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2:00 AM
@Bob S8
 
Bob
@TOWMN it does?
hmmmmm
 
@Bob lol
 
Bob
HMMMMMM.
 
So it only just barely now reaches the definition of 4G, and they're calling it LTE Advanced Pro 4.5G Nearly 5G stepping stone.
And I thought LTE Advanced Non Pro was 4.5G already
 
> The goal here is that where Intel has four cores with no hyperthreading, AMD can provide six cores with SMT, effectively offering three times as many threads for the same price and potentially smashing any multithreaded workload.
 
2:03 AM
hm. THere's something amusing about updating and rebooting your watch.
 
"smashing any multithreaded workload"
heh.
 
 
Bob
 
What does any of this even have to do with pizza?!
 
Bob
@TOWMN ^ that's from the right side. yea I don't see any along the bottom
 
2:04 AM
> Here we have twelve threads against four, at a 95W TDP compared to a 91W TDP (the 1600 is 65W, which looks better on paper). It is expected that for situations where a compute workload can scale across cores and threads that the AMD chip will wipe the floor with the competition. For more generic office workloads, it will interesting to see where the marks fall.
We already know what Ryzen 7 chips can do. Ryzen 5 sounds mighty interesting for a mainstream processor.
 
Bob
@TOWMN Uh. Slightly late, but Dominos protip: there's usually a coupon
Doesn't apply to the $5 ones though
 
You're still going to sacrifice some single-threaded performance, but anything multithreaded should run much faster on the Ryzen processor.
 
@Bob @TOWMN If you google Pizza Hut here in NZ, there's always a Google Ad for 40% off Dominoes. Might be the same in AUS.
 
@Bob Ah nice. Thanks.
My photos folder ^^
 
Bob
s/anything multithreaded/some rather specific heavily-multithreaded applications/
 
2:06 AM
> We have confirmation from AMD that there are no silly games going to be played with Ryzen 5. The six-core parts will be a strict 3+3 combination, while the four-core parts will use 2+2. This will be true across all CPUs, ensuring a consistent performance throughout.
 
Bob
Dunno how many times I have to repeat this, but... most programs simply have no use for more than 2 cores.
 
The real question is whether this is an appropriate trade-off.
 
Bob
@MichaelFrank depends on state and sometimes store
@MichaelFrank @TOWMN you can also find some here: ozbargain.com.au/deals/dominos.com.au
 
@Bob heh, the watch now has a on watch app store link... that crashes immediately
 
@Bob We have tinyurl.com/pizzacoupons ;)
 
Bob
2:09 AM
@bwDraco for office use? probably doesn't really matter, but generally... nope. you'd get absolutely nothing past the 4th core, and little to nothing past the 2nd
even web browsing, etc
 
@Bob Yeah. I'm not too sure more than 4C/4T is genuinely useful for light consumer applications.
Maybe 4C/8T.
 
Bob
uses cases for more cores is (specialised applications|lots, lots of programs open|running VMs)
 
Or lots of browser tabs. Chrome and Edge are both process-per-tab.
 
@Bob I think I'll just stick with the $5 pickup, it's literally nextdoor
 
Perhaps the later Ryzen 3 processors (4C/4T) will make sense here.
 
2:11 AM
Closer than any supermarkets and cheaper than Woolworths pizza
 
Bob
@bwDraco Chrome (and probably Edge) are actually process-per-site-instance by default
 
 
Bob
but it's probably close enough to -per-tab, yea
 
Here's one I found at the beach yesterday (warning large file)
Oh wait shit it doesn't thumbnail for onebox oops
 
Yea... it's still spinning here.
 
2:12 AM
10-port (omg) wideband 1700-2600 antenna. Quite old looking. Sadly most of the labels are too worn out for me to read
 
I kinda suspect more cores will mean better performance for future consumer workloads, but the benefit is limited as things are today.
 
What I need is a drone :-/
 
Bob
@TOWMN uh... if it's a large file, better to not onebox :P
 
So is it your job to take pictures of these things? Or is this a hobby?
 
Dunno if Imgur recompresses it, the original from my camera was just 4 meg
@Bob I thought it'd thumbnail!
 
2:13 AM
4.8 MB.
 
Bob
@bwDraco also, won't matter much with background tabs being heavily throttled
Chrome is increasing throttling with a view towards fully suspending them in a year or two
 
@Bob Yeah. Chrome is starting to throttle background tabs.
 
Got about 50+50mbps off that site, 1800+2700
 
Bob
@bwDraco Not starting to. It's been standard for all major browsers for years.
 
Not sure about Firefox. Mozilla has been way behind the times.
 
Bob
2:14 AM
They're ... doing something. Maybe more aggressive, maybe more explicit. But it's been done for probably half a decade now.
 
Firefox does throttle background tabs if I'm not mistaken, but not to the same degree.
 
Bob
@bwDraco Firefox has been doing it for years too.
It's nothing new, despite what media (and Google) want you to believe.
 
I'm just not familiar with modern browser internals. I really need to get back to studying JS...
 
Bob
@bwDraco Yea, sure. "behind the times". uhhhh... no?
Safari is the only major browser that I'd say isn't really pushing any boundaries.
They're mostly content to sit on webkit and follow Chrome, it seems.
 
Firefox was the last major browser to adopt a multiprocess model.
 
Bob
2:18 AM
@bwDraco And the first browser to introduce webasm. And the first browser to introduce containerisation.
etc etc
 
Well, that speaks to just how little I know about Web technologies.
 
Bob
They're all behind in some ways, ahead in others.
multiprocess is rather overdue, yes. that's a particularly bad one.
 
I realize you know this because webdev is your job but there's lots for me to catch up on.
 
Bob
I think at the moment, yes, Firefox is somewhat behind in perf. But it's not exactly 'outdated' either.
(actually, used a bad example above - webasm is jointly developed as a standard. ff just happened to be the first to get it into a release build... IIRC chrome will be doing so in ~2 versions)
@bwDraco tbh most of this isn't what I directly work on
I don't get to touch much cutting-edge stuff :(
it's still the ol' IE legacy holding that back
 
Ah, well. I'll see what I can do. My schedule has been out of whack lately.
 
Bob
2:22 AM
ooh, CSS Grid is in release now too
@bwDraco I just raed the browser dev blogs, mostly out of interest :P
If it interests you, go ahead. But it's not something you're obligated to do, obviously.
@bwDraco Main change for Chrome is instead of just throttling timer frequency it'll also throttle based on historical CPU usage
 
"how can we keep our jobs from going to these newfangled webkiddies..."


"I know! Let's keep developing for IE8, none of them know how to code for it!"
 
lol
 
@MichaelFrank Hobby
And not so much take pictures as figure out what the networks are doing and how/why/where/when
 
@TOWMN I expect a map of the best spots for mobile internet at some point then. :)
 
Bob
@bwDraco Actually, yea, Chrome seems to be putting most of its focus on the mobile front lately
Lotsa new APIs there :P
 
2:28 AM
@MichaelFrank I already have one four
But probably not for your country
 
Bob
@bwDraco FYI:
> e10s-multi tentatively scheduled to ship to release in Firefox 55 with 4 content processes
> Recent measurements show that we’re quite competitive, memory-wise, in this configuration
hm
IE's still lower
 
@Bob I've been hearing about e10s-multi hitting release lately.
 
Bob
where's Edge?
wait, why is memory usage on macOS so high?
and Chrome's memory usage is just... urk.
 
It's starting to get late and I kinda want to start earlier tomorrow.
@Bob Chrome is still a memory hog.
 
Bob
wonder if that's a measurement error
@bwDraco not so much for me, but I don't have a million tabs on it :P
 
2:33 AM
lol
 
Bob
I think Chrome proper isn't too bad, but once you open devtools... yea it shoots right up
 
Hopefully, I can find the time to pull out the books and start studying JS again.
I've just been tied up with family-related tasks lately.
Alright, then. I'm going to bed soon.
 
Bob
then again they probably don't bother optimising devtools much
@bwDraco 'night
 
@Bob yeah lol
Chrome's single handedly been responsible for the pricing of the DRAM market over the past five years
@Bob Oh good I can plan on moving back to firefox once it hits version 60 then :-P
> Edge was disqualified because it seemed to bypass the hosts file and wouldn’t load pages from unique domains. I can do measurements so I might revisit this, but it wouldn’t have been a fair comparison as-is.
 
2:51 AM
Seems legit...
(watch appstore app)
 
Better work stories time! "We got a complaint once from a guy that wrote in, saying that after 30 months of use, the bristles on his toothbrush were no longer straight."
 
PSA: Beware third-party Amazon sellers misrepresenting items! Just got burned by this: I ordered three "New" condition Dell U2417H monitors from "Better Choice Online" (Fulfilled by Amazon Prime), and received three new-looking Dell branded boxes, labeled "U2417H", with... P2417H monitors within. No MST, $40-ish cheaper than the U.
Gave them 1 star review, reported them to Amazon customer service who told me they will forward the complaint to their fraud investigation department, and I'm returning the items to Amazon's warehouse where they will look at the item, confirm that the seller misrepresented the items, and likely ban them from doing business on Amazon.
 
> As of today, there are 529 counts of negative feedback from people who also never received their purchases from one of the three fraudulent sellers (EVILLE, xkuehns, HJSGHUY)
 
@allquixotic ow
 
3:06 AM
The seller literally has "EVIL" in the name. o.o
 
The probability of Dell mistakenly packaging new P2417H monitors in U2417H boxes... THREE SEPARATE TIMES... is basically zero.
I could understand a 1/3 fluke. But 3/3? That's a scam.
 
@allquixotic also... heh, if they had been the right monitors... sounds like a crazy cool setup ;p
 
Would be perfect for an flight sim!
But that is really disappointing to hear that happen. :(
 
@allquixotic How much cheaper would it have been compared to actually buying it from dell?
 
@JourneymanGeek for gaming I'm sticking with my Acer Predator X34, but for my work room I'll have 3 x U2417H
both my work laptops support MST (I think...!!!!) so I'll be daisy chaining them :P
 
3:13 AM
ah, clever
I think any modern dp output should daisy chain
In theory I can test that on my x220 if you want
 
@JourneymanGeek well, Dell charges shipping, and these MFers are heavy, and Dell won't even ship them until March 21st if I ordered today, and these came two business days after I ordered despite a snowstorm
 
ah
Yeah, they do
 
I got free shipping and the item price was $30 cheaper than Dell's asking price.
 
ALSO... Amazon.com themselves sell the item first-party (Ships and sold by amazon.com) on their site, but they were sold out when I looked, so I went with the easier option that was $2.50 cheaper than Amazon per unit, and in-stock
I should've ordered from Amazon first-party and waited
 
3:15 AM
but it totally was not the product you asked for
ya
 
Amazon first-party has NEVER fucked me over
even when I bought a horrible tablet of theirs they gave me a refund
 
(Then again, I've had insane luck with my wierd, random purchases)
 
I'm still dreaming of building that desktop...
 
One monitor, one phone off fleabay
 
fleabay
nice
 
3:17 AM
speaking of which, I need to see if I still have any VGA cables left. I want to check if my old desktop works at some point, and I think the video card's digital outs might have died
 
@JourneymanGeek sadly, fleabay has better purchase reliability than Amazon third-party sellers -_-
you can tell a reliable eBay seller by having a relatively small activity history but an old account
i.e. someone who has been around a long time and done honest business
 
@allquixotic With my monitor, I just shopped around for places with good, well spelled reviews outside fleabay
 
@JourneymanGeek the laptops I'm testing with have Haswell-H IGPs (no dedicated graphics). An i5 and an i7
 
@allquixotic x220's sandy
 
Bob
@allquixotic could be if a whole line went wrong. actually, that's more likely. but then QC should've caught it
@allquixotic Amazon marketplace is eBay in disguise
 
3:45 AM
@allquixotic Hey at least they do something about it, unlike Paypal. Not too big a burn when you get to return them for free and get a full refund.
Also what were you doing buying 3 new monitors :-o
 
32 mins ago, by allquixotic
@JourneymanGeek for gaming I'm sticking with my Acer Predator X34, but for my work room I'll have 3 x U2417H
 
Bob
 
@allquixotic tbh I've never been fucked over by amazon third party either, but the number of times I've had any issues with any party over Amazon I've had excellent service and quick refunds no questions asked
I've had plenty of shitty quality products, but that's what you get when you pay $5 for stuff
 
The first time I ever bought something online it didn't turn up.
 
My flatmate's had late or missing Amazon first-party orders, but again, instant refund, no questions asked
 
3:53 AM
Cost me about ~$110
 
Free same-day delivery so half the time I can order tomorrow and still get it in time
Don't think I've ever been scammed on Ebay either, had a few "item not quite as described" but often Ebay either refund me or let me keep the item and refund me.
The only proper scam I've been victim to is this Paypal one in Melbourne last week, and they're being c*nts about it
 
4:13 AM
@TOWMN 1. the fastest I've ever gotten an Amazon order (without paying ridiculous fees for next-day shipping) was ordering something at like 6 AM on a boring Wednesday and having it come Thursday afternoon (late; between 5 and 8 PM)
2. even though I'll get all my money back, it was still a massive hassle to open all those boxes, realize it's the wrong shit, then package it all up again, and have to order new
3. it's not an instant refund; they'll give me my money after they get the items back in the warehouse
so as far as cash flow I could be out the money for upwards of a week
 
@allquixotic That's the US for you, here we get free same and next-day shipping with Prime (which I got for free before but pay for now)
@allquixotic True. But errors happen nomatter what, scam or no scam, I've had to send back wrong items many times
@allquixotic That's the US for you, here we get instant refunds for certain returns (I don't know which though)
Cash flow wise it all goes on my credit card anyway, so meh.
Paypal on the other hand, aren't even bothering to read my emails, demanding that I go contact the hacker myself and politely ask for a refund.
 
@TOWMN I think first-party items sold by Amazon.com might have instant refunds, but not third-party items
 
4:31 AM
Probably
OK now I gotta figure out a way to get from Tuxedo Cat to Royal Croquet Club in Adelaide in zero minutes
 
@TOWMN : Teleport
 
Can any cats teleport?
@GypsySpellweaver Can tuxedo cats teleport?
 
naw, cats can't
Schnauzers do
 
@JourneymanGeek According to Heinlen they walk through wall though.
 
@GypsySpellweaver its the cat that walks through walls
which indicates its unique
 
4:36 AM
@JourneymanGeek well, if one can, other just don't get caught :P
 
@bwDraco Ready for action, but not the sharpest knife in the drawer
@bwDraco What kind of desktop you planning to build
oops, not @JourneymanGeek @bwDraco
Fiddle sticks, fat fingers today
 
11 hours ago, by bwDraco
PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f2TpM8
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f2TpM8/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($330.98 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid Pro 140 64.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus CROSSHAIR VI HERO ATX AM4 Motherboard ($277.63 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 960 PRO 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($359.29 @ B&H)
 
@bwDraco Makes mine look super modest, except for storage anyway. PCPartPicker part list: pcpartpicker.com/list/Psjq7h
 

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