Root Access

dev_willis

00:00

i tried booting without the atx12v2, which is the 4-pin by the cpu, and i tried booting with only the 24-pin, but no dice

Michael Frank

There's also an 8pin atx12v someone as well, right?

dev_willis

yes, i've tried with and without it connected

Ramhound

You are positive the motherboard is fully functional?

dev_willis

it's been working fine since nov

Ramhound

With this same power supply or a different power supply?

dev_willis

00:03

recently the power went out so i shut down the pc and turned off the back-ups. when it came back on i powered everything back on but it wouldn't boot. i figured it was probably the psu so i bought a new one with 200 additional watts and when i went to install i noticed the pc was booting again. don't know what changed. i decided to go ahead and put the new psu in and now neither psu will work

Michael Frank

Well, being functional since November doesn't necessarily mean it works now. Can you test either power supply on another board?

dev_willis

not easily. i'll have to see if i can scrounge another board

Ramhound

(The problem with submitting multiple questions surrounding the same topic is you confuse people who read them all), well you thought it was the PSU, but outside of thinking it was the PSU have you used a Power Supply Tester to verify that original power supply was not operational?

Which is something that was suggested to you before.

dev_willis

i don't have one

Ramhound

You need one

dev_willis

00:06

i do have a multimeter

Michael Frank

Did you try the paper clip trick?

dev_willis

i didn't. i was kinda afraid to lol

do the mobo lights lighting up not tell the same story as the paper clip trick? it just determines whether the psu is passing power, right?

my understanding of the paper clip trick is that you can plug up a fan and see if it powers it. is that different from being able to power the LEDs?

Ramhound

A verbal description of the lights are not helpful

dev_willis

i could take a video but that doesn't seem like it would help either

Ramhound

I still suspect the motherboard, the fact two sperate PSU, result in no attempt to POST indicates the motherboard is dead.

dev_willis

00:11

the thing that gives me pause tho is the different behavior of the lights between the two PSUs. makes me wonder if i don't have something hooked up correctly but idk what

really wish asrock would make that information available

Ramhound

You provide the board power, plug in the CPU fan, it isn’t difficult (you can’t plug the wrong cable in the wrong location) and you did it right before

Asrock provides a manual for your board. Looked up numerous ASRock boards in the past

dev_willis

yeah, i've got the manual. i'm sure it's all hooked up right. i wonder if maybe a connector is bad? i guess it's probably time to RMA the board, yeah?

dev_willis

00:36

i'm attempting to get support from asrock

thank you all for your help

bwDraco

03:37

wccftech.com/…

As I understand it, AMD redid the memory and cache subsystems to significantly reduce latency, allowing the processor to perform noticeably better in memory-intensive tasks.

allquixotic

@Bob @FMLCat aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20180417-0

quite unusual for such a thing to happen, and the window being broken suggests the engine's explosion wasn't 100% contained within the cowling

bwDraco

The embargo on the Ryzen 2000 series desktop chips ends in just two days.

Not major improvements, but by all accounts, the new processors represent a meaningful step forward over the previous generation.

allquixotic

@bwDraco 10% is more than Intel can say for many of their recent chip shots

bwDraco

Yup. Intel's gotten stuck at this point. A completely new architecture is going to have more room for optimization, and AMD has indeed addressed the most serious weaknesses with OG Zen.

allquixotic

I wonder if they bothered to fix Spectre in hardware

bwDraco

03:51

Zen+ is more than just clock frequency improvements.

allquixotic

as well as those other issues that Zen apparently has

bwDraco

@allquixotic Unlikely. AMD says they're going to address it in Zen 2.

allquixotic

the "character assassination" type flaws like Ryzenfall

bwDraco

@allquixotic This can be fixed in AGESA updates for the most part.

Bob

@allquixotic coffee/kaby/sky are all the sme uarch

bwDraco

03:52

Besides, they're not truly serious flaws because an attacker would need to already have admin/root access to the machine to exploit them.

Bob

new uarch is due this year iirc

cannon? ice? idk

@bwDraco as everything, depends on context

when you're looking at rented servers (dedicated), one person will have root and that's perfectly fine. if they can plant firmware-level malware for the next customer...

also raises the same question for the second-hand market

bwDraco

Yeah. Your threat model is going to be a big factor.

notebookcheck.net/…

On second thought... it seems AMD might have an IPC edge over Intel. This would be a remarkable achievement for them.

allquixotic

wtf

I haven't heard of AMD having an IPC advantage since, like, since I was in high school

bwDraco

12nm is a minor die shrink allowing for slight clock frequency improvements, but that alone certainly does not explain improvements of this magnitude.

Not in every workload, but everywhere I'm looking, they seem to have gained 5-10% IPC over the previous generation, enough to bridge the gap with Coffee Lake when taken together with the frequency improvements.

For the Ryzen 7 2700X, 4.3 GHz is a single-threaded peak clock frequency. Bear in mind that the i7-8700K can boost to 4.3 GHz on all cores, with peak single-core clocks of up to 4.7 GHz.

Bob

@bwDraco link?

bwDraco

04:05

Also, consider that the review by El Chapuzas Informatico referenced by NotebookCheck has the i7-8700K running with a memory frequency advantage (DDR4-3600).

7 mins ago, by bwDraco

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X-outpaces-the-Intel-Core-i7-8700K‌-in-more-ways-than-one-in-first-benchmarks.296674.0.html

Bob

@bwDraco that has no numbers

bwDraco

See the image gallery at the bottom of the article.

Michael Frank

ha.. last ditch effort! I unsubscribed from email updates to Pinterest, they say it'll take up to 48 hours to process. 2 minutes later, I receive a new email from Pinterest.

Bob

@bwDraco ah. I stopped at the big photo

hm. single core perf does look nice

allquixotic

04:32

@Bob did you see my earlier post about a Southwest Airlines emergency landing with 1 fatality and an engine explosion (mostly contained but blew out a window)?

B737-700 built in 2000, CFM56 engine - nice and modern stuff, typically a very safe, conscientious carrier that cares about maintenance

very similar to an incident with the same airline and aircraft type in 2016

bwDraco

How do pilots stay calm when things like this happen?

I wish I was this calm, no matter what happens.

allquixotic

@bwDraco well, here's the thing: their plane wasn't crashing. They had an upset, where something went wrong, but the situation was absolutely recoverable. When they'd apply control inputs (slow down, speed up, change pitch, change roll) the aircraft would respond. At that point, as a pilot, there's no need for panic; you can fly the plane, land, all is well.

I've heard very sad and unfortunate ATC recordings and CVR recordings of flights that were uncontrollable, and these professional trained pilots were freaking the hell out

so if the aircraft is not able to be controlled, it's human nature to basically scream "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!" - and they do

but as long as you can fly the thing, you focus on that, and everyone lives

bwDraco

@allquixotic lol

But what I hear in most ATC recordings... is awe-inspiring.

From what I've read, you have to be the stoic type to even get through flight school.

Sadly, it's not really in my blood...

allquixotic

well, yeah - you can't lose your cool at the slightest sign that something might be going wrong

you have to diagnose what's wrong and use whatever limited control you have left over the aircraft to try to get it down safely

the only true freak-outs I hear on ATC/CVR is when they try everything and it's no use, the plane is just falling out of the sky

successful emergency landings occur when they have control - that control will calm down a pilot very easily

even if it's not perfect, some control is usually enough to land safely

This airframe, basically identical to the one involved in the SWA emergency landing, safely carried me across the US a couple years ago... m.planespotters.net/airframe/Boeing/737/…

bwDraco

To me, self-control is the holy grail among human skills, and I have long believed that with enough self-control, you can achieve anything.

That's why it matters so much to me.

It's not just in aviation. It's basically everything in life.

Michael Frank

04:49

@allquixotic My aircraft engineer friend said, and I quote "That engine is porked".

bwDraco

in Rational Thinkers, 41 secs ago, by Undo

Stop flagging old stuff

Bob

05:20

@allquixotic got pinged but didn't click through - at work

@allquixotic fatality? was it from the uncontained engine failure?

oof

that's ... ridiculously unlucky

user226528

@DavidPostill Human is not a Helium balloon. Also, what you are talking about is upforce, not downforce. You could have pointed out that an empty Hellium canister weighs more than a full one. But again, a human is no canister either. Also a canister doesn't behave like a balloon.

user226528

05:34

@Burgi You see this kind of situation in the films a lot. Occasionally, the parcel contains explosives intended to kill the neighbor. (And the neighbor goes on a quest to avenge the killed friend; although I don't it makes you feel any better after getting killed.) Also, sometimes, the parcel contains drugs. DEA pours in and arrests the unsuspecting neighbor while the culprit goes to Miami and enjoys ... whatever people enjoy in Miami.

bwDraco

07:13

nyti.ms/2JONoYN

lol

> Planned Outage: April 17, 2018 - December 31, 9999

user226528

No parecen estar experimentando una pantalla azul de la muerte.

bwDraco

!!s/P/Unp/

ChatBot John Cavil

@bwDraco Unplanned Outage: April 17, 2018 - December 31, 9999 (source)

user226528

> This service is unavailable from approximately 2:50 A.M. ET, on Tuesday April 17, 2018 until approximately 6:40 P.M. ET, on Thursday September 22, 2016, due to planned maintenance.

user226528

Please exercise caution while using your time machine; a temporal traffic is expected and is not out of ordinary. Please be patient.

Andy K

07:41

morning

user226528

Oh, good morning! :)

Burgi

morning

wasn't SWA the ones that beat up that doctor and threw him off the plane?

> "All the sudden, it felt like we dropped 100 feet," he said.

surely it would be more than that...

djsmiley2k

08:02

would you know how far tho

10feet, 1000ft, 30000feet///

well, maybe the last one ;D

Burgi

08:35

you remember when the old dev told everyone we didn't need a CMS on this new website?

guess what we need to build now to become compliant with GDPR regulations

djsmiley2k

lol

I'm confused why that would require a CMS

but then again your front end and back end are tightly integrated from what I remember.

Michael Frank

08:51

@djsmiley2k ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Burgi

basically part of GDPR is that you need to allow your end-user access to view all their data and withdraw consent at will without interaction with the data holder

djsmiley2k

without interacting....

ok, that's not what I was told

but I guess I'm in no way involved in that part of things

I understand if it's 'not charging them'

Michael Frank

Man, that GDPR stuff messes with us all the way down here in NZ as well.

djsmiley2k

but not interacting?

@MichaelFrank :)

It's europe testing the wate rfor more 'serious' laws

Michael Frank

We wanted to install a new visitor registration kiosk, cause receptionists are so last century... "NOPE CAUSE GDPR"

djsmiley2k

08:53

if they can do this kind of thing, and countries external to europe accept it, great! :D

Burgi

@djsmiley2k it is so that the user knows for certain that their data has been removed and that the company isn't just lying to them

Michael Frank

What if someone from Europe registers, then the device gets stolen or hacked.

djsmiley2k

@Burgi then someone who wrote the law doesn't understand computers lol

if[deleted==true=]
  return nothing;    ## MUAHAHHA WE STILL HAVE YOUR DATA!
else
  return userdata;
done

You know what, this is one place that using a blockchain, might actually make sense

you could 'give' your data via the blockchain (your own personal chain)

and retract it

every company would then be able to share your data, but it'd be written to your block chain who they shared it to

It doesn't stop data leaks etc

but it gives an auditable trail of where your data has actually 'gone'

Burgi

i think it is so the end-user can't be manipulated into remaining on the system even if they want to leave

djsmiley2k

Right yes

but.... if your company is willing to do that

aren't they just willing to lie about deleting it too?

the fines are the same either way

4% of income or whatever it is

Burgi

08:57

also it reduces the burden on smaller companies who might not have the staff to perform multiple data cleansings

djsmiley2k

Nod

So not so much content management, as user data management

Burgi

yeah but if we had used something like WordPress we could have got that framework to do the heavy lifting on the user management

the way we are having to do it now is roll our own user profile storage system

basically when i lodged my official complaint that as technical lead they were ignoring my advice and it would cause us more harm in the future by making the website static and the data capture contact forms silo'd i was told to STFU and just do it

anyway the long and the short of it is that it has come back and bit us on the arse

we have a meeting this afternoon where i have to say "i told you so" in a polite, business friendly way

ideally without looking too smug

@djsmiley2k > Right to Access. Provide a way for users to request access to, and view the data you have collected from them.

Bob

09:20

hi

Burgi

> Right to be forgotten. Give users a way to withdraw consent and delete personal data collected from them.

Michael Frank

@Burgi That doesn't say without interaction though.

Burgi

true but if you have to give them a platform to view their data that necessitates the need for user profiles and from there it is an easy leap to chuck in a delete button

user226528

@Burgi Hi. :)

user226528

What's this "right to be forgotten"? Part of the new data laws?

user226528

09:26

Actually, NVM. I'll just Google it.

user226528

It reminds me of the courtesy vanishing.

Burgi

@FleetCommand yes

eugdpr.org/key-changes.html

Journeyman Geek

09:39

@Burgi apparently the GDPR has been driving the SO corp DBA to drink, or at least distraction

Burgi

yeah its horrific for huge sites like SE

user226528

@JourneymanGeek Did you mean "brink"?

Burgi

he is drinking on the brink :D

Michael Frank

@FleetCommand Definitely meant drink.

Journeyman Geek

could be to the brink, but I might mean drink. On the brink of drink to drunk?

user226528

09:41

Could you guys please check something for me? This web page has a lot of "Show more" buttons but they don't seem to reveal anything for me. How about you?

Journeyman Geek

@FleetCommand they do nothing for me on vivaldi (which is chrome based)

user226528

I tried three different web browsers and Microsoft Edge. Nada.

Burgi

nothing on FF either

looking at the code it appears there is actually no additional markup to display

user226528

Yeah. I noticed. And no script to fetch them via AJAX.

Burgi

the console is spitting out a load of debug stuff about an advertising platform

user226528

09:48

Yeah. Customer.io or something of the sort. Could it be related?

Burgi

possibly

Michael Frank

@FleetCommand All it does is change the button to "Hide ^"

Michael Frank

10:08

Bleh... I find myself in need of a solution that I'm pretty sure is impossible. :(

TV in the bedroom is now hooked up to my desktop, which the wife can watch on demand television on...

Except I still want to use the main monitor to play games and such.

But audio output is defeating me. :(

Burgi

10:19

chromecast

Michael Frank

Yea, but that requires money. :P

I could probably just plug in a laptop tbh...

Burgi

it plugs into the HDMI port of the TV and she can use her phone/tablet to cast netflix etc to it

@MichaelFrank its only £35

iirc it has free shipping

Michael Frank

Yeeeeaaaa

Burgi

you could get a rescue PC from a skip and use that to do the same job if you want a free alternative

Michael Frank

I never see PCs in skips.

Burgi

10:26

you know what i mean

Michael Frank

Yea, I have plenty of those already.

Buuuut, I don't really want another computer running in this room.

Burgi

chromecast or firestick

your kids can go without food this month if it restores your sanity and marital bliss right?

djsmiley2k

@Burgi Doesn't say 'without contacting you'

@Burgi oh now that sucks.

@MichaelFrank If you come to my house, I'll give you a PC.

@Burgi Also this is good advice

Sadly you can't do 'one on the other' because fu that's why :(

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi done that ;p

Michael Frank

My homeserver for years was a PC I found on the side of the road.

Ave

10:42

my homeserver is an orange pi zero

though I might get a BL460c G6 or a DL380 G5 in a couple days

Burgi

i don't have a need for a home server

Michael Frank

Okay, Chromecast has been ordered!

Ave

my vpses and dedis started to cost too much

Michael Frank

I think I have a DL380 or maybe a 385 sitting in the garage...

Burgi

> How should the information be provided?

You must verify the identity of the person making the request, using ‘reasonable means’.

If the request is made electronically, you should provide the information in a commonly used electronic format.

Michael Frank

10:50

Yea, I have a 385 G5p and a Fujitsu RX200 S6 that doesn't boot. :(

Burgi

source

Michael Frank

@Burgi mp3? :P

Burgi

lol

Ave

I have no idea what to put on the server tbh

Burgi

yeah we will get siri to read out your data for you

Ave

10:51

tempted to do proxmox or just plain arch

Michael Frank

That's my issue, also... they're really loud. :|

Ave

Good

now I can sleep even less

user226528

!!s /which the/on which the/

ChatBot John Cavil

@FleetCommand That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: su

Burgi

> Alexa, what data do you hold on me?

user226528

10:53

Oh, well.

user226528

!!help

ChatBot John Cavil

@FleetCommand Information on interacting with me can be found at this page

user226528

!!/listcommands

Ave

also electricity bills may be a problem for me

ChatBot John Cavil

@FleetCommand help, afk, awsm, ban, color, convert, define, die, doge, domain, eval, export, findcommand, forget, forgetseen, github, google, hang, imdb, import, info, inhistory, jquery, learn, listcommands, listen, live, mdn, meme, moustache, mustache, norris, nudge, parse, refresh, spec, stat, stats, tell, timer, todo, unban, undo, unonebox, user, weather, wiki, xkcd, youtube, zalgo, 65wat, ;), ;p, \/s*, adminspotting, after5, ahh, ahhfire, apumpkin, areyoukidding, baaaaat, bababababat
bankerror, bankey, baroo, bearhello, beatingbloodoutofarockwithahalberd, bespecific, betterrickroll, bii…

Ave

10:54

don't think that it'll cost me more than my dedis tho, which are approaching 200try/mo atm

Michael Frank

@FleetCommand I think it might fail if you try and correct something too far back in the transcript.

user226528

Oh, well. This bot hardly useful and anytime I find some clever, practical or subversive (😉) use for it, I can't handle the thing.

user226528

Might as well go back to what I do best: "Making money, date women, dominating the world"

Burgi

!!beatingbloodoutofarockwithahalberd

ChatBot John Cavil

Burgi

10:56

i see...

Michael Frank

!!taytayboom

ChatBot John Cavil

DavidPostill

@Burgi That's pretty much the same as a SAR in the current regulations, no? And you can charge for it "Organisations may charge a fee of up to £10" - with the added complication is that you have to delete it on request.

Deletion will cause havoc on our current systems as every note on a customer account will have to be deleted. And may be incompatible with current regulations that state we have to keep data available for when a customer makes a complaint to OFGEM :/

djsmiley2k

@Burgi hahah send them a jpg

so they can'y copy/pasteit anywhere

DavidPostill

@djsmiley2k Better still uuencoded :)

Burgi

11:00

@DavidPostill that is allowed according to the ICO

> What should we do about data that records a disputed opinion?

It is also complex if the data in question records an opinion. Opinions are, by their very nature, subjective, and it can be difficult to conclude that the record of an opinion is inaccurate. As long as the record shows clearly that the information is an opinion and, where appropriate, whose opinion it is, it may be difficult to say that it is inaccurate and needs to be rectified.

DavidPostill

@Burgi ? That we can delete it? Or that we have to keep it?

Burgi

you can keep it

i think

djsmiley2k

:D

It's allowed, when it's allowed.

Simples.

Burgi

i've had no training on GDPR and have only made assumptions based on what I have read

user226528

@djsmiley2k You do know that OCR has been invented already, right?

DavidPostill

11:02

@Burgi So that means we have to keep everything in case the customer wishes to make a future complaint that may be deadlocked and go to the Ombudsman ...

djsmiley2k

As you're not the data controller for your company, nothing much to worry about

@FleetCommand oh sure

but average consumer has no clue :D

user226528

Hmm. Devious.

djsmiley2k

@DavidPostill And so it begins :)

As I said, companies will find ways that have a 'business requirement' to keep data

Burgi

@djsmiley2k i think i might be as the lead dev

DavidPostill

Do we have to delete all meter readings? :) Then we can't bill customers ...

user226528

11:03

Once, I used the word "devious" to mean "what a dev does".

djsmiley2k

@Burgi I doubt it.

Oh, seems like not everyone needs a DPO

Michael Frank

@Burgi Unless you're responsible for the drives the data is stored on, probably not?

djsmiley2k

@DavidPostill :)

> ☐ We have published the contact details of the DPO and communicated them to the ICO.

Ask the ICO if you're the DPO? :D

Burgi

what if i want the ICO to delete the record of me being the DPO? ;)

djsmiley2k

:)

DavidPostill

11:07

@Burgi Are you the chicken or the egg? ;)

Burgi

@DavidPostill i'm the stone that thinks its an egg

Michael Frank

This stone?

!!beatingbloodoutofarockwithahalberd

ChatBot John Cavil

Burgi

> When does the right to erasure not apply?

The right to erasure does not apply if processing is necessary for one of the following reasons:
to comply with a legal obligation;
for the establishment, exercise or defence of legal claims.

djsmiley2k

So, if I want to protect my company against being sued for holding customer data, I need to hold the customer data showing they granted me permission to hold it, even after they request I delete it, because if I delete it, i can't prove they gave me permission in the first place?

Burgi

11:19

erm....?

djsmiley2k

@Burgi what do you mean I need a lawyer?

Didn't they come up with these rules?

they came up with these unclear rules and now expect us to pay them to help us migrate them?!

:O

allquixotic

11:36

> The National Transportation Safety Board said a preliminary look at the engine shows one of its 24 fan blades was missing.

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k yup

@Ave .... wouldn't a blade server need a chassis?

Ave

not exactly

It's not so much a "need" but more of a "makes your life easier but costs a ton"

Journeyman Geek

I actually think in this day and age, for most people a NUC class machine's close to 'perfect' for a home server

Speaking of things that are not really needed...

aliexpress.com/item/…

I kinda want one of these ;p

Ave

thing is

NUC is too expensive

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Ave

11:44

there's a reason I'm going with a decade old server

Journeyman Geek

oh right :(

Ave

because 1) it's available for reasonable prices, and I'm broke due to many many reasons 2) it can beat NUCs easily, in both power and power consumption

Journeyman Geek

"in power consumption" I am doubtful

The rest.... ah ya

Ave

by beat I mean in a negative way

Journeyman Geek

ah

RogUE

12:07

@djsmiley2k I added another entry with the same command in the Application shortcuts.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob @allquixotic arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/04/…

RogUE

now, the whisker menu opens with either Win key, but another key involving the Super key does not work.

I mean 'other shortcuts involving Super key does not work'.

RogUE

12:26

amazon.com/Dell-Multimedia-Keyboard-Removable-Palmrest/dp/…

^^Is that keyboard worth $50?

DavidPostill

@RogUE It's worth exactly what people are willing to pay for it :)

Journeyman Geek

probably not

Its not even the 'nice' dell keyboard

arstechnica.com/science/2018/04/…

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek ~6Tb of storage plz

:/

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k lol

I don't have that much on any one box ;p

djsmiley2k

too many jokes in that to take it seriously @JourneymanGeek :(

RogUE

12:35

I have got the exact keyboard with me, got it as a replacement for my Desktop.

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k gizmodo.com/… moar serious

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek sure he wasn't just stabbed to death?

RogUE

It has got two usb ports, which are not that useful. You can connect a low power usb device and that's it.

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k or wandered around bars showing it off...

djsmiley2k

still

funky.

Burgi

12:53

Pikes Peak International Hill Climb 2013 - 208 T16 Pikes Peak - Full Onboard Run HD - Sébastien Loeb

►

Transcript for