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12:01
The problem with this kind of comprehensive tracking is that it's extremely easy to abuse. Especially in cases when the govt is bad. And the Indian govt is already on the edge in many respects.
A sizeable chunk of senior Indian govt officials are professional criminals. With criminal records and everything. They don't teach that in civics class.
@Sathya Indeed. The PAN card.
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12:14
that was ridiculous
install M.2 SSD? bah, easy
1. remove motherboard cover over the M.2 slot
1.1 remove GPU to access cover
1.1.1 grab screwdriver to remove GPU because PCIe clip is unreachable
2. dig in closet for screw and standoff for M.2 slot
3. install standoff
3.1 drop standoff into PSU
3.1.1 remove PSU
3.1.1.1 unplug all PSU cables
3.1.2 take PSU out and shake until standoff drops out
3.1.2.1 look around floor for missing standoff
3.1.3 reinstall PSU
3.2 install standoff ... again
4. install M.2 card
5. install cover
6. install GPU
...and now I need to actually move the OS across, god help me
@Bob I get people to do it for me. I once spent 20 minutes trying to plug in a hard drive, as I recall. I don't do well with small movements in confined spaces.
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@FaheemMitha I got a nice big case just for that reason
@Bob Me too.
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then proceeded to put in a nice big GPU, a nice big heatsink, a nice big PSU...
there's not much free space left in the case :P
I don't find a big case helps that much. The components are still small, and the case tends to be cramped regardless.
12:39
@Bob this is why I use the kitchen table, and have a tray for screws. Also, get the human to do it.
@JourneymanGeek the human?
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12:56
@JourneymanGeek tray wouldn't have helped, it fell mid install :P
@FaheemMitha The Human. As opposed to the dog
13:18
@rahuldottech freelancing is pain
@Avery Eh, I'd still do it because I really need cash
yes same
I'll give it another shot after my exams
I need cash
@rahuldottech No, and that's the problem
13:38
@CircusCat uhm...? Elucidate?
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@allquixotic 960 Pro set up! :D ^
13:54
omg jelly
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Next steps: a couple more backups and then wipe the old SSD
> That is the closest thing to Mythbusters slashfic I'll ever read.
— Adam Savage
@Bob he's a very cool guy
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yup
@Bob You gots a 960 Pro
Goddamn it I was on the verge of buying something like that yesterday
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14:09
Sep 12 at 4:00, by Bob
I just bought a 512 GB 960 Pro
@Bob Dammit the sensible choice too!
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@CircusCat lol. 256 is too restrictive and 1tb is too expensive
I couldn't decide between the 2TB 960 or a 1TB MX300
Because yeah the 960 is too expensive
I wish there was a 960 Evo or something but since there's no competition in the >1TB M.2 SSD space the only options are uber expensive or uber shite
512GB seems like the perfect choice
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@CircusCat I was waffling between 1 TB 850 Evo or 512 GB 960 Pro
But why the 1 TB MX300?
@Bob Because it's cheap and you can't get hold of the M.2 850 Evo here
(Also because it's nearly double the speed of the only other 1TB M.2 option, the WD Blue, and doesn't cost more)
14:22
if a user is on a suspension and their rep is reduced to 1, what happens to the rest of their rep? is is gone forever or do they get it back at the end of the suspension?
Uh-oh, a random moderator has appeared! My pony-senses suspect of a flag.
o.O
@Burgi They get it back when the suspension ends.
12 hours ago, by Journeyman Geek
installs whatsapp and watches all the space melt away
Oh God this is so real. Specially for either owner of more modest phones, or for elder users.
UNLESS the suspension is for voting anomalies - then votes related to that are undone by a CM
14:26
@JourneymanGeek do they also get any rep gained from upvotes made during their suspension?
@Burgi yes
@ThatBrazilianPony we have a family chatroom...
interesting...
o.O
@Burgi suspensions are a "go sit in the corner" not a "slice off part of your little finger"
I WAS IN THE FRACKING ROOM AND STILL MISSED IT!!!!!!
@JourneymanGeek That's common mandatory here.
Since back from the Orkut days I'm of the opinion that Brazilians are the Indians of South America. Or vice-versa.
@Burgi Missed what?
14:28
@ThatBrazilianPony do they check and revert so they can do the needful?
@Burgi chat suspensions are different
IF your parent account is suspended, you're chat suspended. Otherwise, its a seperate suspension system.
@Burgi it was literally blink and miss it.
@ThatBrazilianPony my mom upgraded from her xiomi 1s literally cause it was running out of space, cause whatsapp...
@JourneymanGeek No but they we totally lack any common sense and hit on strangers on facebook and take pictures of with dead relatives, selfies during natural disasters, livestream from prisons... If it's insane, we done it.
Oh, sounds a lot like the north
basically i saw a great post on workplace.SE but the user was suspended
14:31
the south is differently stupid
@Burgi ah! feel free to upvote, knowing they will get the rep.
@Burgi Just a case of my mild OCD.
@ThatBrazilianPony i thought you'd been flagged again
@ThatBrazilianPony pls no ro-abuse
@Avery WAT?
##wat
@JourneymanGeek already have
Room Owners can see deleted messages' histories
It's MY OWN MESSAGE FFS! A message I deleted because I pasted it into the body of a previous message!
@Avery technically, HE KNOWS WHAT HE SAID ._.
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@CircusCat ah, it's a M.2 then?
14:33
oh
I assumed it was someone else's post
@JourneymanGeek Technically :P
sorry
@Avery Some other Brazilian ;P
@ThatBrazilianPony we all have those days. When we wake up to find.... we're actually smarter when we're completely out of it ;p
s /out of it/high on cough syrup/
14:35
actually, it was flu meds. Good ol actifed
has brazil closed the border to the north?
@Avery I liked you better when you were an egg. Why did you had to evolve? :(
DISCLAIMER: THE PREVIOUS MESSAGE WAS TOTALLY A JOKE.
this egg cracked on january
I N S I D E M E M E S
o.O
(egg = person in denial of who they are)
14:37
@Burgi Let me totally not open Google Maps to check the north border...
Oh, there's no way we're closing the border with Colombia. Would hurt business.
do you not border Venezuela to the north as well?
Yeah. And some other stuff countries called Guiana and Suriname and Guiana again.
The only time I ever hear of those are when I check the map. No exaggeration.
French Guiana is where we (Europe) launch rockets from
#ThankColonialism
@Burgi Oh. Are you asking this because of the hurricane?
no... the geo-political situation and the brink of civil war
14:46
Well. We surely receive refugees with open arms.
zat second link....
@JourneymanGeek I just skimmed the titles and first paragraphs. Barely anything else.
I skimmed the source..
Oh! Are you mentioning the communist propaganda references to the glorious leader?
14:49
Sep 6 at 14:34, by That REDACTED Guy
@rahuldottech I am part of a group who studies Karl Marx's "Das Kapital" every week.
pffft
@ThatBrazilianPony come back when he's written a book in your home city
@ThatBrazilianPony people have been doing it for so long... and yet, no one's made sense of it ;)
@Burgi Come back when Ronald Biggs and Jhonny Rotten have recorded a music video in your home city.
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@JourneymanGeek :D
ronnie biggs is a criminal and shouldn't be celebrated
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14:52
I think I've watched that at last four times in the last month :P
I need more of them
@Burgi Brazilians are crazy, I told you.
its the jungle heat
@JourneymanGeek I know how they feel and don't blame them. Trust me.
@ThatBrazilianPony what about that?
14:54
It takes us a week to read a few pages and it makes no sense and then a lightbulb appears and "oh I think he meant [stuff that could be written in two paragraphs]".
When you already know what he meant, then the whole stuff makes sense.
7 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek
zat second link....
i'm reading a tom clancy novel at the moment
the USSR has invaded West Germany because some islamic terrorists blew up their oil refinery
OH
Red Storm Rising
yeah
its not bad
@ThatBrazilianPony the big problem with marxist socialism is...
it dosen't take into account human nature
i'm about 60% through and its looking like the soviets are about to succeed and crush NATO
14:59
@Bob There's a non-M.2 960 Pro?!
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@CircusCat I meant the MX300
@Bob Yeah
M.2 is the only option in this laptop, my SATA bay is full already
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@CircusCat tbh I think I would've preferred a SATA Express 960, but they only do M.2 :\
@Bob I bought a 4TB SATA HDD to see if it'll fit in my SATA bay
i fully expect the americans to pull out a deus ex machina in the closing chapters
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15:01
@CircusCat did it?
@Bob Not here yet
@JourneymanGeek I know nothing about marxist socialism yet. I'm just 10% into a book that supposedly explains theories about political economy. I'm in the basics yet. Marxist socialism is a political theory built on top of those economic theories (that I'm yet starting to study).
But I measured about 8mm of space on either side of my existing 7mm SSD so it might work
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@CircusCat if it doesn't, you could always get a caddy :P
@Bob I already have an 8TB drive in an external caddy
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15:02
o.O
Though I could tape it to the top of my lid like I did my current SSD
@Burgi the war in 21st century is not about crushing the enemy. If you start an expansionist war, you would actually harm yourself by that, because you would destroy the surrounding economies and end up with huge poverty issues in your new .. emm .. Lebensraum
@JourneymanGeek Dog? What dog?
@tereško the book was written in the 80s ;p
That's a thought that ocurrs to me a lot. In theory, democracy should work... A state-owned public school or hospital *should* work... But human nature happens. =/
(Although I believe there are more in-depth, less simplistic explanations.)
15:05
you can take the Crimea as an example - it's a fucking mess
@JourneymanGeek ah, that explains it
@tereško the book is set in 1986
@ThatBrazilianPony You'd also need to engineer companies with VERY flat management styles
@JourneymanGeek I don't think I understand what you mean.
@ThatBrazilianPony well, for workers to truely control the means of production...
Essentially the modern way of running a company, with very tall hierachies, is basically fundamentally exploitative
On the other hand, you'd still need some way to decide on a broader stratergy...
@JourneymanGeek capitalism is flawed, but socialism/communism is a disaster
15:09
@tereško some aspects of socialism communism might work in smaller companies
As a political system though, its never been sucessfully done
the best option these days seems to be capitalism with sprinkled on socialism
Well, 'real' capitalsm dosen't exist either
Everything is broken ;p
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Implementations of socialism or communism are flawed, but capitalism is a disaster.
Capitalism is "we want your money at all costs", "the most ruthless shark wins", "human rights be damned".
@ThatBrazilianPony capitalism doesn't have the habit of causing mass famine
@tereško actually, it totally could
15:12
Capitalism brought the studend debt crisis in the US ("lets capitalize the education"), the opioid epidemy in the US (big pharma pushing painkillers)....
@ThatBrazilianPony proper capitalism is literally letting the market decide
@JourneymanGeek could, sure - but it never really does. At the same time every communist country that I can recall, has suffered from famine.
HOWEVER, practically, anyone in a position to stick their thumb on the scales will.
@tereško which is why I say real capitalism dosen't exist, and that everything is broken
Any system that's based on idealised economic theory, rather than on human psycology and economics is flaged.
@tereško because a command economy run by idiots is ineffiecient.
@JourneymanGeek The way I see it, letting the market decide will always favor the corporations. "The market" will decide minimum wage isn't competitive, at-will for everyone, workers should have the rights of Industrial England! workers and employers should negotiate employment terms!
@ThatBrazilianPony that isn't incompatible with capitalism.
15:15
In fact, they in practice did just that here last year =/
@JourneymanGeek No, that is a tenet of capitalism. And really unfair.
@tereško Heeeeeeeeeeeey waitaminnute. I thought I was boring and blocked!
... and I am starting to remember why you were blocked
@tereško the politics, or the brazillianness?
hides
15:17
@JourneymanGeek I have actually forgot. It might have been the ignorance related to politics
@tereško politics tends to be like that
there's a reason we mostly talk about ... other things ;p
@ThatBrazilianPony I guess you have no idea why garbage collectors in USA earn $100k+
@ThatBrazilianPony You should get the Cliff Notes version.
@tereško Sure it does. Read the histories of the British Empire. But not by British historians.
@tereško Communism didn't have anything to with socialism. It was a command economy.
@tereško I know a garbage collector in Brazil earns USD 6721 a year.
@FaheemMitha British Empire was not a capitalistic system
15:23
Any more than the Nazis were. They also called themselves socialists, which is comical.
@tereško It wasn't?
@tereško was latvia part of the warsaw pact?
@Burgi depends on how you mean it. It was one of the locations that was divided in it.
Latvia already was occupied by that time
@Burgi They were part of the USSR (arguably allied, then invaded then occupied, but yanno, basically everyone was grab grab grab) before ww2, and were the first parts to break away from the Soviets.
ok
did you grow up under soviet rule?
only the tail end
15:29
i'm always interested to learn about what it was like towards the end
i remember watching the queues at supermarkets for a loaf of bread on the evening news
I still remember that in my home town there was a single shop for "Milk", which never had any enough and the queues wrapped the block
there was also a "Bread" shop and "Meat" shop
oh, and "Fish" shop
we have those sorts of shops here but they are privately owned
(those where the official names for the shops, of course - in Latvian)
in Riga (capitol) those shops were named in Russian
15:31
lol
@Burgi in the UK those would be fancier than the average supermarket no?
bread shop = bakery
meat shop = butchers
fish shop = fishmonger
@JourneymanGeek yeah
@Burgi no, I mean there was only one shop in entire town, where you could buy milk, and it was called "Milk", @Burgi
o.O
O.o
are there many people that wish that the country had stayed soviet?
this is why I am completely baffled, when I see those western hipster communists waving the red flags
old people here are always talking about "the good old days"
15:34
@tereško its easy to be nostalgic for something you have never lived under
@Burgi these days - only some old russian nationals, who were employed in military-related jobs
do you learn about that period in school? if so is it balanced?
feel free to tell me to STFU if these are invasive, annoying questions
@Burgi not sure. I have not been in school for some years, but the approach to history in my country is what you could call "dry"
heh
I'm not a western hipster communist, I don't think the state owning everything is the solution. At least not the way it's usually done.
I work at a state-owned institution and it is falling to pieces.
Quite literally. The walls are crumbling in some buildings.
15:42
i saw a tv show recently where the guy went to lativa and he paid to spend the night in a recreated gulag
@ThatBrazilianPony well, state should own the infrastructure
every hour or so a guard would burst in and scream at you in russian
@Burgi there were no gulags in Latvia. They mostly were in Siberia.
it was one of these living museums
i'll find the name of it
ah, I know that one
15:45
> If you love adventures like this one, you can be accommodated to stay in the Karosta Prison like as if you are a prisoner.
btw "Karosta" actually translates as "War Harbor"
that area initially was part of militarty zone .. since ... emm ... before 1900
@Burgi What kind of layout is that? Looks like a generic blogspot template from nearly 10 years ago.
@ThatBrazilianPony IN GLORIOUS UNION OF SOCIALIST PEOPLES! WE DO NOT NEED NO DECADANT CAPITALIST WEB DESIGN! IF GLORIOUS FALSE WOOD OF PEOPLE NOT GOOD ENOUGH! THEN WHAT IS?
@ThatBrazilianPony its not my website!
LOL
15:50
@JourneymanGeek Meh. Not strong enough! TRUE COMMUNISM IS TRULY STRONG!
@Burgi I know!!!
i'm told that iran has a stunning coastline and would be perfect for European holiday makers
@Burgi I think you are mistaking Iran and Iraq - you can go to Iran on holiday whenever you want to
only downside is taht its in Iran
@tereško i think there are travel restrictions for UK visitors
@Burgi It will never be the true experience because the worst horror of any terrible experience is knowing it is real and you can't escape from it and stop experiencing it.
Besides, I bet true terrible prisons have stuff much worse than people waking you up at 3 am to shout at you (starvings, beatings, rape, dozens in a cell that should have 5 people, in extreme heat, no plumbing, etc etc).
Sounds like a silly thing for people with too much money.
@Burgi from Latvia the cheapest "tourist package" is about 170€
15:56
@tereško to Iran?
Had I access to "too much money", I'd rather have other, better silly experiences - like that hotel all made of ice, or something like that.
@Burgi yes
i honestly think that due to the "unique" relationship that the UK has with america that there are issues for brits trying to travel there
i might be wrong
only people who hate my country are in Russia .. and only around the election season
16:27
@tereško You misspelt "also" in your SO profile...
aslo you have real nice hair
now I want to know what kind of shampoo you use
16:47
No one compliments my hair :(
@ThatBrazilianPony I never saw you so
@ThatBrazilianPony You have a very sexy manly nice mane
Not sure of what adjectives adjectives would be appropriate for a Unicorn's bodily hair
Yes, I just called you a unicorn
That may or may not be a compliment
17:33
@ThatBrazilianPony I haven't tried that. I just meant that I've VPN'd into work before through my cell phone as a wifi hotspot. I haven't done it in a while. It surprisingly doesn't use too much data, it's just that the latency can be annoying. I can try that option.
@BenRichards Yeah. I was thinking it could be some laptop settings, but the fact it works in your office's wifi points against it.
@ThatBrazilianPony Precisely.
Anyways, I'm going to have it connected on my desk to my VNC session just to monitor it for disconnects. Probably run a ping test as well.
@BenRichards Crazy idea, but what if you boot your laptop into a live linux USB and see if the issue persists? (That is, at home you run a VPN'ed VNC session both via ethernet and via wifi on the live linux, and see what happens)
@BenRichards Tried my suggestion?
@rahuldottech Not yet, I'll have to do that when I get home.
17:36
@BenRichards Wait... you said the same thing three days ago :P
@ThatBrazilianPony I've actually thought about trying that too. I also kinda want to see how Linux runs on my hardware hehe
@rahuldottech Well, I've been busy. :P Yesterday family came over to my house from KC and they're staying for a week. I've had to get my house ready for hosting them.
@rahuldottech What was it?
I also kinda forgot about the power thing until yesterday after they got in.
2 days ago, by rahuldottech
@BenRichards Click on the battery icon in the taskbar an make sure that power saver isn't switched on. Then click Power and Sleep Settings > Additional Power Settings > Customize Power Plan > High Performance. Try this and see if the problem persists — rahuldottech 2 mins ago
@rahuldottech Oh, I suggested the same thing in other words.
17:38
I do think that power settings on the laptop could be contributing. Maybe the firmware limits the transmit power of the antenna when on battery power and something changed in just the right way (neighbors or whatever) and I'm getting a lot of interference lately.
I almost mentioned this in the question originally but didn't. I've never had issues with the Wi-Fi that I couldn't figure out with that network, except for my old PS4. It wouldn't reliably connect to the Internet through that Wi-Fi network (and I tried so many configurations). It works fine at my parents' house.
I'd try, in that order:
1) High Performance power plan
2) A live Linux USB
4) A mobile data connection
5) A different router
6) A different ISP (friend's home?)
I never figured out what it was. It could have been the PS4's crappy Wi-Fi chipset, or it could've been something weird with my router.
Got a PS4 Pro as an upgrade and it works fine though. I think the Pro has a slightly different chipset, but shrugs
@ThatBrazilianPony Good options. But again, in keeping with the aim of this site, I would suggest posting new suggestions to the question itself. It could help others debug as well :)
@BenRichards Usually do that when the problem is solved...
@rahuldottech In my mind, sometimes trying the steps can be helpful for people even if the cause isn't exactly the same.
@BenRichards Fair enough
I already added my suggestion as a comment first
17:49
Yeah I know.
My suggestion isn't definitive enough to warrant an answer, but it was too long to post as a comment so I posted it as an answer anyway.
@rahuldottech I think your comment should be an answer. It's a simple one but, hey, maybe it works!
@ThatBrazilianPony Let's have @BenRichards try it out first :)
@ThatBrazilianPony I'd say that it's substantive enough as an answer. I can leave comments on it and you can update it with more info or advice in the future :) Thanks.
@ThatBrazilianPony It's a good debugging step but I definitely don't like the idea of running on a max power plan when on battery power all the time :)
@BenRichards Yeah
Come to think of it, 95% of the time when I'm using my laptop at home I have electricity plugged in
..and 99,9% of the time I use my laptop I am home. I should have bought a desktop =/
I like the option of laying on the couch with my laptop when working from home. It'd be less comfortable if I had to run a power cable, especially since my sectional isn't against a wall
I'm a big fan of the laptop form factor. It can be docked for desktop use, but even if you're always at a desk, it's a much smaller footprint than a desktop and uses less power, plus has built-in battery backup for power outages :)
17:59
Yeah I have a power socket right beside my bed, one beside my desk, one beside the sofa and a UPS beside the TV :P
Unless I'm doing something like gaming, then a desktop is warranted. I'd like to use a laptop then too, but the higher pricetag is a valid criticism against that practice.
I'm not really a fan of laptops because both repair and upgrade are much more expensive, upgrading is severely limited, and performance-wise, for the same price I get a much better desktop.
That and I don't use a laptop outside much because it's targeted by muggers =/
You pick an S7 or the latest iPhone from your pocket on public transport and no one bats an eye. You pick the cheapest laptopt and "OMG A LAPTOP"
Get one of those laptop locks and loop the other end around your leg or something :P
Okay, so
If I have this reasonably-specced desktop from 2014-15
I should just be able to purchase a graphics card and install it without any hassle?
99% of my time I'm using my laptop at home, but I really appreciate being able to use it on the couch/other couch/bed/deck/countertop/etc
@rahuldottech probably, yeah. 2015 is recent enough that it should be using PCIe for the GPU.
18:13
@rahuldottech So long as the PSU can handle it, you have enough PCIe lanes for it, and your case is big enough. Depends on the graphics card you're getting.
@BenRichards Hm. PCIe slots are the card slots at the back, right?
I'm not much of a hardware person
If you can fit it in the case and the PSU can handle it, any other considerations will just determine how fast it will work (PCI-e lane width and version of the spec).
@BenRichards Ah
I should probably also get a decent WiFi card
Yeah, but you really need to look at your motherboard and PSU to know what it can support. Some graphics cards are pretty bulky too, though, so you will have to know if you have the physical space inside for one.
It really depends on the graphics card. From budget to enthusiast, there's all sorts of sizes and requirements.
@BenRichards Yeah, most of the ones I can find on the internet probably won't fit
18:15
@rahuldottech look into powerline ethernet adapters imo
wifi is unreliable
@Avery I use ethernet most of the time
Powerline Ethernet can be unreliable depending on the quality of your home wiring and how dirty your power signal is :P
WiFi is for when I have to use phone hostspot
I've never used it myself though
I gtg, mommadottech is asking me to study
Goodnight folks :)
18:16
I gotta get back to work myself :) See ya
I should buy momma.tech
@Avery Don't, I will as soon as I get the funds
:P
I've considered looking into EoP, but in practice 802.11ac is good enough for my house, and probably works better than EoP over 40-year-old wiring would
I get 6mbps via wifi so I should try EoP
though the investment is kinda big by turkish standards
like if it doesn't work, I'll probably regret spending that amount
@Avery someone else already owns momma.tech :(
18:20
@Avery ouch, that's brutl
I mean I get 22mbps via ethernet, but even on transfers inside the LAN, it still gets capped around ~6mbps
@ToxicFrog Eh, most of the time I'm on 2.5
Ethernet is 7.5
4g is like 4
I was on ~3mbps for like the last 7 years
so 6mbps is definitely an upgrade haha
18:40
Wifi is about 40-50MBps here
I would like gigE but that would require opening up a lot of walls and running a lot of cables.
I pay for 75mbps but the copper cables here limit me to around 22mbps
and that's with vdsl
Oh, I'm just talking inside-the-house here
For WAN DSL is limited to 25/10 Mbps (not MBps) and cable 250/20 here
also yeah my numbers are Mbps not MBps
I have 100/10 HFC cable Internet service with typical performance of 110-120 Mbps.
Charter Spectrum (formerly Time Warner Cable). Generally very consistent performance, with only very slight slowdown during peak hours. No data caps, either.
Upload speeds are a constant 11.5-12 Mbps almost all the time.
Wi-Fi is serviced by a NETGEAR Nighthawk X4S 802.11ac Wave 2 router (model R7800) with 4x4:4 MU-MIMO. Tests indicated peak speeds of about 500 Mbps under ideal conditions using a 2x2 MIMO device and typical speeds of 200-300 Mbps about 8-10 feet from the router (more or less, haven't done a huge amount of testing).

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