> RUN A WAY!!!!

I always parsed that as "RUNA-WAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY"

\o/ hoo raa , just got paid for closing the house finnaly. 8months of hell , freezing my buttoff in the houses garage, working 24-7-365 . I am not "done" but i did get the reward

\o/

cant say how much, but those who know me .

!! s/nnal/nall/

@allquixotic \o/ hoo raa , just got paid for closing the house finally. 8months of hell , freezing my buttoff in the houses garage, working 24-7-365 . I am not "done" but i did get the reward (source)

techreport.com/news/31531/…

probably know what this is by now

@JourneymanGeek ow.

I'd hate to be that guy...

I'm retarded and I hate myself.

?

???

@TOWMN are you secretly that guy?

ooh

when did process explorer add GPU usage graphs?

Eh? 13 reasons not to use Chrome

._.

> You love open source

er. chromium anyone?

seriously, man, that article is crap.

actually there's a lot more wrong

> Your sun rises and sets with Apple

just. what. the....

@JourneymanGeek ...yea, it is.

> Safari gets a score of only 380, one of the lowest of the major browsers. ... But most pages implement their own date picker anyway. How many people choose a color with a webpage? Most decent web pages that ask for a color have a picker implemented already.

As a web dev: fuck off.

That's the entire problem!

Inconsistent, shitty, laggy, buggy reimplementations of the same thing that the browser can easily handle with proper semantic HTML.

Though colour pickers might not be the best example cause most current browser impls are pretty bad for web use. But as a general idea... "because it's currently done in JS/plugin" is a terrible excuse.

And what's with that argument anyway?

You might not want to use Chrome ... because it has better standards support?

wat.

Oh god. Two whole sections focus on how it 'lacks' some weird gamified interface.

@JourneymanGeek someone just pulled a bunch of text out their arse, that's what...

Useless clickbait spam.

;p

@JourneymanGeek The problem is that the most obvious alternative to Chrome, Firefox, is quite poor by today's standards and is really only of interest to power users.

@bwDraco citation needed

It's relatively slow and has high CPU usage.

and the big problem with that article is it seems to assume that opera still runs presto

Now now, @Rahul2001, what did you do this time?

ROFL

such fun

I found an unidentified, strange cable today

1x male db15 that splits into 2x female db15

I THINK it was a VGA splitter but I have no clue why we would have needed/used one

@JourneymanGeek Photo? Are you sure it's DB15 on both ends?

@JourneymanGeek fixed your edit :P

@Bob yeah

threw it out

Its been sitting in a drawer for at least a decade

not mine but looked like this ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB16wRfIXXXXXX0XXXXq6xXFXXXo/…

but longer

Pretty sure most cables are female on both ends so... meh

@Bob I assumed the escapes were standard and any code errors were intentional/integral to the question ;p

@JourneymanGeek If you look at the first rev, the escapes were added to try to avoid markdown formatting :P

ah!

hm

this is plausably not good

just plugged in backup 3 and for some reason windows seems to be having trouble reading it

@JourneymanGeek ...is this random-drive-failure week?

@Bob NO. Please, no. Especially my work laptop's HDD (less than 2 years old but usually powered on a lot; if I leave it at work, management scripts wake it up for Windows Updates)

too much config built up over time, and a custom image (approved image but "unsupported" = you can put it on our network, but if it breaks you're on your own or have to reimage to a supported image)

fortunately I'm keeping my code backed up on the network drive because I'm paranoid

I really need to back up all my config scripts and custom data from my work PC.

@Bob eh, looks like it was the USB port

and it was literally my third level backup

I got a Windows 10 Lenovo laptop and formatted all of it to Linux. Now after a year I need to do some software testing on Windows 10, but how to find the Windows 10 license? (Is there a site where this question would be on-topic?)

@NicolasRaoul did you ever log into it?

in theory, the licence is stored on the system's firmware and/or connected to your account.

so if you want to move it back to windows, well, there's no key, you just throw on a fresh copy

I don't think you can move a OEM licence to a VM tho

lol wtf smh.com.au/comment/…

making him out to be like Yuri (of RA2 fame)

@JourneymanGeek I see! So I could backup my stuff, install both Linux and Windows as dual-boot, and not have to care about Windows licenses at all, if I understand correctly?

yup

or reinstall windows 10 at any time

Thanks a lot! I would prefer to put Windows in a VM, but if that means paying for another license, dual boot will do.

if its for short term testing, you could always grab an eval-time bombed copy

Mornin'!

@ThatBrazilianGuy Uh... uhm... me... nothing!

I think my girlfriend knows about incognito though...

You mean she wears graucho marx glasses with a fake stache while chatting?

So, a summary of the Ryzen reviews I'm seeing: The chip performs worse than expected, with software issues being a significant factor. Several reviewers encountered BSODs and motherboard instability, and it performs worse than 4C Intel parts under AotS with performance improving when multithreading is disabled.

Looks likes some teething problems for AMD. I hope they sort them out before they kill sales.

Ryzen has lots of potential. I really hope glitches like this don't kill it and take AMD along with it.

@Bob Shrug indeed

@Bob Data loss/corruption

O_O

> AotS with performance improving when multithreading is disabled.

wait what?

@bwDraco really feels like a certain degree of needing to optimise things more. Same thing that happened with bulldozer

and they were a little too benchmark focused

O_O

Office365 is ... down ... ish?

man

what the hell is going on this week

nevermind, it's back :S

sounds fine to me

the alt text sounds brilliant ;p

@JourneymanGeek hm... I had two of the buttons on my G602 mapped to undo and redo

@JourneymanGeek extremetech.com/gaming/…

@bwDraco so its essentially worse than a core i7?

...this is clearly a software or firmware problem perhaps in the motherboard. Previous benchmarks showed Ryzen performing much better than this in AotS.

Tom's Hardware reports the same issue:

or... the benchmarks could have been wrong

The results are also being affected by the Windows power plan. Might be a firmware and/or power management problem...

@JourneymanGeek Workstation benchmarks come up stellar for Ryzen. Clearly, something's wrong.

I'm sure this isn't a problem with the processor itself.

We're speculating.

> We disabled the 1800X's SMT feature and its average frame rate increased to 70.9 FPS. By comparison, we disabled Hyper-Threading (Intel's equivalent technology) and re-tested the -6900K, yielding a 7 FPS performance loss

Oxide Games says they're working on it. Motherboard firmware and Windows updates are probably going to be necessary as well.

> AMD provided its own benchmark numbers at 4K, creating a graphics-bound situation.

"previous benchmarks" might not necessarily mean anything here...

One has to wonder how they could possibly have flubbed it this badly after having so much time to iron out issues...

I refuse to believe they did not bother testing at 1080p at all.

Which... suggests shenanigans.

I'm thinking it's the motherboard.

@JourneymanGeek Speculation is fun! :P

Also, unoptimized software.

Given AMD's absence in the high-end CPU market for such a long time, it's not exactly surprising to hear that software is often just optimized for Intel processors, with AMD processors as second-class citizens. pcper.com/news/Processors/AMD-responds-1080p-gaming-tests-Ryzen

ugh

I wonder if Intel's compiler is still a problem...

that arguement is dumb.

AMD's stuff is underperforming, sure, blame intel.

lol. Did AMD really name their chipset "X370"?

@Bob yes

*cough*Z170, Z270*cough*

Total coincidence. Yup.

@Bob they quite literally yonked intel's naming scheme.

> Through the AMA in Reddit AMD has stated that an example of the game not utilizing the Zen correctly. The example was the workload move from thread to thread can lead a process being given to a thread of a core of a different CCX module in the processor, that leads the thread not finding its data in the module cache that leads to data calls or process dump (roughly)

(last comment in the PCPer article)

Yeah, blame the game.

Maybe it needs to be treated as a NUMA thing?

ugh. It's getting really late.

I really hope these issues are sorted out. These results in AotS just don't make sense absent some software issue.

Reddit AMA: reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5x4hxu/…

github.com/robertfisk/USG/wiki (via boingboing.net/2017/03/02/countermeasures.html)

Some notes: ECC is not disabled (it will work if the motherboard supports it), but it's not validated for consumer platforms.

Code optimization, again, is an issue.

@JourneymanGeek The optimisation argument is particularly amusing, cause guess who provides CPUs for current consoles (Xbox, PS4)? :P

We need to see a Software Optimization Guide for AMD Family 17h Processors soon.

Yes, different architecture. Yes, compiler optimisations will need work.

@Bob ... not via, not intel, IBM? No... I know AMD!

Then again, most console ports simply suck, performance-wise.

So maybe there's something there.

*shrug*

I'm just annoyed at the misleading prerelease benchmarks. Maybe it'll get better, maybe not, but what they released was misleading at the time.

PS4 and Xbox One both have 8C processors with low single-threaded performance.

They use the low-power Jaguar uarch.

Hm. That sounds familiar.

In all seriousness... it's most likely not just a case of "optimise more!"

Using more threads effectively is bloody hard.

Maybe outright impossible depending on the data you're dealing with.

Maybe it's a complete rewrite of the game engine.

Even writing one from scratch, it's often much simpler to keep one or two "hot" threads.

You can make so many more assumptions about data access by doing so.

I guess we'll wait and see. I expect updates to be coming over the next several weeks and months.

Heck, unless the data and algorithms themselves are embarassingly parallel by nature (some are. physics is a maybe. AI is usually yes-ish), multithreading can slow things down cause now you're waiting on locks and maybe a cache sync/memory barrier.

This kind of inconsistency with game performance doesn't make sense in the context of stellar performance in workstation applications.

Good night.

hey

\o

Lo

I'm currently mocking Android screenshots into iPhones O__o

It feels so dirty

are you working for a fake chinese apple store?

Damnit, I'm just going to use wordpress.

HA!

i am not going to say "i told you so" but...

@Burgi Actually, damnit, I'm not using wordpress

o/

@Burgi No, I'm working for our marketing department :P

Apparently!

@OliverSalzburg does your marketing department work for a fake chinese apple store?

@Bob No, they work for me :P

o.O

i'm confused

you work for your marketing department that works for you?

@Bob That's another way of saying "If you want things to be done right, do them yourself"

he IS the marketing department.

I asked for an updated manual for our app and noticed that all the screenshots are not mocked into devices, which just doesn't look good. But the CEO already signed off on the current revision, so I just did a quick job on it and used the next best mockup I had at hand

I'm kind of the typography and screenshot nazi around the office

_0

@OliverSalzburg so, you ARE the marketing department

:D

Not officially anyway :P

are germans allowed to use the N word?

@Burgi he's the alt write then

@JourneymanGeek that took me ages to figure out

@Burgi Apparently

;)

Given that we've kinda invented it...

heh

Urgh

Spend all day hunting around town for a mini-displayport cable, pay 2x over the odds for one, and it doesn't even work

which country are you in today @TOWMN?

@Burgi I think (s)he's blocked you ;P

fair enough

@TOWMN what country are you in?

you are blocked too ;)

@Burgi Thailand

ah

@Burgi What why

@Burgi I was actually curious ;p

@TOWMN i was joking, don't worry about it

why aren't you sat on a beach or trekking through the jungle?

@Burgi Because I need to find a displayport cable so I can run my 120hz monitor at 120hz :-|

#Priorities

(And I'm only here cause it's cheaper than staying in the UK when you're homeless)

you appear to hauling about a lot of kit for a homeless wanderer

0_0

@JourneymanGeek got a friend asking about mech keyboards :P

@Burgi Yeah, well as I say, priorities :-P

@Bob asking what? :p

As long as I have my computer, I can make anywhere my home...

@TOWMN I bought a DP cable that runs my monitor at 20 +/- 60 Hz :P

o0

@Bob Err know anywhere I can get hold of a MDP => DP cable in Aus?

@Bob Lol. I have a HDMI cable for that

This MDP to DP cable is the only one I could find after visiting four giant tech malls, and it doesn't run my monitor at anything at all (Except "Powersave mode")

@TOWMN cheap? MSY. Arc if you're in Sydney. Umart. big box store? Officeworks, JB Hi-Fi, Harvey Norman...

MSY => msy.com.au/129-displayport-cable

Arc and Umart are out :\

@TOWMN are you in a hotel or just camping on the beach?

@Bob These are bricks and mortar stores I can walk into, right? (Not online only)

@Burgi Hostel

loving how you still come online at the 'normal time' for you (GMT) even though your half way around the world

Something like £1.50 a night here for the cheapest, vs £7 or so in Scotland.

@TOWMN why are you going all around the world again?

how m,uch was the flight?

@djsmiley2k Heh, dunno what time it is in GMT, it's 7pm here

@Rahul2001 Cheaper than staying in the UK

Some stupid rugby match on that made hostel prices go up to £60 a night in Edinburgh

@TOWMN roughly 12pm

couldn't move to coventry

xD

tis cheap here

@Burgi Yeah, I guess that's a fairly normal time for me to get up while in the uK >_>

50 million different HDMI and ethernet cables I don't need, but nowhere sells a working DP cable

Incidentally, the plane I flew here on had ethernet sockets in every seat :-o

when are they going back to normal time from DST in UK?

@TOWMN by your logic, it's likely cheaper to buy a new monitor

It also had fairly decent wifi, so I didn't test the ethernet, but that's the first time I saw wired networking in every seat in any vehicle let alone a plane

@djsmiley2k Err... it might actually be >_>

I had the choice of my basic but super light 21" monitor or my heavy advanced 23" gaming monitor, and I picked the latter thinking it would work over HDMI :-/

so how did you get into Aus

don't they like demand visas and stuff

@djsmiley2k I'm not in Aus

@TOWMN Yea. MSY has a few locations in Melb and Syd

@djsmiley2k They do, but it's a free online application for an e-visa

where ru ?

i need a new site

where in the world is dog @TOWMN

Oddly enough even the Apple store only has mini-DisplayPort to <everything else I don't need> converters

Any one know about VLAN tagging

Yes.

Though apparently I can drive this monitor at 1080p120 over DVI instead of HDMI :-|

thaivisa.com/forum/topic/…

Ahahahahahahaha

Clearly I'm not the first or only Farang to need exactly that kind of cable

._.

@TOWMN yea that's what officeworks has :S

officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/c/technology/…

._.

@TOWMN i have one router WAN port tagged to VLAN 10 but it will not get an ip address from another router.

Someone I used to work with at job -- is in the papers for the worst reasons.

@JourneymanGeek arrested for murder?

straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/…

statutory rape. I remembered there was a rumour he was asked to leave shortly before EVERYTHING went to shit there but ... man

"This guy looks familiar. Oh wait"

............. apparently not

@JourneymanGeek ...I was going to mention rape or cp, but thought that'd be going too far

eh. presumably

@Bob They do sorta have what I need

officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/…

@Neil Is the other router also tagged? Because if you're tagging instead of just native emulation then both ends have to use the same tag

@Bob And it turned out to be both

@TOWMN but pricey and you'd need two

Though the former was supposedly "consensual" and "statutory"

@Bob Naw, I'd need a DP <-> DP cable though.

I've got mDP on my laptop <-> Full size DP on my monitor

DP <-> DP isn't too hard to find, though not exactly easy either

@JourneymanGeek Any caning?

@TOWMN sorry, I meant two pieces, not the same

Also $25, I thought £12 was bad for this cable (seeing as it'd cost £3 in the UK) but i was desperate

message kinda got cut off :S

@Bob Indeed, though that is a disadvantage in itself

@jokerdino I roughly know as much as you do.

So, yes to caning.

@TOWMN try the MSY one :P

mDP to DP cable I got is actually quite lightweight and thin, which is good. Certainly a lot less bulky than the full HDMI <-> HDMI cable

$7

I quite litrally went "This guy looks ODDLY familiar"

Also why the heck is it so damn hard to find a mDP cable, I mean, it's not like DisplayPort is an obscure standard....

@TOWMN amusingly at this point, if I wanted one, I'd buy it online

My last trip to SLS was oddly disappointing

no wierd new old stock stuff or cool junky things

@JourneymanGeek heh yeah.

And especially given Eastern countries' dislike of licensing and royalties and the like, I'd have expected the royalty-free DP to be more popular not less

@JourneymanGeek I would too, except I'm short on time

Didn't realise I needed one until two days into Italy

Tried to Amazon Prime myself one but Italy's Amazon just gave me a generic error when trying to sign up for another Prime trial, and my UK prime wouldn't carry over

@TOWMN I'd typically prefer to buy that sorta thing locally in a traditional store

@JourneymanGeek I'm used to living in a crappy small town where local traditional store either doesn't exist, or barely has anything useful

._.

whisky tango....

@JourneymanGeek so. mech-keyboard friend was asking for a desktop build for $1k-2k

cause his 2004 pentium 4 machine is "choppy" playing 720p videos

gee... I wonder why

@Bob I'd wait and see at this point

.... what?

@Bob for a non gaming build... a potato phone ANYTHING would outperform that

@Bob What he needs is a GTX 1080 to hardware accelerate 720p video decoding

@TOWMN ._.

I use madvr.com on my main rig ;p

totally needs a powerful GPU ;p

I use it when using upscaling/interpolation but rarely when doing anything else

Not a huge fan of it basically breaking the MPC-HC UI

@Bob more seriously, at 1-2k, you can just literally build the most boring machine possible

so yea

Eh for 720p videos a Kaby Lake Core M would suffice

GTX 1050, 1060 would do fine

CPU... I did tell him to wait a bit until the ryzen dust settles

1060's the boring/decent choice

but it's looking like a "MOAR CORES" machine would be useful :P

Ryzen would be a good start

@TOWMN yea, waiting for it to stabilise a bit

Single-thread performance still gets beaten by an i3 but for professional multi-threaded applications it totally rapes Intel for perf per $

I usually don't like recommending parts I don't have any experience with, but this is probably a worthwhile exception. Just gonna wait till most of the BSoD issues are gone :P

though he's actually playing at least one game where single-thread CPU perf is key

then again he's currently actively using a laptop as his primary (gaming) machine... on an Intel HD 4000. So. Yea. Anything would be better.

Is it all that dusty? I don't see any new Ryzen parts or price changes coming out anytime soon

Which makes Ryzen probably a solid choice.

Though having wiped Intel off the map completely for multithreaded perf per $ I guess there'll be some responsive price cuts on Intel's end

@JourneymanGeek oh yea. the mech keyboard questions. he's just looking at the moment, but had his eyes on a k70 rapidfire and he's tested a blackwidow ultimate in-store. he was just asking generally for advice :P

looks like this'll be an all-out upgrade for him

Urgh lost my MicroSD card with all my Venice photos on it

Also broke yet another MicroSD card

ow.

online backups?

@Bob Nup, this was off my DSLR that's pre-online generation

:(

@Bob they offered to replace it ;p

@Bob The real question is silent or clicky

@JourneymanGeek free?

@JourneymanGeek yea. I went through all that.

silent vs clicky, tactile vs linear, hard vs soft

@Bob yeah.

@Bob puppy dog eyes win

Full disclosure: I... Play minesweeper when I'm bored sometimes...

i srsly need a jorb like @Towmn's

@djsmiley2k I have a jorb?

wellwhatever you do to pay for things

Can't understand why when I make Skype call from my computer to tablet both sides hear strong ECHO

?

This does not happen when I call to other Skype users.

Is it because computer and tablet are on same Wi-Fi connection?

So how does this create echo effect then?

Collissions? Omissions?

@Bob I think getting fed up and asking for a higher up's email address helped

and the fact that I wasn't asking for free stuff. I went "you guys messed up and asked me to send it in. I'm not paying for that"

@djsmiley2k Lie to credit card companies?

@Boris_yo same room?

Ahem... not that I do that >_>

Though AMEX did just increase my credit limit because they still think I have a jorb

lol

ah so you'r dumbxD

whish i could be that dumb

Yes

@djsmiley2k I wish I was dumber

Sufficiently dumb that I would no longer realise I'm dumb and just live in blissful ignorance like the majority of the populace

@allquixotic Why the midichlorian hate?

@djsmiley2k That too but not always.