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or does Germany use different frequencies
@Bob From what?
Bob
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@qasdfdsaq more local towers
hm. directional antenna?
gah, I dunno. I treat radio as a giant black box :P
@Bob Eh, might be a problem if you're close, yeah. But the "identifying" signals in LTE are designed to be very clear and easily detected over tons of interference
Most of Europe uses the same frequencies by the way, we've harmonized on band 20, band 3, and band 7.
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@qasdfdsaq now I wonder if anyone has tried a cubesat for communications
the harder part might be getting a spectrum licence
Erf. dBW is confusing when mobiles all measure in dBm
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16:04
@qasdfdsaq lucky you :P
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> B1, B3, B5, B7, B8, B28, B40
So a typical mobile transmitter at 10km distance, with a typical mobile handset, would get an RSSI of -40.5dBm
Bob
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Got enough freqs yet, Au carriers?!
That's like, 15 bars of signal on a scale of 1-4
@Bob Heh, well we'll be adding 38/39/40 soon
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16:05
@qasdfdsaq o.o
At 100km, that drops to -60.5dBm RSSI, which is like, still "full bars" on most handsets
At 1000km you're still getting -80.5dBm, which is like, 3/4 bars on a Samsung S7
Note radio propagation basic rule of thumb: Double the distance, lose -6dBm signal
10x the distance, lose 20dBm signal.
Bob
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Meanwhile, at <100m from two towers, I get... 0-1 bar at work.
So, at 10,000km = -100.5dBm, or 100,000km = -120.5dBm
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With giant glass windows. Actually, how's transmission through glass?
The latter (at 100,000km) is just beyond the limit of the capability of modern phones to use
@Bob Pretty poor. Most people assume it's transparent to RF but really it's as transparent as a brick wall of similar thickness
Bob
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16:09
Ow.
So yeah, the absolute maximum range of a "normal" LTE transmitter with a typical consumer phone would be would be able to get signal would be something like 250,000-500,000km.
(That's at 800Mhz, use a lower frequency = get more signal too)
Err, not 250-500
25,000-50,000km.
If you stuck satellite dishes at either end (e.g. ~50-60dB total gain instead of 22dB) you'd gain another 100x the distance.
Gotta love inverse square law and friis path loss...
@Bob Well microwave basically doesn't go through solid things
am1.us/Protected_Papers/… has an interesting test of many different materials
But a very very rough rule of thumb is you lose like 100dB per metre of building material
So two or three solid walls will pretty much block any mobile signal. In reality, gaps like windows, vents, etc. allow signal to bounce through rather than going directly via solid brick/concrete so in practice you can still receive signal indoors
But in practice most of the signal you get indoors isn't coming in a straight line through the wall from the transmitter, but rather coming through any gaps available and bouncing off the interior walls
For the same reason, covering your phone or spinning around in a city doesn't make a huge difference to your reception, whereas doing the same in the countryside can easily take you from full signal to zero
Aaaanyway, enough of that. I have servers that need to be set up and girls need to be ogled.
can you not do both?
16:24
Can you not block me again? It was less confusing when I didn't have to guess whether you could read my messages or not
@qasdfdsaq @DavidPostill Could say the same thing to you.
@Rahul2001 But I did block him so I can't see his messages, that's never changed
Setting up the new router...
@Rahul2001 What? I've never blocked anybody. If somebody else gets confused about whether or not I can read their messages that's not my problem.
16:28
who is blocking who?
@Burgi It appears @qasdfdsaq is blocking @Burgi as far as I can tell. I'm also blocked (except when I'm not because I get a response). I haven't blocked anybody. So it's all very confusing :)
Of course the correct terminology is ignored, but that's just nit-picking.
i don't block, it's too easy
i prefer to dismantle my opponents
@DavidPostill What I meant was that you might find it less confusing when you didn't have to guess whether @qasdfdsaq could read your messages or not
xD
Urgh great, have to rebuild my CA again because I made a stupid typo last time
And re-issue all my certs...
16:35
@Rahul2001 lol. I received confirmation I was ignored 2 days. I don't suppose anything has changed since then.
I love it when that happens
like when you set the common name incorrectly
wee
Of course @qasdfdsaq still manages to read my posts even though I'm ignored. That's the confusing part.
2 days ago, by DavidPostill
1 hour ago, by qasdfdsaq
@DavidPostill And that sort of argumentative bragging is why you're blocked. Nobody asked you to change your name, and the internet didn't exist before I was born. Check your facts.
@WHATEVERDave Lol if only it was that obvious
So I'm ignored but I still get responses. Somebody can't make up their mind up.
16:37
Actually I had one letter off by one in the CRL URL, qasdfdsaq.dom/ca-crl.pem instead of .com
2 days ago, by DavidPostill
1 hour ago, by DavidPostill
I would be very surprised if you are older than 47. Please check your facts.

"The Internet was activated in 1969 as a network of university mainframe computers, making it 45 years old in 2014."
RFC1.txt @DavidPostill
Funny that that one didn't get a response. Ignoring/blocking is clearly selective. A bit like selective deafness I suppose ...
I guess I'm like Schrödinger's cat, both ignored and not ignored at the same time ...
16:48
Reading through the transcript obviously.
^--- this
@jokerdino Of course. In pretty much real time. Kind of defeats the purpose of blocking. Especially when continuing to make a fuss about who is or is not blocked and any confusion arising therefrom :)
note the silence since we started talking about this subject...
"we"? I only see one person talking
Duly noted.
16:55
#childish ;)
I think we all know we have better things to do.
@Burgi You're blocked so he must be referring to some other we, not yours :)
@jokerdino Just when we were starting to have fun ...
In other news, the combination of AVG antivirus, Windows 10, and UEFI is currently giving me an extraordinarily frustrating time
"AVG antivirus" <barf>
16:59
The 1607 update broke something about the AVG boot-start driver, so now the machine refuses to boot
And thanks to UEFI and Windows 10's interaction with it, I can't get in to safe mode
Didn't Windows break AV support more than once?
avg's still a thing?
Evidently yes :(
I mean i remmeber when they were good, but...
It's the other way around. Some AV programs broke Windows more than once.
17:00
mse kinda killed everything dead
Oh and System Restore is broken too
hometime!!!!
avg broke windows, i recall that
@Burgi :D
@Burgi Have a beer on me and enjoy being ignored. Take consolation in the fact that "ignore" comes from being "ignorant" :)
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=ignore

ignore (v.)
1610s, "not to know, to be ignorant of," from French ignorer "be unaware of" (14c.), or directly from Latin ignorare "not to know, be unacquainted; take no notice of, disregard" (see ignorant).
hello i am backing up my PC for first time so which folder should i backup where i will get my all downloads , and should we copy heavy folders like C:\Windows
17:05
back up ALL the things
What kind of restore options are you aiming for? To bare metal, or just personal stuff?
personal stuff
what you mean metal?
A "bare metal" restore is to a completely blank computer, requiring OS files
If you only back up personal things, you'll need to have a working OS to restore them to
actually my touchpad is to be replaced and they said me to back up files so what should i do?
Ah, so you're going to get it back like a brand new machine?
17:08
may be
You can make a copy of everything with Disk2vhd. Store the resulting VHD/VHDX file somewhere and all your stuff will be safe
If you don't need to back up the OS, just copy all your personal stuff onto the backup drive
does a migration tool exist for win 10?
Unfortunately, they discontinued that in Windows 8 :/
Is OS 94gb
The amount of space occupied on your OS volume depends on how much stuff you have
17:14
I see. Because C:\Windows is 94gb!
(this)[howtogeek.com/howto/30173/… website says it is not worth copying C:\Windows
Router is up and running.
@ramsay only you know where you've saved your files
Right next to the router on 5 GHz:
Netgear aces the performance testing.
On 2.4 GHz, right next to the router again:
17:26
-.-
@Mokubai hmm?
You kids and your fancy schmancy fast interwebs
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@ramsay I wwould remove the HDD (or SSD) before handing in the laptop. And that might even be recommended by the repair people (I know Lenovo did recommend shipping without HDD and without battery).
@Mokubai Back in my day we were happy to feed to pigeons just to get more bandwidth
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wow ok
so one of our guys looking to hire some 10gbps from ovh
this'll be interesting
@Hennes pigeons?!?! Luxury! Back in my day we had to rely on semaphore and woe betide you if your arms got tired....
17:37
my internet speed is worse than worst!!!!
10Gbit/sec networking, NICs and switches between local OVH hosts?
Or 10Gbit/sec to the world?
@ramsay depends what you class as "worst"... You ever used a 56k modem?
Hmm, personally: nope.
I did use 28k8 though.
I have.
From my bedroom, located above the router, on 5 GHz:
That's beamforming in action.
ScreeeweeeewaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAWEEEEEwaaaaaaaaaaa...
Please dear Dog don't let anyone phone me while I'm downloading this single 120kb file
17:42
Why, they just get a busy line tone.
@Hennes Call waiting tended to beep your phone line and disrupt modem.
Unless you activated that beep which indicates you have another incoming call and that you can switch to that. What is that called in English, call-waiting ?
Ah, over here (NL) that was an optional feature.
I don't think I had a choice about disabling it
Otherwise I would have
At the other end of the house:
Wow. Just wow.
17:44
#43#			Deactiveer wisselgesprek
Hmmm. Maybe I should ban from the room anyone with an internet connection faster than 10mbps....
We could disable it
So dail to #43# delay real number to dial
It'd get a bit lonely with just me in here though :'(
Absolutely incredible how effective beamforming is.
My upload/download are on 10Mb/sec.
Cheapest I could get with Fibre.
17:47
I never imagined Wi-Fi could be this fast, even through walls!
@bwDraco What is your ISP?
Well, it takes a fast Internet service and a good router to take full advantage of what 802.11ac offers...
@PaulVargas Time Warner Cable/Spectrum (owned by Charter Communications)
@Hennes that'd count I'm afraid... 10down + 10up =20...
Router is located near the front of the house on the second floor of a three-story Colonial-style building.
@Mokubai Never mind, I will still be here :)
17:50
@DavidPostill Yay! :) Someone with the same internet!
@DavidPostill Where are you?
Oh wow. Speedtest website works. First time in years
We're probably sharing a length of copper between us, they can only afford the one piece these days
@PaulVargas UK, Liverpool, Mobile tethering :)
17:52
That is supposed to be 10Mbit down and 10Mbit up.
@DavidPostill Mobile? 3G o 4GLTE?
@PaulVargas Mobile H+
And when I was living in NL
If I could get an unlimited 4G plan I'd ditch the crap copper street cabling, can get 30meg on the phone...
:/ indeed. We pay a premium for slow internet and it's apparently our fault that the rest of the world has it cheaper and faster....
17:56
At the far end of the property in the backyard.
Wow, GPRS (achieved speeds: 2KB/sec to 3KB/sec) has 26.8Kbit/sec signaling?
I remember download SP2 over GPRS. Took most of a weekend. Nicely sustained 2.5KB/sec
19:00
boooooooooored
The router came with a Cat 5E F/UTP cable.
19:20
I'm going to do a 30/30/30 reset on the old router and have it recycled. Good riddance.
19:35
Not too shabby I suppose
20:01
Has anyone heard of a Windows folder Basically being stored on the main drive as (for me) C:\a
It looks sketchy
@DavidCole-GrammarPolice No. What's in the folder?
That look like a virus install point ...
I would nuke it ...
20:06
Scanning with malwarebytes now, it might be a leftover, but still, yeah, I'll probably end up nuking it.
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Q: How can I remove malicious spyware, malware, adware, viruses, trojans or rootkits from my PC?

GnoupiWhat should I do if my Windows computer seems to be infected with a virus or malware? What are the symptoms of an infection? What should I do after noticing an infection? What can I do to get rid of it? This question comes up frequently, and the suggested solutions are usually the same. Th...

Strange...
I scanned earlier and removed all viruses, then after a reboot malwarebytes is finding more O_O
Not strange. The virus is hiding and reinstalling itself on boot
Nah, I've got realtime protection. If anything tries to install, I mean ANYTHING, I get notified
@DavidCole-GrammarPolice Clearly you have never heard of zero day infections
20:16
Considering I installed this morning, I highly doubt I contracted that heavy of a virus
<shrug>
I'll setup a boot-log and see what exactly is happening
20:54
Well whaddya know. Using a server that's basically four times more powerful makes remote desktop feel a lot more responsive, despite having double the latency.
21:04
Also, is it just me, or is the Microsoft Product Activation Line Voice Lady sounding noticeably older these days
21:58
@qasdfdsaq could just be a faster VM hypervisor
@allquicatic Maybe... I did upgrade from Xenserver 6 to Xenserver 7
But "way faster responsiveness" wasn't in the changelog :-P
did you change CPU generation?
so we came 2nd to last in the pub quiz
or first of the winners
@allquicatic Funny enough, no. Just got a 4x more powerful CPU of the same generation
Lol, Windows 10 is 78% installed on this W7 VM, and W7 still hasn't finished checking for updates the first time
(And that's with the latest update rollup already installed)
22:41
> 9 Power_On_Hours_and_Msec -O--CK 000 000 000 - 927825h+14m+56.390s
Lol apparently the SSD on my server has been on for 105 years
And the server was only rebooted twice in 105 years.
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@qasdfdsaq That's a long-lived SSD
@Bob Yup! Only 105 TB's written in that time too
> Lifetime Endurance - 36 TBW Minimum (5 Years, 20GB written per day)
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@qasdfdsaq 1 TB/year isn't bad!
Err what
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@qasdfdsaq Uhm. So... it's past its rated lifetime? Assuming the TBW figure is correct...
22:48
It's at 105 TBW on the NAND (300TBW host) and the media wearout indicator is at 94%
Bob
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Well, probably not, considering the power on hours :\
Don't mess with my example case scenario mate — Tiago Marinho yesterday
The power on hours sound more like power on minutes
(644 days, which is close to 577 days recorded on the oldest of the two HDDs)
The other SSD says 70TB written
Wearout indicator still at 97%
Bob
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o.O
@qasdfdsaq wait which way does the MWI go?
@Bob 100 => 0
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ah
22:52
And even then that's manufacturer defined arbitrary thresholds
Techreport's test found an Intel SSD 335 lasting 700 TBW
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@qasdfdsaq but it's also probably what they'll use to refuse warranty :P
@Bob Hetzner's problem, not mine
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@qasdfdsaq didn't they have trouble with powered-off retention by then?
Dunno... but that was TLC
And the 520 is MLC
SMART readings seem to suggest in the region of 5000 P/E cycles (manufacturer rating)
180 TiB written to a 60GB drive, wearout indicator down to about 30%
5000 P/E cycles on this 240GB drive would equate to 1.2 petabytes written
So the spec sheet says endurance = 36 TB 'minimum', the firmware claims 1200 TB 'expected'
That's quite some discrepancy...
Either way, NAND wearout isn't going to be a thing I don't think. On the other hand it's Sandforce. I hate Sandforce.
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23:08
lol
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23:20
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Q: Previous company name is ISIS, how to list on CV?

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I am easily amused.
> 62. Anything labeled "This end toward enemy" is dangerous at both ends.[23]
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Makes sense. Wait, what? — enderland 11 hours ago
Urgh, this is turning out ot be the longest crusade ever to activate Windows... 4 hours and still going
@qasdfdsaq oO
@qasdfdsaq I'm amused how many of those are relevant here
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@JourneymanGeek Yup
It's probably going to take me 15 minutes to type out the saga of trying to activate Windows 10, if I ever manage to succeed...
Sneak preview: Step 27: The Microsoft technicians required to fix the activation problem are uncontactable due to their phone system being faulty.
Hmm, I need 33 more rep
So then it'll display as '5678'
Side note: Upgrading a fresh install of Windows 7 to Windows 10 takes 10x longer than clean installing Windows 10
23:40
Somehow managed to register my router with myNETGEAR twice. Had to contact NETGEAR support, got an email response within a few hours saying they'll remove the duplicate registration within one to two days.
I'm used to seeing much slower responses from email/online support requests. This experience reflects positively upon their support team.
Actually, it took just one hour to get a human response from the support team. Very impressive.
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@qasdfdsaq SSD?
@Bob Two in RAID
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ah
would've expected an SSD to be a bit faster than that
My upgrades were pretty painless once I started using installer USBs
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