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12:17 AM

@Bob hm, there's a small trickle of dedis but damn, they go fast ._.

12:41 AM

@JourneymanGeek shit I need to pay for mine before it expires.

@JourneymanGeek there's no law against it

12:54 AM

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Wow... Skylake-X has abysmal efficiency when pushed to over 4Ghz...

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@NotDog not sure the highway code covers that tho.

@JourneymanGeek the highway code is advisory.

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It's still fast as hell, but Intel has actually fallen behind AMD for efficiency

Holy Jesus.

I have no idea how long they were following behind me for though, that freaks me out

Unmarked car with some ANPR and 4G data link that automatically reads number plates and alerts them to follow people, all completely silently without you noticing

1:11 AM

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1:58 AM

> Computer programmers who use spaces as part of their coding earn $15,370 (£12,000) more per year than those who use tabs, a survey of developers has revealed.
The survey found the salary difference stretched across different languages, countries and experience levels.

Whaaaaaaaa

So that's what I've been doing wrong all these years

2:14 AM

tabs suck.

use spaces.

@JourneymanGeek lol, yea, a bit of luck is needed

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Q: What is the best way to download a list of stack exchange questions for offline browsing?

I have about 600 favorite questions from the stack exchange network that I want to compile into a single pdf to read offline. Clearly clicking on each one is not an option(repetitive tasks may be for some people, not for me). Has anyone done this before or have ideas about how to go about it? I...

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3:45 AM

@DavidPostill No, that I implies I left a sentence unfinished. Anyhow, I thought the new COO of Sutherland would be more recognized. My bad.

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4:45 AM

@djsmiley2k I did, now I created proper documentation...

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Journeyman Geek

5:46 AM

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@JourneymanGeek I... what?

Journeyman Geek

:)

:(

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sauce

6:23 AM

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This also raises many questions.

@JourneymanGeek lol

6:56 AM

floof

Folks, it seems my graphics card doesn't have UEFI support, per its web page. There's an update utility that only works on Windows. I use Linux.

Is there a workaround, short of a full installation of Windows?

See asus.com/in/Graphics-Cards/GT610SL2GD3L/specifications

Note
● No UEFI support.
* No native UEFI BIOS support, for UEFI BIOS, please download from ASUS technique support site. (The update tool only for ASUS MB.)

Journeyman Geek

well, in theory, a full eval install of windows.

O_O

@JourneymanGeek An eval install?

I can't say I've ever heard of UEFI support for GPUs of all things.

Journeyman Geek

7:01 AM

tyup, IIRC you can grab a copy of windows, install it without a key, and it'll work for ... 30 days?

@JourneymanGeek Oh. Hmm. From the MS site?

Journeyman Geek

ya.

microsoft.com/en-in/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-10-enterprise

user226528

This UEFI made one of my friends panic. He was trying to install Windows 10 on a virtual machine running on VirtualBox. He was surprised that the Windows logo was replaced with VirtualBox logo. He thought VirtualBox hacked Windows to do this, compromising its integrity in process. XD

Getting it to play nice with the existing installation is probably an issue. I wonder if a Live DVD or suchlike is an option.

Journeyman Geek

I'd just grab a spare hard drive and use that

Everyone has a small pile of SATA drives right? ;p

In theory you can do a VHD boot, but you'd need windows to set it up and windows bootloader to load it and...

yeah

7:05 AM

@JourneymanGeek I guess so. I actually have two new drives which aren't really set up yet.

Journeyman Geek

has to be internal tho

@JourneymanGeek They're internal.

Journeyman Geek

yeah, unplug the linux drive, install it on that and...

ooh

Is Window 10 ok to use?

@FaheemMitha You could do Windows To Go :P

7:06 AM

@Bob Pardon?

docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/planning/…

Journeyman Geek

@Bob hm, you need windows to create that no?

@Bob I haven't yet tried turning off Secure Boot. Per our earlier conversation.

Journeyman Geek

and pro/enterprise

But you might need an existing Windows system to create it.

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Q: Create windows to go USB from Ubuntu

Since my ocd (im kidding) prevents me from dual booting Ubuntu and Windows 10 ive decided to create a Windows to go USB. There are countless articles but none of the programs are on Linux, so does anyone know a program on Linux for a Windows to go USB? Sarcasm: This definitely isn't windows to ...

@JourneymanGeek Eh, if it's eval anyway...

7:07 AM

But I expect that if the graphics card doesn't support UEFI, that in itself could be an issue, right?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob yup, but if you install windows anyway, why bother? just install and nuke.

user226528

Isn't it UEFI that is supposed to support the graphic card?

@FleetCommand Well, the docs I'm seeing talking about a VBIOS vs a "hybrid" UEFI+VBIOS thing.

@JourneymanGeek Cause he needs Windows running native, but you can install in VBox, create the ToGo USB, and boot native...

Comptuter people sure love their acronyms.

Journeyman Geek

7:08 AM

ehh, I supppppppose

See also asus.com/in/support/Download/9/2/11/2/31hEfbwHjinQORmO/29

The BIOS link.

social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/…

Journeyman Geek

I'm getting shades of that really odd case when my friend couldn't print or read USBs, and I sent her a VHD with a trial version of windows, and she used that chainloaded from her broken install to make a new install USB....

@JourneymanGeek That assumes BOOTMGR exists

Journeyman Geek

yup

I was thinking the sheer rube-goldbergness of it ;p

7:10 AM

Would reflashing video card firmware from a VirtualBox Windows install be risky?

I suspect that's not an option, though.

Journeyman Geek

You can't do it.

If I recall correctly, the VB doesn't have direct access to hardware.

Journeyman Geek

nope

and pcie passthrough is non trivial to set up

Well, lunch time. Later, folks.

@JourneymanGeek I'm sure it is.

Journeyman Geek

@FaheemMitha errrrrrr no

7:12 AM

I'm tempted to ask why Asus loves only Windows.

@JourneymanGeek No what?

Journeyman Geek

Its not trivial to set up ;p

I think it's discriminatory.

@JourneymanGeek I was agreeing with you. I mean I'm sure it's non-trivial to set up.

@FaheemMitha Nope. Hence using VBox to create the ToGo install from where you can try the flash :P

Journeyman Geek

eh. No one's under a obligation to support your OS choices.

user226528

@FaheemMitha Ask away. I have an answer: Because Microsoft WHQL goes the extra mile of cooperating with them. Compare with others.

7:13 AM

@FleetCommand WHQL?

Linux has open everything. Does cooperation enter into it?

user226528

@FaheemMitha Yeah. It is one of those acronyms that irks me. Windows Hardware Quality Lab or something.

user226528

Windows Hardware Quality Labs testing or WHQL Testing is Microsoft's testing process which involves running a series of tests on third-party hardware or software, and then submitting the log files from these tests to Microsoft for review. The procedure may also include Microsoft running their own tests on a wide range of equipment, such as different hardware and different Microsoft Windows editions. == Overview == Products that pass the WHQL tests get to use a "Certified for Windows" logotype, which certifies that the Hardware or software has had some share of testing by Microsoft to ens...

@Bob Gosh, that sounds like fun. Afterwards, I'll wonder where my weekend went.

@FleetCommand Oh, good grief.

@FaheemMitha "Why don't they support Linux? Why don't they support ~~one~~ all of the half dozen BSDs? I run OpenSolaris! What about my FreeDOS? I run MS-DOS 6.22! I have PC-DOS. I demand they support Haiku too. They should support ReactOS."

It never ends.

@Bob Linux isn't the most obscure thing out there. It runs half the servers on the net.

Not to mention tons of supercomputers, and your mobile phone.

7:15 AM

@FaheemMitha Is your motherboard a server motherboard?

@Bob Possibly. It's also ASUS.

user226528

@FaheemMitha It is not enough. It is one thing to be able to see code, it is another thing that after seeing the code, you discover the author of the code has provided no way of doing a certain thing. What would you do? Make your own Linux distribution that never gets popular? Or cooperate with the author?

SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0

@FaheemMitha Thre is no "possibly". Either it's a dedicated server motherboard, in which case it's basically either Dell/HP/Supermicro for x86, or it's not.

@FleetCommand Isn't it possible to provide a firmware update tool at the level of the MB BIOS, or whatever they are calling it these days?

@Bob Well, it's SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0.

user226528

7:17 AM

Sometimes yes.

Which is not a server motherboard.

Anyway, lunch time. Later folks.

user226528

Sometimes it is impossible.

So trying to draw comparisons to server market share doesn't make much sense.

@Bob Ok. I don't really know what a server mb is.

7:17 AM

@FaheemMitha The common alternative is to provider a FreeDOS-based bootable package.

@Bob Just making a general point.

@Bob Is that like booting into a custom OS for the purpose of reflashing?

More or less. But lightweight. DOS has the advantage of not really getting in the way either.

Seriously, lunch time. After I've eaten you can explain to me everything I'm wrong about.

@Bob Yes, I see. But presumably not an option here.

Depends if they offer such a package.

But it's possible that if the Video card doesn't have the UEFI + BIOS thing, it could stop the computer from booting in pure UEFI mode, correct?

That's just one point I wanted to get clear. If possible.

Journeyman Geek

7:20 AM

Never seen that happen. Ever.

@JourneymanGeek What, fail to boot because of a video card firmware?

Journeyman Geek

yup

Oh. Well, I'll try other options first. Though I'm debating giving up on the UEFI thing altogether.

Ya, that sounds incredibly dodgy. Especially for 6xx gen.

Bleh, AMD CPUs.

If it were Intel of the same generation I'd just say ditch the graphics card and use the iGPU...

assuming it's not the stupid P67 chipset anyway

At least I guess I now know why GT x10/x20 is still a thing :\

Journeyman Geek

7:35 AM

lol

I might pick one up if I ever decide to get my c2d back up ;p

or the AMD equvilent

crap my fingers smell like garlic

user226528

I must start writing a book about all the backup apps that I tried and ditched because of their incompetence. I ditched another one today. Well... maybe after I found another backup solution.

user226528

I hate freedom of choice. I'd rather have one and only one perfect option instead.

8:01 AM

@FleetCommand What OS?

user226528

Windows 7, Windows 10 and Windows Server 2012

Journeyman Geek

Veeam's worked well on my desktop OSes, usually

tho I do a second backup of those with something else, so I can survive the loss of one disk

user226528

@JourneymanGeek I Googled for "Veeam" and it seems it sells virtualization software.

user226528

Oh, wait! There is Veeam Backup Free Edition!

Journeyman Geek

yup

user226528

8:09 AM

But it backups virtual machines like Hyper-V and VMware

Journeyman Geek

veeam.com/windows-endpoint-server-backup-free.html

Needs a signup IIRC, and I'd suggest a non working phone number ;)

@FleetCommand Ok. Don't use Windows, so have no idea.

Journeyman Geek

@FaheemMitha I also use their linux product on one of my servers, tho not really had a proper test of it yet

@JourneymanGeek I'm testing something called Borg Backup on Linux. Though it's still a work in progress.

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I miss remastersys. The fork(s) seem to keep getting stalled.

8:13 AM

github.com/borgbackup/borg

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(also my linux boxen are rediculously reliable, and I end up rebuilding when I switch boxes.)

It's one of those newfangled block incremental backup thingys.

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What I really need is bare metal backups

Well, also deduplicating backup.

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Saved my arse a few times, when I did something dumb.

8:15 AM

@JourneymanGeek What's a bare metal backup?

Journeyman Geek

shrug space is relatively cheap

@FaheemMitha I quite literally want to be able to get my systems back up, if someone removes my boot drive and feeds it to a grue.

@JourneymanGeek You mean just a copy of the whole disk?

Journeyman Geek

@FaheemMitha more or less

Do grues eat hard disks? They sound indigestible.

Journeyman Geek

and the ability to quickly get a system rolled back to a known good state.

8:17 AM

Hard disks, that is. Not grues.

Journeyman Geek

with my windows boxen I can roll back to any point in the week.

@JourneymanGeek I'm just concerned about saving my data.

I can always reinstall a system.

Journeyman Geek

I can do the same for one of my linux boxen

@FaheemMitha oh, data backups are a solved problem for me

two seperate disks, backed up over network in semi realtime (except backups, which are done once a day to avoid race conditions)

@JourneymanGeek That requires essentially unlimited bandwidth. Is this a sync?

Journeyman Geek

@FaheemMitha within my lan

8:23 AM

Ah, ok.

Journeyman Geek

but yeah, most internet here is unlimited quantity, limited bandwidth

SG doesn't have unlimited bandwidth plans?

Journeyman Geek

er

I can use as much as I want, I pay for speed.

but I don't really have an off site to back up to, I live with my parents ;p

When I move out, sure.

@JourneymanGeek Oh, sorry. I was perhaps misusing the term bandwidth.

I suppose bandwidth == speed in practice.

user226528

What about backing up a Linux workstation? Ubuntu, to be accurate?

8:25 AM

@FleetCommand Not sure who you are asking. Or what.

Did you check out my link above? Borg Backup?

@FleetCommand Lemme know if you find a good one :P

I'm still on Acronis, for lack of anything better. It ... mostly does the job but it's been getting increasingly buggy since the UI refresh of 2015.

user226528

@FaheemMitha You were implying that it is for servers.

@FleetCommand Not really. It's just a backup method.

user226528

@Bob Acronis True Image made my life miserable for a while. It was more like Acronis False Image.

The main problem I've had with it is that it tends to leave locks behind. And the current stable version isn't smart enough to cope with stray logs. Though I'm told this is fixed in the next version. But regardless, it's a very unixy approach to backup.

8:31 AM

@FleetCommand Beats BackupAssist any day...

And don't get me started on Windows' built in backups.

Sorry, that should have been "stray locks", not "stray logs" above.

Journeyman Geek

@FleetCommand If you're not using LVM, veeam has a product that's odd but tolerable (does NFS and samba) - otherwise I just go for periodically tarring up essential stuff and copying it over

9:01 AM

Anyway, I'm generally impressed with Borg Backup. The only problem with free software is that the devs can get bored and wander off.

Journeyman Geek

yup

And it has some teething pains. As long as Thomas Waldmann sticks around, it's likely to develop into a good product.

Does someone who is not computer savvy need to replace their HDD with SSD?

Someone who does not conduct backups.

At least when HDD is failing it can be heard or seen but if SSD goes, it goes.

Laptop is slow so I suggested person to consider SSD but does he really need it?

@Boris_yo You can always double up and use RAID.

@FaheemMitha The guy is not techy to manage these things.

9:15 AM

@Boris_yo RAID isn't hard. What OS? In Windows it probably involves clicking a button or something.

I can install and manage but the guy won't have knowledge to do that without me.

The big thing is that you are essentially spending twice the money for the same srorage space.

@Boris_yo OS?

@NotDog No it's not. Where applicable the highway code includes the appropriate references to the laws involved.

Example:

Rule 105

You MUST obey signals given by police officers, traffic officers, traffic wardens (see ‘Signals by authorised persons’) and signs used by school crossing patrols.

Laws RTRA sect 28, RTA 1988 sect 35, TMA sect 6 & FTWO art 3

Journeyman Geek

9:32 AM

@Boris_yo Yes

SSDs are awesome.

^

user226528

10:23 AM

@Bob Actually go ahead. Microsoft ships the worst backup apps on this planet. (I said "ships" because they were not always developed by Microsoft.)

10:49 AM

MS has built-in backups?

@FaheemMitha Robocopy :)

Like Robocop?

Correct. Expansion cards usually have their own firmware which gets called by the motherboards firmware during boot.

If your motherboard firmware is BIOS and you try to PXE boot then your NIC needs to support that in its own firmware. Ditto for EUFI (and a recent post of that on I think SF).

Same for graphics cards which are addressed differently from BIOS firmware and pure UEFI firmware.

@Hennes Yes, that's what I figured. Thanks for the confirmation. Though there was no complaint during boot. It just didn't boot.

It complained about the network card, though.

And it's possible that I need to turn off Secure Boot as well.

For a pure UEFI boot, that is.

Journeyman Geek

@FaheemMitha yup

10:57 AM

Oh, I always turn off secure boot. It is not secure since the keys were leaked

@Hennes Would it stop booting in UEFI mode?

If it was on, I mean.

With secure boot turned on and no valid sigature it *should* complain and stop booting.
it *should* not fail silenty.

What your actualy firmware does is up to the maker/writer though.

@Hennes Yes, silent fails are the worst.

11:56 AM

I can't afford SSDs :(

Hi folks. Well, Secure Boot had an OS setting. I switched it from Windows to Other OS, and the installer boots in UEFI mode. So, that's the good news.

@Bob, @bwDraco , @Hennes ^^

I was going to start from scratch with the installation, but it seems unexpectedly difficult to delete an MD array with LVM on top using the installer. At least, I was not able to figure it out. The next thing is apparently do set up something called a EFI System Partition. Which is where GRUB puts its files in the new order, apparently.

And some helpful words from the Debian jessie installation guide...

> Another UEFI-related topic is the so-called “secure boot” mechanism. Secure boot means a function of UEFI implementations that allows the firmware to only load and execute code that is cryptographically signed with certain keys and thereby blocking any (potentially malicious) boot code that is unsigned or signed with unknown keys. In practice the only key accepted by default on most UEFI systems with secure boot is a key from Microsoft used for signing the Windows bootloader.

> As the boot code used by debian-installer is not signed by Microsoft, booting the installer requires prior deactivation of secure boot in case it is enabled. Secure boot is often enabled by default on systems that come preinstalled with a 64-bit version of Windows 8 and there is unfortunately no standard way to disable it in the UEFI setup.

12:12 PM

Re EFI system partition (ESP):
Not just grub. The motherboard firmware should look at accessible devices, locate the one with the ESP on it and either:
1) Boot the something.EFI file you specified earlier.
2) Of fall back and look for default files (e.g. bootx64.EFI).

These files are put on the ESP by all operating systems/installers. Not just by grub

@Hennes I only have Linux installed on those disks. That's unlikely to change. But should I try to futureproof it?

I'm wondering whether the EFI partition should be mounted. There does not seem to be a concensus location. /boot and /boot/efi are mentioned.

It does not need to be mounted unless you want to modify files on it.

@Hennes Oh. So it does not need a mount point?

If you wish you could mount it RO. Sort of a compromise

It is needed at boot when the UEFI program runs. It is not needed after it transfers control to the OS.

Hmm. But what's a good choice of mount point? /boot/efi?

@Hennes Yes, I see.

12:18 PM

/boot/efi sounds very sane

Ok.

No idea what current standards are though.

And it seems that putting it on top of MD RAID + LVM means that only GRUB2 will be able to read it.

Journeyman Geek

I thought you usually shoved /boot outside LVM or raid?

(in case)

And what's a reasonable size for the ESP? 100MB was mentioned somewhere.

@JourneymanGeek I don't.

There's no reason not to put /boot on top of RAID + LVM, as far as I can see.

Journeyman Geek

12:20 PM

@FaheemMitha The idea being, I suppose that other OSes could open it I suppose.

@JourneymanGeek /boot, you mean?

Journeyman Geek

and if you had issues with your raid or LVM it would still be accessible

yup

@JourneymanGeek Sure. But any Linux live disk can start up MDRAID + LVM.

Journeyman Geek

I suppose.

Ah, you mean RAID+LVM wasn't working. But how would reading /boot help you then?

12:22 PM

Did you hear the news that Trump's personal library burnt down?

Unfortunately, both books were permanently destroyed.
Do you know the what the real tragedy is? He didn't even finish colouring the second one.

Journeyman Geek

@Rahul2001 tooo eaaaasssyyyyy

The EFI would need to be readable by other OSs, hence maybe it would make sense to put it outside that. And also FAT32.

Journeyman Geek

Its like having a legless man in an arse kicking contest.

Does Windows play nice in a multiboot EFI boot setup these days?

Journeyman Geek

no idea. I just throw hardware at my problems ;p

12:23 PM

@JourneymanGeek Yes, picking on Trump is trying to shoot the continent of North America with a BB gun. You can't miss.

To be precise, will Windows be a good OS and put its boot files in the same EFI as Linux?

Journeyman Geek

(I have a little box to run linux, and a few old spare laptops...)

Otherwise, what's the point?

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@FaheemMitha I wouldn't trust windows ;p

I don't really use Windows, but it's possible I have a dark dark future where I'm running it...

@JourneymanGeek Wise words.

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my one dual boot system has a EMMC with windows (which I need to boot into) and fedora on a 32gb SSD (and a 1TB data partition)

Oh, and the XP, linux,haiku triple boot ;p

12:29 PM

@JourneymanGeek What's your boot manager?

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I keep seperate boot managers in this case

and pick partitions through the boot device selection

@JourneymanGeek What bootloader?

Journeyman Geek

my bad, I pick boot devices

linux will see the windows partition, windows stays in its own partion, and all's good ;)

grub is usually better behaved.

@JourneymanGeek That works if they are on separate disks.

Journeyman Geek

yup

and to me, these days, that's the way to go.

12:33 PM

Otherwise you have to worry about Windows overwriting stuff.

Journeyman Geek

(granted, that's a NUC class device with three distinct storage devices)

Which it shouldn't do, but apparently does.

Journeyman Geek

yup

Cause you can't trust windows to play nice ;)

My direct experience with Windows is minimal, so I don't actually know.

@JourneymanGeek I thought MS was trying to be good.

They even picked an Indian to lead them.

Then again, tiger, spots.

Journeyman Geek

oh, better. They want you to run linux on azure or hyper V

;p

12:34 PM

@JourneymanGeek Azure? Cloud thing?

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@FaheemMitha dualbooting is inherently un-natural ;p

Yup

@JourneymanGeek Sometimes people, good people, have to use Windows. Through no fault of their own.

Does anyone know if the BSDs work with GRUB?

Journeyman Geek

lol

@FaheemMitha I work with windows.

@JourneymanGeek You poor man.

Journeyman Geek

and tbh, I could switch most of my machines to linux and not notice.

shrug

12:36 PM

So how big does this EPT thing need to be? Not large, I suppose.

Journeyman Geek

nope 100-300mb I guess

Ok.

Journeyman Geek

(also for the record, I have 4 active, usable, healthy machines, two more batteryless laptops, and one more that needs a keyboard and battery replacement... so actually grabbing a machine for a different OS is trivial.)

Probably going to order the stuff to fix the x220 next month ._.

@JourneymanGeek That's a lot of machines.

Do you have a separate room for them?

Journeyman Geek

lol

naw

12:38 PM

That was a serious question.

Journeyman Geek

Well they're mostly in my room

Those things can be noisy.

Journeyman Geek

I donno how special that is

oh, I don't run em all at once

@JourneymanGeek ok

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Usually desktop at home, and one of the laptops

the current laptop actually replaced the x220, and the HP stream's role.

12:40 PM

Is the x220 a good machine?

Journeyman Geek

oh, its an excellent machine

Last thinkpad X series with a proper keyboard

Mine needs a new battery and the keyboard seems to have issues

and the version I have has a 1366x768 screen, which is a bit meh

(my blade stealth has a 1440p igzo display which is nice. And they have a new 13 inch screen model on the same basic size in the pipeline that I am drooling over)

@JourneymanGeek I have a Thinkpad. Now about 10 years old, but still functioning. I haven't used it much.

The battery died some time ago. I tried to cheap out and get a third party one. Mistake. It crapped out almost immediately.

The old IBM ones were practically bullet-proof. Mine is Lenovo.

Journeyman Geek

1:12 PM

yeah

Lenovo's kinda trying, but they don't quite get the same "no compromises whatsoever" philosophy IBM had

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Q: EFI system partition on top of MD RAID and LVM

I'd like to put a EFI system partition on top of a MD RAID 1 + LVM setup. So the ESP would be a Logical Volume on top of the MD RAID device. I've heard mixed things about whether this is possible. Has anyone done it? And if so, what issues were there, if any. The plan is to have a standard Debia...

grub2 lvm uefi md

If anyone has done this, please provide input. Thank you.

I think this would also be on-topic on SU, but U&L seemed a more natural place.

Though SUs scope is so broad, it's hard to tell sometimes.

##facepalm

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We basically cover anything on AU and UL ;p

1:30 PM

lol

UL covers most things on AU

SU covers most things on both

I vote that AU and U&L are redundant and should hereby be abolished.

Journeyman Geek

@FaheemMitha this has been suggested

Or we should rename SU to windows.se. Get rid of all those pesky Unix questions :)

@FaheemMitha reported

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@DavidPostill windows.se has been suggested too ;p

1:44 PM

@JourneymanGeek is your dad watching the finals? :P

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Yup

And kinda annoyed at how well Pakistan is doing ;p

@JourneymanGeek yeah, India has never had to chase this high

I'm taking interest in cricket for the first time and it's kinda fun

:p

@JourneymanGeek O_O

OKAY NO NO NO KOHLI GOT OUT WHAT NO WHY

WHY IS PAKISTAN DOING SO WELL

##rwail

@Rahul2001 That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: rwave

1:57 PM

@Rahul2001 yay

##rweep

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@jokerdino wait, you're from Pakistan?

what

I want to see the middle order perform. What better platform?

clippy pls

@jokerdino lol ok

2:23 PM

WTF WHY IS PAKISTAN PLAYING SO WELL

wake me up when we reach 100

2:45 PM

+60 on an answer to a question about cleaning toilets :)

@jokerdino wtffff

What is going on

Dhoni, Rohit, Yuvraj, Kohli all out

Yet another in that series of unending cricket matches?

@FaheemMitha Finals

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