^
@noitsbecky its a 5 dollar router ;p
USB dongle to wifi hotspot? So... a MiFi? I guess if you can purchase the hotspot and the dongle cheaper than a cheap MiFi...
@Aibobot Says $11.15 on the link I clicked.
Then again there's 3 links, for things that look the same but say different things
@noitsbecky There are several links up there.
03:48
@noitsbecky that's to say you can probably find it for 5 quid if you looked around
@rahuldottech Doesn't really help explain what you're trying to achieve and why
@noitsbecky he wants to throw openwrt on it and use it as a cheap SBC
@Aibobot Yeah, I have a literal box full of routers I got for 5 quid by looking around
because its what young whippersnappers do ;)
@noitsbecky As a very basic IoT device? Something to snoop on networks with? IDK, it's a dev board w/ USB, Linux, Ethernet, WiFI
Endless possibilities
03:51
@Aibobot SBC?
single board computer
The link I'm looking at doesn't have any suggestion that it can run OpenWRT, or any standalone OS for that matter...
think a raspi but even jankier
@Aibobot It's not really an SBC if it needs an external host device to actually do anything >_>
03:51
@noitsbecky its a generic piece of crap. Chances are it does.
It DOES!
@noitsbecky it probably will work with just power
@rahuldottech Well you should probably have started with that
he vaguely did
11 mins ago, by rahuldottech
@JourneymanGeek https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/unbranded/a5-v11
11 mins ago, by rahuldottech
You can get openwrt on it
03:53
Ralink SoCs are... yeah, basically the cheapest thing you can get that'll run OpenWrt... hence my box of £5 routers are comparable Ralink SoCs.
1 min ago, by noitsbecky
@rahuldottech Well you should probably have started with that
5 mins ago, by rahuldottech
See OpenWRT link ^
@noitsbecky I did. Before you joined the conversation. Once you did, I told you to check the link previously mentioned ^
@'ing someone else 10 lines down isn't "starting with"
eh GUUUYYYSSSS
Communication is hard.... lets buy routers? ;p
@noitsbecky @rahuldottech's mind is probably a little distracted with the possibilities...
@Aibobot the screenshot is doctored
sigh
its fine.
especially if it is - its not worth ... well arguing
04:00
message 1 https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/47436094#47436094
message 2 https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/47436187#47436187
w/e
gotta go, maths class
see ya
04:14
@rahuldottech It's in transcript order, just missing out a dozen irrelevant messages in between.
Anyway.
RaLink SoC with 4MB flash and 32MB RAM is fairly limited but will do basic non-routing functions along with just about any advanced routing functions.
Don't expect to run BitTorrent on it but you might get by with an FTP server.
Just make sure what you're getting is what you're actually linking/expecting. Seeing as at least one of the AliExpress links says nothing about the make/model/chip that's inside and it's plenty easy to have a dozen variants with different SoCs some of which will and some won't run OpenWRT.
Fuck it, I'm buying a Samsung 970 SSD
Only question is 2x500GB or 1x1TB
Lmao. Whinging about lack of disk space, then I discover this:
Apparently my OCD in having round numbers for my drive sizes has had me hiding 142GB from myself for the past year...
04:31
o0
Well it's not exactly 3.50 TiB anymore but it's also not 8GB free. Plus none of my other drives are round numbers anyway :-|
04:59
Hmm leaning towards the 1TB. Totally unnecessary capacity wise, but it's got an SLC cache big enough for my hibernate file and twice the write speed outside of the SLC cache
And hibernate/resume speed is the most annoying drawback of my current M.2 boot drive which drops to like 100MB/sec when it's pissed off
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05:33
@noitsbecky 1x 2TB 860 evo :P
@Bob I don't need the space, I want the hibernate/resume performance
I'm actually thinking WD black now. Anandtech says it's basically the same performance +/-10% across the board but uses half the power. Which matters in a laptop when you've got 3 drives in it
In fact in the heavy benchmark the Samsung 970 Evo uses over 20W, the WD less than 10W. Two of the Samsung SSDs would use more power than my quad-core CPU at full load.
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@noitsbecky 1x 512 GB 970 pro
Lol, so the Samsungs use 2x the power of the WD while active, the WD uses 10x more power when idle :-/
It does however, take 14ms to wake from idle vs. 0.2ms on the WD... Urgh way to make my choice hard again
@Bob 40% higher price for 10% higher read and 0% higher write performance :-|
Uhh, those performance charts o.0
06:00
Uh yea
Why do some of the lines go backwards
2
Went for the 500GB WD Black. Might be the first time in 10 years I bought a non-Samsung SSD... (exception being a cheapo 120GB Kingston for the work laptop in '15)
And I feel like changing my mind already
> o: I want a tail
GENIE: ok
α: longer
GENIE: sure
q: LONGER
GENIE: dude
@: perfect
Fuck, now I wish I gone for the Samsung. Sure it has 14ms idle latency but that's less than 1 frame on a 60Hz display, i.e. almost literally unnoticeable, and sure it has double the active power draw, but how much time am I really going to be spending writing 2GB/sec while on battery?
Now I want the Samsung 970 Pro
ARGH
@Bob Y'know what, I just cancelled my order for the 500GB WD Black and the 1TB 970 Evo and went for your suggestion of a 512GB 970 Pro.
It's "only" £35 more than the 500GB Evo and it outperforms the 1TB Evo by 50% in sustained write (which is going to be important for a 32GB hibernation file on an encrypted drive, which is basically gonna be nearly always at 100% full steady state performance.)
06:34
Good morning from RSET's Heisenberg Lab
^ can I get an actual code editor in this text-area. I can't look at this without syntax highlighting.
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@noitsbecky ...I was half joking -_- (that said if hibernate perf is top priority it's probably not a terrible idea)
@Bob It's pretty much the only thing my current SSD sucks balls at (32GB at 100-200MB/sec thermal throttled... gtfo).
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@bertieb Because they should be scatter, not line? I guess :P
@noitsbecky ...if thermal throttling is the problem then maybe a high-power ssd isn't the best idea
And since it's going to be perpetually full and also fully encrypted, regular consumer burst workload benchmarks need not apply...
@Bob This thing is just utter shit and thermal throttles after 30 seconds nomatter what.
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@bertieb Wait that's still two latency values at one iops
o_O
06:41
Granted this laptop doesn't have the best ventilated M.2 slots, but it's hardly a Macbook Air
@Bob Hehe, yeah, o_O was my reaction as well :P
My project blog is going well
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@noitsbecky Isn't the problem a lack of Air? :D
07:02
oh that was fun
@JourneymanGeek SOMEONE GOT LAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID Biscuits? Halloween ?
I ssh tunneled to my experimental router. Then used that tunnel to open up a port on my actual router. Then forwarded that port to the experimental router then to my test client...
I think its nearly minimally viable!
👍
Nice
What hardware is this running on again?
the core i3/4gb/128gb ssd version
there's probably cheaper more sensible options - there's a bunch of celeron based ones, and you could go with fewer ethernet ports
aliexpress.com/store/product/… smells like the cheapest option they have
and its 'good enough'
Oh, cool!
07:12
@JourneymanGeek holy shit this is so cool
Sorta expensive tho
Was just thinking that
As an aside, why would pings out of a host be all over the shop (50ms - 8000ms, 5-40% packet loss) but inbound be fine?
Trying to figure out why mt Matrix homeserver is playing up
xl top shows minimal DomU cpu usage, normal memory AFAICT
(VTC: too broad, but if anyone has any ideas they'd be welcome)
@JourneymanGeek
now, with the power of this almost fully operational battlestation... with a drain cover over its exaust vent 4 ethernet ports...
@Bob There is air
@rahuldottech kinda expensive - but a lot more powerful/flexible than a standard router
and you could probably hack the same thing together with a rpi
It will suck but..
@rahuldottech ya, I felt that was overkill
07:18
@JourneymanGeek raspi will be nowhere as powerful as any of these
But there are also wayyyy more expensive, so...
meh
@rahuldottech precisely
Really depends on what you're using it for
@JourneymanGeek Huh, I wonder, what are enterprise-level routers like?
@rahuldottech well... actually
I suspect they're mips/x86/arm boxen at heart
the magic's in the routing ASICs
and a consumer router is actually 4-5 things
a firewall (which does NAT and I guess routing?) a switch (which this isn't) a DHCP server (which DIY exposes a lot more options with....)
but I'm sure you can bodge together roughly what I built with a modern raspi and a ethernet dongle, ;p
the performance will be magnitudes worse...
and for proper levels of badassery you would be using bind9 rather than dnsmasq
I don't understand half of this, but hopefully someday I will ;P
@JourneymanGeek Okay, I'm curious. I know FTP is for File transfers, but you can also use it to run commands remotely?
nope
@rahuldottech ah! Nor do I
that's half the fun
07:28
@JourneymanGeek uhhh, riot?
 
2 hours later…
09:30
morning
10:06
bleh
I'm trying to formulate a halfway intellegent question on something and have no idea where to start putting together something that isn't a "I have a thing? How do I do the same thing from scratch?"
OOOH
quack
taczanowski.net/… looks like what I need
though frustratingly, I can't do that until the router's completely running
guys
> Hi
Here's the thing about me - in case you haven't gathered from our conversations thus far - I'm extremely shy and self-conscious
I've only ever met one person off tinder and even though that turned out great, it took weeks and weeks of phone calls and convincing
I'm in no way suggesting that I expect you to do that, because I really don't. In fact you shouldn't
I'm just a very difficult person.
I'm really sorry
I feel like I owed you an explanation, at the very least
I wish I wasn't like this, but I am:(
u wot m8
lol
maaaaaybe something for riot lol
contex?
Concidering the things @rahuldottech shares, I'm not sure he's bothered....
but if you wanna take it somewhere more private...
10:34
looks like a wrong number?
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10:58
Anyone here still using LastPass?
12 month premium on Humble Bundle now
Premium isn't worth it anymore iirc
They basically made all the useful stuff free.
Tho i've moved away anyway.
i'm on lastpass
is there a better one i should be using?
@Bob ME
@Bob How much?
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@Burgi idk I use keepass. @HornOKPlease has switched a few times, can't remember what his current favourite is
@rahuldottech 8.16 USD
7.34 USD if you have a monthly sub
@Bob 8.16/year?
Huh, I dunno what I'd do with those features anyway
11:12
i looked at keepass but it didn't seem to be centralised?
considering migrating into lastpass from the plain FF manager took all fracking day i think i'm going to stick with it until i have a free weekend
o_O
Migrating at the time took me like 20 min
and the same to move to enpass.
when did you switch?
the lastpass import stripped all the URLs out of the CSV
11:30
o_O dafaq.
oh
I just installed the lastPass app in chrome
and it said 'Oooo you've got lots of stuff stored in chrome, want to import it?'
So yes -> done.
And then it offered also to disable the chrome password filling.
ah FF doesn't let the plugin do that
:(
so you have to export it from FF, import it into Lastpass?
faccccccck
ffs
so the reason nginx wouldn't work? The config is set to bind only to 127.0.0.1
11:54
0_0
for a moment, I thought you meant as a password manager
@djsmiley2k is it running?
What OS/Distro?
lol yes, sorted now.
gentoo.
Yesterday I was fighting it, thinking vbox was mangling the port forwarding some how
today I thought 'better check netstat just in case....'
quack?
low and behold 127.0.0.1:80
Well, i should of realised something was up when the documentation tells you to curl 127.0.0.1 to test if it's working.
A P A C H E > N G N I X
12:02
lol
I figured I'd try something new.
C H A N G E I S B A D
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Naw I mean a currently running web server instance...
@rahuldottech my first web server was xitami
I think the last release is older than you are
@djsmiley2k yes but the new version of FF doesn't have the ability to export your passwords
yup
12:08
Mozilla support vendor lockin?
xD
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12:19
@Burgi keepass db on onedrive. local keyfile + password master key
it supports merge/sync on save so you don't clobber
interesting
you should totally do that as a blog post
omg....
The start_lvl is used for children elements. you just saved a lot of things in my life — ashutosh Feb 17 '16 at 12:40
i spent all fracking morning on this
sometimes the WP documentation is so arcane you start googling at random
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@Burgi it's a fairly standard config afaik
@JourneymanGeek lmao
@Bob ENpass
Guys, one of you might know how to do this
We use Solarwinds Orion for network monitoring, blah blah blah
it has graphs that are interactively generated when viewed.
I want to show these graphs (and nothing else from the page) on another page...
12:35
when i was an engineer we just had chrome fullscreened and looped the tabs
yeah, this sis going to be screenshotted and dropped in a word report :P
i haven't used it for 6 years
Userscript?
this might help
@JourneymanGeek headless server.
interesting that the guy there refers to APSX pages then swaps to PHP half way down...
ah i hadn't scrolled down far enough
this new prodigy song is so 90s
12:42
lol
so orion is aspx
and he's written the page displaying it in php I guess
@djsmiley2k Is the image generated server-side?
I will test this fun times soon
@rahuldottech no, in the browser.
@djsmiley2k I have a solution for you
stab everyone?
It involves some testing, but it can definitely be done
Nah, way easier. :D
12:44
nuke?
Laser firing space sharks
@djsmiley2k Is there any way for you to give me access to the page?
lol?
dude seriously
If not, can you do Ctrl+U and put the source of the webpage in a gist?
I think that's all I need, but you'll have to do some debugging (minor stuff)
@Burgi what
i'm guessing this is a production server. he isn't about to expose commercial data on the internet for a randomer
@Burgi A demo with dummy data would do just fine
I just need to see how the webpage works, and the JS for the graphs
Hell, @djsmiley2k find me a demo of Orion on the web if you can. If you can't, grab the HTML source of the webpage
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12:50
@djsmiley2k headless browser :)
selenium + headless ff/chrome
or phantomjs with its own api, but that's discontinued now
@Bob that's wayyy too complicated
There's easier ways
puppeteer!
it's literally the best
What's the matrix port again? 8448?
for roota.cc? 443 :P
@Bob Yaaaaaaay open source!
12:54
The default port dealie
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@rahuldottech ...you're talking a client-side js-rendered chart
@Bob mhmm
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the easiest, least hacky, way is to let a proper browser handle it
Could have sworn it was 8448 but I cannae connect to my homeserver
@HornOKPlease So you want to... 👓 enter the matrix?
12:55
Unless I've really misunderstood what @djs is trying to do
@Bob Yeah, I'm going to do just that
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you probably have.
@rahuldottech ...you just called it "way too complicated"
@ThatBrazilianGuy I feel like our community here has become too insular. We haven't had anyone new come along and join it in a long time. There's no one new to invite to Matrix!
@Bob You'll see ;P
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make up your mind.
@djsmiley2k Text me on riot
12:56
@HornOKPlease I can't get on to matrix, so you can count me :P
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@rahuldottech that's not a proper refutation.
@HornOKPlease So you want to... 👓 enter the matrix? (Damn mobile chat that was meant to @bertieb
@Bob You'll see xD
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...
meh. I'm done.
@ThatBrazilianGuy I want to connect to a server but I can't... wonder if it's not me, but the network
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12:58
pjs was the old industry standard solution, now headless browser + controller (usually selenium)
@Bob It's too long to explain right now, but I'll do so once I get some more details from @djs
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if you want to try rahul's secret hacky shit that's on you.
@HornOKPlease I find it peculiar how sometimes it becomes a "commentary track" for SE chat and lately I'm way more on Riot than here, and out of the blue there comes a phrase that makes no sense out of context.
@Bob Okay c'mon. That's unfair. I'm just trying to help here. It's an idea, he can choose if he wants to try it.
w/e
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