Root Access

Journeyman Geek

00:15

@Burgi that party?

Journeyman Geek

00:31

@Ramhound heh, I seem to be getting a lot of rude/nonconstructive flags on your comments these days ._.

Burgi

@JourneymanGeek yes

i found a domain for legal euthanasia too

that one expired back in late december

Journeyman Geek

I'm wondering if your old director just took a one off cash payment, pocketed the money...

Burgi

which is a little sad. someone was thinking of legally killing themselves (or allowing someone else to) at christmas

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek This answer needs deleting as well. It's not quite as bad as the last one from the user, but still superuser.com/a/1173778/337631

Journeyman Geek

erf

@DavidPostill eh. I really need a rudeness template for companies ;)

Burgi

00:44

if i had to work on that domain i would have resigned on moral grounds

@JourneymanGeek did i mention we found out he has been registering credit cards under different names?

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi yup

Burgi

just checking

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill something smells funny about that account

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek Oh? Is it somebody we know? ;p

Burgi

i've suddenly got my appetite back but if i eat now i'll be awake all night

Journeyman Geek

00:47

@DavidPostill nothing obvious about it

Burgi

hmmm...

Bob

blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20170131-00/?p=95295

Journeyman Geek

I was literally JUST reading that

theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/1/30/14439362/…

Bob

01:09

"fruit adventure" tictacs are awful

Journeyman Geek

fruit adventure sounds like a euphamism.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ...I don't wanna know

Journeyman Geek

;)

arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/01/…

That's an interesting way of looking at things.

Other than that there's little reason to install steam on a chromebook class machine except chat

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I installed Steam on the Z2760 tab the other day :P

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek Finally got a quote back for those cables (Cat6 vs. Cat6A). $486 vs $939.

Journeyman Geek

01:24

wait, the 6A is THAT much cheaper?

Michael Frank

Wait, sorry other way around haha

Journeyman Geek

I think my advice stands ;p

Michael Frank

Yea, I think that's the best option.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob for chat?

@MichaelFrank you literally do not need cat6a for anything in the next decade or even 2, and there's no point spending over twice the money

Michael Frank

Okay, so here's the deal. The Cat6a cables have the boots.

The Cat6 cables have these ineffective "snagless" designs that are the problem at the moment.

Journeyman Geek

01:28

twice the cost...

ugh

that makes it a harder choice.

Michael Frank

Those are my options -_-

The supplier also doesn't do the lengths I want. So I have to get 7.5m instead of 6m for some of the cables.

I should get a roll and a couple buckets of ends and crimp them all myself...

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank a lot of people suggest premade ones cause they're consistant.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek yup

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek Oh yea. There's no way I'm crimping that many cables.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob which is the exception I made

Only one possible supplier?

Bob

01:39

@MichaelFrank I actually prefer the ones on the right

those boots are a pain in the (finger) to release :\

though the best ones have a single rectangular piece overlapping the clip, not a full round one

@JourneymanGeek half the comments there are arguing over whether 'Indian' counts as a race or not...

Journeyman Geek

whut?

WHY?

Michael Frank

@Bob Yea, those are my only options and the ones on the right just don't last long enough around here.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob wait. is this the win10 cloud article or something else?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek yea, that one

Journeyman Geek

I'm not seeing any of them 0_0

ah nvm

Bob

01:48

it's almost like reading YouTube comments!

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I think they got nuked

so there's posts replying to it

Bob

@JourneymanGeek yea

there's more on the first page

ooh the built-in Firefox screenshot tool does imgur uploads :D

Journeyman Geek

lol

I was wondering what those black lines were

Bob

@JourneymanGeek black lines?

Ben N

They appear as thin black lines when oneboxed

Bob

01:57

ah :P

just a really long screenshot

cause I'm browsing in a 300px window

Journeyman Geek

Ben N

Woah, how big is your screen?

Bob

@BenN geek's on 2x 4k

Ben N

That's a lot of pixels

Bob

so am I at home, but 1080p+1680x1050 at work :P

Journeyman Geek

02:12

@BenN that's part of my screen(s)

bwDraco

@Bob I'm hoping to go 1440p. I'm not too convinced I need 4K, and the graphics hardware needed to run games at 4K is too expensive (2x GTX 1070 at minimum).

techbuyersguru.com/…

Bob

@bwDraco yea, 1440 is probably better for gaming

Journeyman Geek

eh. I just run a 980ti.

I was running games at 1440p with my old card tho, on a 4k display

bwDraco

How's the scaling?

Journeyman Geek

was alright.

bwDraco

02:21

I'd much rather run games at 1440p with a single GTX 1080. G-SYNC helps, too.

Journeyman Geek

I think @Bob does 4k with a 1080.

bwDraco

I don't have the hardware yet, but hopefully, I'll be able to build no later than March.

Journeyman Geek

but yeah 1440p kinda makes sense, other than being a slightly odd res.

and you can get monitors reasonably priced in many cases

Bob

@JourneymanGeek da

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic does ultrawidescreen

which is an option too I suppose

bwDraco

02:23

My build plans call for a pair of 144+ Hz 1440p IPS displays.

Journeyman Geek

I'm not sold on very high refresh rates

bwDraco

If funds don't allow it, I'll get one and use my existing Acer 1080p display as a second monitor.

(the Acer H226HQL is a screaming deal if you don't mind the IPS glow)

Journeyman Geek

amusingly...

my cheap korean TN monitor has more glow than my dell IPS

and that's one of the thing bias lighting kinda smooths over

bwDraco

I'm on 2x 1080p right now.

Old gaming laptop with a GTX 780M.

allquixotic

> Condé Nast

aren't/weren't they involved in some nasty scandal(s) at some point? for some reason their name sounds rather... nasty in my memory

bwDraco

02:28

@allquixotic Their TOS is unusually restrictive, too.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic eh, Ars going corporate kinda... wasn't the best thing

bwDraco

Aug 27 '16 at 22:34, by bwDraco

The economy is harsher than ever. The world is a dangerous place to live in. Small mistakes can cost thousands or millions. If businesses are taking every possible measure to ensure the best possible outcomes, why shouldn't individuals do the same?

Journeyman Geek

and they experiemnted with breaking ars for people with adblockers.

@bwDraco cause paranoia is lame.

bwDraco

Companies doing everything possible to protect themselves has been an inspiration for me to do the same.

Journeyman Geek

Sometimes, one needs to take away the right lessons

bwDraco

02:32

Of course, risk cannot be completely eliminated. But why take chances when you don't stand to gain anything from the increased risk exposure?

Journeyman Geek

Because one cannot live life with a stack of waiver forms

allquixotic

Avoid putting off your dreams in 2017: a guide to eliminating procrastination

►

Bob

@allquixotic think they owned reddit at one point too

@bwDraco would you accept "YOLO" as a response?

Overanalysing can be just as bad as being too impulsive

(yay, I do both a lot)

bwDraco

I've had a history of being too impulsive. You know me.

I guess I just need to be a bit less brash.

Sure, being cautious is not a bad thing. However, if you're paranoid about risk, you're not going to get much done.

In business, exposure to legal risk can sometimes be the difference between profit and loss. But life isn't always this clear cut.

It's not like you need to report to a board of directors whose primary concern is the balance sheet.

Ramhound

02:49

@JourneymanGeek I will tone it down.

bwDraco

Aug 18 '15 at 14:29, by allquixotic

Why have 4x the pixels and then turn down the level of detail? That's completely counterproductive.

I always like to point to this one.

@allq is on 3440x1440. This is still considerably fewer pixels than 3840x2160, the resolution most commonly referred to as 4K.

Ultra-wide isn't my preference, either. I'd rather have two regular 2560x1440 displays.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco with most games I play that's a non issue

and I figure when that's an issue in 2-3 generations I can get a midrange card that does 5k, with 2160p occupying the space 1080p is now, and approaching 8k in the premium "I have more money than sense" segment

and here's a funny thing

I don't want UHD for gaming. I want it for text

Bob

@bwDraco eh, it only makes sense if your primary focus is gaming and you care about 'quality'

I can do with less bloom and random garbage drifting past my screen, tyvm

@JourneymanGeek this

and, eh. a 2160p screen scales perfectly down to 1080p if that's an issue

Journeyman Geek

and technically I didn't go for resolution, I went for what seems to be an optimal mix of size + resolution for very crisp text + context switching

allquixotic

03:04

@JourneymanGeek my MBP has 2560×1600 with a logical application resolution (per Chrome) of 1440x900.. presumably fonts are rendered at the native 2560x1600 when using the native OS X font rendering API, but other stuff is rendered at 1440x900 for performance reasons basically

text is beautiful and much better than anything I've ever seen on Win32

Bob

@allquixotic I still say that totally depends on your monitor and how subpixel rendering is set up.

(the few times I've tried XP on a modern system, sometimes 7 without proper drivers, or 7 via RDP, or in a VM with funny scaling... yea it looked terrible. but my primary-use, native, 7 and 10 systems on high-end monitors? not a problem. no different from the iMac either)

Linux/KDE looked the best in a scaled VM, IIRC

but font rendering is a funny field anyway

MSWord and VS are great. Browsers are a toss-up, but Edge and Firefox are usually fine. Chrome... works well on some systems, drops back to dodgy rendering on others.

macOS does tend to be matched with the hardware (obv)

Windows... the defaults work well on most hardware, assuming drivers installed. Then it comes down to the monitor quality and sometimes tuning is required. (I didn't need to on the old TN screens, but IPS generally seems different..?)

Not used Linux native in a while, *shrug*

biggest problem with Windows might be how many ways there are to draw text

bwDraco

03:22

@allquixotic on my laptop, 1080p native, 1536x864 logical application resolution (125% scaling).

Windows 10's scaling isn't the best. Not by a long shot.

Journeyman Geek

its been fine for me on windows 10

Bob

@bwDraco the scaling itself works perfectly well, long as you aren't running crappy programs that blow up on it

*cough* borderlands windowed *cough*

Journeyman Geek

I do use 150% display scaling + most of my apps work +

@Bob borderlands ... is odd

Bob

*cough* samsung magician *cough*

Journeyman Geek

like that 640x480 res thing

Bob

03:25

@JourneymanGeek I've used 150% and 125% in different places. Everything looks perfectly fine. No blurriness anywhere.

bwDraco

@Bob I've not had issues with scaling on Magician 5.0.

Bob

@bwDraco eh, maybe they finally fixed it

there was a list item that would never show cause the window was too small and scrolling was broken

bwDraco

Journeyman Geek

didn't 5.0 literally come out last week?

bwDraco

Dec 9 '16 at 23:32, by bwDraco

Major update to Samsung Magician has cleaner UI but removes some features

Journeyman Geek

03:26

ah

they pushed it last week

Bob

wonder if it works when the controller is in raid mode

Hm. Apparently Win8 did improve rendering

> Top to bottom: Native GDI, GDI+ with clear-type hint and typographic format, GDI+ with Anti-Alias hint and typographic format, GDI+ with Anti-Alias hint and default format.

Ramhound

onmsft.com/news/…

Ha! Both Google and Firefox developers like Windows Defender!

Bob

and then of course there's DirectWrite...

which Firefox uses, and is much better than GDI :P

Oh hey, Chrome got it in 37

Journeyman Geek

ugh

version bloat.

Then again, k-meleon went from 1.6 to 75

Bob

@JourneymanGeek o.O

hm. looking at the complaints about Chrome removing GDI rendering in 52

those screenshots of blurry rendering look exactly like misconfigured ClearType

go figure

wait, a couple of them look like bicubic scaling o.O

bwDraco

03:43

In other news, it turns out I can power my DataVac Electric Duster from an 18V power tool battery, albeit at a very slow speed. The reason: it uses a universal motor, which literally does not care about whether you're using AC or DC or input polarity (as long as voltage is sufficient). It will only ever run in one direction.

Bob

hm, current Chrome still renders differently from current Firefox... *shrug*

maybe some skia implementation detail

bwDraco

Current draw measurements suggest a runtime of about 90 minutes from a 2 Ah battery.

Bob

> If you're on Windows 7 or, God forbid, Windows XP, third party AV software might make you slightly less doomed.

*snort*

Journeyman Geek

lol

bwDraco

lol

I've used Norton Security for many years with absolutely no trouble at all.

Journeyman Geek

03:48

I've had more systems rendered unusable by norton than any actually viruses.

3

Bob

@bwDraco robert.ocallahan.org/2017/01/…

> SRV627 January 2017 at 02:39

Mac's do not require any antivirus.

Psycho Data27 January 2017 at 03:33

Sir, i hope you never have children

Well... a rather extreme response, but the phrasing :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

noitsbecky

04:24

@Bob current chrome also likes to bug out randomly on remote

Macs don't require any antivirus as long as you keep them unplugged

Journeyman Geek

I'm running an XP box with no AV ._.

Well almost no AV ;p

Its a VM though

XKCD

05:11

The key is portion control, which is why I've switched to eating smaller cans of frosting instead of full bottles.

allquixotic

05:23

White rabbits!

bwDraco

www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/health/health-topics/sugary-drinks.page

Psycogeek

i drink 2x my weight every month in fruticose corn syrip, it didnt make me fat, it is the sedintary , and computer lifestyle that made the most effect to my shape

heck not only sodas, but i can pound down anohter 20lbs in sugar too. I should have 7 layer diabetes, but i dont.

allquixotic

lol type 7 diabetes?

Psycogeek

i do have 7 layer bean dip though :-)

allquixotic

LOL

Bob

05:33

so

chrome + win10 + hidpi + our app = layout bug

wonderful

now I get to debug this shit -_-

I wonder if I pissed off @OliverSalzburg recently

allquixotic

@Bob ?

Bob

@allquixotic nah, just a joke - it used to be him complaining about random bs like this :P

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic oh god. That's something people of my ~~human's~~ age are nostagic about.

White Rabbit (candy)

White Rabbit Creamy Candy (Chinese: 大白兔奶糖; pinyin: Dàbáitù Nǎitáng) is a brand of milk candy manufactured by Shanghai Guan Sheng Yuan Food, Ltd. (Chinese: 上海冠生園食品有限公司; pinyin: Shànghǎi Guānshēngyuán Shípǐn Yǒuxiàn Gōngsī), in the People's Republic of China. == Background == White Rabbit Creamy Candy is white, with a soft, chewy texture, and is formed into cylinders approximately 3 cm long and 1 cm in diameter, similar to contemporary western nougat or taffy. Each candy is wrapped in a printed waxed paper wrapper, but within this, the sticky candies are again wrapped in a thin edible paper-like...

0_0

Psycogeek

oooOOOOO

Journeyman Geek

05:49

I wasn't aware it had been affected by melamine scares

course, I've not eaten them since I was a pup

Bob

@JourneymanGeek oh, those things

been a while...

Journeyman Geek

yup

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek We're familiar with these.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic mentioned them? ;p

bwDraco

No. I've had these candies since I was very young.

We still have some on hand right now, though I'm no longer a fan of these.

Bob

06:07

whenever I land on a mathoverflow question I have to wonder if they're speaking English anymore :P

Journeyman Geek

06:25

I mean literally

1 hour ago, by allquixotic

White rabbits!

@Bob nope

Hennes

Morning.

Psycogeek

tip to JMG, dont feed dogs refried beans, it goes in with great happiness, comming out though is great sadness

cleanup on aisle 12

Bob

@bwDraco bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1317312

> e10s-multi has landed! 2 content processes are currently the default. This is holding on Nightly until we get performance and stability up to snuff.

bwDraco

06:42

Not yet on Aurora...

(manually configured on my end)

allquixotic

@Bob translation: "We now attempt to use more RAM to ensure that every computer ships with >= 16 GiB of RAM! This is holding in Nightly until we can increase the per-process RAM usage to our liking."

Psycogeek

lol

Bob

@allquixotic eh... can always disable it :P

Rich Manson

07:04

@Psycogeek @Ramhound Windows 10 USB booted into setup so my issue must be with the Windows 7 dvd . I am going to clone the Win7 with Macrium Reflect and then install Win10 and replace the Win7 image. I was looking for an article on the propper way to preconfig and customize your partitions before you run setup. I tried making the MSP and it didn't use it. I did something wrong. Now I found its better to make a sep partition for RE I found one once before. Just couldn't find it.

Psycogeek

cant tell you how to for linux and multi-boot.
but standard setups for like win7 is to allow the setup to make a partition mess, or Format yourself the partition, and tell windows where it will be installed.

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek happens with cheese too

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek ahh good reminder, forgot that one

Rich Manson

Windows setup does not let you choose the place to put the msrp. I configured last time with gparted but forgot a flag or something. I can't remember how your soposed to do it when you preconfig the partitions.

Psycogeek

dont worry about the manufactured suggested retail pricing, , , oh what? what is a msrp?

Bob

07:12

@RichManson winre is on the same part the os is on

Rich Manson

MS System Resered partition

Bob

a separate re part only exists in oem installs

as long as you keep install media around it shouldn't make much difference

Rich Manson

My WIndows 7 disk is OEM

I read a MS page where they ..... said its not the standard way, but the recomended way to put RE tools on a sep partition. I'll find it

Windows 7 has RE inclued in the SRP I read

Bob

@RichManson pretty sure that's directed at oem image creators

@RichManson not to my recollection but I can't check right now

Rich Manson

Well at leat WIn10 does wich is why it creats a 500Mb SRP

Psycogeek

07:15

all i know is if you set a perfect sized partition for the OS, and tell the OS to install there, you have a single partition that is system and boot parition, no recovery partition, no reserve.

Bob

@RichManson when I say oem I mean the image from big manufacturers, not the dvd itself

Rich Manson

I can't remember if its accrunym is SRP or MSP

MSP I think

Psycogeek

If you allow the system to do it, you will instead have the 3 layered bean dip mess, which does have advantages, but not for organisation

Bob

...never heard either

the "system reserved" partition is technically an ESP (EFI System Partition) on GPT systems and is standard even outside the MS world

anyway I can check in an hour or so

Rich Manson

What really the Diff? The OEM dvd were aimed at small system builder that ..... well MS called small , anyone buiilding 250,000 or less per year LOL .... I never hit that mark.

Bob

07:18

@RichManson the oem dvd installs a system functionally identical to the retail disc

Psycogeek

only the licence changes for that?

Rich Manson

ESP is a separate partition form the MS System reserved.

At least that is rom all the reading I have done.

Psycogeek

ahh the enhanced system protection partition :-)

Bob

big OEMs create custom images they directly clone onto the drive. these also include a recovery image that isn't created during a disc install

@RichManson ...no it's not

Psycogeek

i would bet if you start firing up bootloaders, they would not understand All-in-one paritions

Rich Manson

07:21

@Psycogeek No ESP is EFI System Partiton

@bob

Bob

eh, I'll check when I'm home

but the boot structure in the system reserved part is very much efi, last I checked

Rich Manson

@Bob What do you mean NO, OIts Not? I'll Have to find the MSDN or whatever MS page it was thaat talked about haveing the MSP, ESP and WIN RE partition

@Psycogeek What bootloader? Grub? Linuxe loaders?

Psycogeek

@RichManson i have not proved it yet for GPT, but you can have EFI boot on the same parition as the os. that has advantages and disadvantages. advantage the system can hop from the EFI booting parts and pieces, to another partition for the OS. such is the disadvantage too. because you can change something and it is still EFI hopping from the original partition. seems people dont know that, as they are therin booting to a different disk or parition, but dependant on the booting mess

that is back in the original place

so when they PULL the old disk, they also pull the booting, and then they and the OS are lost.

Rich Manson

@Bob So on an UEFI system you don't really need the MSP? What about Drive Encription? Doesn't need it if you use it?

Your talking about booting mess on a system with multiple physical HDD's?

@Psycogeek I take it your mostly a linux guy .......?

Psycogeek

@RichManson yes, multiple disks and or partitions, the "system" partition holds the "boot" from there the BCD junk can point anywhere.

Sorry cant explain it well, because idiots at MS, called the "booting" parition "system" and the "OS" itself the "boot"

Rich Manson

07:32

I know, I know they got it all backasswards. I read all about it 3-4 years ago.

Psycogeek

any other person would have recognised that "system" word sounds like operating system. and the booting portion, the boot, not what is booted Into

@RichManson me never linux. but i have observed behind the scenes that linux bootloader people, can end up destroying the windows system, when messing with bootloaders for linux. Must follow a (tutorial) person writing down sucessfull steps to the whole process.

they then blame windows, but it is just the complexities in general.

Rich Manson

@Psycogeek You talking UEFI system because I installed linux on windows system and they worked fine. I never did anything crazy like trying to screw with grub. Just used windows loader to chainload grub like all the tutorials say to do and it always worked fine for me.

They must a been really screwin around with it trying to do naaaasty stuf LOL

Psycogeek

donno just the thought of it , is enough to keep me away :-)

I got a bios/uefi that will menu into any disk, and i got disks, so any multi-boot i would do is the whole disk.

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek it's the other way around

Psycogeek

no goofey things that may not work if one or the other is broken. just the hardware pointing

Rich Manson

07:43

Huh, you lost me after the last two commas

Sounds like that is a kinda hybrid boot

Whats your system layout? I'm currious

Psycogeek

main system & boot parition on SSD , backup repeat on the shortstroked edge of the HDD (or raid). for some time i had win7 and XP .

theres that word again, i swear i dont shortstoke all day, just sometimes :-)

My Win7 system was like 10 years old, before i re-installed, and i have only installed win 7 2 times ever .

Rich Manson

I don't know what shortstroke is. I was going to ask what your MBR was for? XP,? but then you said you don't have Windows 7 or XP anymore. You got MBR for what/ Is it on the same disk at the UEFI?

Psycogeek

i am still MBR , even though my data disks are GPT , gads does anything i say actually make sence :-)

Rich Manson

Windows 7 istself isn't 10 years old yet. It RTM'd in 2009

Psycogeek

close enough, i only reboot once a month too, but that might be 25 days.

all i am saying is , if your just booting 2 things (your not), you can avoid much of the complexities, by just using the front parts of your other disks, for another OS.

one button press on modern motherbaords, you can hop to any one of them clean, as if it was the only one. In many cases that means the viruses bent on destroying the one they see, dont (usually) destroy the one that is parked on the side.

Rich Manson

07:57

@Psycogeek So do I have this correct. You use an EFI file on a UEFI sytem to boot into OS's on disks that are entirely MBR?

Psycogeek

via CSM

while secure boot is still on?

Rich Manson

I thought Secure boot only worked on UEFI booting?

Psycogeek

it probably only does.

but whatever method they were telling us on the web, the common method, was not the only method. i was kinda angry i had to discover MY intended method myself.

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