Root Access

Michael Frank

00:01

Yo temporary profiles on a domain machine, such fun to fix! :|

Bob

00:16

whoops, it was kumari

@bwDraco how do you trigger it?

bwDraco

C:\$MFT\foo

Bob

@bwDraco what, just navigate there? or do I need to create something?

bwDraco

Yup.

Bob

00:36

ok, kumari has finally finished booting

maybe I forgot to reconfigure the volblocksize

gah, it's not on the network yet either

Bob

00:53

> Remember that old test server that you built two years ago that caught fire before it could be used? Probably not. DNS still remembers it though.

> “I’m hitting this ‘scavenge now’ button like a snare drum and nothing is happening. Why?”

> “I woke up this morning, my DNS zones are nearly empty and Active Directory is sitting in a corner rocking back and forth crying. What happened?”

blogs.technet.microsoft.com/networking/2008/03/19/…

:D

bwDraco

01:04

...it's been patched: portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/… (see also social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/…)

The CVE ID is CVE-2017-8587.

Bob

01:24

@bwDraco finally got it up ^ Nov 2017 patch

bwDraco

Does the VM hang? Anything unusual on Kumari?

Bob

@bwDraco Seems to be fine

The bigger problem I seem to be having is my DC appears to have forgotten how to DNS :P

FML Cat

01:39

!!caaaat

ChatBot John Cavil

Bob

02:02

hmmm

I just realised I'm watching an update via libvirt console via WSL/SSH from Windows via RDP via RD Gateway hosted on the server I'm updating...

...the server that's currently restarting to update.

FML Cat

02:39

That... Sounds familiar.

Bob

I love how my Windows Server Core has Defender on it

And also that dumb popup thing that tells you to install updates

of course "view updates" doesn't work cause it doesn't have ... a GUI

well... I guess it kinda does but not the normal one? :\

@FMLCat slow day today? :P

allquixotic

!! s/day/cat/

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic @FMLCat slow cat today? :P (source)

Michael Frank

03:16

Sometimes I wish there wasn't a minimum number of characters for answers...

0

A: 2 Onboard Monitor. Will it toast my motherboard?

No, having two monitors connected to your computer will not toast it.

bwDraco

03:27

0

A: 2 Onboard Monitor. Will it toast my motherboard?

Unless you're using a USB-powered display (which generally require a special driver), monitors are self-powered and don't draw power from the display outputs, so the kind of damage you're thinking about won't happen. The Raven Ridge processor allows as many displays to be connected to the proces...

Michael Frank

Fiiiine, have an upvote. :|

bwDraco

:P

Weird... strongly related to this:

0

Q: Ryzen 3 2200g vga port issue

Today I bought 2200g computer. When I connected it to monitor only have vga port it didn't show anything. Later I try it with another monitor with vga port face the same issue. Then I used another monitor with dvi input using hdmi to dvi cable it worked perfectly. My question is problem is in a...

(same specs, different user)

A mod may need to look at this.

Michael Frank

A mod? For what?

The user profiles appear to be from different continents, and not even the kind that kinda touch each other either.

bwDraco

It's really, really weird.

Michael Frank

03:43

Could it not just be a commonly sold bundle? There might be some site recommended that as an entry level system for example.

I know MMO-Champion has a monthly build recommendation thread.

Bob

03:53

hi

Journeyman Geek

hi

That Brazilian Guy

04:17

@MichaelFrank You guys are kidding me, right?

Michael Frank

@ThatBrazilianGuy It looked cool. I'm not spending $250 on a watch though.

The idea behind the article is to promote an item they're selling on their own site, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Lifehacker do that sort of stuff all the time with the Kinja (I think?) deal posts.

Journeyman Geek

Yup

So does boing boing

Michael Frank

04:42

i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/…

O. M. G. I did not know this was a thing.

bwDraco

Gizmodo Media.

(formerly Gawker Media)

Michael Frank

shrug

Bob

05:19

hmmmmmmm

I need a way to figure out if home has power

while not at home

trying to remember which remote services I had up :P

> So why is LG's latest smartphone named after a dishwasher?

Journeyman Geek

05:38

0_0

Michael Frank

06:13

@bwDraco Camera gore. :|

bwDraco

lol

Fortunately, that's very cheap to replace.

Michael Frank

It's still $200 I'd rather not spend on replacing a lens though.

djsmiley2k

07:50

Mornin yall

Burgi

08:00

morning

oh ffs

Google are starting to charge for their mapping products

djsmiley2k

08:27

Meh, can't blame em

Burgi

WHO KNEW!?!

user226528

08:56

Hi. :)

Journeyman Geek

09:11

Hi

Just folks know - there's been a revision to the TOS

25

Q: A New (2018) Update To Our Terms Of Service Is Here

But not just because it's 2018, although that's a fine reason to do a great number of things. We're changing our Terms Of Service (ToS) shortly to address two things: Stack Overflow For Teams is launching soon, and we need to include stuff that talks about us expecting people to pay for it, an...

discussion featured terms-of-service

is a useful starting point

The important bit might be, should you feel you may need to sue SE in the future and are uncool with arbitration, you may need to write them a letter within 10 days

Paul Vargas

09:28

Morning.

Bob

09:43

Tim / SE personnel, GDPR enforces many things that the current and new terms might assume as correct. you should check with a european lawyer firm or could face serious problems ( up to 20M fines for heavy user-data driven platforms). Arbitration Opt-out must be a digital in-paltform option and not a "email us and we'll see". also, this paragraph "By accessing or using the Services or the public Network in any manner.." is (90% sure) illegal under GDPR. No automatic enrollment, no automatic TOS acceptance is permitted. — CptEric 3 hours ago

"no automatic TOS acceptance is permitted"

gee that sounds familiar

oh wait

8

Q: Make the ToS more prominent on registration and new questions from unregistered userrs

Currently, we have a little line at the very bottom when asking a new question as an unregistered user: By posting your question, you agree to the privacy policy and terms of service. There is a similar line in small text when registering an account, almost hidden away. These messages are ...

feature-request legal licensing unregistered-users registration

5 years ago, and not a peep

Journeyman Geek

09:54

@Bob snail mail us and we'd see.

Also, eh, that's something we've been sounding out a lot about.

@Bob bumped.

;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek lol. I'd actually never noticed the typo

Burgi

shiiit

shit

Bob

16

A: A new (2018) update to our Terms of Service is here

The terms of service claim that even visiting Stack Overflow constitutes agreement to the terms: By accessing or using the Services or the public Network in any manner, including without limitation by visiting or browsing the public Network or registering for an account on the Network, you af...

That one too

Burgi

i've screwed up

Bob

?

Burgi

10:06

accidentally closed the dev branch on the remote

Bob

o.O

how do you ... close a branch?

Burgi

there is a tick option in bitbucket when doing a pull request

wasn't paying attention because the person from customer services is shouting at me

Bob

oh, bitbucket

@Burgi community.atlassian.com/t5/Bitbucket-questions/…

Burgi

cheers dude

told the CSA to fuck off and leave me alone before I make a more serious mistake

Burgi

10:27

ugh.... people!

i'm going to call the new dev "Minion 2.0" because he has irritated me this week and done some big mistakes

user226528

Er, guys, I discovered something really useful in Windows 10 Settings app.

user226528

Sometimes, the back button doesn't appear. But Alt+Left Arrow does the job of it.

djsmiley2k

11:14

@Burgi tis funny

i'm offically minion 2.0

but minion 1.0 is the one making the mistakes

</phew>

Journeyman Geek

11:48

@Burgi but he is still ok?

Burgi

@JourneymanGeek yeah for the most part

just some bad habits i need to clobber out of him

JonasCz

I hope it's okay to drop a question here: I'm trying to format a 500gb drive to exFAT so I can use it between Mac and WIndows (and my linux). First, formatted on linux using mkfs.exfat - turns out that widows doesn't read it. So now trying to format on windows. A little bit of searching seems to indicate that MacOS likes the "Allocation unit size" set to 128kb - however Windows 7 the max it goes to is 64k when creating the volume in diskmgmt. Any ideas ?

Or is OSX happy with any exFat options nowdays ?

Apparently the other option that should work everywhere is to create the partition on OSX, but I don't have that..

user226528

O.o
Did you just say macOS likes the allocation unit size of 128 kB? That's 1/8th of a megabyte! A file whose size is 1 byte would waste 1/8th of a megabyte.

JonasCz

12:04

At least according to this: nickvahalik.com/blog-entry/… That is from 2013 though...

user226528

I just tried 16 kB and macOS seems to be okay with it.

user226528

But a heads up: I created a virtual hard disk. I don't have unused 500 GB disks lying around.

That Brazilian Guy

@Burgi The Canadian Space Agency? 0.o

Burgi

@ThatBrazilianGuy yeah them

;)

Customer Service Agent

JonasCz

Thanks :-) Creating a blank partition in disk management and then formatting it, rather than formatting it from the "create volume" wizard shows all the allocation unit sizes i expect. Huh...

user226528

12:07

@JonasCz This post is saying the opposite of what you just said. It says macOS doesn't like large block sizes. 128 kB was a safe tested value in macOS. Windows, on the other hand formatted it with 16 MB cluster size.

Journeyman Geek

@JonasCz that's odd. windows should be able to read exfat.

MIGHT be windows 7 that dosen't support it.

user226528

@JourneymanGeek Er, it'd be great if you read the whole conversation before chiming in, so that we won't have to re-iterate what is already resolved. Yes, Windows 7 supports it better than Mac.

Journeyman Geek

@EUserNameError other than that exfat is relatively recent

JonasCz

Does using a small block size lead to wasted space if I'm using the disk exclusively for large files ? I.e. more blocks = does the filesystem itself take up more space or does it not work this way ?

user226528

@JonasCz Large blocks lead to waste of space, small blocks lead to loss of speed.

user226528

12:18

But it is all relative.

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user226528

If all your files are bigger than the block sizes, there is no waste of space.

Burgi

@XKCD hehe

user226528

And when I say bigger, I mean significantly bigger. Not, one-byte bigger, which definitely leads to a waste of space.

user226528

The most optimum situation is when the block size is as large as possible AND all your files have a size that is an integer factor of the block size.

user226528

12:21

This rarely occurs. So, we try to opt for a good-enough scenario.

user226528

i.e. one in which the waste of space is negligbile.

user226528

For example, on a disk in which your have nothing but gigabyte-sized files, 128 kB block size is okay.

Burgi

I know scott adams is a TrumpPet but dilbert is still really funny

user226528

Finally, in Windows 7 and Windows Vista, when Shadow Copy or System Restore is enabled, avoid any block size smaller than 16 kB.

user226528

In Windows Server, always avoid any block size smaller than 16 kB. It is a server after all.

JonasCz

12:23

Ok, thanks, that's all very helpful info - I'll probably stick to 128k which I know should work everywhere. Don't really care too much about performance. - this will be a media storage drive.

user226528

Glad to be of help. :)

user226528

AFK

allquixotic

13:08

12:56:06.463 INFO [SeleniumServer.boot] - Welcome to Selenium for Workgroups....

god damn it. it's Selenium version 3.11

why do the devs have to have a sense of humor

bertieb

I saw something somewhere on Meta, to the effect that besides all the rules, policies and community consensuses there is a principle / rule zero that states: if something is obviously useful, it should stay

Journeyman Geek

because that's the only thing that keeps em from flipping out and killing everyone

bertieb

Anyone know what I'm ~~walking~~ talking about? Having trouble finding a citation

Journeyman Geek

@bertieb Never heard of that

bertieb

Hmm, I'm reasonably sure it wasn't a fevered dream

Jeff, or a CM or someone up there who said something along the lines of what I said

Bleh, can't remember if it was MSE or some site Meta

Think I may cook up a MSE post because either: I've imagined it (dam you, fevered dreams) or it's real and worth keeping in the back of one's head

I mean, it wasn't intended for breaking the rules, ducking policy or contradicting consensus; but in exceptional circumstances things could be kept

bwDraco

13:21

tomshardware.com/news/…

djsmiley2k

news just in, I hate everyone.

Just had a mad hour of panic

as dhcp responses started turning up on our external 'unfirewalled' bandwidth

bertieb

@bwDraco More Noctua! This pleases my ears

bwDraco

lol

And I might look into replacing the noisy-as-hell radiator fans on the H100i v2.

The Noctua runs slower than Corsair's fans, so the absolute performance is a bit lower, but the noise level would be vastly lower under all conditions.

bertieb

Seems like a sound choice if the other fans are very noisy

But I am hugely biased (noise dampening case, Noctua/other quiet fans)

While I'm the last one to advocate profligacy, it seems like money well spent (I am under the impression you have invested a fair deal in decent components for your systems)

bwDraco

Then again, my case was not designed for low noise. The intake fans were replaced with NF-A14's, which helped a bit under load, but the main source of noise is now the radiator fans.

It's a high-airflow case with noise being a secondary consideration. They did use hydrodynamic bearings but the aerodynamics are crap.

(Corsair Graphite 760T)

bertieb

13:39

Ah fair enough; if there's a higher priority that's reasonable- but if you could improve noise without compromising flow (as you say) that's a reasonable consideration to make

(I hate noise, especially fan noise)

bwDraco

@bertieb Actually, some $4k was spent on this machine.

pcpartpicker.com/user/FieryDragonLord/saved/pRCqsY

bertieb

@bwDraco I'd say that at least qualifies as a 'invested a fair deal' :P

I'll keep the link in case I win the lottery ;-)

(~£17M this week, it seems)

(£31M for EuroMillions dealie, but that's about 1 in 154 million chance IIRC)

UK lotto used to be around ca 1 in 15 million, but they changed it and now it's around 1 in 45 mil, IIRC

djsmiley2k

If you win the jackpot, can I have 100k?

1 in 14mil previously

Didn't know it'd changed. :/

I still don't know if there's a limit on how many tickets you can buy

As I remember the jackpot being like £45 mil

So if you raised £15~mil, you could have tripled your investment, if no one else won

bertieb

@djsmiley2k IIRC jackpot was capped at a certain point

djsmiley2k

Yeah, that happened too

bertieb

13:50

And that's a heckuva big if

djsmiley2k

The £45 mil while I was at uni.

bertieb

Plus there's the logistics of buying that many tickets

djsmiley2k

errr or 6th form even

yeaaaaaaaaaaaars ago

bertieb

I do STR one that exceeded the "break even" point, as you say

@djsmiley2k It's now 1 to 59, rather than 49

Still 6 balls

(paging /r/nocontext)

djsmiley2k

and the bonus ball?

bertieb

13:52

Errrr, pass

Jackpot doesn't use bonus so dunno

djsmiley2k

:D

bertieb

(which is a bum deal, because if you match 5+bonus you've done the same thing as jackpot really... but I digress)

Ah, EuroMillions is just under 1 in 140 million

for jackpot

Bob

hi

bertieb

Other prizes, who knows

o/ Bob

The idea is to get less winners but with higher jackpots (more people buy when jackpots are higher)

Thinking about it, if less winners but with higher jackpots isn't a damn good metaphor for increasing inequalities, I don't know what is...

That Brazilian Guy

14:08

It irks me that it's so ingrained bthr concept of "winners" regarding society.

It's not a race or a contest!

It should be a collaboration towards common goals

allquixotic

That Brazilian Guy

Like... SE as a community is a tiny microcosm of a society where everyone strives to achieve a common goal (solving problems, learning)

ChatBot John Cavil

Error 404 occured, I will call the maid (@allquixotic)

2

allquixotic

!! s/404/I have no idea why that just happened/

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic Error I have no idea why that just happened occured, I will call the maid (@allquixotic) (source)

Journeyman Geek

14:10

@ThatBrazilianGuy but there's a certain degree of "class" within society here

bwDraco

github.com/allquixotic/SO-ChatBot/pull/7

Journeyman Geek

and apparently an oppressed lower class

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek yes, but the goods are shared equally amongst all the classes.

allquixotic

> 1525356623576 webdriver::server DEBUG <- 404 Not Found {"value":{"error":"unknown command","message":"POST /session/9d4e4ddc-3aa8-4ada-b481-c5bfd34d306e/execute did not match a known command","stacktrace":""}}

Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy well its odd

allquixotic

14:12

so webdriverio attempted to send (via webdriver W3C protocol) to geckodriver the command "execute" and WDIO doesn't know about it

but then it immediately tries /execute/sync and that works

That Brazilian Guy

(I swear I'm not consciously advocating communism)

bertieb

@ThatBrazilianGuy Not conscious? Clearly you're a sleeper agent :P

2

Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy well, its kinda odd

;p

ChatBot John Cavil

Error 404 occured, I will call the maid (@allquixotic)

allquixotic

!!no

ChatBot John Cavil

14:19

bwDraco

(the "I will call the maid" message originally pinged Zirak, who operates the bot where it was originally developed - had to make a pull request to change that to @allquixotic)

allquixotic

I guess until I figure out why WebdriverIO is calling /execute (and silently ignoring the failure, then doing the right thing as /execute/sync) that's going to happen whenever the bot starts. cc @Bob

I updated WDIO, FF and GeckoDriver to the latest versions of each, and cut out the Java middleman :D no more selenium-server-standalone; geckodriver hosts its own WebDriver W3C server that you can directly talk to through WDIO

and moved a metric fuckton of old crap (chromedriver abortive attempts, slimerjs abortive attempts, and the ancient phantomjs stuff) to "old" dirs and cleaned up old scripts etc

sean@cavil:~/dev$ ls
cron.sh  debug-headless.sh  firefox  logs  old  run-headless.sh  SO-ChatBot

sean@cavil:~/dev/SO-ChatBot$ ls
bfg.jar             closure-compiler.jar   COPYING          hub.sh          master.min.js  output.txt    README.md                                  run-headless.config.json.SAMPLE-WEBDRIVER-CHROME   run.sh
bookmarklet-dev.js  compiler-latest.zip.1  debug-chrome.sh  license.txt     node_modules   package.json  run-headless.config.json                   run-headless.config.json.SAMPLE-WEBDRIVER-FIREFOX  source
bookmarklet.js      cookies                debug.sh         loader.user.js  node.sh        pics          run-headless.config.json.SAMPLE            run-h…

so now: (1) start geckodriver; (2) node run-headless-webdriver.js -> WDIO -> localhost:4444/session -> (http) -> geckodriver(v.latest) -> fork & exec FF 59.0.3 with the --headless --profile etc etc args

bwDraco

...and it's final: I've been approved for my first credit card!

allquixotic

that MOZ_HEADLESS env var is no longer needed

and that stupid selenium server that mapped a ridiculous amount of virtual memory (thanks, Java!) is no more

bwDraco

lol

That Brazilian Guy

14:26

@ChatBotJohnCavil Again this maid stuff?

I'm thinking Cavil has an allq-as-an-anime-maid fetish

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy that's just because I restarted it from running in the foreground in ssh to running in a screen session

That Brazilian Guy

No, it's because you don't notice Cavil enough, Senpai!

@bwDraco That's nice. Be responsible, it's a bit tempting to account for the card balance as "extra money" when it very much is not.

Journeyman Geek

hah

bwDraco

Of course.

Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy I tend to think of my (debit) card as a way to pay people over the internet

bwDraco

14:31

It's a secured card - the sort where you have to put down a security deposit to get a credit line. The reason for this is that I have low income and no prior credit history.

That Brazilian Guy

Wait you can do that with a DEBIT card? My life has been a lie.

Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy er...

there's different types

That Brazilian Guy

Just kidding. As far as I can tell, you can't in Brazil.

bwDraco

If I use it responsibly and build good credit, it'll eventually be converted to a normal unsecured card with the security deposit refunded. (Specifically, this is the Discover it Secured card, which earns pretty much the same rewards as the full Discover it Chrome, albeit with a higher interest rate.)

Journeyman Geek

I had one at one point that would only do card payments over the internet

That Brazilian Guy

14:32

I specifically had to get a credit card so I could pay for stuff online.

Journeyman Geek

there's a 30k minimum annual salary requirement for a proper credit card

and I don't really need one

That Brazilian Guy

The huge majority of credit cards charge you a nontrivial yearly sum for its use. I managed to get one of the few that doesn't.

Journeyman Geek

ah that's a thing I need to look at

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek Here they give you credit cards in the equivalent of Walmart

Journeyman Geek

but that's a few years in the future?

bwDraco

14:34

They do soft credit checks each month starting from the 8th billing cycle to determine if you can graduate to an unsecured card.

That Brazilian Guy

In fact yesterday my bank sent me an SMS "your new card is in the mail". I didn't order a new card.

They WANT you to get new cards and spend, spend, spend

Journeyman Geek

but of course

allquixotic

gist.github.com/allquixotic/a2876b33f2a87ee9fc2234b237858ad3 there's a backup of (if you know what you're doing) how to replicate my Cavil setup - of course, you'd have to use another user, as you can't have my Cavil password

bertieb

Whit!

I as a student (ie no income, only loans) have a credit card

Which they keep putting the limit up on, without me asking

bwDraco

I've used a debit card for general spending since who-knows-when. Getting a true credit card is a major milestone for me.

allquixotic

14:43

@bertieb Your new limit is now $900000 with only a 300% APR! Now if you actually spend that much, you'll just have everything you own taken when you declare bankruptcy...

bertieb

@allquixotic Yeah, they seem to put it up more when I am less able to pay

Preeeeettty sure there's laws/regulations/strongly-worded-letters saying "don't do that"

So uh yeah

I did look at 0% balance transfers, but, uh, the ones offering that didn't really want to get involved in a heavily-debted no-income student

Dashed cunning of them, really

allquixotic

Guilty Gear Xrd -SIGN- OST Coming Home

►

djsmiley2k

@ThatBrazilianGuy cept that isn't true...

we all want more points

no one is hoping that SE will surpass 10,billion points or something

rclone looks great, seems like a mature project. Just the solution I was looking for. — steampowered 22 mins ago

woo

+10

bertieb

In Soviet SE, points get you?

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k actually at this point, I don't really care

there's literally nothing past 100k, except maybe another swag pack at 250k

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