Root Access

Bob

00:04

@allquixotic Oh yea there was that new German-only release that had 4 12V rails

Vengeance? can't remember

Oh hey it is Vengeance

also apparently mine does "vitual" multi-rail, whatever that's supposed to be...

allquixotic

00:32

lol

Dog

> NEW: Next Gen NVIDIA® GeForce® 940MX graphics

!!facepalm

ChatBot John Cavil

Journeyman Geek

00:49

morning

@William the best policy with backups is to accept all storage is transient, given a suitable amount of time

One is None

so the best backups is the ones that test themselves to make sure they work, let you test them, and are backed up to more than one place and/or rotated

Dog

One is sexy

Journeyman Geek

There's a term for that

Psycogeek

01:10

One is the loneliest data that you'll ever see
One is just as bad as none, it's even lonelier than the number one

2 can be as bad as one , if the other one is none

allquixotic

ugh, I'm so sick of people trying to run modern software like the latest release of PhantomJS on ancient Linux distros like CentOS 6, or even 5

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Psycogeek that was actually amusing ;p

allquixotic

people beg for binaries and have no idea that the compiler is so fucking old that you can't even build the software with the default compiler, so you'd have to use a custom compiler anyway, and are better off just pulling /usr/lib from a modern Linux distro, in which case you're basically in-place upgrading to a modern distro anyway

Journeyman Geek

0_0

@allquixotic tbh, that almost sounds like one of the situations where "I only distribute this app as docker containers" almost makes sense.

Dog

CentOS 5 was new at some point during my lifetime! Heck even during my I.T. career

allquixotic

01:17

@Dog yeah, but technology ages much faster than humans, especially software, and especially open source software

CentOS 5 is as old as a 1970 car

Psycogeek

hey my car works fine still :-)

Journeyman Geek

and for a newish build there's little reason to go for oldstabiity

allquixotic

people are just lazy when it comes down to it

iirc our file server at work still runs Server 2003

Dog

I think I figured out the battery drain problem on my Galaxy S4. It wasn't the baseband but some stupid app constantly doing invisible wireless scans in the background.

Because on Android 5+ turning off WiFi doesn't actually turn off WiFi

allquixotic

@Dog O_o

"Turn off WiFi, please!"
"Lol sure ok"

Steve Jobs Draws The Line

►

"I can't! I have a Lollipop device!"

Journeyman Geek

01:32

"base stations" wut?

Bob

@Dog @allquixotic well, it does kinda say right in the wifi page...

> To improve location accuracy, apps and services may scan for Wi-Fi networks while Wi-Fi is turned off. You can disable this in scanning settings.

yes, the last bit is actually a link

Psycogeek

@allquixotic famous last words from computer maker genius , put your computer away :-)

oppenheimer said the same thing after his invention too, put the nukes away.

Dog

ORLY

It's there on Android 6+ but not 5. Also besides the point, when location services are off and WiFi is off and there are no non-google services running there should be nothing scanning.

Bob

01:50

@Dog hm, think I saw it on 5 on LG. def there on 6 with Samsung.

and yea it does scan even with loc off

^ Samsung, 6

Dog

also it doesn't get counted under battery usage or app location usage or cpu usage or wake usage

It basically doesn't show up anywhere

Bob

so when do we get President Trump?

under 24 hours now, yea?

Dog

!! Trump

ChatBot John Cavil

Journeyman Geek

pretty much

Dog

01:55

Do foxes sleep like cats then? Curled up in a cute fluffy ball?

Ben N

@Bob Countdown to Trump

Journeyman Geek

google image search suggests this is likely

hmm

4

Q: What AMD processors provide RDRAND?

The latest AMD programmer manuals, dated June 2015, include the RDRAND instruction in the instruction set. Confer, AMD64 Architecture Programmer’s Manual Volume 3: General-Purpose and System Instructions, page 279. The description of the instruction is: Loads the destination register with a h...

hardware rec?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Not a shopping question.

Could just as easily be a programming question ("where can I enable my code that uses rdrand")

Also works just fine as a SU question ("where can I use rdrand from X program?")

Journeyman Geek

Its essentially asking for specific processor recs tho

and that would change with time

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I think this really is a special case

this is one of those things that doesn't really change

maybe if x86 dies in 10, 20 years

but that's ... yea...

Journeyman Geek

02:01

I'm wondering it would better if it was "how do I find a AMD processor with RDRAND?"

Bob

@JourneymanGeek that's not how I'm interpreting the question, though :\

I don't think the OP's trying to find a specific processor

but more wants to know what the generational cut off point is

Journeyman Geek

eh, I'll let it be ;p

Bob

*shrug*

Journeyman Geek

I really wasn't sure here, enough to use my closehammer ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek oh wait, that comment on the answer... so he was looking to buy -_-

the question certainly doesn't read that way

Journeyman Geek

02:07

Its kinda on the edge IMO

hm

that's interesting

the r60 allegedly does 1024x768 ... at 78hz

Journeyman Geek

03:42

ugh

Agency I was dealing with called me up offering me a job at much lower than what I'm willing to accept, and said my salary expectations were unrealistic.

They're offering about 200 dollars less for a tech support role than my vocationally trained, greenhorn and entirely clueless co-worker was, and their sysop role's completely outside what I want to do.

Job's a job, but these folk seem exploitative and only seem to exist cause too many big government agencies and banks don't want to do their own IT since it's a cost centre

and at this point there's two levels of contracting going on so I have no clue how they actually save money.

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek if it only saves them $5k, that's 5k in bonuses that the CEO can take, they'll take it

Journeyman Geek

I suppose ><

ah heh. I suspect the places I bitch about arn't that unlike where @allquixotic works ;p

bwDraco

@allquixotic lol

Welp, applied for a paid internship in the cultural arts industry.

Journeyman Geek

have fun ;)

bwDraco

04:02

Full-time 35 hours. It'll be somewhere in the city and will begin in the summer. I do not know when I'm getting an interview; I suppose it'll be early March.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek -_-

allquixotic

> We found
a new
phone
for you.
Based on your purchases, we think you'll like the Apple® iPhone® 7 Plus 256GB in Silver for $40.41 per month with no money down.

how hard is it to go, if(phoneToAdvertise.equals(currentPhone))?

(context: personalized email from Verizon Wireless advertising a "new phone" - the one I already have)

Journeyman Geek

lol

is it at least a different colour?

Bob

04:26

@allquixotic I thought it was Amazon at first :P

bwDraco

04:51

@allquixotic Dumb marketing system.

Journeyman Geek

not sure there's smart ones

bwDraco

I see this happen all the time. I buy a product, and I get ads for the same product. Problem is that they can't quite tell if you've actually bought the product or not through the advertising system.

Journeyman Geek

lol

"I already own this product"

one simple change to these ads means

1) they get more information

2) they can target ads better

bwDraco

This would require a bit of extra server-side work to fix (tracking ID = "user with these interests + has purchased these items). Ideally, a targeted ad system should suggest accessories and other items to go with the recent purchase. It would also need to not do this with consumable items (like ink cartridges or candy).

Journeyman Geek

Well, you might not want ads for ink cartridges...

or squid ink flavoured kitkat

(which is something I just made up, and probably exists.)

bwDraco

04:56

Of course, if the user opted out of targeted advertising, this would not be useful or necessary. Such information would be ignored for such users.

Journeyman Geek

Which might be handy

or letting users watch for price drops on items and letting them know when that is

bwDraco

If you're looking to opt out, see networkadvertising.org/choices. I do tend to find relevant ads useful so I haven't opted out, but I do have Do Not Track enabled on my browser (which not many ad networks recognize or honor anyway).

Journeyman Geek

Effective ads for me should be more "psst kid" than carnival busker

bwDraco

lol

Journeyman Geek

So, I currently have my eyes on a DJI Mavic Pro. Would it be more effective to send me ads for phones or "hey, we have this in stock, and we have it currently at X price."

bwDraco

05:00

Yup.

Bob

05:11

If anyone's feeling too happy right now, try this thread: Which fictional character's death is the saddest?

Psycogeek

awwwwww, sad times, good thing no actors were hurt in the making of :-)

PETA would be on them about that

butch and sundance , thelma & louise . while basically both suicide by thier own actions, still climactic

everytime they kill a zombie without a proper trial or public defender on The Walking Dead :-) You dont just toss out the constituion, anytime you feel like it.

Psycogeek

05:35

Your honor my client may look dead, may act a little dead, may have eaten some flesh, but that does not give anyone the right to pass judgement on him without justice.

Journeyman Geek

I'm not, so I'll pass ;)

Psycogeek

Dija ever feel for a security guard or body guard? Wholesale slaughter of people who probably had kids and a life and obviously a job. but in the movies and series they are just action fodder.

to top it off , the real bad guy who caused and paid for all the problems, has to be alive and captured , but the minions they dont even count

Michael Frank

05:51

How do you get IT folk to exercise?

Set up the IP Phones they need to test conferencing on in multiple rooms.

Psycogeek

06:04

move thier hotspot
Have an unconnected end of a long unknown ethernet or fiber cable , wherever it routes to they will too. for extra activity have it go into a wall , but not come back out. Put a tag on it that says: "do not touch"

Bob

It's funny how we dev in a completely Windows environment, but I'm still running into CRLF/LF mixups with SVN.

Doggammit.

Psycogeek

create a wifi access point using thier name , but then hide the hardware

Michael Frank

SSID Name: Password written on whiteboard at reception

Psycogeek

mandate the capture of 18 poke-e-mahn as a term building exercise

Journeyman Geek

lol

man. learning to code is tiring.

and I learnt most of this before

(working through a book I picked up at a humble sale. Though, I'm using a spare PC with a pretty crappy screen so its less distracting)

Psycogeek

06:22

What language?

Journeyman Geek

python

Its not 'unhappy' tiring

I'm probably just using different parts of my brain

Psycogeek

Tell IT the boss finnaly got them an upgraded computer build, and he wanted them to install it, but your not sure where in the building it is found

Journeyman Geek

right, back to the next chapter ;)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek python is an interesting language :P

it requires different thinking from many others

I've used it for quick scripts, but for anything remotely complex... it really does feel like a chore

Journeyman Geek

@Bob its also the one that feels like it makes the most sense to me ;)

lol

I have an eventual project in mind

Bob

06:27

@JourneymanGeek well, you won't know until you try others, would you? :P

(pssst, @BenN, here's our chance to get @JourneymanGeek into PS)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob true

lol

PS is vaguely different tho

Bob

ya

personally, I'm not a fan of PS syntax either

Journeyman Geek

in the sense of it being primarily a scripting language

Bob

I'm not sure if anyone particularly likes the syntax :P

same goes for bash, etc

Journeyman Geek

with stuff like bash and even batch, I tend to work off a bunch of known snippets

Bob

06:28

@JourneymanGeek eh... python is very much a scripting language too

@JourneymanGeek ...how exactly do you think this normally goes? :P

Journeyman Geek

it has a rediculously clean syntax tho

@Bob errrr

right, the secret of programmers. Everything's already been written? ;p

Bob

lol

left-pad!

Journeyman Geek

other-left-pad

Bob

@JourneymanGeek beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that - python is clean in some ways, and hideous in others

especially their insistence on underscoring_all_the_damn_things

(though that's more a pain to type)

eh, some people like underscores :P

at least it's more consistent than PHP

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I thought real programmers hated the use of whitespace over braces?

Bob

06:32

@JourneymanGeek heh... the whitespace thing is largely abstracted away by the IDE

and I indent properly anyway so it usually makes little difference

Journeyman Geek

lol

yeah

I'm missing ST, but I need to look up setting it up for python3

and the pc I am using is literally unusable for anything else ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek vscode. seriously :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

I really like sublime

for like... everything

Psycogeek

slow computers require tight efficient code , if you can optomise it there, you can run it anywhere :-)

Bob

sublime is a text editor

vscode is a lightweight IDE

Journeyman Geek

06:36

@Bob that does syntax highlighting, and you can, to some extent get IDE like features out of it.

Bob

seriously, though, having a proper debugger (breakpoints, variable watches/inspection) is invaluable

@JourneymanGeek there's no sublime plugin for python debugging, afaict

Journeyman Geek

ah

and ugh. I know it sounds dumb

Bob

there's very limited follow-alone if you use PDBSublimeTextSupport but all commands still go through the gui

Journeyman Geek

but I'll probably end up spending too much time trying to get vscode to how I like it ;p

Bob

PyScripter is also pretty good

but it's a rather different feel, and distinctly heavier

Journeyman Geek

06:38

which is why I'm running geany (which is what the book suggests)

Bob

also feels like a UI from last decade :P

@JourneymanGeek Geany is ... bleh.

Journeyman Geek

yup

but fundamentals first?

Bob

It kinda does what it says on the tin. Buuuuut.

Journeyman Geek

Its... white on black

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Heh. I'm well past that stage, but whenever I try to fiddle with a new language, I always set up the environment first.

Because coding blind sucks

Journeyman Geek

06:39

yeah, this syntax highlights

Bob

It's really nice to be able to run your code easily (see: debugger), view results easily (see: debugger) and view error output (see: debugger)

Journeyman Geek

and in another 5 minutes I'm going to turn off the boing, and try to do another 20-30 minutes of this ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek syntax highlighting is very very basic... I'm talking catching errors like trying to compare an int and a string incorrectly

Journeyman Geek

@Bob ah

Bob

I mean, they'll still throw exceptions

it's just faster and easier when your editor points you to the right line rather than having to hop between a console and the editor :P

Journeyman Geek

06:40

but its simpler when you do bigger projects ya?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Bigger projects, I use Visual Studio. Or NetBeans. The big IDEs :P

VSCode is very much small scripts and snippets

Journeyman Geek

and do it in c#? ;p

Bob

(eh... it's basically an actively developed version of sublime with good debugger/language support)

@JourneymanGeek then I'd be in LINQPad, at least for the quick prototyping

Journeyman Geek

and, I'm going to turn off the boing now

Bob

because vscode is good, but linqpad is still better for real quick scripts :P

Journeyman Geek

06:42

See all y'all in a bit ;p

Bob

heh

@JourneymanGeek of course all your choice, but I'd still really suggest trying vscode and/or atom at some point. they're both pretty good lightweight IDEs. pretty sure they also come with sublime keymappings if that's your thing

vscode: python, sublime bindings

atom: python, sublime bindings (?)

sublime: python (??)

I remember jumping around between NP++, some old C++ IDE (Dev-C++? so old...) and Code::Blocks... oh, and vim. They all worked in a pinch but were slow and annoying for various reasons, even the auto-indenters being buggy and fighting me. Only really 'got into' programming with a good IDE... and of course now without some form of autocomplete (proper contextual complete, not the joke of regex matching NP++ uses) writing anything becomes a real pain.

lol.

@JourneymanGeek Your prime minister uses Dev-C++! :P arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/…

oooh, I almost forgot about KDevelop

actually that one was pretty good

haven't used it since I more or less dropped Kubuntu, but ... no bad memories :P

Journeyman Geek

06:58

lol

> I remember jumping around between NP++, some old C++ IDE (Dev-C++? so old...) and Code::Blocks... oh, and vim.

This is what I'm trying to avoid at this point

Bob

@JourneymanGeek It was less really "jumping" and more trying to use one until it hurt too much

Journeyman Geek

tbh, my big problem is maintaining my concentration ;p

Bob

That's why I suggested trying to find a good experience rather than sticking with a, frankly, subpar one :P

oh, now I remember where I heard of Geany

it used to be recommended. like... 5-10 years ago.

basically before any python IDEs really existed

*shrug* it looks to be on par with NP++ :P

@JourneymanGeek eh... that's where I can't help :P

goes with the whole needing something to do with it

oooh, have you tried those coding games?

they give you an actual challenge to beat at each step, sooo... :D

oh yea. python comes with a mini-IDE (IDLE) too. it's not bad, but some keyboard shortcuts are bleh.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

oh yea

@JourneymanGeek If you want python, I found the NCSS Python challenge really good. Straight from never-coded-before beginner to a fairly advanced one. IIRC it was a 5 week thing with 5 'challenges' per week (e.g. first week was ... write a string out, etc.)

Journeyman Geek

07:10

ah the junior sysadmin job's a bust

Bob

but it looks like it's now a paid thing :(

@JourneymanGeek ...urk :(

@JourneymanGeek was that the recruiter one?

Psycogeek

07:27

@Bob I find that to be 100% true. Desire to do something with it that functions , that outputs , that acts to your will. write the code demos in the book, then change the demo to output something different. book read yourself out to anywhere you would say "hmm i can make this thing with it" or "could it do this" then try.

Reading endless texts of the book without application, was like the time i tried to read microsofts 500+ page referance manuel , numb the mind, put me to sleep, or act on it. I could not see how anyone can attempt to memorise that quantity of data, without using or applying it.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob kinda

there were 2 recruitment companies and a training place involved

Psycogeek

07:48

People who specialise better at memorisation , tend to not process as much.
people who tend towards processing all mental inputs , not nessisarily great at memorisation.
it is very short term to memorise, stuff changes , and raw memory didnt change with it. Longer term is to process everything and repackage it as logic and building blocks, with all the supplied knowlege in the books and the web as the memory store.
The microsoft referance book, was from back in NT4 times. (what a waste of my efforts)

Bob

that 39 though

Psycogeek

08:04

gosh bob is on friday already. were still on thursday.

Bob knows the future

Journeyman Geek

It's Friday here too

Psycogeek

what are fridays lottery numbers? I'll split it with you :-)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek did you end up getting anywhere or did I sidetrack you too much? :P

Journeyman Geek

Eh. Worked through most of the chapter on lists.

Then had to deal with emails.

Doing another 20 min after walkies

Bob

ah

Psycogeek

08:14

my dogs ears just perked up

its that word , walkies , dont say it if you dont mean it :-)

Journeyman Geek

Lol. On walkies now

Bob

08:33

> With transfer rates of 480 Gbps (Giga bits per second) you can be sure your phone and tablet will charge fast.

2

Amazon. pls.

@Dog looks like power consumption has calmed down to ~100 W. I haven't changed anything!

@JourneymanGeek I'm gonna give comGateway another shot :P

Journeyman Geek

Try not to buy anything remotely power bank like

Bob

@JourneymanGeek uhm. uh oh?

my entire cart is USB-related :(

Journeyman Geek

Lol

Bob

Burgi

morning

Bob

08:40

'lo

djsmiley2k

08:53

lol why you want all those?

also morning yall

djsmiley2k

09:08

Can I enable copy/pasting to a vbox vm some how

was sure I could but can't see hte option now

Bob

@djsmiley2k yes, you can

djsmiley2k

echo "<input type=\"hidden\" value\"".$file_name . "\" name=\"file_name\">";

ah so much escaping

Bob

but I don't have vbox on this machine so *shrug*

djsmiley2k

@Bob ah ty :D

knowiung the option exists and I didn't imagine it, helps

Bob

it was either under VM settings or one of the menus

djsmiley2k

09:09

ah found it

clipboard -> bidirectional

<form action=\"process.php\" method=\"post\">
    <input type=\"hidden\" value=\"". $file_name . "\" name=\"file_name\">
    <input type=\"submit\" value=\"Process Now\" name=\"submit\">";

I'm sure there's a cleaner way to echo this out

Oh, single '

How could I forget?

Bob

@djsmiley2k the cleaner way is to use a templating engine

technically, PHP itself is a (poor) templating engine :P

djsmiley2k

this is a 10minute hack job / proof of concept

It's not even part of 'my job' as such

Bob

i.e. rather than echo you'd, say, write it as HTML and then stick a <?php only where you need to access vars

djsmiley2k

ah yeah

that is cleaner, but i'm terribad

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k you'd also need the addon tools package on the guest

Bob

09:22

hm

trying to remember if there was something else I was meant to buy

would be rather awkward to realise after

@JourneymanGeek also debating sending cgw a preemptive email telling them this has no batteries :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

oh yea I need more SATA power cables

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek yup, already installed that one

Bob

the ones included with the PSU are awkwardly spaced just too closely together for me to use two adjacent plugs on two adjacent SSDs

funnily enough both case and PSU are Corsair

Rahul2001

10:05

I just created my first virus (just for fun, I swear)... And no anivirus software detects it...

This is pretty pathetic

Burgi

what does the virus do?

does it self-replicate?

Rahul2001

Yes, it does

Burgi

and what does it do?

Rahul2001

Other details will not be disclosed until I finish working on this, I think I've struck gold xD

Then it shall make for a brilliant blog post

Journeyman Geek

._.

djsmiley2k

10:17

How does it propergate D:

Journeyman Geek

akitaonrails.com/2017/01/17/optimizing-linux-for-slow-computers

> A "slow" computer is not necessarily sporting old CPUs. I am doing my tests on a very old Lenovo Thinkcentre Edge 71z tower desktop. It has an old 2nd generation Intel Core 2.4Ghz 4 cores SandyBridge CPU.

runs linux with no mods on a 8 year old core 2 duo....

> This extension alone can save you a couple of GIGABYTES of RAM, which is no small thing if you have 8GB or less.

512mb. byotch pleeze

djsmiley2k

lol

plz see raspi

I ran *(and compiled parts of) gentoo on a raspi

Journeyman Geek

> I always heard that GNOME and even KDE are too slow, you should just use XFCE (or LXQt, or MATE).

And it always striked me as one of those things people just keep repeating until it becomes the official canon.

As an engineer, I dislike thinking that way. Defying the canon is more like what an engineer should do.

djsmiley2k

ionice is your friend

Journeyman Geek

Dude. That's cause its TRUE

djsmiley2k

10:19

yup

in every legend, there is a kernel of truth

KDE is designed for the newest systems, and them only

Journeyman Geek

And by kernel, you mean

djsmiley2k

but people hear the 'linux will run on anything' and expect the newest best kde, on everything

@JourneymanGeek lol not sure what you mean here?

the truth is out there?

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k the truth with ~~set you free~~ roll over you like a bolder.

djsmiley2k

And it's huge and going to flatten you?

Journeyman Geek

That's indy!

djsmiley2k

10:20

:D right

djsmiley2k

10:40

Awww cute

php's move_uploaded_file doesn't write out any error message when it fails

it just silently fails \o/

djsmiley2k

10:52

And now the fun part, import the xls file, change it to csv and simply display it for now

problems like this are the worst, as there's so many changes to libs over time

so what was right 6 months ago is hugely out of date now

Burgi

does it not return a 0 if it fails?

which you can test for

djsmiley2k

@Burgi maybe

it didn't write out anything to the error log

which is bad times

concidering debug is enabled

Burgi

w3schools.com/php/func_filesystem_move_uploaded_file.asp

djsmiley2k

yus that

Burgi

> This function returns TRUE on success, or FALSE on failure.

you load it against a variable then test in your code if the move has worked

djsmiley2k

10:58

yup

everything else writes out to the error log on failure

this doesn't

that's derp D:

Anyway, excel to csv... ?

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