Root Access

Burgi

00:11

Use a bunch of USB Flash drives in a RAID array.

►

djsmiley2k

@Burgi ewwww

Burgi

i thought it was interesting

Journeyman Geek

@Bob Still not sold on arm ;p

djsmiley2k

@Burgi ok, let me actually watch it then

the idea is eww

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I tried them out. They're not bad :P

djsmiley2k

00:14

but maybeit's good... lets see!

Bob

@JourneymanGeek The old ARM servers were shit (think ~2011 phone)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob its 'stupid' but I'm worried about needing to compile software half the time

Bob

But the new ones are nice... think 2016 phone? :P

Journeyman Geek

not that I do it much

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Eh, almost all software in debian (and therefore ubuntu) repos have ARM packages

Journeyman Geek

00:16

@Bob and a good chunk of my current stack is python...

still

djsmiley2k

aaaaaah he's basing his testing on how long a file copy takes?

Bob

Welllll if you wanted to know throughput...

still I bet the overall reliability of this setup is worse than a single portable HDD

Simon Sheehan

@djsmiley2k Cringe. Looks like he is using an older version of OS X too... interesting.

Michael Frank

@SimonSheehan The video is a few years old IIRC

djsmiley2k

@SimonSheehan hmmm, don't care about that, just use proper testing to test. :/

2015 @MichaelFrank

Michael Frank

00:19

Hmmm... I swear it was older than that. shrug

djsmiley2k

Use a bunch of USB Flash drives in a RAID array.

►

he says Jan 2015, in the vid :P

Simon Sheehan

@MichaelFrank Says 2015, looks like OS X 10.6 or so to me.

Assuming he's on USB 2 then as well...

Michael Frank

@SimonSheehan The comments suggest he is using 2.0

Simon Sheehan

(Mind you I sorta just skimmed through it)

djsmiley2k

yup, usb 2.0

he says that too.

Simon Sheehan

00:20

I don't hate the concept and it's a neat test, just wish it was done a bit nicer and on more relevant hardware :(

djsmiley2k

instead, use them as bcache or whatever

and that'd make lots of sense

testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/min-vid

oh hey it's what I wanted to do with a video in chrome

least it'll hopefully come to chrome too now

djsmiley2k

00:40

hum de dum

That Brazilian Guy

So, turns out tomorrow is the last day for filling our Brazilian IRS papers online.

I have some questions, but fear not, they have a really simple 279 page FAQ.

Oh, and you don't fill the forms on a web site. No, that would be sily. You use a Java app.

@djsmiley2k if some will come to chrome it's awesome when it's done

djsmiley2k

=)

Journeyman Geek

00:57

ours is "Ok, your employer reported this income. You have any other income? Good. Done."

That Brazilian Guy

YOU SEE, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE, BUT NOOOOOO.

We get a paycheck-like detailed form from our employer detailing how much we earned during the year and how much was already discounted by the government.

So we fill a lot of details and depending on some, we might get some money back.

I'll get $120 back in maybe six months... Yay I'm rich.

Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy my government is all about the big datas.

Ben N

Mine too!

Journeyman Geek

Would a post about this something we need/wanted pinned? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/295285/…

@BenN we bought TIA

Ben N

@JourneymanGeek It's featured, so it should show up network-wide on the sites soon

Journeyman Geek

01:08

lol. Was thinking chat

Ben N

Right; people will probably see it on-site anyway

That Brazilian Guy

> (...) up to 20 minutes shortly after midnight (...) Users that are affected will see a warning banner.

Journeyman Geek

lol

So no? ;p

That Brazilian Guy

I think it's fine.

Ben N

There's no word yet on whether it affects chat, which is usually very separate from Q&A

I think we're fine

Journeyman Geek

01:09

Prolly not

oh, more for people going "EVERYTHING IS DOWWWWWWN"

Ben N

Ah, if that looks like it's about to happen, we can pin on/around the actual event

That Brazilian Guy

There's a tenuous, very soft whirring noise in my room that's driving me crazy.

It's not out of the window, it's not in the living room, it's not my computer (phew!)

Ben N

You need to unplug the high-pitched hum generator

Simon Sheehan

@JourneymanGeek Even if you pin it, tell everyone you know, and their dogs - people will still come running and panicking ;)

Journeyman Geek

woof?

Also LTNS

That Brazilian Guy

01:13

@BenN No, it's not a high-pitched hum, it's a low pitched whirring...

Simon Sheehan

@JourneymanGeek I lurk from time to time ;) Life has changed a lot over the years! Figured I'd start hanging out here a bit more again :)

Journeyman Geek

ah ;p

Ben N

Welcome back :)

Simon Sheehan

Thanks! I've missed this place

Bob

Ooh, a ~~new~~ old face! :P

Ben N

01:15

An old new face, even

That Brazilian Guy

If it was a high-pitched hum, and I had a geeky wife, I'd start looking for an annoyatron ;P

Bob

> In The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Adams mentions an extremely dull planet, inhabited by a bunch of depressed humans and a certain breed of animals with sharp teeth which communicate with the humans by biting them very hard in the thighs. This is strikingly similar to UNIX, in which the kernel communicates with processes by sending paralyzing or deadly signals to them. Processes may intercept some of the signals, and try to adapt to the situation, but most of them don't.

Journeyman Geek

01:27

@Bob there's a reasonable chance @SimonSheehan might have been here before I was ;p

bwDraco

roar

Simon Sheehan

not quite ;) there has always been a dog loose in the chat since I got here. It's nice to see some of the same faces 5 years later!

bwDraco

Just got out of work.

That Brazilian Guy

@bwDraco Oh, did you get that job you're applying to back then?

bwDraco

01:45

No, still doing sports photography.

That Brazilian Guy

Oh, I see.

Do you display your photography work anywhere?

Simon Sheehan

@bwDraco Sports is the most fun photography and video by far! I love when I get to do it

allquixotic

02:04

The Sun Sneeze Gene

►

That Brazilian Guy

I have it.

Come to think of it, I think it's been dormant for the last couple years.

allquixotic

Sun Microsystems Tear Down - Computerphile

►

fascinating :P

and yes, "Real Iron" was significantly more powerful, for many years, than commodity "desktops" from IBM and clones

my first ca. 1991 PC had 4 MB of RAM, and the upgrade only had 8, while that server had 16 in 1986... extremely high-end

that server is the 1986 equivalent of a quad Xeon E7 box with 192GB of RAM today

Journeyman Geek

lol

I just watched that yesterday

@allquixotic it was

and made differently

bwDraco

02:32

Heh.

allquixotic

Here's a question. If many separate data lines could produce a lot of throughput (see: PCI-e and its many lanes, for a modern example), why are so many modern buses not "parallel" anymore? E.g. we moved from Parallel ATA to Serial ATA and it's way faster. SAS is a 1-wire bus. Many other modern connectors are 5 or 10 pins and several are used for low-bandwidth control data, power, or grounding, leaving 1 or 2 true data pins.

bwDraco

RISC (in the form of ARM) might become widespread again in servers in the next few years, but right now, virtually every server has a Xeon processor in it.

allquixotic

Are we so good at high throughput (e.g. high clock rate) transmissions on either side of the line that we just don't (usually) need tons of different lines anymore, except in the case of the extreme high-end of throughput like PCIe?

bwDraco

@allquixotic Because they use packet-based communication. Packets are sent along each lane, and the recipient reconstructs the data.

2

A: Serial communication vs Parallel Communication

Parallel communication is subject to clock skew, while serial communication is not. A packet-based communication protocol allows multiple serial channels to operate in parallel without being adversely affected by clock skew. Parallel communication is difficult to implement at very high speeds b...

Bob

@allquixotic One word: crosstalk

allquixotic

02:46

@Bob I guess they manage to deal with crosstalk pretty well with PCIe x16 slots, with the pins being in fairly close proximity

that's "16 channels in parallel", but with the added complexity of controller-side data reordering a la TCP ... didn't know that til today :P

bwDraco

Well, now you know :-)

> The bonded serial bus architecture was chosen over the traditional parallel bus due to inherent limitations of the latter, including half-duplex operation, excess signal count, and inherently lower bandwidth due to timing skew. Timing skew results from separate electrical signals within a parallel interface traveling through conductors of different lengths, on potentially different printed circuit board (PCB) layers, and at possibly different signal velocities. Despite being transmitted simultaneously as a single word, signals on a parallel interface have different travel duration and arr…

(from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express)

Simon Sheehan

@bwDraco some good bed time reading right there for tonight...

bwDraco

03:02

Clock skew's your #1 problem when you're sending so many bits over a parallel connection. Hence bonded serial links with packetized transmission.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco technically arn't most modern x86es risc-like internally?

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek Yeah. I've been taught that at least some x86 processors resemble MIPS internally. The ISA is an abstraction layer more than anything else.

If I'm such a god, why isn't Maru *my* cat?

Journeyman Geek

More or less. Also Randal runs a mac?

Bob

@allquixotic PCIe is also shorter distance

bwDraco

I believe DRAM is one of the last high-bandwidth devices to use parallel communication.

Journeyman Geek

03:35

@Bob and VERY carefully controllable trace lengths and seperations

Bob

04:18

@allquixotic Dedbox Classic now has 42 in stock :P

XKCD

Most people don't realize it, but they actually launch a new space station every few weeks because this keeps happening.

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Bob

04:45

@JourneymanGeek Now I need to figure out what to do with the extra 4m of LEDs :P

(plus the other 5m that's currently being shipped... whoops)

djsmiley2k

@Bob post em to me

what are they, ws8108 ?

Bob

05:04

@djsmiley2k looks like it... 5050 rgb strip with the leds attached in lots of 3

ws2812 I think

wait no

Journeyman Geek

I thought the WS series was serial

so 6 connectors rather than 8

djsmiley2k

nod, sounds right to me

Bob

05:29

yea, these are probably just dumb LEDs

Seth

Good morning, could someone help me figure out what just happened? I edited my answer to a question in order to get it accepted. While that was happening (apparently after I submitted the edit?) the question was moved by @JourneymanGeek and now my answer is deleted and I can't restore it because the post is being migrated? Question: superuser.com/questions/1203852/move-general-to-another-channel/…

Journeyman Geek

@Seth you can handle it on the other side. Its off topic here and was migrated to webapps, where its on topic

0

Q: Move #general to another channel

I've set up a slack organization for a small team. In the beginning we had only a single project we were working on, so we just used the #general channel for the primary communication. Now the team has grown bigger, and we have three separate projects. So the #general channel has been renamed ...

slack

Bob

@JourneymanGeek the thing that confuses me is while I was testing one of the rainbox modes the second strip further down the cable took like 0.5-1s longer to respond to colour changes

which implies there's some sort of signalling involved, but idk

Seth

So answers for moved questions get deleted? That's the only thing I'm confused about.

Journeyman Geek

@Seth apparently so

Seth

05:38

Kind of strange but someone probably thought more about this than me. ^^

Journeyman Geek

lol

I'm poking around on meta for the reasoning

djsmiley2k

@Bob it's serial...

oh wait

the actual cable?

ok that's a bit odd :/

it's no different from having another led...

Journeyman Geek

05:57

yup

I'm pretty sure its not serial

Bob

@djsmiley2k I have two 0.5m strips linked with a cable

(more like hacked together with literal poE :P)

I didn't think it was serial until that weirdness happened

Journeyman Geek

06:14

lol

@Bob and that's a PWM, not a serial controller ;p

and there's 4 connectors not 3

and... there's literally nothing that smells like a serial/individuallly addressable LED

Bob

@JourneymanGeek PWM doesn't explain one strip lagging behind the other...

Journeyman Geek

Nope.

Serial might, but ....

Nothing I've seen from what showed me looks like serial ._.

Bob

I know, it looks like dumb LEDs

Journeyman Geek

06:31

serverfault.com/questions/847075/… ... Milking Machines?

Burgi

07:44

morning

Journeyman Geek

I just discovered you can get all your deleted posts visible on sites with deleted:1. I donno how I did not know this before ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ...as a mod.

Wait. As a non-mod too.

O_O

Journeyman Geek

DA!

On SU, I don't really care about my deleted posts that much

on MSE, there's a lot of amusing stuff floating around

Oh, I know you can read your own deleted posts a while

Bob

lol, I don't even remember this answer superuser.com/questions/439773/…

Journeyman Geek

being able to find it is handy

Bob

07:49

oh god even the non-regex one I did the other answer for is pretty poor

oh lol I remember this one superuser.com/questions/414673/…

Burgi

sigh

10k stuff

Bob

hm... I'm not entirely sure why this one was deleted actually superuser.com/questions/856806/…

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi I think that works under 10k too

@Bob whole question seems to be

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Yea. Not entirely sure why.

It looks on-topic...

Journeyman Geek

@Bob beats me

its not a very well written question tho

tho the fact the user's deleted seems fishy

0_0

That was about 4 years ago. Transient bug ;p

Burgi

08:04

@JourneymanGeek is this your pre-ascension to ~~dog~~ godhood?

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi Regular user then, yup

No mod menu, and its the older 10K queue

oh, and chat right up on top where it belongs

Tom Wijsman

08:20

superuser.com/questions/407198/…

Journeyman Geek

08:44

Lol. We did a few of those.

DavidPostill

09:28

@Seth @Seth @JourneymanGeek That's weird. This question was migrated yesterday and my answer went with it ... webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/105628/…

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill that's how it works

the answer on SU gets deleted, the answer goes with the question to webapps

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek Ah. I misunderstood @seth's complaint. I thought he meant the answer never made it to the other side.

Journeyman Geek

ah

What confused me is I didn't realise the answers on our side gets deleted

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek I suspect that needs 10K

Journeyman Geek

ah

ooh

I can throw you a properly lulzy meta question then

shyam

09:39

Hey, I have created a virtual machine out of my physical WIndows 10 machine and am trying to set it up under Ubuntu using VMWare but I am not able to install the proper VMWare tools and the keyboard input is not recognised at all from the gues Windows machine.

I have just a few minutes ago tried downloading the latest VMWare build from the official site and still it does not make a difference

The "Install VMWare Tools" option under the Virtual Machine menu is greyed out as well

My host machine is running on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS

Can someone here help me out with this?

Journeyman Geek

@shyam chat isn't really the place for questions like this

You should go post a question on the main site in detail.

shyam

Should I post a question then?

OK

I'll do that

Thank you :)

Journeyman Geek

@shyam that said, making a VM out of a phsyical machine might be tricky licencewise. Which has nothing to do with your issues

Seth

Jup, that the answer on SU was deleted and shows up as a deleted question for me (as if I had deleted it myself) was what really confused me about the move. Especially since my update of the answer and the move occurred within the same minute.

Journeyman Geek

@Seth terrible timing, but how was I to know you were editing ;p

I'd have given you the extra minute or so then kicked it over

Seth

09:54

The edit actually went through. My first reaction was "did someone just now really delete my answer and moved the question afterwards?". Always assume the worst! But I did learn something new about how stuff is handled so everything is fluffy. :D

Journeyman Geek

oh crap

I NEARLY accidentally deleted my only login method

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ^

Journeyman Geek

Well I deleted my legacy SE login testing something, and that deleted my google login. My last login was LJ, and I deleted my LJ account a few weeks ago....

Seth

LJ as in Live Journal? That still exists? That feels like internet stone age.

@Bob

sorry ... typing isn't my strong part.. Anyway set it to strobe and have a party!

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Seth it kinda did

but they basically pissed me off with their new TOS, and I haven't used my account in years so I nuked it

Well it isn't really even a TOS. I got asked to accept a TOS "that wasn't legally binding" but said the russian one was, and referred to a russian law...

I'm not accepting a TOS I CANNOT READ

Seth

10:03

Biggest software myth? "I read the EULA" while installing software. Best installer I had was one that mentioned you just read X pages in 4 seconds so you must be a really, really fast reader. But yes, I get what you mean.

Journeyman Geek

@Seth I usually do

Oh, and from what I heard, the law in question is against folks who're LGBT

and I count quite a few of those as my friends.

So, meh.

shyam

@JourneymanGeek That is the funny part, I had zero problems so far with the licensing bits. Everything seems to work with the help of the on-screen keyboard

Don't know when they'll start bringing up the infamous Activate Windows popup though

Journeyman Geek

ah then, definately a question for the main site.

Yeah, that's what concerns me, but different problem ;p

shyam

:D

Seth

Yeha pretty meh but there's still so much talk about that stuff at all is just astonishing.

Journeyman Geek

10:07

@Seth more that ... I don't see a point in propping up their user numbers and its an account that's clearly meaningless since a good chunk of the people I know there left anyway

Seth

I've started to read those TOS and EULAs as well but still its pretty alien if you tell someone you do. Back when I was younger I wouldn't have been able to make any sense of what's written in them. By now I still can't make any sense of some of the stuff but at least most of it.

Journeyman Geek

oh

Rahul2001

I miss school for a day, and every damn thing goes to hell

Journeyman Geek

I have a slight law background

from management and cyber forensics majors

so I often know what the hell they're on about, even if it still bored me to death.

Seth

@Rahul2001 Sounds like the usual. You decide to just be a bit late to one lecture ... and it's time for information about the stuff you need to write this semester.

Sounds like a fun background, at least the second part. But yes, it's nice to have idea what they're on about. Especially if you have a choice.

Rahul2001

10:11

@Seth Heh, that's nothing. Today for some reason my friends went and showed a crappily-made movie to the director. The director got pissed, kicked 5 of the best people out of the computer club, shut two social campaigns down.

Seth

Social campaigns etc. are unusual at schools here and usually have high prestige and are lead by some kind of visionary teacher. So that would be unlikely around here.

Rahul2001

@Seth Heh, our director is ~~half~~ mad. Totally batshit crazy.

Seth

Sometime slapping over TCP/IP would really be a great feature.

0

Q: Performance of for-each loop

I have 2 scenarios of a Java code. A simple for-each looping over like 1000 records. A nested for-each loop, where the outer loop loops over 1000 records and the inner... Well let's say it varies (sometimes it has no record or has like 4-5 records). How could the performance be increased ? E...

performance java

Bob

@JourneymanGeek uh. can you read French? cause you have an Online server... :P

Journeyman Geek

tres tres tres un peux. ma francaise is malodour....

2

(I can read a little french. At least its a latin script, and online.net have have a english TOS

DavidPostill

10:24

@Seth Closed. Off-topic :)

Seth

TY. That edit he made was so~ helpful.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek the French one is canonical :P

DavidPostill

@Seth :)

jokerdino

10:41

Are you the @Seth from the Iguana forums?

Seth

I might or might not be ... well no idea what Iguana forums you're talking about. So probably not. Sorry. :)

jokerdino

@Seth, are you the war lizard from the war lizard gaming forums?

Bob

@jokerdino ಠ_ಠ

2

Seth

Nope. It's unlikely that we've encountered each other before as it has been some time since I was active on a classic BB and I didn't know about that meme until seconds ago. Though I do frequent reddit.

Burgi

wasn't seth the baddie in command and conquer?

jokerdino

10:50

Seth is a moderator in Ask Ubuntu.

Seth

The name might also refer to (in no particular order): A character from a that angel movie I always forget the name of, a ghoul in the Fallout universe, a reference to an Egyptian god, a biblical figure, a character from "From Dusk till Dawn", a municipality in Germany. In C&C there indeed was a NOD member by that name (after as they had Kain that's no surprise).

jokerdino

what kind of angle?

Burgi

do you mean "angel"?

jokerdino

??

Seth

I wonder if I will ever get rid of that typo. Yes, angel. The movie I meant is City of Angels.

Journeyman Geek

11:03

lol

prolly never

DavidPostill

@Seth What typo? ;p

jokerdino

It was acute typo.

Seth

I guess it happens because "Angel" in German would be "Fishing Pole" and it just kind of feels wrong to write that if you're talking about divine beings. Math just feels so much more divine! (Bad excuse)

Journeyman Geek

@jokerdino are you sure we arn't just being obtuse?

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek cc @jokerdino No, cos he's just going off at a tangent.

jokerdino

11:14

I don't commit such a sin.

Burgi

flagged for punning

DavidPostill

plagged for funning

jokerdino

@Burgi You don't seem like the kind to strike a chord quickly.

Burgi

i don't get that one

DavidPostill

@jokerdino I really don't see the point of that

@Burgi a chord == accord?

Burgi

11:22

as in music?

DavidPostill

@Burgi Did you fail maths in school? ;p

Chord (geometry)

A chord of a circle is a straight line segment whose endpoints both lie on the circle. A secant line, or just secant, is the infinite line extension of a chord. More generally, a chord is a line segment joining two points on any curve, for instance an ellipse. A chord that passes through a circle's center point is the circle's diameter. Every diameter is a chord, but not every chord is a diameter. The word chord is from the Latin chorda meaning bowstring. == Chords of a circle == Among properties of chords of a circle are the following: Chords are equidistant from the center if and only if their...

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill heh. I don't remember that one

Granted math is hard. Lets chase squirrels.

Burgi

@DavidPostill we didn't cover that in GCSE maths

DavidPostill

@Burgi There you go then. It was covered in O level maths ;p

Journeyman Geek

11:40

oh snap

there's a chance chat may be affected by the test-failure

Chat is a good question, we'll discuss. Docs, Jobs, Story: yes, readonly - they're all in the Stack Overflow and Careers databases. — Nick Craver ♦ 1 hour ago

Burgi

when is the test happening?

nvm

why don't they do it on monday instead?

its a national holiday across most of the western world

DavidPostill

@Burgi Because all the devops are on holiday?

Journeyman Geek

lol

this might be an excuse to get an IRC server up for a bit ;)

Burgi

@DavidPostill rubbish! ;)

Ramhound

This question has a spam answer: superuser.com/questions/611507/…

infernet is horrible otherwise i would have linked to the answer

(signal quality)

Journeyman Geek

11:57

@Ramhound not any more.

Boris_yo

This: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_xa-7950.php
And this: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_x-7948.php

allquixotic

12:23

@bwDraco s/billions/4 billion/, s/Firefox/Chrome, s/Gecko/Blink/, s/Flash/HTML5 Video/, s/dozens of/60/ :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

@allquixotic so essentially everything?

satibel

hello

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek yep

bwDraco

12:38

Well, Firefox is essentially a niche browser these days.

Journeyman Geek

lol. That's a bit of a sweeping statement.

allquixotic

Bob wouldn't like that :P

jokerdino

lol I forgot what's niche again.

allquixotic

Bob's reaction to Firefox being marginalized

bwDraco

It has less than 15% usage share, and likely less than 10%.

DavidPostill

12:42

Every browser has < 15% except chrome :)

allquixotic

@DavidPostill well. Mobile Safari :D

funny how Safari is noticeably better than the third most popular; all dem iPhones

DavidPostill

@allquixotic Not according to statcounter :)

allquixotic

(I guarantee you less than 1% of Safari's share is due to Macs)

because who the hell runs Safari on a Mac when there's Chrome on Mac

DavidPostill

@allquixotic The same kind of people who run IE or FF when there is Chrome on Windows? ;p

bwDraco

(all iOS browsers appear as Safari due to the WebKit restriction; see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers)

allquixotic

12:44

@DavidPostill yeah. Dumb people (in the case of IE/Edge, not FF)

DavidPostill

I'm glad you ninja'd that :)

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill oi

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek wat?

Journeyman Geek

I run FF ;p

allquixotic

France likes Firefox

so what's that east Asian country that likes IE? ... Japan?

Journeyman Geek

12:47

what's yellow?

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I was just about to slap @allquixotic, for calling you, @Bob and I dumb :)

allquixotic

UC Browser

Journeyman Geek

0_0

that actually almost makes sense

DavidPostill

@allquixotic That's 2 years out of date :)

allquixotic

Greenland's a bunch of Mac users

bwDraco

12:48

Mar 16 at 2:17, by bwDraco

Firefox was the last major browser to adopt a multiprocess model.

Mar 3 at 1:44, by bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek The problem is that the most obvious alternative to Chrome, Firefox, is quite poor by today's standards and is really only of interest to power users.

allquixotic

weird how Opera owns most of Africa

that's just weird

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco Works for me ;p

and I have it set up for my workflow

bwDraco

Sep 17 '16 at 4:36, by bwDraco

This is why people are not using Firefox any more. Not only is it slower than the competition, it's an outright battery hog compared to Edge or even Chrome (which made substantial strides over the last several months).

Journeyman Geek

on a desktop mostly....

bwDraco

(see context)

allquixotic

12:50

meh, I'm not using FF because it takes more effort to search; I'm so used to the pattern of Ctrl+T, start typing, hit enter.... FF (last I checked) makes you CLICK in the field before you can start searching

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic I wonder if its old phones and opera mobile...

allquixotic

and I prefer google's sync over FF Sync

Journeyman Geek

that would make a ton of sense

jokerdino

@DavidPostill and me :/

bwDraco

Jan 19 at 3:34, by bwDraco

I'm concerned about Firefox performing poorly in battery life tests. They have not improved meaningfully. Edge provides the best battery life; Chrome is a close second with their recent improvements.

jokerdino

12:52

@allquixotic Desktop? No need to click.

Wait, I only have the omni bar.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic I have FF setup to have an omnibar

bwDraco

Jan 19 at 3:35, by bwDraco

Given the increasingly mobile user base, Firefox's high CPU usage is going to hurt their market share as Microsoft continues to promote their browser's superior battery life.

Journeyman Geek

and with a layout I probably will have to hack into vivaldi at some point

allquixotic

the fact that an omnibar isn't the default for Firefox still bugs me

satibel

@allquixotic because opera used to have turbo which was great, and I guess it just stayed.

Journeyman Geek

12:53

(cause darnit. Why can I not just have one bar with everything on it...)

bwDraco

Look, lots of us like Firefox but this is really getting me concerned.

DavidPostill

@allquixotic It's now chrome as well gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/all/africa

jokerdino

Who started this browser war?

DavidPostill

@jokerdino @allquixotic

31 mins ago, by allquixotic

@bwDraco s/billions/4 billion/, s/Firefox/Chrome, s/Gecko/Blink/, s/Flash/HTML5 Video/, s/dozens of/60/ :P

jokerdino

o.O

allquixotic

12:55

@DavidPostill I didn't start the browser war; Netscape and MSFT did

DavidPostill

@allquixotic Oh all right then :)

satibel

vivaldi FTW

DavidPostill

@allquixotic The first web browser was invented in 1990 by Sir Tim Berners-Lee. Berners-Lee is the director of the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), which oversees the Web's continued development, and is also the founder of the World Wide Web Foundation. His browser was called WorldWideWeb and later renamed Nexus

allquixotic

!! s/viv//

Journeyman Geek

aldi? ;p

DavidPostill

12:57

The first commonly available web browser with a graphical user interface was Erwise. The development of Erwise was initiated by Robert Cailliau.

In 1993, browser software was further innovated by Marc Andreessen with the release of Mosaic, "the world's first popular browser",[6] which made the World Wide Web system easy to use and more accessible to the average person.

Netscape came later :)

Journeyman Geek

you can still run mosaic on a modern linux box.

@DavidPostill IIRC IE actually has some mosaic lineage

allquixotic

lineage, yes, but no more code based on it

maybe a few internal API definitions (but not their implementation) at most

DavidPostill

And what about Lynx?

As of 2017, it is the oldest web browser currently in general use and development, having started in 1992.

allquixotic

Lynx is practically useless; no JS

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