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The moment I push the router to run at high speeds, the wireless radio ceases to work reliably.
These old Intel SSDs are pretty fast
Speeds still OK on 5 GHz. The 2.4 GHz radio is broken.
Ooh new Xenserver has new Centos that has new Bash that has built-in support for putty-256color terminal ident
Yay my colourful prompt is back!
Booh, greenshot's upload to imgur function is broken
And the bold ANSI codes actually makes the font bold instead of just a brighter narrow font
00:19
blah
bleh
I really need to find the time/energy to create/test backups so I can start planning my server rebuild with config management
Backups... oh yeah.... those things >_>
oh, I have an invite to a beta of a backup application that should do most of what I expect
00:20
Goddammit. I hope this Linksys E2500 lasts long enough to keep things running until I get that Nighthawk.
and with how wierdly it handles additional IPs...
00:56
Ewww thermal throttling :-(
01:31
Man, I wish there was some good automated script to do an automated zfs snapshot, then attempt an apt update && apt full-upgrade, then roll back if it encounters any errors
Erf, that's both easier and harder than it sounds
 
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02:36
sigh
Broadcom WIDCOMM is so shoddy that they can't even sign their Win10 64-bit drivers with a WHQL trusted publisher
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03:00
@allquicatic No one ever accused Broadcom of having good drivers :P
3
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03:11
@qasdfdsaq Sooooo... I'm still waiting for a reply to the support ticket -_-
Now that's a surprise. I always thought this was a PS3 exclusive.
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what is it?
can't exactly open that link right now
FFX/X-2 HD Remaster
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oh
 
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04:30
I suspect that cockroaches are bad at getting rid to toxins and would concentrate them in their body to the point that they would be dangerous to eat in quantity. However, after about 2 minutes of research I realized that I have better things to do than read papers about cockroaches, such as stare at the wall, or twiddle my thumbs, or anything that does not make me want to vomit. — kingledion 10 hours ago
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Get that picture off my browser window! — kingledion 10 hours ago
@kingledion What bugs you about it? — Frostfyre 9 hours ago
bleh
scripted out activating office on our work systems semi automatically
would be nice if I could just throw the key in
since its in the same place these files would be stored anyway
but noooooo, someone with no idea of what I'm actually doing shoulder surfed and said I can't copy out the key
04:57
well you can always take to heart that if the company didnt have a stupid way of doing it, they probably wouldnt need to pay you to do it :-)
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06:04
@allquicatic Yes?
It was pretty popular over at PPCG :P
But they've moved on to inventing other golfing languages
I like it..
tempted to learn to code in it for significant work
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@allquicatic lol
@allquicatic you could probably embed it in VBScript and pretend it's a registry value
I had no idea "broccoli" was considered more politically correct than "burrito." — fluffy 2 days ago
@Bob hahaha
06:21
Hm. Fun
I needed to downgrade some software to work around a bug. There's a completely broken batch file for install I needed to reverse engibeer
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06:50
> When FW update processing, please don't touch the screen.
O_O
Yawn, morning
@Bob ewww
07:12
and, its broken
07:51
morning
08:30
Morning
 
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10:17
Woof
10:40
Meaow
@Bob Lol
@Bob Actually....
... no you're right
I did once accuse them of having less shit drivers a year on than the year previously
@Bob Is this for the beta/pre-order server?
How do you read this shipping table?
What are % for? Chance of success?
;)
@Boris_yo Seems like it
Anyone tried "9H+ Premium Real Tempered Glass Screen Protector Protection Guard Film"?
11:09
@Boris_yo Chance of it arriving within said timeframe
welp, my minion managed to break his git repo
e.g. US: 6.1% arrive in between 5 and 7 working days, 51.2% take 8-11 days, etc.
tbh the numbers are probably made up
"Despite my initial displeasure at having StackOverflow posts flagged as off-topic or conversational, I now appreciate the genius behind the decision. While conversational posts are a great way to support the first person to ask a question, they are a very poor way to support the next thousand that Google the same problem. Not even the ability to move a helpful answer to the top of the post seems to make forums as instantly useful as a StackOverflow post.

I think it is time to accept that, for developer related issues, the QA format so zealously promoted by StackOverflow has won, providing
It's nice to see someone supporting Stack Overflow instead of moaning about it.
Alrighty then you 4-year-old $2000 beast, lets see what you can do...
11:13
there was a guy a couple of months ago that came in here asking about different QA formats, i wonder if this is the same guy
(Talking about my new virtual server, obviously)
Urgh why can't MIcrosoft just give people a damn link to download an ISO instead of using some silly bloated Windows-only .exe
@Bob Yeah, now all PPCG answers literally look like ₹'g>>r3
> You’ve been routed to this page because the operating system you’re using won’t support the Windows 10 media creation tool and we want to make sure you can download Windows 10. To use the media creation tool, visit the Microsoft Software Download Windows 10 page from a Windows 7, Windows 8.1 or Windows 10 device.
Oh interesting, except the only way to get to that page is using an undocumented link on a third-party blog?
> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
2016-10-18 12:18:44 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
Useful
Dammit why's it so hard to find a website that's actually hosted in Singapore
11:36
@Boris_yo That bending test is a joke :P
First of all, they're hardly bending it. Second of all, I'd love to see if they can still apply it to a device after it was bent
Damn recruiters. Liverpool St (in London) is not in Liverpool. Why are you wasting my time?
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@qasdfdsaq yea, they approved validation about an hour ago
@Bob Cool. Though to be fair if the ETA was the end of the month, not much rush...
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@qasdfdsaq limited quantity
IIRC 750
@Bob Oh do you sign up before validation or after?
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11:40
Back to the old question: 480 GB or 2 TB :P
Urgh hetzner's networking is... awkward
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@qasdfdsaq Sign up first, but it won't let me pre-order without validation
quick question
@Bob Ah
Well I could have pre-ordered and transferred it over to ya :-P
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@qasdfdsaq wait, you can transfer? o.O
11:42
I... think so?
You definitely can with Hetzner
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ah well... ordering now anyway
I'm sure you can with OVH, I remember seeing it
I assumed transferring owrnership of hosted servers is a basic features of hosting... :-/ As basic as billing contacts
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@JourneymanGeek bl tonight?
Oh wait, yeah, OVH lets you assign anyone else's nic-handle as bililng contact without even transferring it
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@qasdfdsaq most budget providers don't do that :\
no idea about OVH
11:43
ask on #ovh on freenode tbh
the staffers hang out there
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there, order complete
hm... crap, forgot to check if they do flash drives in au
@Bob Hetzner do, so do Online. OVH seems to be the more professional of the lot...
At least with their "Enterprise" ranges
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my gender is listed as /
Though Online has an IBM Power8 server now :-o
@Bob Finally!
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though the only options are Female or Male :P
11:45
Gender discrimination comes to and end when the "Gender" field is blank.
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> Server: DISCOVER-32- 32G E3-1245v5 SoftRaid 2x2 TB Server
Datacenter: Asia-Pacific Datacenter, Sydney (SYD)

The estimated delivery window of your Dedicated Server is: 30th October 2016. We will keep you informed if there are any updates regarding delivery.
Or "Doesn't matter"
Skylake, dangit
Nice
/me still waiting patiently for Skylake-E (for home) and Skylake-EP (for server)
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RAM's a bit lower than I'd like
but, hey, no setup fees... I can always cancel after a month
i'm developing a query to run in MSSQL. I know the "correct" method would be to make a stored proceedure and just call that from my code however stored procedures aren't source controlled and they are "yet another place to manage code". is it OK to just keep the query in my code where it can be seen by future me/maintainers and wouldn't be a surprise to hunt down and try to figure out?
how much that costing o_O
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11:46
though apparently it's a perpetual 40% pre-order bonus
@djsmiley2k 89 EUR
i wish I had that kinda cash floating about :D
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@qasdfdsaq Interesting that it's listed as DISCOVER, not ENTERPRISE :P
Amazon: "Hey Bob, I saw you bought two multiport USB chargers. We thought you might be interested in more!"
@Bob Well it's from the Discover pages :-P
@Bob Erf. My current box has 16GB, so...
... thats why I've been so desperate to nag a 64GB box from Hetzner
@djsmiley2k Mine costs 88 EUR! +10 EUR for IPs
@Bob I've been getting adverts for suitcases and holdalls recently
Granted I've looked at a lot online and haven't actually bought any (online), so they're sorta-relevant. Except I bought two offline, and the internet doesn't know that.
But I still want more, cause bag shopping is so addictive
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@qasdfdsaq Mine's 64 from OVH :P
Oh, and they don't seem to advertise IPv6 in AU :S
11:56
So Hetzner requires you to have your own router to use additional subnets, or pay 5 euro per month each for failover IPs
@Bob Yours probably costs more x-P
<-- poor homeless unemployed street cat, remember?
Yay, VM on new box boots in 9 seconds instead of 180 :D
Is it weird I don't want to talk to an otherwise attractive girl cause I don't like the smell of her shampoo?
@qasdfdsaq Yes
And you shouldn't go around sniffing on other people's shampoo bottles either
12:13
@OliverSalzburg I didn't.
I can smell it when she sits down next to me
And to be fair if they steal my shampoo it's totally OK for me to steal theirs. I think
do cats use shampoo?
Cat Spit: Give your fur a shiny look!
What a weird question. Of course they do.
i have a weird and horrifying image in my head of you licking their hair clean while they sleep
12:29
@Burgi Eww totes NSFW
> Penny Arcade memorably featured the omission in a March 2003 comic that concluded "Remember, it's only a crime to fuck kids if you're not a multinational corporation."
12:44
what... the... fuck...
i've just been promoted to head of IT as well as lead dev
the so-called "IT director" is being shipped off
Congratulations I guess?
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Oct 6 at 10:18, by Bob
did your boss get fired and you promoted again?
lol
foreshadowing @bob
I guess complaining about your boss' incompetence does sometimes work
i'm as surprised as anyone
12:55
Hrmph, come to think of it Hetzner's networking isn't weird it's as standard and regular as classic routing can be. I guess it's everyone other provider's routing that's weird.
Hello there :)
@Burgi you mean like real cats or people who identify as cats?
@tereško i'll leave that to your imagination
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13:12
@qasdfdsaq Depends on the boss('s boss)? :P
@Bob Maybe that's the key...
My boss' boss decided to fire me instead of my incompetent boss when I tried it :-(
@Bob: I just realised what I was about ot say probably wasn't relevant
GeForce GTX 1050 Ti: 768 CUDA cores in 6 SMs on on *Pascal* GP107 @ 1290-1392 MHz; 4 GB GDDR5 @ 7 Gbps on 128-bit bus.
GeForce GTX 1050: 640 CUDA cores in 5 of 6 SMs on *Pascal* GP107 @ 1354-1455 MHz; 2 GB GDDR5 @ 7 Gbps on 128-bit bus.
13:34
@Bob, so it turns out OVH's routing to SE asia and Australia is the worst for latency :-/
Also Singapore's routing is pretty fucked up
Out of 8 (not) randomly chosen destinations Hetzner is lowest for 6 of them, Online.net lowest for 1, and OVH lowest for 0. 1 of them didn't respond at all.
But in most cases all 3 providers were within +/- 15% of each other, except Singapore where pings varied from 160ms on online to 250ms on hetzner and 320ms on OVH
I wonder how OVH's own datacentres will fare in comparison with external destinations
@CentrixDE Hi
wow
we have a basement full of the last generation imacs
just collecting dust
also our UPS is not plugged in
14:00
@Rahul2001 lol
@Burgi I don't think it works when it's not plugged in
I got stared after like 3 months...
Quick, unstar him before it's too late!
> It is too late to undo this operation
@bwDraco You tried to unstar me? SHAME ON YOU!
14:42
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A: How to create a company culture that cares about information security?

Rahul2001Okay, you should only try this if NOTHING ELSE WORKS. You have been warned. Here's the thing, humans often won't realize the importance of something until they lose it, the same way that people don't start taking backups of data until they first lose something important to hardware failure. Show...

Any feedback?
@Rahul2001 Yes, that is bad advise and a great way to get fired
@OliverSalzburg But it might just work if you do it with the help of your bosses
And I think I've included enough warnings?
@Rahul2001 I would assume that, if you have a boss that is okay with something like that, then you don't have a problem with itsec
@Burgi Did you get a nice pay rise? Congrats!
@Rahul2001 Yes, and the amount of warning you had to add should give you a clear indication that it's bad advise
14:51
@OliverSalzburg Eh, it's meant to be a last resort
12 hours ago, by bwDraco
http://store.steampowered.com/app/359870/
(I have the original PS2 games)
@DavidPostill no :(
@Burgi That sucks. Extra responsibilities for no extra moolah :/
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@qasdfdsaq really? o.O
I found it better than Hetzner last I tried
@qasdfdsaq Though I was talking about from au. If you can give me a couple test IPs I can give you the pings :P
@qasdfdsaq Yea, @JourneymanGeek can attest to that...
Oh, I'm talking OVH's RBX DC. Dunno about the others.
15:09
@DavidPostill yet
@Bob I have a script that it'd be nice if you could run once you get your AU box
@Bob ah I thought you were in CA like quicatic
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@qasdfdsaq Wait crab I think I mixed it up. BHS, not RBX.
I was testing from OVH's Gravelines DC since that's where their cloud services run from (Span up an hourly VM). I wonder if Strasbourg is better, but RBX is unavailable on cloud
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Canada, yea.
@qasdfdsaq I meant pinging from my home (AU) connection :P
I did some brief tests when I was looking at servers. Think OVH or Online won, with Hetzner far behind.
@Bob When I joined OVH they didn't have any of these fancy CA or AU or US or GRA DCs, hence I still sorta think of them as a French provider
When I first joined OVH the only DC they had was RBX
@Bob Yeah I know, but it'd be curious to see what their routing/performance is from their own DCs
15:16
OVH's?
we do stupid amounts of traffic personally, and they love it.
(we being archiveteam)
Since OVH FR => Leaseweb SG or Telstra AU is shitty, I wonder if OVH FR => OVH AU or OVH SG would be any better
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@qasdfdsaq Ah, yea. I can run that script.
Remind me next month.
Heh, will do
I suppose if you want something to ping from home you could try vs2.qasdfdsaq.com (online.net) or vs3.qasdfdsaq.com (hetzner)
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@qasdfdsaq 300 and 330
Erf.
I guess over those kinda distances are the sort of distances that different forward and reverse routes make a big difference
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15:19
@qasdfdsaq My Canadian OVH server is also 300
My Wholesale Internet server (Kansas City?) is 200. Which is great.
Except they're a shit provider.
167.114.255.108 => OVH Strasbourg (France East)
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@qasdfdsaq 345
What I really need is a server on the US west coast, but no good providers there :\
BHS is basically east coast
Inside AU would also work, but obviously worst connectivity for the rest of the world
Ideally, I'd want a server sitting pretty much on one of the US nodes of a major undersea cable. PPC-1, perhaps
149.202.185.175 => OVH Gravelines if you still feel like pinging
@Bob Lol, don't we all >_>
What do you get for syd1.speedtest.telstra.net by the way?
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@qasdfdsaq 15ms
which is actually amazingly low
Eh, that seems decent
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15:23
it's the same I get for 8.8.8.8
limited by ADSL, basically
I've seen 5ms or even lower on fast uni networks
By the looks of things there's two different paths to SG, one that takes 80ms and one that takes 160ms
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@qasdfdsaq Yea, SG really is a mess w/ international routing. Just ask @JourneymanGeek :P
Provider one goes there and back via path 1 = 160ms
Provider two goes there by path 1 and back via path 2 = 240ms
Provider three goes there and back by path 2 = 320ms
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He keeps having issues with voice chat (mumble) on random days. Best guess is it takes a broken route.
Gross oversimplification, but yeah, huge differences between the different paths
And obviously from your ISP over to my box will probably use a different path than my box to Telstra
(Something many people don't know is IP routing over the internet is totally asymmetric)
15:25
@Bob We ought to pathping between days it works and dosen't work ;)
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@qasdfdsaq Provider one when neptune and pluto align and the moon is in the fourth quarter decides to take path 534 with >50% packet loss
@qasdfdsaq my last job involved massive UK/SG file transfers
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@JourneymanGeek Didn't it go through the US one day?
I used to run a sort of pathping/connection/route/latency monitoring service
yup
pretty often
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15:26
SG <=> US <=> AU
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@JourneymanGeek See, that one makes more sense.
Cause SEA-ME-WE absolutely sucks
But the cost of getting a box with a constistently low latency and low jitter connection was too high for me at the time
@Bob Mine seems to go UK => Middle Eats => India => SG
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@qasdfdsaq SEA-ME-WE.
I really wish it didn't take like 15 years for these shiny new fibre transmission technologies to go from research lab to production
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15:27
Also, speed-of-light RTT from Sydney to LA is some 100ms -_-
@qasdfdsaq totally SE ME WE
> Antarctica is the only continent yet to be reached by a submarine telecommunications cable. All phone, video, and e-mail traffic must be relayed to the rest of the world via satellite links that have limited availability and capacity. Bases on the continent itself are able to communicate with one another via radio, but this is only a local network. To be a viable alternative, a fiber-optic cable would have to be able to withstand temperatures of −80˚ C as well as massive strain from ice flowing up to 10 meters per year.
@JourneymanGeek Looks like it
Also SE-ME-WE's landing point is in Marseille which could explain why OVH Strasbourg is marginally faster than from Gravelines
Are there spreadsheets that allow me to add constraints like "those series must add up to 100 and if they do not, fix the latest unmodified cell value"
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@qasdfdsaq unless they invent FTL or disprove relativity theory, that won't even help me much -_-
my minion has just posted his first Stack Overflow question
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15:30
150ms is probably the absolute lowest I'd ever practically see (syd <=> la)
@Bob Sure it will
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@qasdfdsaq well, for throughput. not so much for latency.
@Bob Probably, but that's much lower than you get atm, no?
Also kinda hate how all the cables from London to Asia rather than crossing over France, mostly take a several thousand mile circuitous detour all the way around the Iberian peninsula then cross the mediterannean again
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@qasdfdsaq well, no, i can get 175ms to LA
my ovh server at 300ms is east coast
@Bob Huh.
That's... fast
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15:34
and kansas city at 200ms is more central US
problem is, it's hard to find a decent (read: cheap) server on the west coast
The London <=> US west coast links are some of the fastest in the world but still operate at like, 50-100% longer than the speed of light would dictate
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@qasdfdsaq yea. that was with ookla
Basically it used to be 80ms from London to New York, which was later cut down to about 60ms. Newest "ultra low latency" cable landing in New Jersey still has 56ms latency
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@qasdfdsaq direct speed of light in vacuum would get me some 80ms (RTT; 40ms onw way), but then we're going through glass, and it's bouncing, and repeaters...
add a bit for routing on either end...
Speed of light would be 37ms. Though speed of light in fibre is just over 50ms, so they're pretty damn close
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15:36
@qasdfdsaq see, that's low enough to play an FPS if you want
I've tried gaming at 200+ms on us servers... generally doesn't turn out well
at least not for the FPSes that require faster reactions (PvP)
PvE tends to go a bit better
No wait, Hibernia Express is 59ms from London to NY, that's the newest, fastest, ultra low latency line
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o.O
Speed of light is still 37ms (great circle), assuming 0.67x in fibre would be 55ms
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@qasdfdsaq I wonder how fast satellite can get
I mean, how low the latency can get
physics.se says it's 2.13km/sec in fibre
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15:38
assuming dedicated satellite and low bandwidth requirements
@qasdfdsaq wouldn't that depend on fibre characteristics?
wait, per msec? per usec?
ERf, 2.13x10^8
So about 52ms at light speed great circle (which passes over Canada) so I guess that 59ms is the lowest we'll ever get
Unless someone builds a new cable fully following the great circle route over land in canada too
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@qasdfdsaq is that m or km?
And Ireland for that matter
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assuming that's in m/s...
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A: How fast does light travel through a fibre optic cable?

Kyle KanosWe can make a 1st-order approximation by assuming the following: $L=3$ m is the length of the fibre optic cable $d=3\cdot10^{-6}$ m is the diameter of the cable the cable is perfectly straight $\theta=0.785$ rad (~45$^\circ$) is the angle of reflection inside the cable photons are classical bal...

> vγ,fo=2.13⋅108vγ,fo=2.13⋅108 m/s,
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15:41
Syd to LA would be 56ms one-way, 112 RTT, via fibre.
:sadface:
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Since my ISP seems to add 20ms on the local end, and I'd expect similar on the other end, 150ms isn't far off from the lowest I might see. Except no fibre actually lands in LA, and certainly not direct - IIRC they go via Guam and Hawaii.
Hmm, the "good" path to Singapore is already quite fast, but most of the other ones are shitty
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175ms is already pretty low overhead
@Bob 20ms at the other end only if it's connected to some ancient home broadband technology
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15:43
@qasdfdsaq heh, Singapore has lots of network redundancy, but most of those links are ... iffy :P
Enterprise networking equipment is hella fast
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@qasdfdsaq point
We're talking 0.3ms to do ten hops across a big city
Heck, Scotland to London is about 11ms.
So it seems "typical" paths to Asia are 250ms RTT, whereas if I get the super-fast path to Singapore it's 160ms RTT
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oh wait PPC-1 doesn't even end in the continental US. It just ends in Guam.
Southern Cross Cable actually goes to the US (via Hawaii)
Speed of light in a straight line over land in fibre would take 110ms or so, so that 160 isn't too bad. But compared to the "typical" 250ms, there's huge room for improvement
Apparently someone built a trans-mongolia link that cuts 20ms off London => Hong Kong transit time
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15:46
Huh, one of the landing points is only some 325 km from LA
that's much closer than I thought
@qasdfdsaq just wait till someone digs it up looking for copper
@Bob lol
> Financial traders and law firms are set to benefit from a new low-latency network between London and Hong Kong, which can conduct data on a round trip from Europe to Asia in around 176 milliseconds.

The cable network, run by UK-based trading technology company BSO Network Solutions, has been in place for some time, but previously had to route around large parts of Russia, due to difficulties laying fibre in that country.

However, a new lower latency and higher availability ‘Transit Mongolia’ connection has helped to reduce the time of a round trip by more than 20 milliseconds during the
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That's not straight line (or great circle, rather) :\
You are all forgetting to account for the delays as the traffic is routed thorough the TLA data collection centres :)
and the time taken up with sharks
> --- mirror.sin11.sg.leaseweb.net ping statistics ---
50 packets transmitted, 50 received, 0% packet loss, time 10210ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 162.837/162.933/163.228/0.359 ms

--- mirror.hkg10.hk.leaseweb.net ping statistics ---
50 packets transmitted, 49 received, 2% packet loss, time 10241ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 251.587/251.811/252.542/0.361 ms, pipe 2
@Bob Eh, close enough, it's only getting like <10% more distance
I could have sworn Hong Kong was closer than Singapore
TBH I was expecting SG to be consistently the best in SE Asia considering it's the most modern and developed "country" and is also pretty much the tech and fibre hub
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15:49
@qasdfdsaq 12%, rather :P
assuming Oregon destination (8)
@Bob Erf
I wonder what'd happen if someone built a submarine waveguide
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but, yea, doesn't matter that much in the greater scheme...
Wait pretend I never said that, that's my plan to get super rich
Actually now that you mention it, LEO satellites might actually be able to do a decent job
A satellite in orbit at the altitude of the ISS would only add 1% additional distance to the great-circle path between London and NY
Which would give you 37.5ms RTT from London to NYC
Financial traders would pay millions for that...
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lol
they probably already do!
brb looking up price of spacex launches
@Bob Well one white paper I saw a while ago cited HFT's saying 1ms less latency is worth $5m a year to them
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15:55
@qasdfdsaq I wonder if a cubesat could work
@Bob Probably. You could do it with LTE
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probably not enough power for any significant bandwidth though
@qasdfdsaq 100+km?
@Bob Easily. Would require a few configuration tweaks mind you
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ah
TBH, I don't know how much attenuation you'd get going up through the entire atmosphere, but going horizontally on the earth's surface >1000km is easily achievable
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15:57
> Through companies like Eurokot and Kosmotras, the launch costs are currently about US$40,000 per single cube.
@Bob I could afford that.
But at 400km you'd need a lot of cubes to maintain constant coverage
You can receive GSM signals from Germany in Scotland at about -95dBm, or around "two bars".
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> For US$8K, IOS provides the TubeSat Personal Satellite (PS) Kit, complete with launch to low Earth orbit (LEO).
@qasdfdsaq O_O
And the closest point in Germany is like 800km away
You can also receive LTE signals from Ireland while flying over the North Sea, barely past Amsterdam
@Bob It's not really that surprising. Air basically has zero attenuation for radio signals
Hence it almost precisely follows just the plain inverse square law
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@qasdfdsaq interference?
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