Root Access

allquixotic

12:00 AM

@Bob none of that involves a hypervisor

That Brazilian Guy

@MichaelFrank Link?

allquixotic

Anbox is a container that runs on the native OS kernel

Bob

@MichaelFrank ah, yes. "HD" as in 720p and not 1080p. I bet most people still get tripped up by that.

FML Cat

@Bob There's DCI 2K (a formal standard) and colloquial 2K ("any resolution with a horizontal pixel count in the region of 2,000")

Michael Frank

@ThatBrazilianGuy github.com/matiasinsaurralde/facebook-tunnel

There's that one, I'm not sure if it's the one though.

FML Cat

12:01 AM

Review sites that call 2560x1440 "2K" still bug the hell out of me

allquixotic

ideally I want a single programming language I can use for all those platforms, but I'm not sure if Xamarin will be able to call the Spotify APIs uniformly on Android and iOS -- if it will I can use C# for the app

FML Cat

But after posting five pages of rants in the comments on each and every article for a year they seem to have stopped doing that now

allquixotic

then the task boils down to running the Android app somehow on Windows/Linux

That Brazilian Guy

@MichaelFrank 1K+ stars, sounds promising. I'll try to implement it.

FML Cat

> The January security patch might clash with your AV program and prevent your machine from starting. However, Microsoft is only offering the Windows security updates released on 3rd January 2018 to devices running anti-virus software from partners who have confirmed their software is compatible with the January 2018 Windows operating system security update.

Lmao

Bob

12:02 AM

@FMLCat have they started calling it "2.5k" yet?

Michael Frank

@ThatBrazilianGuy It's pretty stale, last updated 4 years ago.

That Brazilian Guy

Yeah =/

Bob

@allquixotic

> upcoming embedded libraries for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux

FML Cat

@Bob 2.5K is... acceptable. It's funny because it's closer to 3K than it is to 2K

That Brazilian Guy

> TODO

Finish the client.

FML Cat

12:03 AM

But again, DCI 2K, 4K, 8K, etc. are formal standards that most people using the term are not referring to when using it

That Brazilian Guy

:(

FML Cat

!!s/Finish the client/cat/

ChatBot John Cavil

@FMLCat TODO cat. (source)

allquixotic

@Bob they've been upcoming since about 2012, not even kidding

Bob

@Michcioperz Hi Michał! The new Web Playback SDK is a library for playback in the web. We still know there's demand for playback in other situations including native/embedded devices, we promise we haven't forgotten! No announcements to make right now though.

Tweeted by SpotifyPlatform on January 5, 2018 at 10:25 AM in reply to Michcioperz

allquixotic

12:10 AM

@Bob they're probably figuring out how to do the DRM so you can't get access to the raw PCM bits like their current libraries allow

Bob

@allquixotic Ahhhh yes... lemme just loopback my VAC/pulseaudio

oh, I can't do that? DRM, you say? lemme just get one of those loopback USB audio devices

oh, can't do that either? brb, grabbing a TOSLINK cable and adapter

allquixotic

@Bob on Windows they might actually use a secure audio path that prevents you from doing that, but on desktop Linux I doubt any vendor (even Canonical) would support that

Bob

what, no TOSLINK? welp, guess there's nothing I can ... wait, is that a 3.5mm cable with two male ends?

allquixotic

@Bob true; it's an arms race, and they're dumb to try it, because determined people can always easily buy hardware that bypasses whatever they're doing (even mandatory encrypted HDMI audio) but they'll try it anyway

Bob

ooh, a line in port

allquixotic

12:13 AM

also that makes it inconvenient for honest people who just want to implement rbpitch for spotify on all platforms :/

Bob

@allquixotic I don't think Windows supports any secure audio path

Even all the attempts at secure video have been easily bypassed

and video is relatively limited in the first place

there's just so many possible audio devices

BT, USB, <custom driver>

and no one's dropping ol' analog 3.5mm to require powered headphones... except Apple and Google and Motorola ... we're fucked

3

allquixotic

lol

well BT isn't yet DRM'ed and the big sell right now is Bluetooth for mobile audio at least

avhub.com.au/news/sound-image/what-is-bluetooth-5-444083

I love how the 2,822 page spec of BT5 doesn't mention "Stereo" even once

obviously they care little for audio in the Bluetooth SIG

Bob

@allquixotic whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

444 metres for class 3?????????

4.3km for class 1?!

maybe if your laptop was on the ISS...

Michael Frank

12:31 AM

Wait... how do they figure that?

allquixotic

@MichaelFrank through some BS formula - the theoretical range is probably in a vacuum

FML Cat

@Bob Class 1 is 100mW, same as 2.4Ghz WiFi. 4.3km range isn't that much of a stretch under ideal conditions.

I've had >800m links under real life conditions in the middle of a large city with 100mW 2.4Ghz WiFi devices.

allquixotic

@FMLCat meanwhile the real world is far from "ideal" and it's a feat when we get 0.5km

FML Cat

@allquixotic Standard friis path loss formula probably. Because there's no tangible difference between vacuum and air except at a few certain frequencies.

@allquixotic Wasn't a feat to get 800m+ and that was with cheap $5 routers and inner-city interference

allquixotic

@FMLCat going through building walls?

FML Cat

12:43 AM

But that's the whole point, 2.4Ghz IRL is a very very suboptimal band to be playing in and you'll never get near the max theoretical range by nature of the band, not the technology

allquixotic

and at what speeds?

FML Cat

LTE on a mobile phone uses a similar amount of transmit power (typically) as a standard 2.4Ghz WiFi router, and users are used to far far greater ranges because it has far less sub-optimal spectrum management (and many other reasons) but it doesn't mean the theoretical formulas are in any way incorrect for WiFi or other bands

allquixotic

@FMLCat one of the big advantages of LTE's bands is they're licensed, so you can't just go spewing EM out of your noisy AC motor in the LTE band

but you can spew 2.4 GHz all you want

FML Cat

Basically the theoretical transmission range formula for LTE and WiFi or Bluetooth is exactly the same but you get much closer to the formula's result with one than the other - that's because of the conditions they're used in, not because it's a "BS formula"

@allquixotic And that's why it's clearly described as maximum theoretical range and not real-world, where manufacturers quote the typical 10m/100m.

Sadly the link to the original white paper doesn't work so I can't see what exactly they used but meh. It's a realistic figure given what I know about free space radio propagation.

allquixotic

@FMLCat it may be a scientifically valid formula, but it's BS to use the formula in a marketing context or even when communicating to engineers and product developers about the advantages of Bluetooth and the amazing amounts of range we have to play with

> A wildly optimistic white paper released by the SIG “debunks” the ‘myth’ that Bluetooth range is only 10 metres, though admitting that this is often the case, because manufacturers build them to be that way.

"That 10m stuff is horseshit; with a 100 mW TX power in your earbuds and a meter long Yagi antenna, you can get 800 meters range on Bluetooth in the inner city!"

(oh and about 10 minutes of battery life)

FML Cat

12:56 AM

@allquixotic I'd hardly call a white paper that clearly states "theoretical maximum" and "hardly ever achievable in the real world" as "marketing", misleading or otherwise.

allquixotic

In real world scenarios, especially with BT devices that have a tendency to move around with respect to one another, most of the antennas will be more or less omnidirectional, so you won't get that full 100 mW of TX power pointed like a laser beam at your target

beamforming BT would be cool, but I haven't heard of that even with BT5

FML Cat

> The Laws of Physics vs. Urban Legend
The range of Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, or any other wireless communication is defined by
physics as a function of the distance between the transmitter and the receiver.
Of course, the strength of the signal’s transmit and receive power, as defined
by Bluetooth power classes, is also part of the equation. The strength of the
transmitted signal determines the distance that data packets can be transmitted,
and the sensitivity of the receiver defines the minimum signal strength that can

That's what the text of the paper actually says

I see nothing BS about it. It uses the industry standard Friis path loss equation used in all RF engineering.

> The Bluetooth
SIG’s Martin Woolley
installed a micro:bit in a
toy car that he controlled
with a smartphone app.
While driving the car away
from him, he realized
he was still controlling
it—even though it was
nearly out of sight at
about 40 meters away.
Curious to see the actual
range, Martin undertook
another test at a local
park. Using a GPS sports
watch and the micro:bit's
accelerometer function,
Martin was able to
measure the distance as
he paced away from the
micro:bit. At 225 meters
according to GPS, Martin

Case study from the article, apparently someone achieved 225m+ range, but nobody claims that's typical or realistic. Nor is it used in any sort of marketing context.

And I've personally used fairly generic Bluetooth class 2 devices at over 40m distance, going from one end of a train to the other, and even stepping outside of the train.

allquixotic

@FMLCat I'm not saying the math of the equation is wrong; in a moment of weakness about 20 minutes ago I had an emotional reaction to what seemed an outrageous statement because I consider myself lucky to get 20m distance with a Class 1 device in pretty much any environment I've ever used, including with my latest equipment... just let it rest already; that wasn't an argument I'm interested in whining about anyway :P

my legitimate whine about BT is (1) the lack of a standard codec that's better than SBC (hey, what about the royalty-free, low-latency, better-than-MP3-compression Opus? gee...) and (2) lack of simultaneous high-quality stereo and mic capture without either violating the spec or doing something that literally nobody supports, which is to do some sort of "dual mode" thing where you're using HSP for mic capture at the same time as A2DP

range, meh... I've met my range goals with Class 1 devices by now; further would just be gravy

FML Cat

@allquixotic As is often the case, third party sources blow things out of context. The SIG white paper merely debunks the 10m maximum range "myth". The 10m is a marketing figure. They simply wanted to illustrate to technically minded individuals it is not a technology limit.

Apparently Class 1 doesn't actually mean 100mW though.

Apparently Class 1 means 10mW minimum as much as it means 100mW maximum.

And class 2 is 2.5mW - but that may be BLE specific

allquixotic

without observability or specs, I have no idea if my devices are using BLE or Bluetooth Classic aka BT 3.0

or even that variant of BT 3.0 that uses 802.11 (wifi) for the data tunnel

FML Cat

1:10 AM

> It’s important to note that
Class 1 devices (at the 20dBm level) are permitted in countries that reference FCC
requirements, which means not yet in Europe.

Huh.

allquixotic

@FMLCat what about the UK? apparently you guys aren't Europe anymore :P

(or never were, idk)

FML Cat

@allquixotic That's the EU you're thinking of, not Europe. And we're still in it, for another two years

allquixotic

I know, and I know; I was kidding :)

s'long as you're in the EU you still probably have the standard EU radio regulations I assume

FML Cat

Apparently the government's plan is to copy all EU law into UK law on the day of Brexit but they've already managed to fuck that up, and it's not even happening for another few y ears.

allquixotic

brilliant!

FML Cat

1:14 AM

> We only need to look closely to see where this fairy tale originated. Many devices
that use Bluetooth today are designed for a fairly short range of about 10 meters.
But this isn’t due to any intrinsic limitation of Bluetooth technology—any more than
Santa Claus is limited by the size (or presence) of a chimney. The range of these
applications is a design choice, made by the device developers.

Umm, I'm not sure if they're saying Santa Claus is or isn't limited by the size of a chimney

allquixotic

sounds very Governmental, judging from what we get in the US and Australia lately (Bob and I have been complaining about our respective governments)

FML Cat

Personally I'm pro-chimney

Urgh, gotta sleep. Police coming in the morning to question me about a friend's rapey ex

allquixotic

@FMLCat that makes it sound like manufacturers are deliberately limiting the range just to be mean; which would be true if they're not taking the maximum certified TX power without being limited by a battery, but if they are, suboptimal range could come from perfectly understandable sources like wanting omnidirectional antennas rather than a highly focused directional one, or battery life concerns at max TX power

my solution would be to have a huge battery, but oh noes, the Altar of Thin

FML Cat

I don't like police, and I don't like rapey people

allquixotic

FML Cat

1:20 AM

Bad... bluetooth caller? :-P

allquixotic

RX 580 -> Akitio Node -> AMD XConnect -> Alienware 13 R3

Journeyman Geek

0_0

FML Cat

@allquixotic Damn

allquixotic

that's what I got when turning on the akitio

Journeyman Geek

ah ;p

I blame the driver

FML Cat

1:21 AM

Cause an OLED Alienware 13 R3 and eGPU was going to be the solution to all my shitty display problems :-(

Journeyman Geek

hah, just dont' drop it 0_0

allquixotic

@FMLCat might be the AMD driver; the internal GTX 1060 and the Nvidia driver that's loaded into the kernel might be happier with an external Nvidia card

Journeyman Geek

then you have spreading dead pixels

allquixotic

FWIW it worked on reboot when cold-plugged

Journeyman Geek

oh yeah, just for shits and giggles... how hard is it to remove the glass from a phone screen if you don't care about the display panel and digitiser?

allquixotic

1:23 AM

just don't go looking to hotplug a recent AMD card after booting up on the 1060

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic could be hot plugging freakery?

FML Cat

@JourneymanGeek Depends if the glass is glued, fused or not at all attached to the phone screen

Journeyman Geek

@FMLCat ah, I have no idea

I'll find out soon

bwDraco

1:37 AM

@allquixotic Driver problems?

Bob

2:02 AM

@JourneymanGeek how good are you with a hammer? :P

@FMLCat I knew theoretical was going to be higher than practical, but I didn't think it'd be that much higher.

Though I thought the theoretical figures assumed omnidirectional.

bwDraco

...odd. My motherboard's chipset heatsink, but not the M.2 heatsink that sits on top of it, is rather warm, reading 120 °F on my thermal imager.

Not excessive (that's 50 °C), but that is a bit odd to me.

Bob

2:18 AM

oh my god

0

Q: CPU threads not being used

I recently got a new Thinkpad T570. I'm running Fedora 27. It has a i7-7600U processor that should have 2 cores and 4 thread according to Intel (https://ark.intel.com/products/97466/Intel-Core-i7-7600U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz). However, when I run lscpu it shows 2 cores and 2 threads. ...

I can't believe I'm actually arguing with this guy in the comments.

How on earth...

bwDraco

Bleh, went ahead and answered the question.

Bob

I didn't think that question was even worthy of an answer.

It's a simple misreading of the output.

Except somehow it evolved into a misreading of the specs.

@bwDraco Read all the comments.

Your answer doesn't address the actual reason this guy is confused.

bwDraco

Yes, I did.

Wait, what? Quad-core laptop processors have been around as far back as the Core 2 days, and 4C/8T mobile processors have existed since Nehalem. — bwDraco 4 mins ago

Bob

2:43 AM

@JourneymanGeek And today on weird stuff you see on IPS, we have interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/8994 (mildly NSFW?)

bwDraco

amd.com/en/corporate/speculative-execution

Updated with a word from Mark Papermaster.

bwDraco

3:21 AM

le sigh

A vertical blind slat just broke on me.

Time to order replacements...

Michael Frank

4:26 AM

@Bob I had that discussion with my family last night after I saw that question. Most answers were "Uhh... No." or "Oh, hell no!"

Bob

FUCK. OFF. SYMANTEC.

Michael Frank

> Are you sure?

Bob

piece of shit just straight up deleted a file it "detected" with its fancy "machine learning" bullshit. no warning.

I am certain, beyond any doubt, that Symantec is more of a piece of malware than the file it deleted.

Said file being a Mozilla regression testing tool.

allquixotic

> - Update RST 15.9
- Improve memory compatibility.
- Update CPU Microcode.

> 7B44v12

BIOS update for my Z370M

> [Below information is Chinese language]

A. AMI BIOS ¥¿¦¡µo¦æ

B. ¦¹ª©¥»×¥¿¤U¦C°ÝÃD:
- §ó·s RST 15.9
- §ïµ½°O¾ÐÅé¬Û®e©Ê
- §ó·s CPU Microcode

C. §ó·s¤é´Á: ¤½¤¸2017¦~12¤ë25¸¹

that doesn't look very Chinese to me :)

bwDraco

4:41 AM

That's BIG5 encoding.

Via toolswebtop.com/text/process/decode/big-5 (select UTF8 for the target encoding):

> A. AMI BIOS 瞼聶礎癒繕o礎疆

B. 礎繒穠穢瞼罈簫?瞼聶瞻U礎C簞??D:
- 禮籀繚s RST 15.9
- 禮簿繕翻簞O職??矇竅?簧e穢?
- 禮籀繚s CPU Microcode

C. 禮籀繚s瞻矇織?: 瞻翻瞻繡2017礎~12瞻禱25繡繒

Didn't decode cleanly, hang on...

(some characters failed to parse)

Michael Frank

@allquixotic MSI? I wonder if my MSI board got an update...

> Version
7B49v12
Release Date
2017-12-25
File Size
6.76 MB

Description
- Update RST 15.9
- Improve memory compatibility.
- Update CPU Microcode.

Yes?!

bwDraco

Google Translate returns nonsensical text.

It's not GB18030, either.

Are you missing characters?

allquixotic

@MichaelFrank I like how their BIOS updates that came out in the second week of January are marked as being released on christmas

bwDraco

@allquixotic, are you able to identify the encoding they used in this text?

allquixotic

NP++ renders it as

> A. AMI BIOS 正式發行

B. 此版本修正下列問題:
- 更新 RST 15.9
- 改善記憶體相容性
- 更新 CPU Microcode

C. 更新日期: 公元2017年12月25號

bwDraco

4:50 AM

Much better.

Bob

> Papaya whip is a representation of the color that would result if mashed papayas were blended with vanilla ice cream, whipped cream, or yogurt.

bwDraco

> B. This version fixes the following issues:
- Update RST 15.9
- Improve memory compatibility
- Update CPU Microcode

@allquixotic Big5? GB18030?

Michael Frank

@allquixotic Yea, not sure how to rationalise that tbh.

bwDraco

My guess is GB, but what did Notepad++ return?

allquixotic

@bwDraco it's in a file with other English text so I have no idea

it says OEM 865 : Nordic

bwDraco

4:52 AM

Wat.

Michael Frank

lol

bwDraco

CP865 makes no sense here.

allquixotic

well it translates successfully

> AMI BIOS official release

B. This version fixes the following issues:
- Update RST 15.9
- Improve memory compatibility
- Update CPU Microcode

C. Date of renovation: December 25, 2017 AD

nice of them to specify that the release of the BIOS came out AD, rather than all those old BC BIOS updates

Michael Frank

Keeps getting better...

bwDraco

BIOS patch notes are always fun to read.

Aug 16 '17 at 3:58, by bwDraco

> Summary of Changes
Where: < > Package version
UEFI: UEFI BIOS version
ECP: Embedded Controller Program version
[Important] Important update
(New) New function or enhancement
(Fix) Correction to existing function

<5.9>
UEFI: 5.9/ECP: 2.8
[Important updates]
N/A

[New functions or enhancements]
N/A

[Problem fixes]
1. Copy the OBB region from SPI to memory to reduce the POST time

ECP fixed:
N/A

<5.7>
UEFI: 5.7/ECP: 2.8
[Important updates]
1. Modify the eMMC Max Speed to SDR25 during POST

(click through for full text; this is for a Lenovo laptop)

Michael Frank

4:56 AM

brb updating BIOS

bwDraco

Nothing yet from ASUS for my board.

asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-CROSSHAIR-VI-EXTREME/HelpDesk_BIOS

Michael Frank

Welp... Apparently I'm bad at creating bootUSBs on Linux. D:

Bob

@bwDraco Mine got one 3 days ago

I'll probably not install it for a while though

> MAXIMUS IX CODE BIOS 1203
Improved DRAM compatibility.
Fixed SAMSUNG M.2 device issue.
Fixed SanDisk M.2 device issue.
Fixed AMD SSD device issue.
Fixed SteelSeries Keyboard issue.
Update CPU MicroCode.

Michael Frank

5:08 AM

Yea... I can't figure out how to write this ISO as bootable. shrug

allquixotic

ISO? USB? oh. Linux.

Bob

@MichaelFrank dd

Michael Frank

5:25 AM

I did dd

XKCD

And to you, I leave my life-sized ice sculpture replica of the PietÃ which was blessed by the Pope. You must never let it melt! Now, remember, all gifts must be removed from my estate within 24 hours.

bwDraco

6:30 AM

Jul 21 '17 at 2:11, by bwDraco

Of note is that the Intel HEDT boards tend to get extremely expensive. The R5E was $540 at launch. R6E pricing has not been announced but I think it'll be in the ballpark of $600.

...looked it up - the Rampage VI Extreme is $650 o_O

I mean, WTF?

(ASUS ROG uses Rampage to designate Intel HEDT boards)

allquixotic

6:47 AM

do they have more lanes? more heatpipes? a more expensive PCH?

come to think of it the PCH probably is more expensive; I wonder how much of that higher cost is driven by Intel price sheets for PCHes

pcworld.com/article/3213147/computers/…

Threadripper mobos, basically AMD's HEDT equivalent, are $340 - $550

they don't make any (at least, any that were reviewed in that mobo roundup article) that sell for $650

user226528

@XKCD A foucault pendulum never stops anyway.

user226528

I remember our university. The physics students installed one at the nearest places where there was a very high ceiling: the school of humanities and linguistics. Left at the mercy of students who didn't care for its significance, someone somehow managed to make it stop.

ChatBot John Cavil

HAMMERTIME!

user226528

O.o

user226528

Unprovoked bot response?

user226528

6:58 AM

Perhaps the robot uprising is nigh.

allquixotic

@FleetCommand there's code in the bot to interpret certain words, such as the English word s t o p or equivalent words in a few other languages (like Latin), and react to it

I think it originated from the JavaScript room having to frequently tell people to "please stop" pasting their code into the chatroom

user226528

Let me see: "Someone stop that vampire cat!"

allquixotic

it won't work now because his most recent message is the same; and the chat server eats multiple identical messages in sequence

!!info

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic I awoke on Fri, 22 Sep 2017 16:43:07 GMT (that's about 3 months ago), got invoked 426 times, learned 15 commands

allquixotic

stop

ChatBot John Cavil

7:01 AM

HAMMERTIME!

user226528

IC

allquixotic

stahp

ChatBot John Cavil

HAMMAHTIME!

Bob

7:14 AM

@ChatBotJohnCavil 3 months? \o/

@allquixotic I guess ff headless is stable? :D

halt

HAMMERZEIT!

sistite

MALLEUS TEMPUS!

user226528

7:29 AM

We had a Malleus Fatorum in Wikipedia

user226528

Also, there is an infamous book called Malleus Maleficarum.

user226528

And in Diablo II, there was a Horadric Malleus.

user226528

It appears the bot doesn't react to "stops" (third person).

Bob

7:43 AM

@FleetCommand It's only listening for one of the trigger words at the very end of a message.

stoy

ChatBot John Cavil

ZABIVAT' VREMYA!

bwDraco

8:55 AM

github.com/allquixotic/SO-ChatBot/blob/master/source/plugins/…

var hammers = {
    STOP: 'HAMMERTIME!',
    STAHP: 'HAMMAHTIME!',
    HALT: 'HAMMERZEIT!',
    STOY: 'ZABIVAT\' VREMYA!',
    SISTITE: 'MALLEUS TEMPUS!'
};

I kinda think "sistite" should actually be "siste".

Burgi

9:22 AM

morning

djsmiley2k

morning

still ill, and now a broken dishwasher D:

Bob

o.O

did it catch fire

Burgi

is your wife on strike? ducks

djsmiley2k

;)

lol, nah drainage pump not working

prob because wife seems to think that sweetcorn is water soluable

now she's gone out with 2.0 and i'm with 2.1

he's cute tho so i lefth im off

he's currently drawing on one o those magnetic pen things

singing his sisters name over nad over

bertieb

@djsmiley2k My dishwasher leaked overnight, I walked into my kitchen this morning an it went squish squish squish

djsmiley2k

9:32 AM

:<

we have laminate floor, that'd be Baaaaaaad

bertieb

The floor surface was dry, so it's in the underlay

lol yes!

djsmiley2k

:<

derprrp

we had laminate at wifes old parents house

and there was a leak once which.... wrecked everything :/

bertieb

Oh dear

This does not fill me with confidence

Currently using newspapers under the cabinets (where I can get at the concrete) to try and draw out the water (occasionally walking on the floor to 'squeeze out' what is there)

Also have a dehumidifier running

Journeyman Geek

whoot, hotel wifi.

bertieb

Normally lives in the garage "just in case", this is the first time I've had it running

djsmiley2k

9:36 AM

@bertieb tbh they kinda just ignored it

bertieb

@JourneymanGeek No more need to tether? \o/

djsmiley2k

i think if you can dry it out... gently you might be ok?

bertieb

@djsmiley2k Ahhh, well, here's hoping!

djsmiley2k

wb to the 1st world @JourneymanGeek :D

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I want to break everything but the glass.

bertieb

9:36 AM

Can't really afford to redo kitchen :S

Journeyman Geek

@bertieb just today

djsmiley2k

@bertieb i'd google to see if there's anything else that can help?

bertieb

@djsmiley2k I have a bag of cat litter which I feel could be of some use

Or could go buy a cash 'n' carry-worth's bag of rice

djsmiley2k

I was going to suggest salt, but that likely would be cheaper

bertieb

But then the issue is dealing with the things used to soak up moisture

Journeyman Geek

9:37 AM

just make sure its not the organic stuff, if your dishwasher is radio active

kitty litter makes more sense than rice

bertieb

It's a bit of a Bolivian tree lizard problem

Bolivian Tree Lizard cleanup plan

►

No idea if the litter is radioactive, it came from Lidl

I don't actually have a cat

Got it for a cat litter sock thing for the car

djsmiley2k

what i'm seeing basically suggests you pull up the flooring

Journeyman Geek

@Bob 0_0

djsmiley2k

to dry it asap before any more water is aborbed

bertieb

@djsmiley2k Probably a good idea. Or a question on DIY SE ...

@djsmiley2k I would do that if I could pull the floor up, but I don't think I can do that

djsmiley2k

9:40 AM

is it laminate, engineered hardwood, or full on hardwood?

bertieb

Errr

It's laminate with some kind of board in it

Burgi

@bertieb you can bake salt to dry it out

bertieb

From Howdens, if that means anything to anyone

@Burgi Bake salt?

djsmiley2k

sticking it in the oven

Burgi

yeah on a low heat

djsmiley2k

9:42 AM

chipboard @bertieb?

warning, salt can get incredibly hot and remain 'normal' looking

bertieb

@djsmiley2k Oh gosh I hope not, that stuff does terribly with moistuire

Bob

@JourneymanGeek veeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry carefully

bertieb

AIUI

Ah right gotcha

Do that in addition to the dehumidifier?

Burgi

i used to use salt in my old car to soak up the moisture in the air so the seats wouldn't go mouldy

djsmiley2k

nod

or just chuck the salt after

as heating it in the oven will release moisture into the air again

but really, pulling up the boards is your only chance it seems :/

Burgi

9:43 AM

or use it to grit the path

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I have a VERY small hammer

bertieb

It's just without being able to lift the floor itself I don't know how I'm going to get the moisture out from there

Hmmm

I mean, I could get them up

I just couldn't get them down again

djsmiley2k

i'm not an expert :/

yeah i hear you :/

bertieb

If you have boards up for longer than four hours, seek medical attention...

djsmiley2k

I see it as: get htem up, pay someone to put them down

or leave them, they soak up all the water inthe underlay, replace entire floor anyway

bertieb

9:45 AM

Going to have another look as mug of tea has nearly run out

Yeah....

djsmiley2k

if it's localised at all, try and make a 'border' where you stop the water moving into the dry areas

bertieb

Makes sense what you're saying

djsmiley2k

tbh it wasn't aboslutely terrible what was left at wifes old house

just felt rough underfoot

but you really don't want it going mouldy underneath

bertieb

Exactly ^

This is a relatively new kitchen as well (maybe a couple years old at most)

Erg

Let's see

djsmiley2k

:(

I'm worried about how i'm meant to drain the dishwasher

the water is at the bottom, and it's sat on the floor

i need a pump to suck it out? XD

Burgi

9:49 AM

i know it is grim but you could siphon it

bertieb

@djsmiley2k ...Cat litter?

djsmiley2k

and 2.1 just picked up a hairy dummy

put it in his mouth, went 'blurrrrrrrrrrrr'

@bertieb i don't think that's going to hlp the pump tho ;)

Burgi

get him to siphon it!

Journeyman Geek

that's an accurate description of a cat...

djsmiley2k

@Burgi i may have to, but I'm unsure how to syphon it when I've got nothing 'lower' for it to go to

I'm going to have to drag it half way around the house, so it's near the patio doors

so i can get it to run outside

really not what I want to be doing when i feel like death!

Burgi

9:50 AM

i thought siphoning worked against gravity?

djsmiley2k

only if the outlet end is lower

I've got my fish tank syphons, but still need somewhere for it to go to

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k borrow/rent a wet and dry shop vac?

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek it looks like maybe a litre or two of water

it's just.... annoying shaped pipes etc to get it out

hmmmmmm place your bets on if 2.1 will go to sleep today at 10 like he did yesterday :<

and now he's confused as I just told him off for playing with a plug socket.

bertieb

@djsmiley2k There must be some way of protecting against that

djsmiley2k

@bertieb lol we have the plug things he can't get out

but still needs to learn he shoudn't play anyway

Journeyman Geek

9:58 AM

@bertieb yet another way the british socket is superior.

It dosen't look like a rabbit.

bertieb

Ha :P

Michael Frank

I'm pretty sure this BIOS update only works when burnt to a optical disc... D:

djsmiley2k

/me invents a way to use tftp on your phone to update bioses

Journeyman Geek

I wonder if my IODD would work in those situations ;p

djsmiley2k

/*/

iodd?

Michael Frank

10:01 AM

Imitation Optical Disc Drive?

djsmiley2k

ah

Journeyman Geek

naw

iodd.kr/wordpress drives that load disk images as emulated physical disks

bertieb

10:46 AM

I spoke to the builder who put the kitchen and the floor in. He is... not optimistic about my chances of being able to lift the floor :P

Burgi

the fracking sonos app is broken again

Journeyman Geek

isn't that a good thing?

Burgi

no it means i can't turn them down

djsmiley2k

11:01 AM

@bertieb ah, glued ? :/

i fell asleep

Burgi

aren't yuou in work?

djsmiley2k

lol no, i'm ill at home

wife told me daughters class was 45 minutes, in my head i translated that to taking til 11:30am, so when i woke up on the sofa hearing banging, i first thought 2.1 had escaped his cot and some how got down stairs, then I thought i'd not closed the front door earlier... (as I'm ill it wouldn't b e that supprising)....

then 2.0 walks in xD

allquixotic

11:56 AM

@Bob yeah, though I do want to update it so (1) it's not using all the RAM on my system and (2) to mitigate Spectre

Bob

@allquixotic o.O is it leaking?

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