my girlfriend is suggesting i look for a new job :S

@bwDraco More stable than what? From the data on that page... sure, if you're comparing with previous-gen chips, but Broadwell-E, Skylake and Kaby Lake still come out on top with Crysis 3.

If you're comparing to an i7-2600k... the fact it's competitive at all is amazing. That's a 2011 chip there...

@Bob It's important to realize that AMD is starved for money.

@bwDraco ...that only matters if you buy for political reasons.

You've claimed "it often delivers more stable frame rates". Therefore, I look at that technical claim.

Bottom line? AFAICT, they do not provide "more stable" frame rates than, say, an i7-7700k.

That they're up there is very nice.

@Bob But competition is good, no?

@bertieb Yes. It's good. But it's no reason to misrepresent technical facts.

I concede.

It's also good enough to say "it's competitive, it's very close, it's cheaper ("?), ..."

I think I might have misread the article, but this is not the first time I've made inaccurate statements.

But if you want to say it's better, you kinda need hard facts backing that up too.

@Bob, are you losing trust in me?

@Bob Ah yea agreed (I missed that part if I'm honest), thought you meant something else by political :P

To anyone misled here, I'm very sorry.

@bwDraco There's no real problem with inaccurate statements. And I might've misread it too.

@Bob, you always read with a skeptical mind. I need to start doing this.

@bwDraco I think in this case the article itself didn't say anything wrong either.

I just... kinda noticed they included an i7-2600k and a Bulldozer chip in the comparisons. And didn't notice the Z270 tab for a while -_-

On the first read I thought they didn't even compare to Skylake+ at all, so had to go hunting for that.

@bwDraco Don't worry about being wrong or raising opinions - and please don't take any of my messages as discouraging that kind of thing.

Different people will always view things differently; it's not a problem.

@tereško It's always the boards :P I only upgraded for the new mobo...

@tereško I feel sorry for you :P

(nah, it's a decent CPU, depending on what you're doing with it)

@TOWMN That's new... might be a nbn thing. Also, welcome to Australia!

@bwDraco Interesting - and a bit odd these days. Kinda makes memory overclocking a bit iffy, no?

@Bob Yeah, that's really weird.

@bertieb It also kinda depends what you're comparing against, I think. Against Intel 8-core parts? It's great! Much cheaper, lots of multi-thread power. Against mainstream Intel 2/4-core parts (~home use)? It's competitive, to be sure, but it's not quite in the no-brainer purchase category.

Fair enough, I don't know much beyond the reports of "AMD might have staved off impending financial doom and are somewhat competitive again"

A new-CPU build is... not in my budget likely for quite some time, barring some very lucky number picks :P

@bertieb The gist of it is they're (IIRC) more or less at Haswell levels now, with more cores for cheaper.

And of course all the shiny new stuff like USB 3.1 gen2

nods Right, right... Haswell's one of them Intel things, right? (:P)~

lol

@bertieb yea, kinda painful when you realise a new CPU also means new motherboard also means new RAM...

It all adds up, as they say

@bwDraco I kinda feel like... this is a good breakthrough for them, but it won't really be great until the next gen. A couple of questionable design decisions that only become obvious in real-world use. But they'll probably stick with AM4 (a good thing, mind).

They also have to work with software and motherboard vendors to iron out bugs that are holding back its performance.

AM4 is not a mature platform.

@bwDraco Some of these feel like rather big things that should have been sorted out before release, not after

Yeah. Tom's Hardware said the Ryzen launch was rushed.

> It's a bummer the Ryzen launch was so clearly rushed. We expected AMD to have a better explanation for its gaming performance, but all of the feedback we received from the company came very last-minute. It's hard to imagine these shortcomings weren't discovered previously and diagnosed more thoroughly.

tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cpu,4951-12.html

lol

No HSF attached.

@bwDraco That's what I was saying the other day... can they possibly argue "we didn't notice Windows wasn't distributing its workload efficiently"?

They should've been testing with Windows from the first ES!

IIRC one AMD engineer claimed that Microsoft didn't fix it in time

I call BS

How much notice did they give, exactly?

Hm. I actually wonder if this is something that can be controlled by a kernel-mode driver.

Anybody good at iptables madness? :-) I asked a question superuser.com/questions/1186204/… but the comments are getting so extended that I figured I should take it to the chat.

@Bob essentially the only parts you keep on a 5 year cycle are case, maybe storage, and monitors ;)

@JourneymanGeek Or in the case where I work, everything. :P

Basically I am trying to allow all https requests to be resolved but I want to resolve all http requests to my local web server. Currently I have it to where all the http requests are resolved to my server but the problem is https requests give "problem loading page". I can't figure out if this is a dnsmaq issue or iptables issue and how to fix it.

@MichaelFrank most officies don't really do the 5 year cycle

they either lease or run it to the ground

I think the term for what I am trying to do is a walled garden

This place is certainly "running it into the ground".

this one has your name on it

and HNQ potential

go go go.

I'm working on it :P

Perhaps that will make me reconsider running for mod...

I have a http server via apache2 on port 80 but I don't know how to handle the https requests to let them pass through

what does that have to do as running with a mod?

@NULL captive portal*