Root Access

Circus Cat

00:21

@Avery And add even more bulk? No thanks

Avery

@CircusCat um

hdd caddies replace dvd drive

Journeyman Geek

ODD slot? ;p

Circus Cat

And what slot would that be?

Michael Frank

What if Cat uses the optical drive?!

Bob

@MichaelFrank We're not playing Jeopardy here

Circus Cat

00:22

Yeah because my laptop has so many DVD drives

@MichaelFrank Then I would have bought a laptop that had an optical drive slot

Michael Frank

I figured it wouldn't.

Twisty

I just flagged several comments as "No longer needed" on a post. Two of them immediately disappeared. My flagging history shows them as "helpful". How did that happen? Did I win an election without knowing it? :)

Journeyman Geek

@Twisty or lurking mod

hm, no

Unless it was a few hours ago

Twisty

No, this just happened.

Journeyman Geek

odd

Link?

Twisty

00:33

It didn't seem like mod action since the comments literally disappeared in front of my face.

Comments were all on

88

A: Can't delete folder and I am admin. "You need permission to perform this action. You require permission from..."

I am not sure why this happens but there is a workaround. To take control of the folder containing the undeletable create a text file called “delete.bat” and add the following lines to it: SET DIRECTORY_NAME="C:\Locked Directory" TAKEOWN /f %DIRECTORY_NAME% /r /d y ICACLS %DIRECTORY_NAME% /gran...

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Ok, looks like that was the case

and you're not the only one

and I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON 0_0

Will check and revert

Twisty

The comments were the real standard "+1 thanks" type

Perhaps the system has some auto-approve mechanism?

Journeyman Geek

could be, but nothing comes to mind

Twisty

If the comment meets some criteria?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek not sure if intentional...

Twisty

00:37

Maybe my flag weight got a "SELECT User(Twisty) UPDATE FlagWeight*1-gazillion;"

Bob

@Twisty If there's 3 flags the comment is auto-deleted

Journeyman Geek

35

A: A sock with 28 rep points just deleted my comment?

A sufficient number of flags (in proportion to the number of upvotes on the comment) will automatically delete a comment. The person listed in the "show deleted comments" tool as the deleter is simply the last person who flagged. Any other flaggers are not listed, which honestly I find to be a bi...

Twisty

@Bob Good thought. Maybe today is a good day to buy a lottery ticket then...

Wow, so if I open two sock accounts I can get mad comment delete powers. Innnteresting.

Bob

@Twisty you can also get mad account delete powers, just with restricted targeting ;)

Twisty

points nuclear targeting device at self

Journeyman Geek

00:43

... restricted?

Ben N

@Twisty Certain keywords in the comment allow for instant deletion from one flag

e.g. various profanities but also things relating to accepting the answer

Bob

huh, that's new

Ben N

That's been the case for a while IIRC

24

A: flagged comments disappear instantly ... what's going on?

Depends on what you're flagging. If you flag a comment with "accept rate" in it or one which contains a common cuss word (for various definitions of 'common'), it'll disappear with a single flag.

Bob

o.O

Circus Cat

Why allow cuss words in the first place if they'll be insta-deleted with one flag#

Twisty

00:51

@BenN Good to know. That post is sadly vague on what exactly the criteria is. And unfortunately I can't go back and see what those comments said.

Ben N

"Thanks" might also qualify, not sure

Twisty

Yeah, pretty sure that was in at least one of them. Now that I know this is possible I'll pay more attention. As always, you're such a knowledgeable resource!!

Ben N

Thanks :)

That Brazilian Pony

insta-deletes @BenN's comment

Circus Cat

##s/'s comment//

I Am A Bot

00:57

@CircusCat insta-deletes @BenN (source)

That Brazilian Pony

@IAmABot I'm sure there's a PowerShell command for that!

2

Journeyman Geek

01:39

@Bob >_>

Its an indianism isn't it? ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek yea, wasn't sure if you were joking or not :P

Journeyman Geek

01:52

Lets assume I was ;p

Circus Cat

02:28

No

Also, hi Bob

Don't suppose you know anyone in Australia looking to adopt a cat? Potentially with circus credentials?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob sooo, I just realised my 8gb Jellies have "3.44 gb" of space on them

I've popped the maker a message over kickstarter... but it seems kinda odd?

also their webpage won't be up for a few hours soooo I can't actually di a proper support request

Michael Frank

These things? kickstarter.com/projects/jellyphone/…

Journeyman Geek

yup

Michael Frank

They seem coooool

Bob

@JourneymanGeek sounds fairly normal to me

Journeyman Geek

02:39

@Bob >_> space being less than half as what's listed?

rahuldottech

@CircusCat Wait so... You're in AU now?

Bob

@CircusCat uh...

Michael Frank

My 16GB iPhone only has 10GB of usable space.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek when it's small to start with? yes.

@JourneymanGeek think in terms of absolute space and overheads, not in terms of relative space

it's not "less than half", it's "around 4.5 GB taken"

Michael Frank

OS gotta live somewhere

Bob

02:41

which is usually OS + system partition

Journeyman Geek

ah

Oh, those are seperate partitions?

Bob

(system data partition is semi-independent of the core OS)

Journeyman Geek

ohhhhh

that makes sense

Bob

@JourneymanGeek depends on the specific phone, but yes

Journeyman Geek

I'm going to stick a microsd card in it in future

rahuldottech

02:42

@MichaelFrank Why would anyone get a 16 GB iPhone though? Curious, since that's not very useful, and iPhones are expensive anyway...

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Ones I've seen in the past are something like core OS/system, plus a partition for apps, plus a user data partition. Apps get installed in that middle one.

Michael Frank

@rahuldottech Cause I didn't pay for it. :)

Journeyman Geek

ahh

Bob

So you can run out of app storage even with free space in the user data partition.

Journeyman Geek

eh, not throwing that much on this

Bob

02:43

I've also seen system crash logs get chucked on the app partition

Journeyman Geek

installs whatsapp and watches all the space melt away

Bob

which you then need root to clear... bleh. that was back in the 2.3 days though

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek That should be okay if you don't get a lot of media

Journeyman Geek

lol

cough

ITS ALL OLD PEOPLE

So yes

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek Oh, so disable media downloads and set up some sort of autoreply script "AHAH! Good! Nice!" for everytime someone sends you a vid

Bob

02:47

lol

which reminds me, I still need to look at matrix

and any wechat bridges that might exist

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech hah! I just ignore the damned thing

Bob

@rahuldottech autoreply with that photo of ash tilting his head :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/7074g5/…

0_0

Bob

@JourneymanGeek wat.

the camera itself isn't the hard part, but I'd have no idea where to get a newspaper

Journeyman Geek

lol

My parents still buy the newspaper ;p

Michael Frank

03:17

Print the frontpage of local news site.

Journeyman Geek

Print the email. Put your phone next to it with google maps on a wooden table. Photograph....

then ask for a fax number...

whoo recapped on MSE yesterday

bwDraco

03:39

I think I found a smoking gun in the event logs with this whole network adapter issue on this netbook:

> Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 Wireless Network Adapter : Has determined that the network adapter is not functioning properly.

Qcamain10x64 event 5002.

This is strongly related to the Bluetooth issues. Bluetooth is handled by the same NIC.

I hope this does not need to be sent in.

technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd408456(v=ws.10).aspx

Disabling and reenabling the network adapter fixes it.

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek linky?

bwDraco

However, with the Bluetooth issues, a reboot that does not involve the system powering down does not help, suggesting a hardware problem.

If these problems get worse, I'm going to contact Lenovo and tell them I'm having problems with this system's network adapter.

community.spiceworks.com/topic/…

rofl @ "losing sleep and hair"

I don't know if Lenovo still uses NIC whitelists but regardless, I don't want to change any hardware while the system is under warranty.

rahuldottech

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@jou

bwDraco

Synopsis: Bluetooth intermittently stops working (typically once or twice a week); this can happen while the system is actively being used and powering down the system is required to recover. Wi-Fi also intermittently fails, usually after resuming from sleep, but disabling and reenabling the network adapter usually works. Any ideas?

Driver problem or network adapter hardware issue?

Journeyman Geek

@rahuldottech that's a very strange looking box...

rahuldottech

03:54

@JourneymanGeek haha, yeah

Journeyman Geek

this is the sort of slightly less dodgy chinese phone.

rahuldottech

@JourneymanGeek yeah. I'd get it if the screen was maybe half an inch wider and WiFi was better and if it was more reasonably priced

Journeyman Geek

.... that's a really nutty SAK

@rahuldottech wifi on mine's fine. Price, eh. I GUESS. the screen is all the meh

@rahuldottech meta.stackexchange.com/questions/300876/… and meta.stackexchange.com/questions/300829/…

@bwDraco they do AFAIK

@rahuldottech wifi on this is ok as long as you don't try to change the battery settings...

the cut off he reports happens.

I need to do the indica test on this ._.

@bwDraco they might also have lenovo specific firmware.

@rahuldottech that guy annoys me ;p

bwDraco

anandtech.com/show/11838/…

Interesting motherboard design.

I wonder if there are consumer motherboards that use horizontally-oriented processor sockets...

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco actually, looks very conventional for a workstation

and thank $deity no sleds.

bwDraco

04:03

(Threadripper uses a server socket FWIW, which might benefit from such a design, though is limited to 1S)

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco those probably are server sockets...

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek It's LGA 3647.

Xeon Scalable.

Journeyman Geek

(I've worked with this class of machine, professionally, in the past)

bwDraco

I was wondering if consumer Threadripper boards, which use an even larger Socket TR4 (LGA 4094), would benefit from this sort of arrangement...

rahuldottech

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bwDraco

04:06

It would probably require a nonstandard motherboard layout, though, which would seriously limit case compatibility.

Motherboard manufacturers have tried things like XL-ATX in the past, but primarily to support more expansion slots rather than to cope with an unusually large processor socket.

If you look at, say, the Asus ROG Zenith Extreme motherboard, you'll notice just how cramped it is. The part of the VRM above the socket has to be placed right at the edge of the board, simply because the VRM and socket combined span nearly the entire length of the area above the expansion slots.

XKCD

I always figured you should never bring a gun to a gun fight because then you'll be part of a gun fight.

bwDraco

The fundamental problem here is that this is a server socket on a consumer motherboard.

rahuldottech

I just realized that women wearing Burqas won't be able to use Face ID

bwDraco

Hence the question: Would a workstation-style motherboard layout (case compatibility layout be damned) be better for Ryzen Threadripper X399 systems?

Journeyman Geek

hm. Probably not

bwDraco

04:14

Anybody going to make an SSI-EEB, SSI-MEB, or SWTX board for Threadripper? :P

It might not seem to make a lot of sense for a single-socket platform, but considering the sheer amount of connectivity the platform allows for, with 64 PCIe lanes, as well as the size of the socket...

Journeyman Geek

I read SWTX as STX

and went... whut?

bwDraco

FWIW, most EATX boards are 12"x10.7", not the full 12"x13". Problem is, most cases are not designed to handle full EATX boards.

(Astaroth is planned to use the Crosshair VI Extreme, which is 12"x10.6" EATX.)

bwDraco

04:40

I really want Supermicro to throw its hat into the X399 ring. They're making EPYC boards and servers - why not bring that expertise to the enthusiast segment? They're already making Intel X299 and Z270 gaming boards.

Also, why is there no Supermicro AMD X370 board?

Bob

04:56

I'm so confused

there's a Nokia display in the mall

*checks year*

Journeyman Geek

Help! I've put the wrong type of electricity in my Tesla… — Nicholas Shanks 14 hours ago

bwDraco

Speaking of workstations... do I want a single "jack-of-all-trades" system, or should I look into a separate workstation build?

Assume budget is unlimited.

Journeyman Geek

eh

The former

bwDraco

Feb 26 '15 at 23:34, by DragonLord

Any conceivable application for a PC Gamer LPC-level system?

Well, so much has changed since...

Journeyman Geek

Unless you need stuff like Firepro/Quadros, or wanted to save on power costs...

bwDraco

05:06

Affordable 8C processors, massive improvements in GPU performance...

Journeyman Geek

Well, what's a workstation here?

My current (actually pretty old) PC has better specifications than the (even older) workstation class machine I was using at $studio

bwDraco

Dedicated work system, with AMD Ryzen Threadripper, Intel Core X-Series, Xeon W, or even Xeon Scalable.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco no reason you can't surf the web, or game on it

bwDraco

(though sourcing the parts to build a 2P Xeon Scalable system by hand is... hard; server processors, motherboards, coolers, etc. are not usually found at retail)

Journeyman Geek

eh, there's that, but most people who want those machines .... buy a workstation with support

cause those things are a $8-10K investment...

bwDraco

05:11

HP Z6 G4?

7 mins ago, by bwDraco

Assume budget is unlimited.

Journeyman Geek

Dell 7000 series

I don't remember the exact model, been a while

bwDraco

Here's the truth. My photo editing software will happily use 16 hardware threads. But 2S/56C/112T? I seriously doubt I will ever have a valid use for this sort of compute capability.

Journeyman Geek

lol nope

heck, that's probably overkill even for non-distributed rendering...

bwDraco

Not now, not at any point in the foreseeable future.

Journeyman Geek

I think the most we had was 2S 20C 40T...

and that basically was only an issue when someone tried to render.. a rat

bwDraco

05:15

@JourneymanGeek These days, you can get this sort of compute in a single socket and it's not even that expensive.

Heck, a single socket on a consumer platform.

*cough* Ryzen Threadripper 1950X *cough* Core i9-7980XE *cough*

Bob

@JourneymanGeek $8-10k? really?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob the higher end stuff's pricy

Bob

back at oldjob we got a rather beefy full-on server for $12k

and half of that was the support contract

bwDraco

@Bob This is a dual-socket server platform repurposed for workstation use.

I guess I answered my own question. "Unlimited budget to build a super-workstation PC" != "more productivity".

After all, photo editing is not exactly something I do every single day. It's typically more like 4-8 hours a week.

And despite RawTherapee's strong core scaling, there's probably little to be gained beyond 12-16 cores.

(read: Amdahl's law)

If I were building a dedicated workstation for this purpose, I might as well just go with Threadripper.

I cannot conceive of any application I would run on my personal systems that would ever require more than 16 cores, let alone 56. Heck, I can't really find a use for more than 8C/16T.

Bob

@bwDraco yes, the machine I'm talking about was dual-Xeon

E5 IIRC

can't remember the exact model number

bwDraco

05:22

So... what sort of CAD or other professional application would utilize all these cores?

Specific examples?

Rendering is the most obvious example, but what other applications would use >16C/32T?

Bob

approximately nothing

it's for virtualisation use, mostly

bwDraco

There are emerging consumer workloads like real-time game streaming that can require more than 8C/16T in certain situations (hence the new HEDT platforms) but there's nothing I know of can use more than 18C/36T (i9-7980XE) in a consumer environment.

Bob

nah, you'd want more machines for that

gaming is too latency-sensitive

bwDraco

This was mainly an exercise in "how far can I go and still benefit?"

reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6c8m6i/how_will_you_use_16_cores

Bob

diminishing returns after 2 cores

very little after 4

somewhere around none after 8

bwDraco

05:35

The most realistic use cases in that Reddit thread involve some kind of professional or workstation application.

@Bob I do have a use for 16 hardware threads, possibly more, but certainly not 100+ threads.

Bob

you have a use, but a good use?

bwDraco

23 mins ago, by bwDraco

Here's the truth. My photo editing software will happily use 16 hardware threads. But 2S/56C/112T? I seriously doubt I will ever have a valid use for this sort of compute capability.

Bob

eh

that would fail my price/benefit analysis

you might think it's worth it, in which case, go ahead

but bets are the majority of time spent isn't actually in a render

and I'd be curious how cost effective offloading to EC2 might be, for something bursty like this

if it takes enough time to matter, then it's probably worth offloading

if it's quick enough that's not worth it, then it's already quick enough that beefing up the local hardware won't have a huge effect

if you want to pay more to reduce complexity, that's another option

and perfectly valid

just depends what your priorities are

DavidPostill

06:08

:)

Journeyman Geek

noice.

Also pretty fast 0_0

20k to go ol chap ;p

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek That's a bit harder now I'm working - I'm not writing as many answers and less likely to hit HNQ ...

Journeyman Geek

hah.

@DavidPostill You do realise it took me like.... 7 years or so to hit 80K right? ;p

No rush

DavidPostill

lol

bwDraco

I discovered a way to set the charging target voltage on my phone \o/

/sys/class/power_supply/battery/voltage_max

Defaults to 4320 (4.32V) on the OnePlus 3T.

I wonder if the phone's BMS is willing to allow dangerous voltages...

4.5V is the max allowed.

That's still too high.

The value is ignored while Dash Charging.

(the absolute max for this chemistry AFAIK is 4.4V)

This obviously requires root. I suspect it'll function on any device with a recent Qualcomm Snapdragon.

I can finally programmatically limit charge level \o/

But being able to overcharge the battery? That's why root access is not a toy.

/sys/class/power_supply/battery/voltage_max_design is 4370 but the max voltage adjustment operates in 20 mV increments.

That means the battery is not designed to be charged past 4.37V.

Journeyman Geek

06:52

bbc.com/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-41268025

that is a particularly... dirty lizard

bwDraco

wtf.

Bob

lol

rahuldottech

07:16

@CircusCat hahaha

Sathya

07:30

Jeff Atwood is coming to India

but Jodhpur :(

rahuldottech

@Sathya OW

Bob

@Sathya oh hey, haven't seen you in a while

@Sathya Jodhpur?

Sathya

@Bob howdy!

@bob yep, jodhpur - north-west India

only 1950 kms from bangalore :p goo.gl/maps/HofV8V1fxCR2

allquixotic

I'm getting the iPhone 8 Plus -- there are enormous flaws with the iPhone X, from worse battery life (than the iPhone 8 Plus - wtf Apple), to the fact that 99% of apps aren't smart enough to accommodate the curved edges, apparently even Safari, and will crop your picture, basically defeating the purpose of the bezel-less display

rahuldottech

@Sathya Will he be coming to Delhi?

@allquixotic Wait... iPhone X is supposed to have 2 hours of extra battery life

allquixotic

07:36

@rahuldottech nope I read it has less

Sathya

@rahuldottech nope

rahuldottech

@Sathya sucks

Bob

@allquixotic don't you have the 7 plus right now? :P

rahuldottech

@allquixotic uh...

> Apple says the iPhone X battery lasts 2 hours longer than the iPhone 7

allquixotic

@Bob yes

rahuldottech

07:36

Oh, right

than the iPhone 7

allquixotic

@rahuldottech well that's not surprising, the 7 (non-Plus) has worse battery life than the 7 Plus / 8 Plus

rahuldottech

(source)

Journeyman Geek

07:51

bbs.boingboing.net/t/…

> It’s like the decisions at HP are being made by small children or perhaps cunning dogs.

ahem dogs are somewhat smarter than that.

rahuldottech

iPhone X: Top 5 Questions Answered!

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@all

rahuldottech

08:32

Mommadottech is in court today. Custody battle. I don't feel too good about this.

Bob

08:55

@Ramhound Thanks for the edit, but I was actually hunting down an S8 screenshot specifically :P Then I learned that image upload from URL is busted on the mobile site.

Burgi

morning

do you think NK was aiming for saturn? ;)

rahuldottech

@Burgi Wha... Did I miss something?

Burgi

09:17

humanity bombed saturn with a nuclear powered spaceship

NK launched another missile over japan

rahuldottech

09:29

I GOT PIZZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Burgi

ffs!

we've lost another customer :(

user226528

Do you need my help finding him? ;p

rahuldottech

@Burgi how?

Burgi

luckily not through incompetence

they've been sold to someone else and they have an inhouse dev team

rahuldottech

@Burgi ah, the company bought and shut down thing?

Ahh

Burgi

09:49

annoying though

Avery

10:00

@rahuldottech nice

rahuldottech

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Faheem Mitha

10:24

There seem to be a scattering of Indians here. So, does anyone know what the deal is with this wretched Aadhar card? The Supreme Court seems to have ruled that is can't be forced down people's throats, but the govt is doing it anyway.

rahuldottech

@FaheemMitha Oh, that thing

Faheem Mitha

@rahuldottech Yes, that thing.

Most people seem to be getting the thing, apparently untroubled by the implications.

rahuldottech

It's basically an identity card system, with a number unique for everyone based off of biometric data

Faheem Mitha

@rahuldottech Yes, I know what it is.

rahuldottech

Yeah, I got one too... When I was like eight years old

Faheem Mitha

10:33

@rahuldottech oh

rahuldottech

See, most people do not know the privacy implications, or do not understand them

Faheem Mitha

@rahuldottech Yes, well. These things can still come back to bite you, even if you don't understand them.

rahuldottech

The problem is that more and more things require having an aadhar card now, including getting a SIM card

And all bank accounts are linked to them

So the government can track literally everything that you do

Faheem Mitha

I was watching citizenfour just a couple of days ago, and Jacob Applebaum described the scenario of an Aadhar card exactly. Very chilling. That whole linking thing they are so obsessed about.

@rahuldottech The Supreme Court is supposed to be protecting citizen's rights. I'm just wondering what the hell they are doing.

@rahuldottech I got a SIM card a couple of days ago without an Aadhar card.

rahuldottech

Also, there are no stringent laws stopping companies from storing biometric data

Faheem Mitha

10:36

@rahuldottech Sure. But we're talking about the govt not companies.

rahuldottech

@FaheemMitha It's compulsory to link them before feb 2018

Faheem Mitha

A company isn't going to put you in a reservation camp one day because you happen to be a Muslim.

@rahuldottech So I've heard. But thanks for letting me know.

rahuldottech

@FaheemMitha See, for example

If you get one of those Jio thingies

They scan your fingerprint, and pass it over their proprietary software to the govt servers to check data

Faheem Mitha

@rahuldottech How lovely.

rahuldottech

And... even though they're not supposed to store that, there's nothing stopping them

Faheem Mitha

10:39

But Jio is Reliance == the Ambanis. Who, I am reliably informed, are evil.

rahuldottech

Indeed

Faheem Mitha

@rahuldottech Sure. That's what everyone does.

Including Google, probably. And Facebook, definitely.

rahuldottech

@FaheemMitha Google too

Faheem Mitha

@rahuldottech We don't know for sure.

rahuldottech

See, as far as I can tell, if you have a card already, that basically means that the govt has your biometric info, which is meh

The way to go is to avoid using it wherever possible

Faheem Mitha

10:40

@rahuldottech Avoid using what?

rahuldottech

@FaheemMitha the card

Faheem Mitha

The linking is the real bad thing. Which is why they are so keen on it, I suppose.

@rahuldottech The Aadhar card?

rahuldottech

@FaheemMitha yeah

See, I get that it's convenient. But it can very easily be misused in majorly scary ways

Faheem Mitha

@rahuldottech Ok. Well, I don't have one yet. But I'm definitely feeling the pressure.

rahuldottech

@FaheemMitha Eh, don't get one yet

Faheem Mitha

10:42

I'm hoping the Supreme Court will get the Govt off our collective backs, but I'm not holding my breath.

@rahuldottech I'm holding off for as long as possible.

rahuldottech

Most places accept PAN cards or passports as valid proof

Faheem Mitha

But if my phone numbers and bank accounts are shut off because I don't have one, I won't have a choice.

rahuldottech

My SIM is in the name of a family member, so my card isn't linked their either

@FaheemMitha Banks accept PAN cards now too, idk about the future

Faheem Mitha

I suppose I could live without a bank account and phones, but I don't think I want the experience.

The main problem right now is that the Tax Dept. is requiring the Aadhar card to submit taxes.

Which is possibly illegal, since the Supreme Court thing is still up in the air.

I'm getting threats from multiple directions, but nobody has actually tried to shut anything off yet.

rahuldottech

@FaheemMitha Since when has it even mattered in our country, legal or not

Faheem Mitha

10:45

@rahuldottech Well, if anything goes, why bother with the Supreme Court, or any court, for that matter?

@rahuldottech Btw, you're in North India? I'm in Bombay.

Nice to meet you. We're probably talked before, but I don't remember.

rahuldottech

@FaheemMitha I'm in North India, yep

@FaheemMitha You too. I don't remember talking to you either, although I've seen you around here :)

Faheem Mitha

@rahuldottech Yes, I'm often idling in this room, though I'm not really active in chat. Or on the site.

Burgi

so is this card an ID card of some kind?

jokerdino

yes

Burgi

is it a legal requirement for all indians to have one?

jokerdino

10:59

only recently

but the court is looking into it to see if it is constitutional

tereško

11:22

so ... any thoughts on Sony XZ1?

Burgi

@jokerdino please excuse my next question if it sounds insensitive; but what about the people in rural india and the slums who haven't heard they need ID cards?

Sathya

11:41

@Burgi they're being told that they need them

more like forcefed

the public distribution system (basically a govt shop which gives grains/oil etc at really subsidised rates) is the main place where this is hit, many are told they need the card to avail them

Burgi

is it expensive to get the card?

jokerdino

@Burgi if they haven't heard of it, they will when they are going to avail of services in the future.

@Burgi na, it's free

you just need to give your fingerprint, photo, iris image and all your PII.

Burgi

this sounds like the prelude to tax reform tbh

"oh look we have found 100 million people who aren't paying tax"

jokerdino

after that, it is linked to every thing from tax payment, mobile records, internet connection, bank accounts and whatever else.

@Burgi I think I have heard that already :D

Sathya

@Burgi it's free to get it but people have found a way to make money

@Burgi we already have a card for tracking finance and tax payment

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