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DavidPostill

00:02

@TOWMN Lol. Did you remember to get an AU Visa?

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco I flashed mine to stock and it was a single file

and I got mine flashed with a dodgy chinese rom with a unlocked bootloader

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek I had to extract several files from the factory images to flash them at the bootloader on my Nexus 5X.

Journeyman Geek

00:25

@bwDraco one of the big selling points of the op3 is easy third party roms

so, unlock it with fastboot... and that's roughly it

Burgi

00:47

this is making my head hurt:

AI "Stop Button" Problem - Computerphile

►

Bob

@TOWMN flight costs same as train :P

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi he's assuming a paperclip AI at first

Burgi

@JourneymanGeek i think that is to break down the problem for n00blets or drunks

the SE mentality, reduce the problem to its simplest form in order to explain it

Journeyman Geek

Which works well

Burgi

01:07

it still makes my head hurt

although he doesn't say it i think it is probably an unsolvable problem

effectively you (the collective you not the you, yourself) are saying is that we need to invent a digital moral compass that we can apply to AI

another good vid:

The Science of Thinking

►

that was the last one i swear

Michael Frank

@Burgi Who makes the rules?

Burgi

thats sort of the point

Michael Frank

They touched on that in I, Robot.

Burgi

all great sci-fi has to touch on the questions we, as a species, ask ourselves

what makes me me? are we alone? etc

my english teacher in high school listed what makes a story science fiction

i cannot for the life of me remember all the requirements

the one that sticks out is stories about "self"

i think he listed 7 things

self being the 7th

the other 6, iirc, covered the traditional sci-fi tropes

this probably borders on drunken ramblings now so i'll shut up

Ben N

01:28

Hey, there's this really neat SE site about non-implementation-detail aspects of artificial intelligence ;)

TOWMN

@Bob Then why does the train even exist!

bwDraco

Ryzen-based PC build, code name Astaroth: pcpartpicker.com/user/FieryDragonLord/saved/pRCqsY

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dtYz9W
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dtYz9W/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor ($499.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid Pro 140 64.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus CROSSHAIR VI HERO ATX AM4 Motherboard ($277.63 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($224.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 960 PRO 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($357.11 @ B&H)

TOWMN

Urgh. Having no money doesn't feel good.

I shall ignore this unpleasant sensation by continuing to spend money as if I had endless amounts of it and pretending everything is fine.

allquixotic

@TOWMN works fine if you're the government, but as a Little Person you'll quickly find yourself in trouble

Burgi

@TOWMN that sounds like a fundamental scifi/existential question...

bwDraco

01:34

Same build philosophy as Alastor but uses the 8C/16T Ryzen 7 1800X instead. Due to compatibility issues with the H100i v2 that Alastor is specified for, the liquid cooler is a bit different.

allquixotic

@bwDraco looks good, except if the 1080 Ti is within $75-85 of that 1080's price point, you might wanna see

or even hold off for Vega to see how good/bad it is, maybe it'll be better, maybe not

bwDraco

Builds will be updated once 1080 Ti is listed.

TOWMN

@allquixotic Meh, once the banks eventually stop giving me more money I shall just go pop myself and die happy in the knowledge I had some fun while I lived...

Burgi

there was that film about all of humanity stuck on a train

Journeyman Geek

snowpiercer

TOWMN

01:36

@Burgi o_0 do you remember the name?

I like trains

Michael Frank

@TOWMN @JourneymanGeek said it.

bwDraco

Ryzen is also subject to as-yet unresolved software issues that are holding it back.

TOWMN

@MichaelFrank Oh

Burgi

not sure in scifi or a damning documentary on the british rail network

bwDraco

7 hours ago, by bwDraco

/r/amd community consensus on Ryzen performance anomalies: A bug in Windows 10 is causing the system to erroneously treat each hardware thread as its own core, resulting in overloaded cores and degraded performance. It also appears Windows fails to account for the fact that the eight cores span two core complexes (CCXs), and may schedule threads across them even when not necessary, which also hurts performance.

Journeyman Geek

01:37

there's also a comic book that's been recently (partially?) translated to english from fgrench

Burgi

also a daming insight into british rail...

my girlfriend spent today spending me links to ikea beds that i should buy...

all of them had posts... O.o

i might be reading between the lines here but i suspect the swedes are kinky buggers

Bob

@TOWMN beats me

ChatBot John Cavil

@TOWMN also a daming insight into british fail... (source)

TOWMN

@Bob but you know everything!

Journeyman Geek

@TOWMN cause it probably always has, and some people prefer rail to flying

Burgi

01:56

i cannot wait for the bearing straits rail tunnel

it would mean you could catch a train here in manchester and travel all the way to NYC via rail

obviously changing where gauge dictated

a few of issues: 1. americans hate russians. 2. russians hate americans. 3. the bearing straits cross a continential shelf

they can't build a bridge because of icebergs

Sathya

05:23

morning

Psycogeek

was-up there Sathya (for real what are you up to)

Sathya

it's monday and back at work

another week starts..

Psycogeek

ahh still sunday night here. If you could get mondays lottery numbers for me . . . :-)

Sathya

:D

I wish

Journeyman Geek

05:47

hi

Sathya

hiya

2

bwDraco

06:34

#TIL: "Devil Dogs" is a nickname for the @USMC #Military #Marines

Tweeted by bwDraco on March 6, 2017 at 6:32 AM

:P

!!/wiki Devil Dog

ChatBot John Cavil

Devil Dog

Devil Dog is a motivational nickname for a U.S. Marine. It is said by US Marines to be based on the apocryphal use of "Teufel Hunden" [sic][idiomatic German: "Höllenhunde"] by German soldiers to describe Marines fighting in World War I. == Origin == According to United States Marine Corps legend, the moniker was used by German soldiers to describe U.S. Marines who fought in the Battle of Belleau Wood in 1918. The Marines fought with such ferocity that they were likened to "Dogs from Hell." The "Devil Dogs" nickname for Marines first appeared in newspapers in the United States in April 1918 - about...

Bob

you've obviously never played CoD

bwDraco

:P

Journeyman Geek

That poster is hilarious.

Bob

hm

bwDraco

06:41

Apparently, the term traces back to WWI.

Bob

I wonder what the diff between i5-7600k and i7-7700k is

bwDraco

@Bob Mainly 4C/4T vs 4C/8T.

Journeyman Geek

woof

bwDraco

The i7 is also slightly higher clocked.

@JourneymanGeek lol

Bob

@bwDraco Yea, I can see the spec sheet differences, but I meant more real-world usage

But we won't know unless we try, I guess

Journeyman Geek

06:43

@bwDraco seemed the neatest way to do it

Bob

doing an Intel build for now

Journeyman Geek

@Bob puget does quite a lot of non gaming benchmarks

Bob

will revisit AMD in a week or two

bwDraco

Depends on workload. Most games see a slight gain with the i7, but anything heavily threaded will perform noticeably better on the i7.

(that includes workstation applications)

Psycogeek

When I explored the diff between I-5 and I-7 i was thinking the i-5 was not even quad. When i applied a I-5 quad for the first time and over clocked it zactaly the same as my I-7 , the thing was just as fast for everything.

Journeyman Geek

06:44

@Bob tho, if you're not OCing, non K makes sense

Bob

what we're working with:

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/rgKLYr
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/bDT7d6
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/TwFhTH

@JourneymanGeek yea, I don't expect him to overclock

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek The non-K version is slightly slower clocked.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco slightly

bwDraco

It's a good deal cheaper, though.

If you're not overclocking look at a B250 or H270 board.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob for you or someone else?

Bob

06:45

2 days ago, by Bob

> example of software: matlab, solidworks, coding->editors, photoshop, videoeditting, stuff like that
example of games: the free and popular ones: csgo, league, maybe some mmorpg, maybe some rts games, etc

@JourneymanGeek for mech keyboard guy :P

Journeyman Geek

zat monitor makes a little less sense with 4k

Bob

he said $1.5k-$2k

Journeyman Geek

ah!

yeah, for most purposes that's fine

bwDraco

@Bob Mainly workstation with a bit of light gaming. I'm actually leaning towards Ryzen for this.

Bob

2 mins ago, by Bob

will revisit AMD in a week or two

Psycogeek

06:46

now if it is stuck with 2cores instead , that would be a problem, but the diff between 4 real cores and 8 fake cores, didnt ammount to $100 worth :-) Even though i will still want my I-7

bwDraco

I'd wait until the Ryzen bugs are sorted out; Windows seems to have a bit of trouble using the processor's resources properly.

Bob

@bwDraco that's why I said a week or two

Journeyman Geek

You'd probably only need to look at a different motherboard and processor

the rest, you can keep across the builds

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ya. maybe cooler too.

actually, could save $50 by ditching the cooler on the i5-7500

Journeyman Geek

@Bob from most reports the AMD coolers are good enough

bwDraco

06:49

@JourneymanGeek Ryzen 7 1700X and 1800X do not ship with a cooler.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco eh, something I forgot about

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek ...hence the similarity between Alastor and Astaroth

5 hours ago, by bwDraco

Same build philosophy as Alastor but uses the 8C/16T Ryzen 7 1800X instead. Due to compatibility issues with the H100i v2 that Alastor is specified for, the liquid cooler is a bit different.

"compatibility issues" as in "no AM4 bracket supplied" (I'll have to wait until PCPartPicker updates their part compatibility data).

corsair.com/en-us/…

(extra $5 part)

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco that's why I don't like being an early adopter

bwDraco

Only one of the two will be built, for obvious reasons.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob the core i5 build feels like it makes a ton of sense.

bwDraco

07:04

(Astaroth updated due to discrepancies.)

> solidworks [...] videoediting

4C/4T is not enough.

19 mins ago, by Bob

2 days ago, by Bob

> example of software: matlab, solidworks, coding->editors, photoshop, videoeditting, stuff like that
example of games: the free and popular ones: csgo, league, maybe some mmorpg, maybe some rts games, etc

Put the budget towards a better CPU. It's okay to just settle for a GTX 1050 or RX 460 for gaming (and I'm kinda leaning towards the latter).

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco also taking into account his budget

bwDraco

AU$1500-2000?

Not sure about the currency.

The intended workload screams for a Ryzen 7 processor. When does this machine need to be built by?

Journeyman Geek

er, 1) he's doing that next week

bwDraco

(Intel HEDT is not an option at this price point)

Journeyman Geek

2) Its not reliable yet, and if it keeps BSODIng... yeah, not good for someone who's not designing his own PC

bwDraco

07:13

Also, is a workstation GPU an option?

I'm not sure a gaming GPU is appropriate here. The mention of "SOLIDWORKS" is very telling.

It'll handle lighter gaming just fine.

Cut back on the CPU, get a Radeon Pro WX 7100 instead?

(not sure if the budget will allow this)

bwDraco

07:25

It's very important to pay attention to the applications the user intends to run. If it includes anything like Creo, AutoCAD, or SOLIDWORKS, you need a workstation GPU. Consumer cards are not designed, tested, or validated for these applications and may crash altogether when running them.

Journeyman Geek

Of course, a lot of people do run cad software on desktop video cards, and in a lot of those cases, unless its really seriously heavy work, desktop cards are good enough. I mean, sure my old workplace used nvidia workstation cards, but often really old ones.

Our rendering was CPU heavy though but most people were on 4-8 cores and a pretty shitty video cards

Bob

08:15

@JourneymanGeek The non-k? :P

@bwDraco it's plenty. he's a uni student...

Journeyman Geek

@Bob yup

Bob

@bwDraco Ryzen 7 would be too expensive, probably. If he can't get an i7-7700k, he can't get a high-end Ryzen.

Journeyman Geek

that's the option I woulda taken with mine if I accidentally didn't end up with 200 quid more in my budget than I thought...

Bob

@bwDraco No. Just no. Stop thinking workstation.

Journeyman Geek

rofl

Bob

08:16

This isn't his job. It's a uni student running uni course applications.

bwDraco

Ah. That makes sense now.

Bob

A uni student who currently has a Ivy Bridge (?) laptop and 2004 Pentium 4 desktop.

bwDraco

You were away (presumably gaming)?

Bob

Anything is a massive upgrade.

@bwDraco nah, mowing lawn

Journeyman Geek

@Bob tbh, the perfect uni PC would be a blade stealth or a stream, depending on how poor you are ;).

s/mowing lawn/genociding populations of bugs

bwDraco

08:16

Why do you always use "uni" when we use "college"?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek he wants to share with his mother (who watches videos)

bwDraco

Is "college" wrong?

Bob

@bwDraco Because it's called a university here, not a college.

Regional differences.

bwDraco

Feb 19 at 17:00, by bwDraco

I guess "college" is an Americanism...

Bob

It's like asking why I spell things with an "s" instead of "z"...

bwDraco

08:17

Feb 19 at 17:12, by bwDraco

Here, colleges are basically higher-education institutions that may or may not form part of a larger university.

Bob

Or why I use cm intead of in

@bwDraco If you really want to split things up, each university consists of several faculties, and usually a couple campuses.

Each faculty has several schools.

Journeyman Geek

here we have schools of foo, or rich guy school of bar, as part of the $variable university

Bob

School of computer science and engineering (CSE) belongs to the faculty of engineering (at UNSW).

bwDraco

Never mind, sorry about this. This room tends to be dominated by non-American users...

Bob

Each school has several programs (some programs cross-school).

bwDraco

08:18

Sorry if any earlier statements were discriminatory.

Bob

Each program has several compulsory courses.

Uni > faculty > school > program > course.

Journeyman Geek

or module.

;p

cause of course, nothing seperates us like the language

bwDraco

It's getting really late here. Good night.

Bob

@bwDraco I think it's really a "anything made after 2010 is good enough" but the performance focus should probably lean slightly towards gaming.

The 'workstation' stuff isn't gonna get more demanding next year.

Games will.

@JourneymanGeek Hmmmm... actually, I dunno if the term "module" is used, or where it fits into that hierarchy :P

Maybe equivalent to program? Part of a program? idk.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob modules make up a course

Bob

08:20

Oh.

Journeyman Geek

or may be the same

bwDraco

@Bob We tend to use "program" and "major".

Bob

Hm. Yea, guess so.

@bwDraco We do that too.

Journeyman Geek

So, I have a dual major, which has a program running, and is a course of stufy which is made up of modules

Bob

@JourneymanGeek did that too. grain beetles were still here.

Journeyman Geek

08:21

of course my degree is aussie.

TOWMN

Ooh Bob's still up

Journeyman Geek

@TOWMN "still"

Bob

@TOWMN ... it's 7:20 PM lol

Journeyman Geek

its probably still sane o clock in upsidedownville.

bwDraco

nn

TOWMN

08:22

Is Adelaide really not worth visiting or just mildly boring?

Bob

@bwDraco 'night

@TOWMN I have no idea. Probably cause I've never been there :P

Journeyman Geek

@TOWMN VTC, opinion based.

Bob

It's certainly not as famous as Sydney and Melbourne.

TOWMN

I'm sure you said it wasn't worth it before cause there's not much to do

Bob

@TOWMN IMO. Because I've never really heard of any attractions there :P

You do get a more British accent there!

TOWMN

08:23

I've never heard of any attractions in Melbourne either :-P

Except girls. Though I can't remember if it's Melbourne or Adelaide I prefer the accents from now

Bob

@JourneymanGeek @bwDraco He's asking for arguments against this :P

Journeyman Geek

B series motherboard's a big one.

Bob

I'm thinking the main differences are: stock cooler, (no monitor), shoddier SSD, not Pro edition of OS, ...

Journeyman Geek

Not pro shouldn't matter for a lot of people.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek It's technically a big one, but still only ~$50 difference and honestly probably wouldn't affect him much.

I mean, I'd always go Z-series if possible. But.

Journeyman Geek

08:26

dodgy ssd is big.

the Ram upgrade's probably a good idea

Bob

It's hard to quantify the differences betweeb B250 and Z270 for a casual user.

Journeyman Geek

actually if the price with upgrade for the 7700 is 1430...

that seems sweet

assuming you can't do the same build cheaper

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Still locked, still stock cooler though.

I'm pretty sure you can do it cheaper if you catch parts on sale.

Journeyman Geek

nothing wrong with a stock cooler

yup

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Yea I told him to def get the RAM upgrade if he goes that way.

Journeyman Geek

08:28

there's not too much fundamentally wrong with that build

Bob

Oh yea. Probably dodgy PSU too :P

"500W PSU"

Journeyman Geek

eh, thermaltake case, so probably their own cases

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Noise is a minor concern.

Journeyman Geek

and thermaltake's second tier

Bob

Intel stock tends to run the fan a bit quick under load, and builds up dust easily.

@JourneymanGeek I wonder if it's actually a Thermaltake PSU or just some cheapie they chuck in.

Journeyman Geek

08:29

I've run one on mine for ages

seems ok

Bob

Don't like it when they don't list model numbers -_-

Journeyman Geek

prolly one bundled with the case

Bob

@JourneymanGeek The case model on Newegg doesn't show a PSU

Oh wait it does here thermaltake.com.au/products-model.aspx?id=C_00002328

Journeyman Geek

which reminds me

Bob

Huh. Interesting. Two 12V rails.

For a total of 370W.

Journeyman Geek

08:30

I need to pull out BB and check if she still runs

Bob

Eww. It's a dodgy cheapie PSU.

I mean, probably enough anyway.

But 370W 12V + 120W 5V...

Journeyman Geek

It'll work.

certainly worth throwing on the "upgrade in future" list

Bob

No 8-pin PCIe!

Journeyman Geek

If you're going to throw in a bigger video card, you need a PSU swap anyway

Bob

@JourneymanGeek It's just the ones that split it like that stink of marketing. "500W" when a modern system doesn't use nearly that much 5V.

Journeyman Geek

08:32

ah true

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Naw. i7-7700k + GTX 1080 would work fine on 400W.

Journeyman Geek

but I'm seeing it from the "you're getting support from the dealer" + "it'll work"

Bob

500W if you want to be safe.

750W should handle dual-1080 just fine.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob was thinking more quality + headroom + modularness.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek "support" and MSY don't belong in the same sentence. Not without a negation anyway.

Journeyman Geek

08:33

ah!

Bob

@JourneymanGeek The PSU has a voltage switch.

Journeyman Geek

ewwwwwwww

Bob

It. Has. A. Voltage. Switch.

'nuff said.

Journeyman Geek

(actually amusingly, I have owned many such PSUs. )

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Yea, my old one was.

But it stinks of "dodgy" -_-

Journeyman Geek

08:34

lol

Bob

> Steady output and excellent performing Intel ATX 12V 2.2 Compatible PSU, with 6-pin PCI-E connector included to support high-end graphic card.

"Intel ATX"??

"6-pin PCI-E ... high-end graphic card"?!

Sigh.

Journeyman Geek

> Ok then, I'll arrange the shipment of a new <redacted broken thing> today and you can expect to get your tracking number in a few days.

\o/

Bob

Wonder if anyone's done a teardown of this.

Journeyman Geek

I have prevailed against the horrors of chinese tech support.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Nice!

^ That message took 8 seconds to post :P

Journeyman Geek

08:37

which means I need to post a question on lifehacks

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Think it's this one. thermaltake.com.au/products-model.aspx?id=C_00002105

I love this.

> 500W ATX 12V 2.2

> Max. Output Capacity 400 Watts
Peak Output Capacity 500 Watts

Journeyman Geek

!!thatword

ChatBot John Cavil

Bob

500W my arse.

Oh wait that's the W0410, the one included is a W0425. Prolly the same.

@JourneymanGeek I think it's yet another case of their standalone PSUs being maybe ok, but their bundled ones being the same cheap crap you get bundled with any other cheap case...

TOWMN

> In Adelaide, you can enjoy stylish architecture, boutique shopping, sandy swimming beaches, fabulous arts events, nightlife, fine dining, and some of Australia's best café strips. Population is slightly over 1 million, which makes it Australia's fifth largest city and by far the largest city in the otherwise sparsely populated state.

Unlike the other state capitals of Australia, Adelaide has never been a convict settlement, and was settled entirely by free settlers since its founding.

Burgi

08:44

hence all the churches and weird murders

TOWMN

> One of the best times of the year to visit is during "Mad March", when a multitude of festivals and events are held. These include (see details below) the Adelaide Fringe, the Clipsal 500 Car race, the Adelaide Festival, WOMADelaide, The Adelaide Cup horse racing carnival and the touring Soundwave Future Music Festivals Groovin the Moo and Stereosonic Usually attended by the youth and young adults.

Huh

> Clipsal 500, During mid-March, the Clipsal 500 supercar racing event is very popular, sporting massive street parties, huge concert line-ups and many fanatic Adelaidians.
Adelaide Fringe Festival. During late Feb-Mar, the Fringe Festival (second largest of its type in the world) and Festival of Arts bring the city alive with music, art, circus, comedy, theatre, dance and culture from throughout the globe. Both are large and very popular events visited by people from all over the world.
WOMAD, (World of Music Arts and Dance) is another hugely popular music festival now held every year in M…

No attractions huh

I totally forgot about the Adelaide Fringe Festival (second largest of its type in the world)

I got told about it by a bunch of Aussies at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival (single largest of its type in the world)

Burgi

09:02

morning btw

Boris_yo

Logged into bank until realized "Browsec VPN" for Chrome was activated. Deactivated it and changed bank password. Is it a possibility VPN can eavesdrop?

Burgi

the way i understand VPNs i don't think so as the traffic is encrypted

Boris_yo

@Burgi Does encryption level depend on bank?

Burgi

that i do not know.

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi between you and the VPN

between you and the bank bloody well ought to be TLS

DavidPostill

09:14

@JourneymanGeek So the answer is yes, as the version of TLS used depends on the bank ...

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill maybe

or just use TFA so your password matters somewhat less

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek ?

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill I was replying to Burgi mainly ;p

DavidPostill

I was confused by the maybe ...

Burgi

thats kind of what i meant but didn't say

Bob

09:20

@JourneymanGeek TLS*

Journeyman Geek

@Bob >_>

THAT'S WHAT I SAID!

DavidPostill

Now my comment looks stupid :/

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill FTFY

DavidPostill

!!s/SSL/SSL\/TLS/

thx :)

Burgi

OMGWTFBBQ

DavidPostill

09:27

lol

@Burgi I hope it's warmer in Personchester than it is here :)

Burgi

10:14

the man in manchester comes from mammeries btw...

Journeyman Geek

0_0

unrelatedly, left/right scrollwheel tilting for switching music tracks is so much more useful than using it for horizontal scrolling

Burgi

> The name Manchester originates from the Latin name Mamucium or its variant Mancunium and the citizens are still referred to as Mancunians. [...] either from mamm- ("breast", in reference to a "breast-like hill") or from mamma. Both meanings are preserved in languages derived from Common Brittonic, mam meaning "breast" in Irish and "mother" in Welsh. The suffix -chester is a survival of Old English ceaster ("fort; fortified town").

Manchester

Manchester (/ˈmæntʃᵻstər/) is a major city and metropolitan borough in Greater Manchester, England, with a population of 514,414 as of 2013. It lies within the United Kingdom's second-most populous urban area, with a population of 2.55 million. Manchester is fringed by the Cheshire Plain to the south, the Pennines to the north and east and an arc of towns with which it forms a continuous conurbation. The local authority is Manchester City Council. The recorded history of Manchester began with the civilian settlement associated with the Roman fort of Mamucium or Mancunium, which was established...

DavidPostill

@Burgi til. So it should be called Womanchester :)

Burgi

yup

or boobchester

Journeyman Geek

10:36

Fort Boobies.

Burgi

i'm not going to google pictures of those birds in work again...

djsmiley2k

lol4

Journeyman Geek

10:58

hm

I'm at +9 for an answer. And from what I can tell its not HNQed 0_0

TOWMN

11:45

Mad hypocrisy, what is this the US government?

Journeyman Geek

@TOWMN I can neither confirm nor deny that

Ah. It is.

XKCD

12:01

Sure, you could just ask, but this also takes care of the host gift thing.

3

djsmiley2k

superuser.com/questions/940218/terminating-cat-6-at-patch-panel

wtf patch panel is this

Journeyman Geek

old question bumped by a non answer ;p

Burgi

i remember once when i was on the helpdesk our customer, to "save money" got one of their alarm engineers to cable up a satellite office. on alarms they use Cat5 but terminate the cables differently for "reasons" so that is what this engineer had done.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Burgi

the customer went mental at us that their new network didn't work so we sent out our engineer with a fluke tester and he phoned us and sent photos of the patch cab with crazy pairings

Journeyman Geek

12:15

actually that makes sense in a few ways

they may not use cat 5 as cat 5

and may crossover different rx and tx wires

Burgi

iirc they matched the colours or something

they had plastered the cat 5 into the wall too and not left enough cable to reterminate correctly

so all the plastering had to come down and we fitted trunking and retermed the building

jokerdino

Boop, almost there.

Burgi

it cost them a fortune

Journeyman Geek

12:34

yay, halfway to legendary

Oliver Salzburg

Now that's a tough badge

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