Root Access

bwDraco

00:32

Meet Sandsifter, the world's first truly exhaustive x86 ISA fuzzer: github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/sandsifter

This is a hacker's (and processor designer's!) power tool like nothing else out there.

> Sandsifter has uncovered secret processor instructions from every major vendor; ubiquitous software bugs in disassemblers, assemblers, and emulators; flaws in enterprise hypervisors; and both benign and security-critical hardware bugs in x86 chips.

Burgi

why though?

bwDraco

We all implicitly trust the processors that run our software, but nobody's subjected them to deep analysis of this sort.

Until now.

Burgi

ok

Journeyman Geek

I implicitly trust it would be too much trouble :p

Burgi

my neighbour is watching movies loudly

the other night he was watching mama mia at 4am

i was lying in bed trying to sleep suffering through abba covers

forcing someone to listen to abba should carry the death penalty

bwDraco

00:50

github.com/xoreaxeaxeax/sandsifter/blob/master/references/…

Burgi

01:00

does ford make an electric car?

bwDraco

Ford Focus Electric

The Ford Focus Electric is a 5-door hatchback electric car produced by Ford. The Focus Electric is Ford's second full production, all-electric vehicle (the first being the Ford Ranger EV), and production began in December 2011. The Focus Electric shares the glider of a third generation Ford Focus. Its electric powertrain originally used a 23 kWh liquid-cooled lithium-ion battery pack, which delivers a range of 76 mi (122 km) according to the United States Environmental Protection Agency. The 2017 model uses a 35 kWh liquid-cooled lithium-ion battery pack which delivers an range of 115 mi (185 km...

Burgi

hmm... i wonder if they have one at the dealership tomorrow

i feel i should at least test an electric car to see if they are any fun

Burgi

01:19

i'll be honest, ford don't seem to be fully on board with electric unlike nissan and VW

Burgi

01:38

LOOK!

in the car park at my local ford dealership!

~~weird mars rovers~~ cherry pickers

nn

Ben N

Night

allquixotic

why?

we didn't lose power and I haven't even had my desktop on

Avery

03:44

@Rahul2001 @ me when you get online

Rahul2001

04:20

@Avery Telegram?

@Avery Okay, telegram isn't working

Gossipmonger please

Avery

alrighty

allquixotic

06:37

inspirobot.me

djsmiley2k

o/

allquixotic

djsmiley2k

I lol'd

allquixotic

djsmiley2k

allquixotic

06:41

@djsmiley2k lol

djsmiley2k

I think that should be our room motto ;D

allquixotic

djsmiley2k

bored then @allquixotic /:D

Rahul2001

07:01

New CSS ruined YouTube

Bob

hm

@allquixotic O_O

Rahul2001

Squirrels In My Pants - Phineas and Ferb - Official Video

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Phineas and Ferb - Ain't Got Rhythm

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Gitchee Gitchee Goo with lyrics

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PHINEAS AND FERB!!!!

satibel

07:34

@allquixotic the problem is that you are running on half 240V :p

Rahul2001

1. Google search "How to keep privacy on internet". 2. Drown in irony. .@duckduckgo

Tweeted by rahuldottech on July 29, 2017 at 7:43 AM

djsmiley2k

08:23

@Rahul2001 ...

Ridiculing those who try to educate themslves

djsmiley2k

09:18

Boooooooooooored

5 hours sleep, yet I feel more awake than I have all week?!

satibel

The Pierces "Boring"

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djsmiley2k

09:31

lol

at work

might pop some music on my headphones in a lil while

Learner

09:44

Never thought I would ask a question here like this

Michael Frank

It's always DNS.

Learner

not in my case

DavidPostill

@Learner What question?

Learner

This one

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Q: How to make disk usable

I had a tv recorder with 1 TB WD 3.5 drive... I removed the drive and attached it to my computer. Now I can see it in disk management but not in my computer, I think it's because it's on a different file system ? How can I make it use-able on my computer ? and possibly in future attach it back t...

hard-drive

DavidPostill

@Learner Your point is? We don't normally dump our questions in chat after only 15 minutes hoping to get a faster answer.

Michael Frank

09:54

Straight off, it'll be either encrypted, or a propriety format from the manufacturer.

Learner

@DavidPostill i didn't you asked for it :)

DavidPostill

@Learner Not exactly - "Never thought I would ask a question here like this"

Learner

@DavidPostill To be hoenst it's funny, you fall in trap and now blaming me lol

DavidPostill

@Learner You do realise it is dangerous to set traps for moderators? :)

Michael Frank

Hey, let's antagonise a mod of the site we're trying to get an answer on...

Learner

09:59

I think it was a light weight joke ;)

Learner

10:12

Done, thank you used DiskPart

djsmiley2k

10:40

@Learner He who sets traps for dragons, must realise dragons are traps for him

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank or ext of some flavour

with some crazy internal file structure

twitches

bwDraco

roar

Was up by 4:45 today. Didn't exactly sleep well

djsmiley2k

11:07

i had 5 hours sleep, and forgot my pills. I feel AWESOME

I need to figure out how to do my pills before work, so I can sleep like this every night

Bob

@JourneymanGeek you should get that looked at :P

allquixotic

11:26

> A new release of ZOL is available for running the ZFS file-system natively on Linux. This ZFS On Linux v0.7 update does bring a number of new features.

ZFS On Linux 0.7 introduces resumable send/receive support, compressed send/receive, multiple import protection, scrub pause/resume capabilities, delegations, large dnodes, cryptographic checksums, JBOD management, and a wide array of performance improvements.

Among the performance work in ZFS On Linux 0.7 is compressed ARC, vectorized RAIDZ, vectorized checksums, GZIP compression offloading, metadata performance work, and faster RAIDZ r…

wonder when that'll hit Ubuntu 16.04

(for my dedi)

Burgi

with laptop chargers is it ok to go a little over on amps?

allquixotic

@Burgi probably depends on its chineseum content

Burgi

well this one claims to be an official toshiba one

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi there's often more than one varient...

so its usually fine if its official

@Bob I was once tasked with attempting data recovery on a pure chinesium DVR...

it was one of those models that got hacked and... it was an amazingly annoying process

djsmiley2k

@Burgi how much is 'a little'

I'd be wary of something actually pulling the full amount in the first place...

Bob

11:44

@Burgi over how?

what's the rating on either end?

Journeyman Geek

(old thinkpads had 45 and 60w varient PSUs)

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek Dell do this a lot

allquixotic

Bob

@allquixotic the compressed ARC and ABD sound useful

there was a reason I wanted ABD but I can't remember now...

djsmiley2k

12:10

What's ABD?

Bob

@djsmiley2k wiki.freebsd.org/201602StorageSummit/ZFS

> ABD (ARC Buf Data) - filling the ARC with scatter-gather list of page_t's instead of contiguous kernel VA

djsmiley2k

ah k

djsmiley2k

12:30

That moment someone tells you their email address.... @yahoo.com

-_-

djsmiley2k

12:41

haah Systemd... theregister.co.uk/2017/07/28/black_hat_pwnie_awards

That REDACTED Guy

14:24

@djsmiley2k Not me, I use neither.

Nick

hi

bwDraco

Just updated my main server to openSUSE Leap 42.3 yesterday. It's still systemd.

Nick

@bwDraco What model is your server?

bwDraco

Linode VPS. 1 GB plan.

KVM virtualization. Single-core Xeon, 1 GB RAM, 20 GB storage, 1 TB outbound transit. $5/month.

Nick

Cool. $5/mo sounds very affordable.

@bwDraco Do you run, like, hypervisors?

bwDraco

14:37

It's a VPS, so you can't really run VMs on top.

Nick

XD I'm trying to learn. My apologies for dumb questions.

@bwDraco Ok, so what do you use the VPS for mostly?

bwDraco

Fortunately, it's easy to spin up new instances and copy data in a matter of minutes.

Bob

@bwDraco Sure you can, you just need kvm with nested virt

bwDraco

@Nick I have two servers, both 1 GB. One runs my (barebones) website and a custom Firefox Sync instance, the other is a VNC "cloud desktop".

Bob

some (most?) VPS providers enable that

bwDraco

14:39

@Bob Not sure this is possible on the host in question...

I've never tried it, and 1 GB isn't a lot of RAM for this.

@Nick I've been a Linode customer for almost four years. Started out when their servers ran $20 for 1 GB.

Nick

@bwDraco So, it's like 20GB hosting space?

bwDraco

It's 20 GB disk space. Since it's a VPS, you have root access.

You can partition it in any way you see fit.

Nick

@bwDraco I can give you some of my RAM. Is that possible via cloud?

bwDraco

Eh, not really.

It's bound to the host.

Nick

XD It should be, shouldn't it? It would be a lot easier if people could share computing with eachother.

bwDraco

14:45

I'm not low or anything.

Journeyman Geek

You can just download moar ram

Nick

Can I have a looksee at your barebone website? @bwDraco

bwDraco

@Nick fierydragonlord.com

Nick

@bwDraco Wow, you only pay $5/mo for that!? That's super neat. I love linode!

bwDraco

You can do far more than you think with 1 GB of RAM.

@Nick Also consider DigitalOcean.

You're on shared hosting, I suppose?

On a VPS, you need to set up all the server software yourself unless you pay for managed service.

Linode has some excellent tutorials you can go through.

Nick

14:50

@bwDraco I have a local community for DigitalOcean. I should probably join them.

bwDraco

Also, that webpage is just some relatively simple responsive CSS and HTML, with a little sprinkle of PHP.

Nick

@bwDraco Your site looks like it was autogenerated from an Evernote note... or perhaps, a trial of Jekyll.

bwDraco

@Nick It's handcoded.

Nick

@bwDraco Hide some ASCII ducks meowing or something in the sauce code. Those are fun easter eggs to have on any site.

bwDraco

I knew someone who got their DO account locked because their server got compromised. Hence, the first thing you need to do is replacing password authentication with public key auth.

I didn't make that mistake, but make sure the most obvious points of entry are secured. Fail2ban can provide an extra line of defense.

The CSS is at fierydragonlord.com/styles.css:

html {
    font-family: Candara, Calibri, Optima, "Liberation Sans", "Arial Light", sans-serif;
    font-size: large;
}
p {
    text-align: justify;
}
img {
    max-width: 100%;
}
blockquote {
    background-color: #F0F0F0;
    margin-left:32px;
    margin-right:32px;
}
footer {
    font-size: smaller;
}

.code {
    font-family: Consolas, "Courier New", "Liberation Mono", "Droid Sans Mono", monospace;
    background-color: #F0F0F0;
}
.top-header {
    color: darkred;
    text-decoration: none;

Nick

14:58

Public key auth reminds me... My dad used to work on and manage AS/400 systems. I'd sit all day in his server room whenever I wasn't too well to go to school or whenever I was too lazy. He had this thing called RSA Secure ID. It was the most beautiful thing I'd ever seen. It's a thing on the keychain that tells you your new password.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Nick

@NotDog I know this is you, Dog. You're not fooling anybody.

bwDraco

That's actually two-factor. You can do this on your phone today.

Journeyman Geek

I have something similar on my phone

Nick

I would love some names :D

bwDraco

14:59

Google Authenticator.

play.google.com/store/apps/…

A lot of online services support it. Linode supports it. Microsoft supports it. Yahoo supports it. Ubisoft (Uplay) supports it.

Nick

Could I make a two-factor thingy? Is that hard? A keychain that has a dirty word as the password, which keeps changing at some random interval of time. How would I get started on that project?

bwDraco

2FA has gone mainstream.

@Nick It's already implemented in software as a smartphone app. Don't roll your own crypto.

2 mins ago, by bwDraco

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.authentica‌tor2&hl=en

Nick

@bwDraco Aww, I thought dirty word passphrases in l33t5p34k would be trendy XD

bwDraco

Time-based One-time Password Algorithm

The Time-based One-Time Password algorithm (TOTP) is an algorithm that computes a one-time password from a shared secret key and the current time. It has been adopted as Internet Engineering Task Force standard RFC 6238, is the cornerstone of Initiative For Open Authentication (OATH), and is used in a number of two-factor authentication systems. TOTP is an example of a hash-based message authentication code (HMAC). It combines a secret key with the current timestamp using a cryptographic hash function to generate a one-time password. Because network latency and out-of-sync clocks can result in...

Google Authenticator implements TOTP.

Nick

You know, I have never learnt as much in a lecture hall as much as I learn by just asking questions in this room.

@bwDraco Google Inc. has too much stuff. So much stuff. I wonder if they need a curator.

bwDraco

15:05

@Nick This is why they're restructured. Alphabet Inc. is the parent company of Google.

Alphabet Inc.

Alphabet Inc. is an American multinational conglomerate created in a corporate restructuring on October 2, 2015. It is the parent company of Google and several former Google subsidiaries. The two founders of Google assumed executive roles in the new company, with Larry Page serving as CEO and Sergey Brin as President. The company is based in Mountain View, California. It has over 72,053 employees as of 2017. Alphabet's portfolio encompasses several industries, including technology, life sciences, investment capital, and research. Some of its subsidiaries include Google, Calico, GV, CapitalG, Verily...

Nick

@bwDraco Yeah, I'll try implementing TOTP one day. I like trying to do what other people do if I find it interesting enough.

bwDraco

Have fun :)

Nick

@bwDraco I hope they buy my company. What are they looking for exactly?

bwDraco

Google had way too many different businesses. Alphabet helped separate non-core businesses from Google while keeping them under one umbrella.

Nick

I see Alphabet bought Nest. My parents bought an apartment from Nest once, I think. Or maybe they just tried. Anyhow, it didn't have no IoT, man.\

bwDraco

15:09

During the restructuring, Niantic Labs, developer of Ingress and Pokémon GO, was spun off into an independent company. (Niantic started as a Google internal startup.)

Nick

@bwDraco OMG! I didn't know that. #TIL Niantic was pooped out by Google.

You know your company is swag when you have "internal startups". Wow XD

Ramhound

15:25

superuser.com/questions/154912/… << Anti Trump trash

bwDraco

Flagged as NAA.

DavidPostill

@Ramhound Rude/Abusive has taken care of it :)

Ramhound

Whatever the takes. Typically that type of thing is submitted multiple times tSo flagged it as spam (but that's just me)

DavidPostill

@Ramhound Same end result :) User has been nuked.

Ramhound

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A: no "Windows subsystem for Linux (Beta)" available

I followed this instruction: Install Linux bash on windows but there is no "Windows subsystem for Linux (Beta)" available. You don't have an eligible build of Windows 10 installed. You have 1511 but you need to have 1607 or 1703 installed. can anyone help for solving this issue? Insta...

I feel bad about answering this question

I mean it's a honest mistake I am sure but seriously it the requirements are right in the linked article

DavidPostill

15:37

@Ramhound Don't feel bad about correcting misconceptions :)

djsmiley2k

@Ramhound for you that's a rather.... friendly answer

:)

Ramhound

@djsmiley2k What are you talking about

Every single one of my answers are friendly

Commentary isn't an answer

djsmiley2k

ok

haha

Ramhound

Not saying I shouldn't always be friendly but saying I am always friendly in an answer

bwDraco

Rumors: Core i7-8700K (Coffee Lake) will have 6 cores and the fastest clock frequencies yet: 3.7-4.7 GHz. videocardz.com/71307/…

(Turbo 47/46/44/44/43/43.)

My gut tells me overclockers will be able to push past 5.2 GHz on these chips.

What will AMD's answer be?

Ramhound

15:51

That's Intel's answer to AMDs next release

Forget the name

bwDraco

Price drops? Mid-generation refreshes? Ryzen's clock speeds are already pushing the limits of the GlobalFoundries 14nm process.

@Ramhound Pinnacle Ridge?

Intel's 10nm is already behind schedule, and by the time 10nm processors are available, AMD may have the honor of selling the world's first 7nm processors. (No kidding!)

Ramhound

No Throtlle something

The base 6 core is an answer to AMD doing it with Ryzen/Throttle

The increased base frequency might be just because of process improvements since going to their 3 release schedule

bwDraco

Threadripper?

That's an HEDT platform. It's priced well above any mainstream processor.

(12C/24T @ 3.5-4.0 GHz will cost $799.)

Ramhound

Yes that's it. Intel improves their consumer models before HEDT (i.e Xeon and the new metallic cores (I.e i9s)

Bob

> The naming of process nodes by different major manufacturers (TSMC, Intel, Samsung, GloFo) is partially marketing driven and not directly related to any measurable distance on a chip - for example TSMC's 7nm node is similar in some key dimensions to Intel's 10nm node.

bwDraco

16:04

@Bob GlobalFoundries 7nm is expected to be slightly smaller than Intel 10nm.

Not a true 7nm process but enough to grant a process advantage.

I did do my research here.

Bob

@bwDraco The transistor gate pitch and interconnect pitch for GlobalFoundaries 7nm is bigger than Intel 10nm, as listed on Wikipedia

bwDraco

Odd...

Did this change?

Ah.

Bob

> As nodes have become more difficult to hit, each foundry has adopted various methods of defining what constitutes a node shrink. This is most apparent with Intel; its 10nm node is expected to be equivalent to 7nm from TSMC.

extremetech.com/computing/…

bwDraco

Well, the problem is that Intel outspends everyone else in R&D. It's a miracle that AMD isn't dead.

Ramhound

@Glorfindel Your making valid edits to answers that are not actually answers might stick with better quality answers to improve

Like this: superuser.com/review/suggested-edits/678005

bwDraco

16:10

That AMD is able to match or beat Intel's latest architecture in performance per watt with a half-node process disadvantage and far less R&D money is a miracle, full stop.

I Am A Bot

HAMMERTIME!

Bob

@bwDraco I don't see that as a problem

The problem is when fabs start misrepresenting their processes with funny marketing (read: lies)

Intel does that too, tbh

hard to say what is actually 10nm. or actually 12nm. etc..

bwDraco

Yeah.

AMD used to be behind by two full process nodes.

Bob

@bwDraco this one claims TSMC and GF 7nm will be slightly denser than Intel 10nm

bwDraco

Yeah. Conflicting information.

Bob

16:19

mostly on cell height, not pitch sizes, for TSMC

bwDraco

I suspect the two will be about the same. Even parity with Intel's most advanced process is a huge deal.

GlobalFoundries uses Samsung's process tech

Right now, AMD (GlobalFoundries) is about half a process node behind Intel.

DavidPostill

Calibri Font is now BBC News Pakistani corruption case hinges on a font :)

Nobody has quoted me yet :/

Burgi

you collapsed a government!

DavidPostill

@Burgi No I didn't! I was defending the government! I said nobody could prove that the font wasn't available!

Bob

@DavidPostill Oh look, more info. Signed documents. So, printouts most likely. I wonder just how thorough the font ID was, cause there are fonts that look similar...

djsmiley2k

16:30

for this whole thing tl;dr

bwDraco

PANOSE match?

djsmiley2k

is it that the documents can't be real, because they are printed/signed using a font that wasn't out at the specified time?

Bob

@djsmiley2k that's the allegation

but everyone is focusing on the font not being out

meanwhile I'm wondering whether they even identified the font correctly

djsmiley2k

@Bob nod

Bob

looks like there aren't many fonts that look that similar

so maybe it was an easy job :P

djsmiley2k

16:34

was the font the default for something at the proposed 'fake' time?

Burgi

@djsmiley2k doesn't matter the government has collapsed because of it

Ramhound

MSI® HOW-TO Install AMD X399 CPU

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Thats one big CPU!

Burgi

the rumour is that the army had a hand in the court proceedings

crap

my old sofa doesn't have a fire regulation label on it so no charity will collect it :(

fixer1234

@Ramhound, on the Politics site, that answer would have been wildly upvoted.

bwDraco

abcnews.go.com/Politics/…

I fear Trump may have instructed CBP and ICE officers to just be ruthless about it. He does have the power to pardon anyone for any crime for any or no reason.

salon.com/2017/07/22/…

DavidPostill

16:46

@djsmiley2k That's what they are claiming.

bwDraco

If investigations reveal that CBP/ICE officers are being instructed to disregard the law under the insurance of presidential pardons, this may be grounds for impeachment as abuse of power.

djsmiley2k

IN 2013?

> The video shows that in 2013 two U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers appeared to encourage, or at least permit, a 16-year-old Mexican high school student to drink from a bottle that tests would later reveal contained concentrated liquid methamphetamine.

Do this thing, I'll let you off in 4 years when I'm president.

bwDraco

Similar cruelty is happening under Trump.

djsmiley2k

tbh the 'drink it' thing is a actual thing here.

@bwDraco but.... if it was happening in 2013, you can't really blame him

Yes, he's not 'stopping' it, but he didn't start it either.

Ben N

Good morning everyone

bwDraco

16:50

It's ongoing and likely actively encouraged (in defiance of court orders and the law) by Trump.

djsmiley2k

lol ok

DavidPostill

@Bob One theory is that they didn't have the original documents. So they printed them again (and signed them). The reprint was done with the font that was then now available.

Burgi

no wait!

success!

djsmiley2k

:O

Burgi

the stupid label is on the bottom

djsmiley2k

16:52

in the only place you're almost sure it won't get rubbed off of

Burgi

my living room is a mess

i have two sofas and 13 PC towers

this DBAN thing is taking FOREVER

DavidPostill

@djsmiley2k lol. I was about to complain about your grammar and then I found this:

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Q: How can I explain to people that the phrase “off of ” is grammatically incorrect?

How can I explain to people that the phrase off of is grammatically incorrect? I‘ve heard this phrase used a lot, especially by Americans (though they aren't the only ones). In my understanding, off of should usually be replaced by off, as in, I took the book off the shelf as opposed to...

grammaticality prepositions phrasal-verbs off-of

djsmiley2k

of from?

err off from ?

DavidPostill

@djsmiley2k exactly. but apparently off of is ok ...

djsmiley2k

... yeah, irony.

:D

It's decided by educational speakers

DavidPostill

16:57

It is a bit Merkin though ...

djsmiley2k

I'm not one of them.

Merkin?

isn't that the genital wig?

DavidPostill

> Off of does sound barbarous to the speaker of British received pronunciations but it's common (in every sene of the word) in regional dialects such as Cockney.

@djsmiley2k lol

>Merkin may refer to:

merkin, a pubic wig
a nickname for an American, usually, though not always, derogatory
Merkin Concert Hall in Manhattan, New York City
Merkin Ball, a two-song single by the American alternative rock band Pearl Jam

Burgi

anyone need any SIMM RAM?

Hennes

Whoa ANCIENT

bwDraco

What sort of device was it taken from?

Hennes

16:59

Anyone got a MAC SE for that. Or my old Tandon 386SX-16 @ 16MHz (4x256MB for 700 guilders per MB)

But it ran windows 2.01 sooo much better with 2MiB rather than 1MiB

DavidPostill

I can just picture her Majesty saying "Off of his neck with his head" with appropriate received English accent :)

Burgi

@bwDraco a PC

Hennes

I only got one PC which is from before SIMMs
and it runs at 4,,77MHz.

bwDraco

IBM Personal Computer? wut.

Burgi

i have 3x 8MB, 4x 4MB and 2x unknown (probably 8MB) sticks

Hennes

17:04

Whoa. 8MiB per SIMM? Those are huge?

IBM XT portable

Ramhound

"Yes, he's not 'stopping' it, but he didn't start it either. " there is absolutely no proof it's happening today

satibel

I have only 4 MiB Simms

Hennes

I gave it it the hostname 'hernia'

With buil din full sides keyboard and 7' ambert CRT

Burgi

ok i just googled the 2 unknown ones and they are 16MB each

Hennes

What kind of server accepted those. Are they rank-4?

Burgi

17:06

they are from desktops

if you want it, message me on steam or something and i'll pop them in the post

i have a crap ton of DIMM too

Hennes

I just got rid of everything older than DDR-2

But I am impressed.

Ebay them for a ton of memory.

Burgi

wow SIMM is quite expensive on ebay

Hennes

Stupid. I should have said 'Yes, please!. And ebay them'>
Seriously. 16MB SIMM is big, pretty darn uber big.
And someone will have a need for them. Making them happy

Bob

@DavidPostill That's the other one I suggested the other day - that someone got a default font while opening the doc. But back then I assumed it was electronic. Re-printing/signing would be dodgy.

Burgi

@Hennes they have listings for 512MB SIMM on ebay

Hennes

17:15

512MB aor 512 MiB. The difference is a factor 8

I am surprised by how many are on ebay

satibel

probably 512 Mbit

Hennes

And by the flash back. "fast page mode" "enhance data ouput" (EDO)

Burgi

ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-SIMM-4x512Mb-Memory-Module-RAM-Samsung-Nanya-/…

satibel

max for 75 pin simm is 128MB unless it's for printers.

Hennes

I paid over my moth salary for 1MiB then they came out. I just relised how old I am

Burgi

17:20

looks like a single stick of 2MB is roughly worth £5

djsmiley2k

17:30

mannnnnnnn

at old jorb was lots (hundreds?) of old ram sticks

bwDraco

EDO DRAM, RDRAM, oh my!

(who remembers Pentium 4 processors using RDRAM when Athlon 64 CPUs had an IMC that accepted DDR memory?)

Burgi

one of these machines is a dual core pentium

bwDraco

K8 pioneered the integrated memory controller. The P4 platform put the memory controller on the northbridge and had horrendous memory latency.

For workloads that fit mostly in cache, P4 did well, but for virtually everything else, AMD had both an absolute performance advantage and a performance-per-watt advantage.

Burgi

but no-one bought the AMD chip...

bwDraco

Blame it on Intel bribing OEMs.

We still have a Dell desktop from the AMD K8 golden age. It still runs remarkably well. The processor and motherboard have never been replaced, although RAM was upgraded from 2 GB to 4 GB.

It's almost ten years old, mind you.

Jul 15 '16 at 22:47, by bwDraco

(Machine records indicate that initial install was on October 15, 2007.)

Socket AM2.

@Burgi Was it one of those 2C/4T Extreme Edition MCMs?

Burgi

17:44

dunno

you want te service tag?

bwDraco

You can try to look it up and point to the product page...

Also, try running CPU-Z.

May 8 '15 at 17:20, by DragonLord

Presler multi-chip module, 2C/4T @ 3.73 GHz.

Burgi

@bwDraco dell.com/support/home/uk/en/ukbsdt1/product-support/servicetag/…

bwDraco

ark.intel.com/products/31733/…

@Burgi It's a rebadged C2D (Conroe). That's way better than any NetBurst-based Pentium.

Burgi

ah

bwDraco

(2C/2T Conroe (Core) @ 2.0 GHz.)

Burgi

17:51

brb nap

DavidPostill

fixer1234

@bwDraco, I was finally able to play that video about the border issue. Yes, it's outrageous, but for perspective, the number of complaints they have, even if they are all for that one location, would be roughly one per million crossings. Considering the level of criminal activity, officer frustration, etc., that hardly seems like the epidemic of abuse insinuated by the ABC story.

bwDraco

Well, it might be overblown, but Trump isn't helping.

Ben N

In other news, I learned today from reading Windows Internals that the main session manager process turns its priority up to 11

fixer1234

@bwDraco, With less officer frustration, any abuse is likely to decrease. In any workplace, there are a few bad apples. The rate for the border patrol appears surprisingly low.

Not Dog

19:33

##caaaaaaaaaat

I Am A Bot

djsmiley2k

19:59

Hi @NotDog

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