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00:04
> 2FA would make it harder to exploit, but phishing attacks are getting fancier. They capture the 2FA code you enter and immediately start a session elsewhere with your password and 2FA. Hardware 2FA, a security key, (such as a Yubikey) is the only likely way to prevent phishing (excluding targets of state actors)
Okaaaaaay I guess I might need to look into getting a U2F device
@allquixotic IIRC you own a U2F key, right?
And chrome supports it natively (maybe chromium too?)
> $17.99 + $30.89 Shipping & Import Fees Deposit to Brazil
Ouch. R$ 150.
“My laptop came bundled with malware that causes a serious security flaw,” Tom said superficially.
So basically, check your damn URL before entering user/pass.
@DavidPostill i've just woken up and been proven wrong
@Burgi You have snow now?
yup and by the looks of it about 1 inch
00:17
We had a few flakes and some hail ...
its not been as heavy as i originally thought
certainly not the apocalyptic levels they were predicting
Over Here (Eindhoven) we are just getting a thin white layer.
in @burgi's britain i'd ban people from freaking out about what is effectively "normal for january" weather
i haven't thought of a punishment yet
@Hennes all i know about eindhoven i learnt from band of brothers :(
People are just used to global harming.
speaking of being an uncultured brit, i'm going to go watch the grand tour
with a cup of tea no less
00:28
@Burgi You youngsters should stop complaining. I remember the winter of 1962/63. The snow was over my head :)
The winter of 1962–1963 (also known as the Big Freeze of 1963) was one of the coldest winters on record in the United Kingdom. Temperatures plummeted and lakes and rivers began to freeze over. In the Central England Temperature (CET) record, extending back to 1659, only the winter (defined as the months of December, January and February) of 1683–84 has been significantly colder, with 1739–40 being slightly colder than 1962–63. Over Scotland and Northern Ireland, where data do not extend back to 1740, the winters of 1813–14 and 1878–79 were certainly colder than 1962–63, as was the winter of 1779...
This was Liverpool in 1963 ...
“Many think back to January 1963, said to have been the coldest month of the 20th century. The temperature fell below freezing on December 22, 1962 and, incredibly, hardly got past zero until early March 1963. That winter, mini icebergs appeared in the Mersey and it was safe to skate on park lakes. In the more rural areas of Merseyside and West Lancashire, snowploughs had to be used, as snow was higher than hedgerows with drifts still visible in the April.”
@DavidPostill you've changed a lot in the last 40 years....
@Burgi lol
i reckon the large number of pollutants in the air during the 60s caused the heavy snow fall, as the snow crystal had something to form around
@DavidPostill I see your winter of 63 in the UK and raise a winter of 45 in the URSS.
URSS?
00:38
USSR?
@ThatBrazilianGuy Your mirror is broken again :)
@DavidPostill My mirror speaks Portuguese ;p
URSS is an alternative spelling of USSR. In other languages, it stands for Union des républiques socialistes soviétiques (French), Unión de Repúblicas Socialistas Soviéticas (Spanish), Uni Republik Sosialis Soviet (Indonesian), Unione delle Repubbliche Socialiste Sovietiche (Italian), União das Repúblicas Socialistas Soviéticas (Portuguese), Uniunea Republicilor Sovietice Socialiste (Romanian), among others. Within the Soviet Union itself, "URSS" was the preferred Latin-script abbreviation for the country until World War II, when it was replaced with "USSR". URSS may also refer to: Editorial URSS...
@ThatBrazilianGuy I wasn't alive in 1945 and I suspect you weren't either.
@ThatBrazilianGuy you mean brazilian spanish
My granma was alive, in Russia, and digging trenches, at 14yo
@Burgi <slap>
00:41
i thought brazilian spanish was a meme now... is it not?
@Burgi I heard es-br is really incomprehensible.
What's the difference between es-BR and es-ES?
@ThatBrazilianGuy thats what i was thinking
@bwDraco more incomprehensible
@bwDraco One of those exists.
Are you sure there's a nontrivial number of people speaking Spanish in Brazil?
I don't think there's a Brazilian variant of Spanish...
00:44
omg...
I suspect you mean es-419 [Spanish (Latin America)]...
Jan 6 at 16:09, by That Brazilian Guy
that was the joke
you just steamrollered it with pure logical reasoing
lol
Stepping out. Sorry I blew the joke...
00:47
Dude, chill out (build 2017.01.12)
@bwDraco we need to get you down to a pub and teach you how to relax
lol
Sep 21 '16 at 23:01, by bwDraco
...and this is how my lack of a sense of humor can be actively disruptive to chat. Sorry, folks.
Heh, no worries
No disruption was had
you can be very.... sheldon
it wasn't a very good joke tbh
For the love of ᗡO⅁, please @bwDraco don't ever turn lawful evil. ;p
00:50
lol
but you still steamrollered it all the same
right grand tour.... now minus tea because @bwDraco has been too entertaining
Hmmm I wonder if I can turn my Pi Zero into a U2F device
Bob
Bob
@ThatBrazilianGuy it'd probably be easier to use an old phone
I don't think a Pi can act as a USB peripheral?
Dog
Dog
01:10
01:24
@Bob It's not how the poisontap works?
Bob
Bob
01:51
@ThatBrazilianGuy Turns out the answer is more of a "maybe" and only of late last year...
02:26
made you all a meme, your going to need someday :-)
@Psycogeek i have just one thing to tell you
3 mins ago, by Psycogeek
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Anonymous
@DavidPostill @bwDraco thanks!
Anonymous
I'm actually bragging a bit too because I got top marks on the hardest English certification
Anonymous
I'm actually quite happy about it
Bob
Bob
04:01
so apparently it's going to get hotter at night
04:15
@Bob the pi zero can iirc
Anonymous
04:27
@Bob that's nothing, you're lucky you live by the sea
Anonymous
Anonymous
that's celsius. And now it's 01:30 AM and it's 25 ºC
Anonymous
Yesterday was just as awful, with 36ºC max too
Anonymous
Mother nature is not treating us southerners gently this summer
ahh that isnt even hotter than the human body, all you gotta do is run around nakid and it will be perfect temps, for running arround nakid
43 now thats hot , he says from california
Bob
Bob
04:41
@PatoSáinz it's not particularly hot (38 two days ago, often hits 40, highest was 45?). just unusual to have temps go up in the evening
Anonymous
@Bob oh you win then. I guess you just can't compete against Australia
Bob
Bob
@PatoSáinz also, by the sea is arguably worse... the humidity, oh god
Anonymous
It's like everything there wants to kill you
Bob
Bob
depends if you're lucky enough to get a warm breeze
@PatoSáinz we're definitely not the hottest region (that 45 was hopefully a fluke)
Anonymous
@Bob yea, I'd rather live somewhere hot and dry rather than with a tropical-ish weather
Bob
Bob
04:43
I'm near the harbour, so humid and "mildly" hot. Go further west and ... I think they get 40+ even today
one sec, lemme check
Anonymous
Santiago is the same in that aspect, it's usually dry
Anonymous
@Bob How can anybody live like that, that's higher than the normal body temperature
Bob
Bob
@PatoSáinz the wonders of aircon
today's a windy hot, so... not that bad
air was completely still two days ago
Anonymous
@Bob so
Bob
Bob
oh look, Penrith gets 43 today
ow
Anonymous
04:46
Australia's currently a living hell, with temps that can kill you and the centrelink fiasco?
Bob
Bob
@PatoSáinz eh... temps this year are worst than last year, but they're not quite that bad :P
I just like complaining for the heck of it
though, I do want something cooler -_-
be glad you don't live here: bom.gov.au/nsw/forecasts/penrith.shtml
Anonymous
What the hell
Anonymous
43 ºC, then next day raining with 35 ºC
Anonymous
oh and a minimum of 27
Bob
Bob
yea, that's 60km out west
Anonymous
04:48
@Bob have you not been hit by the centrelink thing?
Bob
Bob
bout as far as you can go while still considering it "Sydney" I think
@PatoSáinz nup. wait what centrelink thing
which one is it? the youth allowance one?
Anonymous
the debt recollection thing
Bob
Bob
hm... no?
Anonymous
I just learnt about it yesterday
Anonymous
how the hell can gov't f* shit up like that so monumentally
Anonymous
04:50
What I don't understand is, is welfare in Australia privatised @Bob?
Anonymous
centrelink behaves exactly like say, AT&T and they even have a logo with a brand
Bob
Bob
@PatoSáinz nup
No one has ever accused the AU gov of being technologically competent
Anonymous
@Bob I mean, if I were Australian
Anonymous
I'd just vote whoever is in charge of that government the hell away
Anonymous
and I'd fight some dingos too
Bob
Bob
04:54
@PatoSáinz if only it were that easy
Anonymous
It's a major screw up. And that's coming from someone living in a country where 500.000 people were unwillingly moved away from their electoral districts two weeks before elections due to a misbehaving piece of software.
Anonymous
@Bob why? I'd like to think most Australians must be really angered right now
Anonymous
Isn't that so?
Bob
Bob
@PatoSáinz ...no? Not in relation to this, at least.
It doesn't affect the vast majority of people.
Anonymous
@Bob that's somewhere with reasonable temps, but really humid. Not my liking.
Anonymous
04:58
@Bob oh, but don't the middle classes care about mistakes like that?
Anonymous
I mean, I can understand why a big businessowner might not care
@PatoSáinz no?
Anonymous
I guess you two are right. I was being too romantic.
Anonymous
Most people wouldn't care less unless it affected their pockets.
Bob
Bob
@PatoSáinz The "middle classes", by and large, are not affected.
AFAICT this is mostly people who receive some amount of income assistance because they earn under a certain amount per year.
05:01
Bob
Bob
There's not many people who fall into that category.
btw, @PatoSáinz, here's the record smh.com.au/environment/weather/…
Anonymous
@Bob ours is 43,3 ºC
Anonymous
but, for minimum temperatures, we've got -37 ºC and the least precipitation in a year (0 mm of water)
Anonymous
and the biggest earthquake ever recorded. So we are even, Australia
Bob
Bob
lol
It rarely ever gets below 0 in Sydney
I've never seen snow in the city.
Anonymous
05:06
wow. Australia's "dome of heat". First time I've ever heard that. Seems evil.
Bob
Bob
That map looks evil :P
They chose a good colour for it.
Anonymous
so, confirmed. Hell is located somewhere under central Australia
Anonymous
Is anybody here still running things on a Sandy Bridge-gen CPU?
Anonymous
I wonder if it's worth to upgrade to Haswell or Skylake (or Zen?) this year
Bob
Bob
@PatoSáinz ya
@PatoSáinz I'm planning an upgrade to Kaby Lake in March
i7-2600 to i7-7700k
Anonymous
05:13
why Kaby Lake?
Bob
Bob
@PatoSáinz why not?
I don't really need the CPU upgrade... my main goal is to get a new motherboard.
Anonymous
because I've seen it's got an horrible price/value ratio
Bob
Bob
A more modern mobo, with more expansion capability.
@PatoSáinz It's newly released.
Anonymous
specially since with the i7-6600k you get the same as the i7-7700k
Bob
Bob
Give it a couple months and it'll be on par with Skylake prices.
Anonymous
05:15
@Bob but skylake by then will be cheaper. I'm more of a value minded person, even though I wouldn't mind having a nice new MoBo
Anonymous
I mean, a lot of reviewers have said that the i7-7700 is just uninteresting and not a good value at all
Bob
Bob
@PatoSáinz Meh. I'm not bargain hunting here.
Anonymous
(I'm currently running on an i5-2310)
Bob
Bob
@PatoSáinz "not good value" compared to what?
Of course it's a poor upgrade from Skylake.
But I'm not upgraading from Skylake.
Anonymous
@Bob yeah, to skylake
Bob
Bob
05:16
@PatoSáinz Then that's a terrible comparison for my purposes.
Anonymous
I want to get something newer for better TDP and for decent motherboard capabilities
Bob
Bob
Either you wait another year or two for the next gen.
Or you go Kaby.
Anonymous
What about Zen? Doesn't it look promising to you?
Bob
Bob
Skylake to Kaby is a waste of month.
Anonymous
(also much cheaper and better overclocking)
Bob
Bob
05:17
Sandy to Kaby doesn't cost much more than Sandy to Skylake, and has some minor advantages.
Anonymous
also, you are buying a K-series CPU, do you overclock?
Bob
Bob
@PatoSáinz Also still not available
As long as they're unreleased I'm going to assume they don't exist.
@PatoSáinz Currently? No. But it's an option. And the k-series has a higher base clock anyway.
Anonymous
And are you planning on a GPU upgrade too?
Bob
Bob
@PatoSáinz And [citation needed] on better overclocking too
@PatoSáinz Already have a GTX 1080.
Anonymous
@Bob Nice
Bob
Bob
05:20
IMO, it doesn't matter which one "can" overclock further from their base clocks.
What matters to me is the (single-threaded) performance, whether pre- or post- overclock.
Anyway, my planned purchase will be after Zen release, probably
Anonymous
@Bob according to some benchmarks (yes, I'm weaselwording) AMD beat Intel on that too with their new machine learning-powered cache prefetch thingy
Bob
Bob
But it's unlikely I'll go with them.
Anonymous
What I'll miss from Sandy Bridge is the price of DDR3 ram. It got so cheap.
Bob
Bob
@PatoSáinz "some benchmarks"
Are there any independent ones yet?
Leaked benchmarks, meh.
AMD/marketing benchmarks, meh.
Rumors and speculation, meh.
Anonymous
>
The event also showed Ryzen chips in action, using a 3.4GHz eight-core 16-thread top-end part to run through Blender rendering and Handbrake transcoding benchmarks which demonstrated narrow wins against Intel's rival Core i7-6900K - impressive, given that the Ryzen part on test had a 95W thermal design profile (TDP) to the Core i7's 140W TDP. Gaming, too, saw a boost: AMD's chip equalled or improved upon the frame rates of Battlefield 1 played at a 4K resolution against Intel's processor, though to achieve said frame rates AMD was embarrassingly reliant on pairing both processors with a p
Anonymous
05:24
This was done live. With people external to AMD.
Anonymous
Not meh at all
Bob
Bob
@PatoSáinz I'm not saying they made up the numbers.
I'm saying they can pick and choose the benchmarks that show their hardware in the best light.
Anonymous
Oh right, but I think that forging handbrake and blender results might prove a bit hard
Anonymous
It's not like Intel or the ARM SoC-makers optimising for specific tests
Bob
Bob
A typical benchmark comparison would cover half a dozen different games, a wide range of software, even some responsiveness tests, etc..
Anonymous
05:25
this are real workstation tests
Anonymous
@Bob True, there's still a need for more information
Anonymous
But everything points in the same direction for now
Bob
Bob
@PatoSáinz Again, I'm not saying they forged the results.
Just that they picked the specific workload that their chips perform the best on.
Anonymous
@Bob No not, forge. But you know, optimising. Like with the ICC compiler
Bob
Bob
They're not lying, just being potentially misleading.
@PatoSáinz And that's the most suspicious part. They've really pushed the heavily multithreaded benchmark, and I've seen little to no info on single-threaded performance.
Anonymous
05:27
If it performs better in handbrake and blender it's already a huge win. But I see your point and you're right. We still need independent reviewers.
Bob
Bob
To me, that implies that it's not good enough for them to release it as marketing.
Anonymous
@Bob I hope it's not like the AMD from the past
Anonymous
Bob
Bob
@PatoSáinz It's a win for certain workloads.
Would probably do well on servers and workstations.
But it's of negligible benefit to home use (including gaming).
Anonymous
@Bob but probably for "pro" use it would be better. nvm, you said workstations
Bob
Bob
05:29
Now, if they manage to at least come close to matching Intel on single-threaded, then that's great.
@PatoSáinz "pro" use is such a wide range
Anonymous
Yeah, your "pro" is not my "pro" or Apple's "pro"
Bob
Bob
I think I've mentioned before that I probably fall into the category that more cores would benefit
I often run a bunch of VMs, etc.
@PatoSáinz I play games in 4k on a older intel
Anonymous
@Bob when you're upgrading, do you buy locally in Australia or do you import from abroad?
Bob
Bob
But even then 4 cores satisfies most of my needs, and single-threaded perf is still more important for me.
Anonymous
05:30
I'm a bit short in cores, I'd like to have say, 4+HT
Bob
Bob
@PatoSáinz And that's another reason you need a range of tests conducted by independent reviewers, not whatever $company's marketing puts out.
@PatoSáinz Eh... depends.
For the pricier stuff I prefer to buy locally, even if it costs more
Anonymous
because of warranty?
Bob
Bob
Ya. And because shipping is a pain. And because local I can take advantage of price drop insurance :P
Also because, surprisingly, hardware tends to not cost that much more locally.
Ironically, it's usually the software (w/ digital distribution) that has the highest markups.
> Now expected Jan 12 - Jan 26
We’re sorry your package is late. If it hasn’t arrived by Friday, Jan 27, please come back for more options.
oh gee thanks
Anonymous
@Bob wow that's a pretty wide margin
>_>
I buy my hardware in actual shops
Bob
Bob
05:48
> I'm sorry about the tracking that was not updated, let me fix this for it will not happen again.
wat
how does some random CS rep fix tracking? O_O
...I was just gonna double-check if tracking was supposed to stop just after leaving the "Amazon facility" (...never did before)
bleh
I have the sneaking suspicion that their assurances of it arriving soon are just from a script :P
That thing about AIs replacing workers? Could totally happen with most chat support.
Anonymous
@Bob hope it's good AI
Anonymous
and not just an IVR
@Bob i know some weird ways that tracking can be wack. as a seller we all can get postage online, and originally stupid computers would class the purchace as shipped, even though they could take 2 weeks still to get it off to the ship-per. the stupid computers would even supply an estimate of delivery , and still the user enters in the date of shipment.
how they would change an active tracking that is henceforth classed to be actually in the system and actually shipping, would be a mystery. but a simple sending of li-ion without marking that in the stupid computer (again) could cause the package to get in a holding pattern even in the middle of getting it on a airline
these artistic uses of computers lying through thier programming :-) means a seller can display to data that an item is in a proper state, when (in so much) they do not even have the product in thier hand.
and indeed people will sell something they get on craigslis or e-bay, before they even own it themselves.
include in there somewhere "drop Shipping" where a person will have sold an item, that they do not know if the drop shipper even has in stock. the drop shipper then can make creative use of stupid computers to keep the contract until they get another shipment or manufacture to supply it
06:14
speaking of stupid computers, here is a wild one
ATT phone company has a computer kiosk for making payments while the lazy 6 employees are sitting on thier hands playing with smart phones :-)
they have already replaced the computer this month, with one that gives out change.
Without trying i was able to get the machine to take a $100 and refund it out into $20s :-) which can be useful when at night many gas stations will not take a $100bill even if you buy $60 freaking doller of gas.
So I accidentally turned thier brilliant payment kiosk into a change machine, by cancelling the payment and having it give back 20s
Then i went back and told the 6 lazy employees still enjoying themselves at my expences, that 2 times the machine displayed comment data about the transaction that was incorrect. they demanded that i explain exactally where i saw it, or they couldnt report it
I kinda didnt tell them i could drain the thing of $20 bills by tricking it :-)
who tests this stuff ? gads some steam games come with less bugs , not many but some do
The reverse of that, but everyone here but me already knows. Bank computers are programmed to be really pessimistic about how much money is actually in your bank account. providing 2 ammounts, one of them including all pending but not processed transactions.
Yea when it is thier money at stake :-) But why people are not asking if all this stuff is being proccessed via computer, why would simple transactions take 1-2 days to complete? what happened to the promice of the computer handling them?
06:49
want more? paypal shipping snafus , like your printer not working when it comes to print the postage, they are registered in the computer and if you screwed up (and i did) they do not get cancelled until much time has passed, some say a month.
I assume in that situation, the time delay and some human assistance needed and the corelating of the data between the 2 sources.
So now a seller has bought shipping, a computer somewhere could still be marking it shipped (as the person told it) yet the postage did not print, and the seller is out the money, until it is determined by a time default t
to notice also that in some (stupid computer) situations if they changed what seems wrong about them, any scammer or user could bleed the system because it doesnt know what is going on, and a quick change by a stupid computer could allow for a scam using these methods.
Security delays :-)
Welp, we got snow
and the locking mechism on my car door froze/got stuck d:
I think the spring on it is going rather than it actually freezing tho
doo doo doo
Bob
Bob
doo doo?
07:06
@allquixotic only in the litter bin plz.
@JourneymanGeek lol
arugh
my cold is finally leaving me (not coughed in like 2 days)
but my nose, it never stops running
@djsmiley2k rugah
must of done 10 miles by now
But, SNOW!! :D
lol 10 miles of mucus :-)
running on snail trails
07:11
C: strlen -> string length; strdup -> duplicate a string; strstr -> find a substring; what would strarugh do? cc @djsmiley2k
@Dog that cat: "I'm sexy and I know it"
break a string into little peices and stamp on it?
Bob
Bob
07:32
@allquixotic strstr has always sounded weird to me
08:11
Hi!
08:30
@Bob stirstir :D
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Bob
@allquixotic that too :P
but more that the name doesn't really match the fn
I just spent an hour and a half writing out plans for how to get into Washington, DC for work tomorrow; I'm doing a one-off where I go to a Federal building; get some accounts, a laptop, and probably a badge; and work remote part-time as an "add-on job" (like a second job, but working with the same employer, getting paid straight time overtime)
Bob
Bob
o.O
I can either drive the whole way; park in the DC suburbs and take a long subway train ride into the city; park in the local suburbs (near me) and take a long commuter train (above ground, diesel train) to DC then take a very short subway train; or park at the airport train station, take a different above-ground commuter train and then take the same short subway train
driving all the way into the city is madness
08:38
so, of the public trans routes...
option #1 costs $14 in fares and will take a round trip time around 85 - 100 minutes, but it's a subway so the underground tunnels will wreak havoc on my sinuses :( plus it's the "crummiest" train of the three
option #2 costs $47 (!!!) in fares plus parking fees at the train station and will take a round trip time of only 55 - 70 minutes... it'd be nice, and I'd spend less time commuting, but that's ridiculous for a round trip to work
plust it can take extra time if you get stabbed right?
option #3 costs $20, free parking, less train fares, but takes around 100 to 110 minutes
morning
I think I'm going with option #3 because I don't like the subway
and I'm not paying $47
i've battled through the arctic apocalypse and made it into work
08:41
@Burgi you know that if you live in the Antarctic, you have to eat 6 sticks of butter for breakfast so you don't die?
I'd love to have my metabolism on that kind of overdrive, even for a few days, and then shock it by not eating and lose like 10 lbs
heh
I walked 12k steps
before lunch 0_0
08:41
@allquixotic lol @ "wreak havoc on my sinuses"
(also saw monitor lizards and a baby croc)
This is not typically an issue on the NYC subway.
@bwDraco or if you don't have sinuses that try to kill you
@allquixotic are you government employee?
@bwDraco well it does! they enter these tunnels at 50 - 60 mph and the air compression effect feels worse (to me) than getting on an airplane
08:42
@Burgi we could tell you but than we'd have to kill you
@Burgi no
There's a running joke here that @allquixotic is a secret agent ;p
hehe
.....
dude. I explicitly said running joke.
Out of our tendancy to be literal
How much more literal can I be?
i'll let the russians know so they can lock you in a hotel room with a load of hookers
08:44
test engineer / developer / consultant / solution architect / team lead / project manager / performance engineer / technical writer / ...
excellent! D&D night!
but I get paid like MIN_SALARY([jobs])
hm... any good movie recommendations?
hey Putin, my asking price is low ;-) j/k
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Bob
@allquixotic s/.*/all the things/
08:45
@Rahul2001 you need to be more specific
date move? Sitting alone with a tub of chocolate ice cream movie?
@allquixotic heh. NYC subway trains are not designed to run faster than 55 mph and typically do about 30-40 mph.
@Rahul2001 all the movies i watch are rarely suitable for a 15yo
@JourneymanGeek in the bathroom with your phone movie? oh, that's not that kind of movie ;p
@JourneymanGeek Adventure/tech/teen?
08:46
sitting alone with 250GB of data for 3 days movie
finding dory?
@Burgi seen
Blue's Clues
LazyTown
spectral was mindless and fun
i am back still figuring out how he gets from where he is to DC in 110 minutes.
08:47
ooh! Iron Giant!
@Psycogeek creep
madagasdar 3
@JourneymanGeek streaming now
or however it is spelt
@Burgi seen
08:48
That movie will give you a serious case of the feels
Keane fans: today Tom Chaplin's solo album "The Wave" hit Spotify / iTunes / Amazon Music. Go get it; it's not bad, and certainly better than all the singles he's been churning out
@allquixotic you didnt tell your starting position. and i thought your home thing was way further from there.
it doesn't really matter because its a terrible film
@Burgi iron giant?
1 min ago, by Burgi
madagasdar 3
08:50
lol
I was looking at the movies I had around
and realised most of those arn't kidfriendly
and I can't seem to find my copy of this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocolate_(2008_film)
cars 3 is looking good

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