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12:45 AM
It's 22:44 of a Friday night
...and I'm already home nearly asleep .__.
 
Night
 
1:27 AM
@ThatBrazilianGuy ditto
 
 
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Bob
5:05 AM
hmmm
I wonder if buying the "extra hot" sopressa might be a mistake
 
 
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Bob
6:19 AM
O_O
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Q: fire smell at room of our UPS SYSTEM

user809845I have an uninterrupted power system whitch is consist of three UPS every one 100 KVA recentely there are smell of fire at the room and when i check all the batteries and the devices i am not notice any apparent problem

 
Ha, I just read that one.
 
questions like that scare me
 
@Bob lol
Get a thermal imager and determine what is getting hot.
 
@bwDraco ... I just commented that...
 
6:35 AM
lol
Great minds think alike!
Well, "get a thermal imager" was my very first instinct precisely because I have a thermal imager.
In other news...
I've been thinking about Astaroth's power consumption under load because a few hours of gaming is making my room heat up very dramatically.
So I did some research and found this: newscenter.lbl.gov/2015/08/31/…
It boils down to "if you have old hardware, upgrade your gaming PC to increase energy efficiency".
 
6:52 AM
ehh, what about the old hardware?
and $$$ and ewaste? ;p
 
Among the tricks I've been fiddling around with are the GPU overclocking tools. The same tools used to enhance performance can be used to limit power consumption, by reducing power target (on NVIDIA cards) or power limit (on AMD cards). Some games respond better to this than others; Assassin's Creed Origins suffers from some stuttering on a reduced power target but the dynamic resolution feature helps keep performance stable.
 
(My approach has been to... not turn on my desktop when not in use ;p)
I do have a small secondary system with low power usage
 
@JourneymanGeek This is actually one of the primary reasons I have Bifrons.
 
Well I favour NUC class machines there
 
It is quite remarkable what the 1080 Ti can do when asked to run in a 125W envelope...
23 hours ago, by bwDraco
That also explains the 8+8-pin PCIe aux power connectors. At the maximum 117.9% power target, the TDP would be 330W. (The minimum allowed power target is 44.6% for 125W.)
 
 
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8:11 AM
@JourneymanGeek Quick question: Is it possible to overwrite the Windows key embedded in UEFI?
 
@rahuldottech not as far as I know
and there's no good reason to
 
@JourneymanGeek So I can't accidentally delete it, right?
 
Not as far as I know
 
@JourneymanGeek Okay, thanks
 
 
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12:12 PM
:D
 
\o/
Matrix/synapse reinstalled. Need to switch it to pgsql next.
maaan servers are fun
 
12:51 PM
@Bob bad contact oxidising?
 
That's why you'd want to use a thermal imager.
Got a championship game to cover today. Wish me luck :)
 
@bwDraco good luck, enjoy too!
 
:)
 
hmm. Anyone minding taking a look at my nginx reverse proxy config and let me know if I did anything really dumb? @Bob? ;p
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek sure
 
> ssl_certificate /etc/letsencrypt/live/site.domain.com/fullchain.pem;
is your cert not in a path with your actual site?
 
I didn't want to put the actual site on it ;p
so I edited that. Assume its the actual site. It also actually works buuuut
This specific setup's for synapse so "location /_matrix {" - otherwise I assume it would be /
(also I'm lazy and just use new.domain.tld and newtls.domain.tld as templates, and modify from there)
 
Bob
1:43 PM
@JourneymanGeek so what's the problem again?
(sorry, midgame so ... delayed responses)
 
None. Unless I did anything stupid :o
 
Bob
1:58 PM
@JourneymanGeek ah. looks good at a glance
 
ahh good
 
@JourneymanGeek WHY ARE YOU USING NGINX
APACHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
 
@rahuldottech .... naw
(I actually went apache -> Lighttpd -> nginx)
 
@JourneymanGeek I thought you were an apache dude
 
@rahuldottech no?
I was a lighttpd dude
 
2:07 PM
@JourneymanGeek huh
 
like
buuuut
Sep 19 '13 at 1:54, by Journeyman Geek
@terdon: I'm doing all this from memory, I don't use apache any more.
and
Mar 31 '13 at 14:42, by Journeyman Geek
apache's model of handing vhosts and such can be a pain
lighttpd is really nice for resource constrained installs
 
I pronounce it "lie-httpd"
 
Looking back...
Dec 1 '13 at 18:57, by DragonLord
I have a broken 12-year-old PC at home, and I'm playing with the idea of removing everything and keeping only the case for a new build
Oct 30 '14 at 1:52, by DragonLord
I've been playing with the idea of building a new desktop, part by part as funds become available
 
I suppose you could also pronounce it "light tpd"
 
@allquixotic that's hwo i would, if i needed to
 
2:15 PM
I'm quite surprised at how long this took to come to fruition. Your thoughts?
 
I call it lighty
 
@JourneymanGeek Nod.
 
@bwDraco you kept not having money / wanting to hold off for new components about to arrive on the market; not surprising it took you that long
I surprised myself not long ago by holding out on the Ivy Bridge platform for 3 years and 10 months before jumping to Skylake
 
I've been waiting to rebuild my server for about 7 years
 
@bwDraco I'm pretty certain rationally my next PC's a year or two down the line
 
2:17 PM
for me that's an eternity
 
@allquixotic on toughly the same platform you were on, with better video and SSD than when I first built it ;p
 
Ya.
 
though in that time I upgraded from 1 x HD7970 to 2 x HD7970 to 1 x GTX980
 
but average builds are 5ish years apart
 
Bob
@rahuldottech because nginx is good and apache httpd can die in a fire
as hot a fire as possible
 
2:18 PM
lol
 
@Bob why
 
It was mainly a money issue, then as plans for Alastor and later Astaroth developed, it became primarily logistical issues.
 
@bwDraco as I always jokes, one typically has money or time.
never both
@rahuldottech its kinda heavy amongst other things
 
I haven't had any performance or configurability problems with Apache httpd myself, especially since the thread-based MPM became the default (I suppose the old prefork didn't scale well on Linux 2.4 and early 2.6, particularly before NPTL)
 
Bob
@rahuldottech config DSL is a messy pain
 
2:20 PM
@allquixotic the nice thing about apache is relatively easy to get running.
 
@JourneymanGeek @bob but... htaccess is amazing!!
 
@Bob IMO lighttpd is still the nicest thing about it
 
Bob
@rahuldottech htaccess is the absolute worst part of it
 
@rahuldottech not sure if trolling.
 
Bob
it's the hackiest part
 
2:20 PM
@JourneymanGeek . . .
@Bob why
why
 
Bob
it's also the part that should not be used at all (and is even disabled by default) if you want performance out of it
 
@Bob buttttt
 
(so, lighttpd... has the most easy to read syntax, but my setups were basic). Ngnix is more powerful but slightly more arcane
 
Bob
the only reason it's so common is cause there's so many shared hosts too bloody cheap to set up proper configs
 
@Bob and presumably comes with all the shitty config panels
 
Bob
2:21 PM
@allquixotic prefork is also the only one that works with mod_php, afaik
though the standard performant php install these days should be using fcgi (usually via fpm) anyway, whether apache or ningx
mod_php in shared hosting environments also raise a lot of questions around security
it's used cause it's easy and was expected about a decade ago
 
@JourneymanGeek So... what was the build philosophy behind Nyx?
 
@bwDraco ... amusingly enough....
 
Bob
in practice it doesn't really have well defined security boundaries
 
I basically built it around the case. Set a basic budget, went for solidly midrange, and minmaxed a few things
 
Bob
there were all kinds of nasty hacks around that time to get some semblence of users into it
 
2:25 PM
How much did you spend over the years on the system?
 
ehhh
Initial build was abooooot 2.5k.
maybe about that much again in upgrades
 
Bob
(iirc its also the reason certain people [who should be defenestrated at first opportunity] started recommending chmod -R 755/777 ... which is a bad idea.)
 
(monitors, new GPU)
 
Heh.
I'm looking into a new monitor, then a new CPU down the road.
 
Probably keeping the GPU and almost certainly the monitors
 
Bob
2:27 PM
if you want to imagine the early days of mod_php on apache... think running your customers as "users" on windows 98. that's about the kind of security you'd expect.
 
the z77 platform has onboard video anyway
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek everything has onboard video except p67
 
@Bob my current "ideal" does not ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek Current desktop Ryzen doesn't have an IGP which meant I couldn't hold off getting a graphics card, and buying a cheap card would mean spending extra money later on to replace it.
 
(I'm probably designing around threadripper once they get common enough to turn up on SLS pricelists)
@bwDraco well, I have a relatively recent, and certainly adequete card I can use + my current system will work for non gaming purposes without it
 
2:31 PM
@JourneymanGeek You're saying you must get it locally? Internet ordering not a option?
@JourneymanGeek Nod. I don't have a recent NVIDIA card to use as a stopgap.
 
Bob
I wonder what the absolute cheapest card is
probably a GT 710
 
@bwDraco I like buying parts the old fashioned way
 
Yeah. Kepler. Pascal should replace that, though.
 
Bob
oof, still $35
 
@JourneymanGeek I have a choice of local or online, but local availability is rather poor.
 
Bob
2:48 PM
@JourneymanGeek I wonder what'll happen once the 'easy' IPS questions dry up
then again, workplace hasn't hit that point yet
 
@Bob the funny thing is IPS apparently hasn't hit 10 QPD
 
Bob
also, that SMPS question on electronics makes me want to get that power supply thing ... again -_-
 
@Bob did you see dave's latest video on those??
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek nup
 
@Bob spoilers. magic smoke escapes and he manages to burn one out
 
Bob
2:49 PM
oof
 
hm. protools is being a bit of a pain
 
Bob
all those fancy loads
he should just hook it up to a space heater :P
 
Bob
3:05 PM
@JourneymanGeek watching the magic smoke
 
@rahuldottech "Apache" is an old native american word that means "I can't configure Nginx".
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy -_-
 
PS: I use Apache ;p
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy you maintain wordpress for a living... ;p
 
!!e_poop
 
3:19 PM
@rahuldottech That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
@JourneymanGeek I wish. It's occasional money :(
 
wordpress is 💩
3
 
@rahuldottech ehh, it works
I use wordpress ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek I know. It's still 💩
 
3:21 PM
@rahuldottech that said, there's few good alternatives
 
It works and powers 25% of the web. Is 25% of the web "💩"?
 
ghost looks nice but no comments, and node.js
 
@JourneymanGeek bludit.com
PHP, plugins, lightweight, comments, cool ^
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy more than that is 💩
 
I'm so tempted to paste @rahuldottech's comment at wordpress.se main chat room 😈
 
3:23 PM
@ThatBrazilianGuy Yes. 💩 💩
 
@rahuldottech "cool" is bug, not feature
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy Yes. Do IT
@JourneymanGeek Wrong. Being 💩 is a bug.
 
Being 💩 is broad
notice, when we said we didn't like apache, we talked about things we liked about other platforms
and what we didn't like about apache
Reasoned discourse is about more than... well lots of emojis.
2
 
@JourneymanGeek I like apache, but that's prolly because I've never used anything else
 
I have experience with WordPress, Drupal and (very very limited with) Joomla.
 
3:26 PM
@JourneymanGeek Notice how my messages have two types of poop
@ThatBrazilianGuy try bludit
 
@rahuldottech that's hardly a diversity of views ;)
 
WordPress has its flaws, Joomla development is slow (and I've seen dozens of defacements per day back in 2013), and Drupal is damn straight traumatic.
I have to try Ghost, Anchor, now this bludit, and many others.
 
@JourneymanGeek Why is it that I didn't get flagged for the poop emoji but got flagged for saying FART
 
@rahuldottech 1. No one's complained. 2. Chat flows otherwise.
 
Bob
@ThatBrazilianGuy Ghost was pretty good. Has a nice UI.
 
3:28 PM
@rahuldottech Because a certain person was online then but isn't now?
 
granted does make you seem a bit childish
 
@JourneymanGeek I don't know if you noticed... But I am a child.
 
@Bob debating spinning up an instance at some point to play with
@rahuldottech eh, teenager
and I've known some balanced, mature teens
 
@JourneymanGeek eh, minor
@JourneymanGeek You're obviously talking about the other me
The one you usually see
 
Do you want to be judged by age or your actions? ;p
 
Bob
3:29 PM
@JourneymanGeek I had one for a bit, but ... lack of content.
 
@rahuldottech amusingly. NO ITS BECKY.
 
Bob
Also, I need a name.
wth do people get names for their blogs :S
 
@JourneymanGeek latter(ine). Definitely.
 
@Bob maybe once I get over this backlog of things I want to do ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek Adolescence is weird. It's a transition stage where not only your voice goes back and forth, but your maturity does the same.
 
3:30 PM
@Bob What do you plan to write about?
 
@JourneymanGeek DO YOU'RE JUST GONNA IGNORE THAT PUN, HUH?
 
Also, morning all
 
@rahuldottech then act accordingly
 
Bob
@BenN Hi!
 
@BenN Hello!
 
Bob
3:30 PM
:P
 
:D
 
@rahuldottech yes. Its 💩tty
 
Bob
@BenN ...stuff, probably :P
 
@Bob mine is literally rahul-dot-tech
 
Bob
generally, IT-related stuff
 
3:31 PM
Hmm, puns are always good
 
@Bob mine's basically designed to bootstrap my server moves it seems ;p
 
I've been trying to find a good name for my domain for literally years.
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy I'm lucky enough to have reasonably unique branding ;p
(though I use lupinenet.tld for things)
 
both firstname.com and firstname.com.br are taken. :(
 
@bob... Daring Fireball, Coding Horror, etc... Just random phrases.
 
Bob
3:33 PM
lol
I've considered using the whole fox theme
but that's getting old
 
Bob
lol
hm
 
Keyboard Fox?
Like a keyboard cat, but with foxes
 
@rahuldottech "Zorra" in pt is "mess, confusion"
 
@BenN Incoherent Typing
 
Bob
3:36 PM
@ThatBrazilianGuy that's even better!
'cept (brazilian) spanish isn't really my thing :P
@BenN hmmmmmm.
*considers*
though I should probably at least do something about this backlog before thinking about blogs again
...such as doing something about that trickleedit thing
 
Ah yes
 
Bob
it's been in a bit of a limbo as I try to decide whether I want to use typescript :P
 
I hear TypeScript is pretty great
I have not personally used it though
 
lol
so far...
 
Bob
@BenN it is. it makes intellisense amazing
the only problem is the build/debug pipeline
it doesn't mesh too well with webext
 
3:38 PM
Ah
 
Bob
and I don't really want to have to run a build before I can load the script
 
I've gotten everything but the openid endpoint moved (and its non essential). Need to move synapse to postgres (which I can do tommorrow) and maybe finally run my own email server ._.
 
Bob
unfortunately the jspm thing that was supposed to transpile at runtime doesn't seem to be working
@JourneymanGeek yea email is one thing I explicitly avoided self-hosting
I mean, I use email on my own domain, but I pay MS $7/month to host email for me :P
 
@Bob primary mail's still gonna be gmail
 
Bob
was a toss-up between MS and Google at the time
 
3:40 PM
its just something I want to run for... reasons?
 
Bob
email is just too finicky
domain and IP reputation is a huuuuuge pain
 
@Bob why
 
Bob
much easier to piggyback off an established provider :P
 
@JourneymanGeek USE ROUNDCUBE PLZZZZZZZ
 
@rahuldottech probably will
 
Bob
3:41 PM
> Are you kidding? I just told you like a minute ago.
 
@JourneymanGeek <3
 
@rahuldottech It's kinda tricky to get set up correctly and pretty bad if it stops working
 
Bob
@BenN yea, that's part of it
 
Namecheap does my domains' email for me, which is neat
 
Bob
if my server goes down, I expect to be sending/receiving email about it
 
3:42 PM
@BenN I just... use cPanel :P
 
Bob
... ... ... you can see the kind of loop that leads to
 
Heh, yes
 
@BenN my dad's on namecheap
It works well enough and I don't need to worry about it ;p
 
Bob
@rahuldottech you're not "using cpanel" to host your email, you're using <your webhost's email service>
which is more of the same story, really
 
@Bob exactly?
 
Bob
3:43 PM
most of my domains just use a namecheap catch-all
but my main one uses MS cause outgoing
@rahuldottech you asked why, and ... you yourself do not self-host
 
@rahuldottech ewww
;p
 
@Bob Because I don't have a server... yet
 
Bob
bleh
 
Should have it running as soon as mom gives me the PC back
 
Bob
there's far more reasons to not self-host email
 
3:44 PM
She has it locked in her cupboard
 
@rahuldottech basically you do not ever want your primary email going down. ever.
 
Bob
email spam is a big problem. email anti-spam is ridiculously strict.
 
Yes, my server is locked in my mom's cupboard
 
Bob
gmail won't even accept incoming connections from a huge range of IP addresses
 
#ruiningitforeveryone
 
Bob
3:45 PM
@rahuldottech running an email server from home is actually utterly useless
because residential IP addresses are all blocked-by-default by literally every major provider
 
@rahuldottech any residential or dynamic dns is likely blocked
 
@Bob Whoa, seriously?
 
Bob
like, no matter what you do, there's absolutely no way you can send email to >80% of potential recepients
 
@Bob wow
I'll just stick with what I have right now then
 
Bob
@rahuldottech this is why we don't self-host emails
IP reputation is hard
 
3:46 PM
@Bob I get it now
I know nothing
 
Bob
there's almost books written about "warming up" IP addresses
 
@rahuldottech there's only two reasons you want to host your own email...
stupidty and masochism ;p
 
Bob
e.g. linking them to a known good domain, sending slow but consistent amounts of email to get it recognised as good...
(and none of that works if your IP address is marked residential)
that's all completely ignoring the "what if your server goes down" issue, btw
which is a whole other important problem
 
@Bob and even if all external factors work, its ludiciously complicated
 
Bob
@rahuldottech basically, spammers like using botnets. botnets are usually home computers. so, how do you cut out a huge chunk of spam? welllll there's this handy list of residential IPs we have here...
@JourneymanGeek yea, been there. I've configured "simple" exim and postfix instances to send very simple emails from servers
usually takes half a day and even then I'm sure I've stuffed something up
 
3:49 PM
@Bob which is kinda why I want to do it
 
Bob
and then there's that scaleway IP that had a bad reputation from a previous owner so I had to use a transactional mail service anyway
 
then probably just use an external service for journeymangeek.tld, and use that with lupinenet.tld
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek oh, if you ever need a mailserver on Windows... hMailServer is amazingly simple
used it a few times for testing other stuff (password reset emails)
 
@Bob I have good memories of this pmail.com
 
Bob
@rahuldottech oh, the one or two cases where setting up your own email server almost make sense: when you have a server-hosted app that needs to receive email, or you actually need to send out a lot of mail and don't want to use a transactional service
oh great, I'm getting spam email about bitcoin investments now
sent to my +dominos address
thanks, dominos
 
3:54 PM
annnd, that's the best part about gmail ;p
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek heh, I've kinda hacked it in on O365, but they really should just implement it -_-
the stupid thing? outlook.com supports it
but not O365
one tic, I'll dig up the feature request ... again
 
@Bob 0_0
 
Bob
@rahuldottech they had a leak earlier this year
 
@Bob ow
 
Bob
4:17 PM
my Windows lock screen background is a giant toucan (beak)
I blame @ThatBrazilianGuy
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy mine is 'milkme'
@Bob didn't they get hacked?
> In June 2014, Domino's Pizza in France and Belgium was hacked by a group going by the name "Rex Mundi" and their customer data held to ransom. Domino's refused to pay the ransom and six months later, the attackers released the data along with troves of other hacked accounts. Amongst the customer data was passwords stored with a weak MD5 hashing algorithm and no salt.

Compromised data: Email addresses, Names, Passwords, Phone numbers, Physical addresses
so that'll be why
dump the account to spam, change to +dominos1
 
Bob
4:35 PM
wrong country, wrong year
39 mins ago, by Bob
@rahuldottech they had a leak earlier this year
 
Bob
12 hours ago, by Bob
I wonder if buying the "extra hot" sopressa might be a mistake
a few sandwiches later: yea, it was probably a mistake
wonderful in the mouth, not great in the stomach, probably gonna be hell soon
 
is that a coffee @bob
 
Bob
@djsmiley2k salami
 
oooooo
 
4:58 PM
i like me some salami
but it's one of the few spiced things, which i don't feel like i want to try hotter and hotter ones
 
Salami tastes very nice but has a high proportion of the wrong kind (saturated) of fat :/
 
Bob
5:22 PM
@djsmiley2k they didn't have the normal hot this time
I should've gone with mild
 
5:42 PM
Staten Island 2-0 Lehman.
 
5:54 PM
It's over, my alma mater just won.
 
Bob
6:08 PM
oh my
off-topicness aside, this is ludicrously insecure superuser.com/questions/1265479/…
I'd almost call it a troll pulling out the worst example possible
 
Huh, they applied a bunch of string escaping functions... but not the one that actually fits where they're putting the string
Also, please stop "sanitizing" input and use parameterized queries instead
3
 
Hm, months without a GitHub issue filed and now two within an hour from different people - I wonder if my project's been mentioned somewhere
 
Bob
6:38 PM
@BenN lol, as I said, worst possible
 
7:34 PM
what kind of issue?
 
All the settings do nothing on this user's edition of Windows
I think I know what the problem is - installing gpedit via DISM will half-install the infrastructure necessary for policies to get applied to the Registry, and I think they did that
And by "half-install" I mean "install just enough to confuse my program into thinking it's not my problem, but not enough to make Windows actually do the job itself"
 
7:59 PM
Anyone know if there's a user script to assist with editing posts for grammar? I'm pretty sure I saw a post several years that one exists, but I cannot find it anywhere I search.
It did things like fix capitalization, common misspellings, etc. I'm tired of doing all of this by hand...
 
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