Root Access

Michael Frank

00:03

wow... He looks like someone poured boiling water in his neck. D:

That Brazilian Guy

@MichaelFrank Who? This lovely little fella?

Michael Frank

Yea

That Brazilian Guy

So not creepy!

That Brazilian Guy

00:20

So not bizarre and... WTF IS HE DOING HERE

Dollynho e o Jorro - Tome muito líquido!

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user226528

00:32

"Congratulations, GitHub!", says SourceForge

Bob

@FleetCommand more like shameless self-promotion

I'm pretty sure Microsoft would have to actively set out to kill their $7.5B purchase in order to make it worse than Sourceforge.

Michael Frank

@FleetCommand That URL literally has an advert in it. :|

user226528

I know, @Bob. I know @MichaelFrank. I had no doubt before openning the newsletter in my email.

user226528

But some things, like this one, should be recorded, and remember anyway. They have value as evidence.

user226528

Clearly, this is a "rest in peace, GitHub" message from SourceForge.

Michael Frank

00:39

More like "Hey internet, don't forget about us!"

user226528

Yes. In the race to dig GitHub a cozy grave, SourceForge has to compete with GitLab and BitBucket.

Journeyman Geek

> Implemented malware scans for every single project on SourceForge

didn't they bundle malware for a bit?

Bob

oh, the irony

it burns

I haven't used filezilla since the installer bundled malware

thanks to their refusal to take it off sourceforge

that site is poisonous

Michael Frank

They probably mean "other people's malware"

Does the ninite.com installer strip the malware from Filezilla? They still offer it as a package option.

Bob

idk and idc

winscp does the job

Journeyman Geek

00:47

yup

I use cyberduck ;p

Michael Frank

03:04

Another day, another attempt to interact with the HP support chat.

Bob

@MichaelFrank At some point you need to ditch the chat and try phone

Michael Frank

Today is quite a good day.

ADHD Cat

05:16

!!caaaaaat

ChatBot John Cavil

rahuldottech

Hello @ADHDCat

Journeyman Geek

06:07

Hi @rahuldottech

Ave

06:29

blegh

I'm having more issues with systemd

Bob

@Ave ?

Ave

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Ave

this is happening almost everyday since a systemd update I think

and #archlinux is not helpful.

I'm tempted to ditch arch

Bob

o.O

journald failed to open a file

log file inaccessible?

disk full? github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5678

@Ave can you upload the core file?

Ave

06:45

elixi.re/i/jkc.lz4

disk is not full, it has 51GB free

someone on fn#archlinux helped me disable the journal storage so at least it shouldn't lead to consequent crashes now

but I still don't know why it crashes in the first place

Bob

lol... deb doesn't have lz4 until buster

Ave

want me to upload with it unpacked?

Bob

nah, I updated the container to buster

then realised I don't have the correct journald executable

brb installing arch

pacmans

...which has broken networking. fack.

Journeyman Geek

07:01

;p

Bob

...systemd-networkd failed

what's with arch and failing systemd? :P

Ave

no idea.

Bob

systemd/lxd issue => github.com/lxc/lxd/issues/4071 => bypassed with syscall blacklist

Ave

but yeah if the workaround the irc person gave me doesn't help, I'll switch to esxi and ubuntu etc on it

Bob

had to hop to a different host cause lxd on the test host is too old :\

Journeyman Geek

07:05

"I'll switch to esxi" 0_0

Ave

well this is a server.

Journeyman Geek

(I find it a pain in the arse cause how picky its over hardware ._,)

Bob

warning: core file may not match specified executable file.

ehhhhhhhhhhhhh

Journeyman Geek

and I prefer to run stuff on my home rig first

Bob

nope, symbol table mismatch

@Ave you're gonna need to debug it locally :P

Ave

07:07

but if it doesn't work I'll use proxmox

@Bob well, any commands etc to help me out?

I never dealt with coredumps on linux.

Bob

@Ave gdb /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-journald core-dump-file

it's been ... a while ... since I last used gdb so I'm kinda making it up as I go

backtrace or bt to view the call stack

from there I'd try to figure out which file it's trying to open

if you have debugging symbols you can easily inspect the variable

if not, you'll have to ... do something :S maybe pull it from fopen's arguments, one of which should be a pointer to a char array

or you could manually run journald under strace to see which file it's trying to open

ooh this looks like a pretty good starting point @Ave stackoverflow.com/a/5115653/1030702

pretty much as above except that guy actually knows the commands :P

apparently it's not easy to get debug symbol packages on arch :\

wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Debug_-_Getting_Traces

the official way is to ... build from source

ew

meanwhile debian is "install the debug symbol package" :P

Ave

@Bob it's all <0xwhatever> in ?? ()

I assume that's due to lack of symbols

Bob

@Ave yup :(

@Ave if you do bt full you can get a longer list

but it won't do much good if you have no symbols whatsoever

Ave

I did.

It's the same.

well

3 of the in ??s but still

Bob

I wonder how the dump in your screenshot had partial symbols

Journeyman Geek

07:20

shrug Arch? ;p

Andy K

morning

Ave

morn

djsmiley2k

07:40

my icons, they are gone :(

Journeyman Geek

0_0

djsmiley2k

I posted the image in riot

that worked XD

Bob

A note on the accepted answer by Bob showing the security-constraint: the auth-constraint tag makes it a BLACK-LIST, not a white-list. — DocOc 5 hours ago

blech

missing the entire point there

cue rant on how english works

@DocOc The auth-constraint applies to everything, due to the global wildcard url-pattern, except the http-method-omissions. You might call it a "blacklist excluding some values" which is quite literally exactly the same thing as a "whitelist for some values". But "blacklist excluding" is a double-negative, which is generally confusing, so this is really just a "whitelist for". The implementation might use an inverted blacklist, but the goal, and the result, is a whitelist. Therefore, it is a whitelist, and I am calling it as such. — Bob 1 min ago

Burgi

09:51

morning

djsmiley2k

Sup @Burgi

Sooooooooooooooooooo back at work

Burgi

10:16

got my new starter :)

djsmiley2k

:

First impressions? They turned up ontime? Etc

Burgi

yup, all great :)

djsmiley2k

\o/

Halliluia

Burgi

our IT company have broken her log in so she doesn't have emails yet

djsmiley2k

xD

Journeyman Geek

10:22

Booo

djsmiley2k

10:44

urgh

need to 're-mount' the netwrok drives, on windows

urgh

is there not a command to reconnect them without providing all the paths etc?

net use gives the status as OK

but explorer can't open it :/

djsmiley2k

11:19

reboot fixed it, sigh

That Brazilian Guy

@Burgi You mean a new co-worker replacing the serial quitter?

Bob

11:39

@djsmiley2k net use /delete * removes all of them

re-connecting ... eh. depends how they were connected in the first place

Michael Frank

Hmm... since when does alt+tab switch between 3 windows?

Burgi

12:26

@ThatBrazilianGuy yes

@JourneymanGeek have you seen QC today?

Journeyman Geek

Errr yes

Burgi

bit odd

bertieb

Ah, good ol' Erika Moen!

She's pretty cool

djsmiley2k

12:42

@MichaelFrank Pardon?

@Burgi ??

djsmiley2k

13:44

bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44392861

o_O

bertieb

14:09

@burgi / @ThatBrazilianGuy / others running WP: any tips for caching? Every time I've tried it, it has broken things in subtle ways so much so that even uninstalling whichever caching plugin I was trying at the time has left things broken, so I'm a bit hesitant to try

Journeyman Geek

@bertieb I just turned it off ;p

Burgi

@bertieb we used an external image proxy

all the WP caching plugins i've tried are crap

bertieb

Ah :-\

My 512MB VPS is creaking a bit, and figured reducing the amount of php/mysql would help matters

Burgi

yeah... i'd up that to 2GB

bertieb

I'd like to, if I can find a good deal (currently paying £15/*year*)

Burgi

14:13

using nginx might also help with the memory usage

bertieb

Funny you should say that

Was just reading about that

But never used ngnix

Burgi

i cba with maintaining my own box so i run on shared hosting

also how many containers are running on the host?

bertieb

(trying not to be a !!hv here (or learning-material-request) but I figured there might be something obvious to a WP professional that I'm overlooking

Burgi

nope

Bob

@bertieb chuck cloudflare in front of it

bertieb

14:15

Containers? No idea, I only see mine

Journeyman Geek

ehhh

Bob

or ditch wordpress and use something less crappy :P

Burgi

where is it slow?

Journeyman Geek

its fine to complain about things ;p

@Bob I'm debating that ;p

Bob

I still need to get a blog up

Journeyman Geek

14:15

I'd lose comments but...

bertieb

@Bob I'm starting to use hugo (after you recommended... well, jekyll, but same difference :P) but I have ~15 years of data in WP

Burgi

concrete5 is meant to be good

Bob

used Ghost for a bit last time

I'll probably go for that again if I ever get around to it

djsmiley2k

I don't have enough to blog, so I just use blogger :D

I do want to do a proper site tho

like at least semi-professional looking

bertieb

@Burgi the VPS occasionally OOMs and mysql falls over, so not so much 'slow' as Unable to establish a database connection

Bob

14:17

@bertieb offload the DB to another server

were you on buyvm?

buyvm offers pretty cheap db space

Journeyman Geek

dollar a month

bertieb

Don't think I've used buyvm before, will take a gander

Journeyman Geek

I was using it for a bit

@djsmiley2k eh, I run stuff to justify having a dedi? ;p

bertieb

Silly question, but is that a better idea than a second £15/year VPS for just DB stuff?

Journeyman Geek

99% of what I use is stuff that's for my own use

@bertieb you don't need to worry about ram then

Bob

14:19

@bertieb wait who are you using?

bertieb

@djsmiley2k Hugo themes looks totes amazeballs, as the kids say

Bob

alternatively you can try tuning mysql to use less memory

bertieb

@Bob Loveservers

Bob

oh, them

bertieb

@JourneymanGeek Ahh

Bob

14:20

yea they're probably pretty oversold

cheap though :P

I don't think they offer db offloading

bertieb

At £15/year, almost certainly :P

djsmiley2k

@bertieb themes.gohugo.io/hugo-theme-vec

not bad, tbh

bertieb

I used to have a full dedi, back in the day but can't afford it :(

Bob

@bertieb eh, buyvm has $15/yr with offload at $12/yr

bertieb

@Bob Aye, but 128MB instead of "512MB"

Journeyman Geek

14:21

@bertieb that's what I used to run my site on

Bob

lol

I'd offer a server or container but I imagine you want something rather long term

bertieb

Hmm, if it stops causing things to fall over I can live with 128

Bob

and I can't necessarily guarantee that

bertieb

In theory I should only need to sort this out for ~14 months or so

But it irks me to be half-arsing it

IYKWIM

The only other thing I need the RAM for is borg for backup purposes

Bob

hm

remind me tomorrow and I can set up a container :P

bertieb

14:26

Thanks 👍

Tbh, 15 years of WP-related cruft probably doesn't help

± 1-2 years

Bob

how much storage do you need?

funnily enough disk space is what's lacking on most of my servers

and any particular container OS preference? host (kernel) is debian stretch

bertieb

@Bob Debian/Arch would be perfect; I'm currently on 20G so that or less

But don't go to any trouble just yet- will see if there's anything sensible I can do here

Bob

k, lemme know if you want it

bertieb

Across all the sites there must be ≤ 5k hits / month, so I reckon there must be low-hanging fruit somewhere I can, uh, pick? remove? harvest?

Will do, many thanks :)

Burgi

wtf... our CSAs are fracking stupid sometimes

Bob

14:32

@Burgi s/our //

@bertieb probably just DB tuning so it uses less memory

and/or consider postgres :P

Burgi

they were freaking out that they couldn't find out how to cancel a re-mail in DotMailer. a platform i have never used.

i log in and click on the campaign...

bertieb

@Bob Good shout, will look at that !

Burgi

right in front of me in a big red button saying "cancel re-mail"

Journeyman Geek

@Bob can't postgres wordpress

that annoys me

Cause literally everything I run's on postgres other than wordpress

djsmiley2k

@bertieb Logs?

bertieb

14:47

@djsmiley2k nods I have logs

(I suspect I missed the point- logs are slow? take up space?)

djsmiley2k

they get big, eventually

;D

jokerdino

Testing Side View in Firefox. @JourneymanGeek, looks like Vivaldi split tabs

Journeyman Geek

how many can you split?

jokerdino

:D

10 in binary system

djsmiley2k

15:05

@bertieb well, if the io is congested, logs will be slow too

Journeyman Geek

@jokerdino ah, I can easily do 4 up or more

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Q: Tuning MySQL to consume less memory

I have a VM which has 2GB Ram, (full specs) And I am setting up a site which has one table in particular with over a million records. There's little or no usage of this particular database (perhaps once or twice a day) but simply running mysql grinds the whole server to a halt. I've looked throug...

bertieb

@djsmiley2k Fair point!

@JourneymanGeek Ty :)

Andy K

15:27

cya

That Brazilian Guy

17:48

@Burgi You can't expect them to know computers. Computers are hard!

@bertieb So... Caching and performance in WordPress are two complex topics, that overlap a lot, and books could be written on each subject.

I've only toyed with caching plugins, namely WP super cache and W3 total cache

By that I mean I installed on my local machine only

Canadian Luke

DUCT TAPE (DuckTales Theme Parody)

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That Brazilian Guy

(continued)

It was literally years ago and back then I remember finding W3 much more complete, but things change over time

Which caching plugins have you tried @bertieb?

bertieb

18:05

@ThatBrazilianGuy Can't remember; probably whichever ones are most well-known

W3 rings a bell

That Brazilian Guy

18:15

@bertieb These two I mentioned are (or were a few years ago) the most popular ones

bertieb

But they horribly broke things :(

rahuldottech

Hello.

bertieb

o/

rahuldottech

Rahul was about to get another girlfriend/whatever. Till she found out I'm a year younger. Oh well.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That Brazilian Guy

@rahuldottech Someone who doesn't want to be with you just because you're one year younger isn't someone you should want to be with.

bwDraco

18:24

.

bertieb

TBG beat me to it

(Although its small comfort now)

djsmiley2k

My wife is one year yonger.

GDPR

GDPR was about to get another girlfriend/whatever. Till she found out I only apply to European citizens and she only applies to American citizens. Oh well.

Her name was PIPA.

She's also quite a bit older, but unlike Rahul's would-be GF, she didn't care about the age difference.

user226528

18:47

FIFA World Cup is only a week away! 😊

user226528

Of course, teams that matter most are all in Pot 1.

user226528

Not that it matters now; it was just an interesting factoid.

That Brazilian Guy

@bertieb You're making me want to test it all again

And I still have Rancher and Kubernetes to learn

user226528

I bet Brazil will win the cup again. Hands down, it is still the best team in the world.

user226528

Huh! What an unenthusiastic room. Did anyone die and y'all are mourning?

Canadian Luke

19:04

Yea, Github is dying... Or, at least, Microsoft has decided to purchase it

user226528

Well, today I learned that it is actually not happening. But I guess I won't tell you about it so you guys keep mourning.

Canadian Luke

Wait what? Awesome!

bwDraco

19:26

FWIW it was only a matter of time before GitHub would be acquired. I doubt there would be significant changes for free users; the paid offerings, however, are likely to see some updates.

Canadian Luke

@FleetCommand I'm not finding that information... Where are you getting it from?

user226528

I talked to Regulator Stephanos.

user226528

Actually, Microsoft itself has reported it. You should only know how to read between the lines.

user226528

Or... when you talk to a regulator, Microsoft's second announcement suddenly makes more sense.

user226528

To sum it up, GitHub is a going to be a subsidiary. At least, that's the plan right now.

user226528

19:36

The bad news, however, is that GitHub has made a lot of mistakes so far and there is nothing to stop it from making more mistakes... Well, hopefully, Xamarin's former CEO will do much better this time around.

djsmiley2k

suddenly wikipedia's lack of knowledge about sources makes sense.

user226528

Well, Wikipedians are not allowed to write anything just because they talked to a regulator. That thing must first be printed.

That Brazilian Guy

Yay, new wireless keyboard & mouse!

Damn, I didn't see it when I was buying it... The position of the shift key is terrible

And by law the stores here aren't forced to refund you when there are no defects.

user226528

Happened to me a lot before I learned to look hard at a keyboard before buying it.

That Brazilian Guy

=/

It the only problem (so far)

Where the right shift key should be

user226528

19:45

I spent four years on a keyboard that had placed "Sleep" button where "Home" usually is. Imagine the fiasco.

That Brazilian Guy

Exactly where my right pinky is muscle memory trained to rest

There's a "?/" key

and the the shift key

I keep trying to type uppercase or upper rows and get lots of ////////////// instead

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAh

I mean /////////gaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh//////

ADHD Cat

@ThatBrazilianGuy Arguably, that is a defect!

That Brazilian Guy

@FleetCommand has left the room

@ADHDCat Fabrication defects.

ADHD Cat

@ThatBrazilianGuy Lies. I doubt it says specifically "fabrication" defects in the law

I mean what if it's damaged during shipping? That's also a defect and not a fabrication defect.

That Brazilian Guy

Yeah you're right.

ADHD Cat

19:50

Or they designed it with the shift button connected to the / button, that's a design defect too. And almost in practice what you're getting :-P

user226528

@ThatBrazilianGuy You seem to have your own reason to mourn right now. Anyway, I hope your association football team kicks Argentine's ass in the upcoming FIFA World Cup.

That Brazilian Guy

Not connected, just sitting beside it. Which is so annoying!

@FleetCommand I couldn't care less about soccer. Or the world cup.

ADHD Cat

In my mind it's an equivalent defect :-D

user226528

@ThatBrazilianGuy Huh! Some Brazilian...

That Brazilian Guy

@ADHDCat Let me show you:

user226528

19:53

Oh, it's not that bad. You'll get used to it soon.

That Brazilian Guy

Compare the right shift key on laptop vs on keyboard

It's awfully awful

When a place both thumbs on the keyboard my right pinky sits exactly on that spot

I bought it literally one hour ago, let's see if I can replace it

Usually any store would refund me in store credit =/

There's nothing I want to buy in this price range except for a different k/m set

ADHD Cat

National Airlines 747 Freighter Crash - NTSB Hearing

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Man these guys are so professional, matter of fact, and knowledgeable.

If everybody in every job was this good at their job... half the worlds' problem would not exist

bwDraco

I envy how airline pilots and ATCs are able to stay calm at all times, no matter what happens.

djsmiley2k

20:36

@bwDraco years of training.... and the fact it's stay calm, or die.

And they don't all stay calm :/

(my cousin in law works in ATC)

ADHD Cat

@djsmiley2k And they do sometimes die

djsmiley2k

indeed

ADHD Cat

Although partly in their defence, the senior captain was controlled and calm once he actually reached the cockpit and did everything right, it was just too late by the time he got there

Canadian Luke

So I'm trying to recover a hard drive for a friend on Debian... But my Syslog keeps filling with messages about the drive failing (I know!). Is there a way to not report those particular issues in syslog, at least for one device?

Michael Frank

@CanadianLuke set syslog to RO?

Canadian Luke

20:50

... Stop being so logical

Lol

Nope, syslog still filling

OK, I got it

# cat /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf
:msg, contains, "sde" ~
:msg, contains, "Sense Key" ~
:msg, contains, "Add. Sense: Medium not present" ~
:msg, contains, "Result: hostbyte=" ~
:msg, contains, "Read(10)" ~
&~

After I'm done with the data recovery, and unplug the drive, I'll remove that file

Burgi

21:59

CAN YOU FORGE A METEORITE!?

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user226528

... also known as Dan Brown's Deception Point.

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi that looks like a real one... :P

Burgi

it apparently is

user226528

22:16

Huh! Until point 14:11, I didn't realize that the word "forge" in the title does not mean "to fake".

Burgi

umm...

do you even english? :P

user226528

No, I don't even English.

user226528

I'm not even sure what evening English entails. ;)

Burgi

tea and monocles

obvs

user226528

Anyway, a dictionary entry for you:

user226528

22:19

> Forge (v) ... to imitate (handwriting, a signature, etc.) fraudulently; fabricate a forgery.

Burgi

i know

user226528

But this guy wants to:

user226528

> to form by heating and hammering; beat into shape.

Burgi

correct

user226528

Dan Brown's novel, Deception Point was about forging a meteorite.

user226528

22:21

The fraudulent fabrication kind.

Burgi

i think excalibur was meant to be a meteoric metal sword

user226528

I can't find anything in that regard, except for a certain film.

user226528

As far as the literature is concerned, Excalibur was given to King Arthur some times after his reign, by Lady of the Lake.

Burgi

yes

have you never heard of king arthur?

user226528

It appears I am the one telling you about it.

user226528

22:32

This certain film, whose name translates to "the lost legion" or "the missing legion", merges elements of fiction about a lost Roman legion, with elements of fiction about Excalibur, with elements of fiction about The Sword in the Stone.

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi well, or one made from a better grade of steel. Stuff like actual Damascus steel for example

Canadian Luke

23:07

I really hate Telus... Hope it's not just me

Burgi

my hayfever is sooo bad

Michael Frank

23:34

@djsmiley2k No, only Trump can do that.

But what I actually meant, was that Alt-Tab on my Win10 machine was switching from A-B-A-C-A-B-A-C.

Burgi

23:50

ok given up on the certrazine stuff

bought myself some loratadine

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