Root Access

Ben N

15:01

If you have enough money to let you wait a while before getting an actual job, you could do some pro bono work just for fun

Rahul2001

If 't be true thee don't has't wage, thee wilt starve.

Ben N

e.g. open-source, or volunteer at some physical place

Bob

well then.

Ben N

Heh. Procexp to identify the program?

Rahul2001

@BenN if 't be true thou has't enough wage to alloweth thee wait a while ere getting an actual job, thee could doth some pro bono worketh just for excit'ment

Ben N

15:03

I remember seeing that dialog in one of my own programs but I forget what it means

Rahul2001

I'm Shakespearean!

Bob

@BenN it's geforce experience... the updater crashed

Ben N

@Rahul2001 So I see

Bob

conveniently, just after uninstalling the old one

kerbalspacecat

@Bob lol

NVidia drivers haven't been able to install on my desktop for 5 months

"The installer failed" is a very helpful and specific error message -_-

Rahul2001

15:04

Iif 't be true thee art sick with all of Google's antics, thee should useth DuckDuckGo!

Bob

Ben N

Bizarrely, the Windows 10 upgrade on one machine decided to remove the NVidia drivers for a specific card, but reinstalling the Win7 (or maybe 8, I can't remember) driver in Win10 worked just fine

Bob

Hm. I was on 1.16.42. "Your software is up to date", my arse.

Journeyman Geek

if thou dost not talk like a person mundane, I shalt smite thee with words not profane...

Ben N

Oh man, that one actually rhymed

Journeyman Geek

15:05

@Bob did it for me too

Bob

I wonder if they've fixed all the audio bugs.

@JourneymanGeek what did what for who?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob gforece experience update

Bob

o.O

what, crap itself?

Rahul2001

@JourneymanGeek a pox on you!

Bob

did you manage to fix it?

Journeyman Geek

15:06

@Bob not yet

Bob

Downloading the installer fresh seems to have worked.

That, or forcibly killing Steam.

Journeyman Geek

that's exactly what I'm trying

Bob

wtf I don't want to log in with any account

Rahul2001

PHP is hath used by clotpoles who have no more brain than stone

kerbalspacecat

@Bob Oh yeah, the new GFE needs that for some features now

Bob

15:08

@kerbalspacecat s/some/all/

There's literally nothing but that window.

Rahul2001

Languages liketh Python or Ruby wast designed, PHP just hath happened.

kerbalspacecat

@Bob Ah yeah

GeForce Experience 3.0 leaves beta with mandatory sign-up intact

Crap

Bob

> Use at least 9 characters
Use a combination of at least 3 different types of characters: lowercase letters, uppercase letters, numbers, symbols, and other letters.

Oh go die in a fire nvidia

kerbalspacecat

"Sign in with Facebook"

As much as I loathe both companies, at least that button stops me having to create yet another account

Bob

@kerbalspacecat I refuse to link my accounts, these days.

Don't want to be tied to Google any more than I already am

...I really need to set up an alternative login for SE

kerbalspacecat

15:12

I should have refused, but now it's too late :-(

If I disable my Facebook account I lose access to Spotify, because it's impossible to un-associate a Spotify account -_-

Bob

Of course their goddamn email verification server seems to be laggy as all hell

why is there no option to skip this damn game scan

better yet, why is it a bloody modal window

I would like a word with whoever designed this thing

preferably involving fists and lots of shouting

@kerbalspacecat ...yea my spotify account is clean :P

I think the only linked accounts I still have, apart from maybe some mandatory site I've forgotten about, would be SE and Google...

kerbalspacecat

Thankfully I still don't need the thing or care about it

Bob

oh yes, nvidia, please scan my Adobe folders for games!

Rahul2001

I have an email just for creating accounts on different services: [email protected]

Journeyman Geek

I was tempted to use my fake facebook account

Bob

15:15

Oh wait it's scanning folders from a previous windows install

on another drive

... is it going to scan 12 TB of data?

... seriously, nvidia, you deserve the biggest fucking fires of hell.

3

Ben N

Wow, that is some shockingly poor design

Bob

Do you know the last program that did this to me?

The VB6 installer.

The. Visual. Basic. 6. Installer.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob DIAF?

Bob

Geforce Experience is now officially on par with Visual Basic 6 on my shit list.

kerbalspacecat

@Bob Why was the VB6 installer scanning your Adobe folder for games?

Ben N

15:17

It's been a long time since I used VB6, why does it need to scan the whole system?

Journeyman Geek

the new UI is worse than the old one

and the driver's UI is not one big ad. Its many big ads.

Bob

@BenN It scans for existing copies of Visual Source Safe, IIRC.

kerbalspacecat

@JourneymanGeek Some review sites seem to like it

Journeyman Geek

@Bob was well behaved for me in that respect. Only scanned what I had... I think.

Bob

Takes bloody forever if you have a couple big drives attached.

Journeyman Geek

15:17

@kerbalspacecat I suspect illicit substances ...

Bob

It's still going.

Ben N

I wonder what would happen if that drive's letter suddenly changed

Does reassigning drive letters invalidate handles? I can't remember

Bob

Nov 13 '12 at 0:42, by Bob

Journeyman Geek

see that TINY lighter grey bit? THat's all the stuff I care about

Bob

Nov 13 '12 at 0:27, by Tom Wijsman

Dec 29 '11 at 5:29, by Tom Wijsman

Funny how the Visual Basic 6 installer is installed to look through your entire disk contents for setup components... Those were the bad days. :D

@TomWijsman ^ :P

Gee, thanks, I really needed every copy I have from old Windows installs included there!

Journeyman Geek

15:22

lol

@Bob recheck your scan locations?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Yea, I removed the others. AFTER having to sit through that bullshit.

Ooh, send feedback button.

David Cole - Grammar Police

Heyo peeps

Bob

Wait. Where's my shadowplay.

...............................................................................

dammit, nvidia

did they seriously remove the one thing I use?!

Journeyman Geek

I think its still there... somewhere

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Yea, through some insane in-game menu. I bet they disabled windowed recording too.

David Cole - Grammar Police

15:26

Anyone know why mipmap would screw up my FPS on the homescreen in minecraft?

Bob

...does anyone here even play minecraft?

David Cole - Grammar Police

Me

:L

Bob

apart from you

David Cole - Grammar Police

<:(

Bob

oh, there was that guy the other day who thought they'd be able to run a minecraft server on something like a Pentium-era Xeon. That was... interesting.

David Cole - Grammar Police

15:27

Oh wow

Journeyman Geek

pcworld.com/article/3117775/software-games/…

that suggests its in the share menu

I shut down the gaming box soooooo

Bob

@JourneymanGeek yea, I figured that out a few seconds ago :P

of course the tiny share button opens that...

because that's definitely what share buttons are supposed to do

Ben N

@DavidCole-GrammarPolice Do you have mipmapping on or off?

Bob

breaking every single UX convention they can, aren't they?

Ben N

According to some forum post I just read, it shouldn't affect framerate, but I'm not a graphics programmer :/

David Cole - Grammar Police

15:30

While it's on I get like 0 fps even on the homescreen, but Minecraft looks awful without it @BenN

Ben N

Do you play fullscreen or windowed?

David Cole - Grammar Police

Windowed

Ben N

Try fullscreen

David Cole - Grammar Police

K brb

it might be AMD

overriding my settings

Bob

@BenN well, do you know what a mipmap is? :P

Hennes

15:32

The reserve of a pampim?

Bob

it just generates multiple sizes of textures for faster rendering and some anti-aliasing (better than nearest-neighbour)

David Cole - Grammar Police

Okay no

Bob

no idea why it would impact framerate

David Cole - Grammar Police

fullscreen + mipmap still lags to all hell

Bob

but then lots of things about minecraft are broken

David Cole - Grammar Police

15:33

Could it be AMD overriding settings that minecraft can't handle?

Ben N

I would be surprised if AMD overrode in-game settings

Updating your graphics drivers could conceivably change performance maybe?

Journeyman Geek

might be worth pointing out this may be in linux, and @DavidCole-GrammarPolice complained about it to the point where people got annoyed in the AU general room ;p

David Cole - Grammar Police

This is Windows.

So no.

Journeyman Geek

also. Low framerates in the load screen?

David Cole - Grammar Police

Yea! I don't get it!

Journeyman Geek

15:35

rest of the game is fine?

David Cole - Grammar Police

Nope

Journeyman Geek

so performance just sucks?

Ben N

Probably time for a better graphics card if everything is bad

Journeyman Geek

could it be your video card is just terrible?

David Cole - Grammar Police

GPU Clock is running @ 300... wth

Journeyman Geek

15:36

well or the machine...

David Cole - Grammar Police

This is a custom machine

Journeyman Geek

dosen't mean its not terrible

David Cole - Grammar Police

:(

Bob

we don't even know what gpu you have

so... safe assumption that it's terrible unless proven otherwise :P

David Cole - Grammar Police

Journeyman Geek

15:38

I don't do AMD, but that looks recent, and not too bad

Bob

in all seriousness, minecraft barely uses the gpu. at all.

it's a terribly optimised game

you're usually looking more at cpu perf

David Cole - Grammar Police

Ben N

Minecraft recently-ish started using multiple threads, so having more CPU threads would be good, but it should be playable at 2x3.2Ghz

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ...I feel I should point out that the R7 250 (no benchmark for X?) is approx. on par with Iris Pro...

in other words, as far as dGPUs go...

Journeyman Geek

>_>

Ben N

15:41

I don't know how much of a difference the CPU being a Pentium makes

Bob

It's comparable-ish to a GTX 850M apparently

Journeyman Geek

@BenN pentium can be low end regular cores, or high end atoms.. ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I thought only Celeron used Atom-cores?

Ben N

I should probably not talk about hardware very much because I know very little about it :p

Bob

G3258 is pretty good.

David Cole - Grammar Police

15:43

I am using 1.7.10 if that makes any dif.

Ben N

Does a newer version help at all? IIRC there were a lot of performance-related things going on in 1.8

Bob

Single-thread is approx. on par with Haswell i3.

Hennes

[G3258 ](ark.intel.com/products/82723/…) ?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob there's an atom core pentium I think. Or irs late and I'm clearly confused

hah

David Cole - Grammar Police

IDK But I'm using 1.7.10 because of supported mods :P

Journeyman Geek

15:44

@Bob ark.intel.com/products/82105/… bay trail pentium

Ben N

Mods can severely impact performance

Bob

@JourneymanGeek o.O

David Cole - Grammar Police

its 3 mods XD

Journeyman Geek

I wasn't chasing my tail.

Ben N

Depends on the mod :)

David Cole - Grammar Police

15:44

Tinkers, Iguana Tweaks, Witchery

Nothing intense

Ben N

If Optifine is available/compatible, does it help?

David Cole - Grammar Police

nope

Ben N

Is plain vanilla performance also terrible?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek you're off the desktop yea?

David Cole - Grammar Police

lets check

Bob

15:46

wanted to test and see if new CUE still has that volume bug :P

David Cole - Grammar Police

1.7.10 vanilla seems fine :/

fresh install time

Ben N

Remove mods one at a time and see when the perf problems hit

David Cole - Grammar Police

Imma fresh install

Ben N

My guess is the Iguana Tweaks, because I have no experience with it and the others IIRC are gameplay only

David Cole - Grammar Police

nahh

Ill check

but I dont think so

Journeyman Geek

15:48

@Bob yah, on the laptop

David Cole - Grammar Police

Wow

Journey

You thought I was bad

I just installed windows 10 on modern hardware where it hard no driver for the network. fucking unbelievable. The cursed piece of shit did not have the correct driver. And without network it did not reach anything on the netwoprk. Piece of shit. And network updated failed. Windows piece of shit. And I could not see youtube. Windows piece of shit. And I could not see any webpages. Windows piece of shit..... Any idea where I am going with this? Now look at your own install, think of the one step you missed and all the consequences. Then delete all the curse words. — Hennes 25 mins ago

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Hennes meh, duuuude, you should know better

Granted, I am torn between giving you a medal and a suspension...

David Cole - Grammar Police

XD

Rahul2001

Lol

Hennes

I can guess which comment....

Journeyman Geek

15:54

ya

;p

Hennes

Also. "I intednt o delete this in a few moments' made the original comment to long by 53 chars.

jokerdino

Quoted just above by David there ^

Journeyman Geek

This is a bit like a dog peeing on an a illegally parked bike.

Hennes

laughs

jokerdino

you would know all about it

Hennes

15:55

Sometimes I regret not being a dog

Journeyman Geek

Is it a good dog for leaving a reminder that that's a terrible place to park a bike, or a bad dog for peeing on a bike?

Hennes

It depends. Did the dog pee on the saddle or onto the bags?

jokerdino

You should not park where the dog pees.

Hennes

Oh, it is already deleted.

Journeyman Geek

alas, its a small dog, so at most pedals, tho its usually the wheels.

Hennes

15:56

I had the page open to return to later.

It does not update itself when it is merely open though (probably a good thing).

Journeyman Geek

@Hennes yeah. I was toying with a mod message but meh. Be nice.

Hennes

Meh, I will eventually read any @ message here. Might be a few hours if I am doing other stuff.

Journeyman Geek

lol, yup

David Cole - Grammar Police

16:07

@BenN Not iguana

Rahul2001

Man, making friends is fun 😉😉😉

David Cole - Grammar Police

16:23

It would seem it's TC, though I've never had this problem before :( @BenN

Rahul2001

16:36

Hm...

PHP sucks for making web apps, but it is pretty convenient for web templating...

Guitar Shoe Dave

17:01

agreed most people are teetering to RoR for web apps

These days*

Whats going on

Rahul2001

The thing about PHP is that it can be set up very easily on any system

Most Linux distros have it preinstalled

And so do shared servers

It is popular, which means it is probably the first thing a newbie will learn

Which means that they will pretty much begin with learning all sorts of bad practices...

Ben N

Especially if the version of PHP that's installed is old

Ubuntu Server's LAMP package has PHP 7, which is a modern version, but some popular PHP applications (e.g. phpBB 3) are broken on it

bwDraco

The PHP language is really badly designed. It just lacks any sense of coherency. The language features and functions are so unintuitive.

I've written PHP code. On the surface, it looks a lot like C/C++. But when you try to write anything serious with PHP, it stops making sense.

Yet folks still write web applications in this horribly designed language. What gives?

Ben N

17:19

People use what they know

bwDraco

At least C++ makes sense once you get used to it. PHP just doesn't.

Ben N

Some would argue that PHP users who don't know anything else think PHP makes sense

bwDraco

-1

Q: PHP !== is very confusing and doesn't make sense

So I'm new to PHP and compared to other languages I've used, some things in PHP just don't make any sense to me. My code currently $secret = $_POST['secret']; //HTML input to enter secret code to unlock easter egg $theSecret = "1234"; //Pre-defined test code enter code here if($secret !== $th...

Ben N

Wait, what's the type of the stuff you get out of $_POST?

It should be a string, right? And the literal "1234" is a string too?

Or is PHP doing the horrible thing where it automagically turns text-like strings into numbers?

2

arda

@BenN yes

Ben N

17:27

That's appalling

arda

@Bob we actually have a pile of nvidias that cause the fires here in hell actually

bwDraco

17:41

Voting to close as too broad because this depends very heavily on the game in question. However, I'm inclined to say "yes" on this because you're not playing games that use the more efficient DX12 or Vulkan APIs. The GTX 1060 is nearly as powerful as the GTX 980; chances are good that you will be limited by the processor at resolutions below 1440p in many games. — bwDraco 1 min ago

i3-3220: 2C/4T Ivy Bridge @ 3.3 GHz.

Guitar Shoe Dave

18:02

@bwDraco: Yo, check twitch.tv/tsurk

djsmiley2k

18:24

php makes it quite easy to debug stuff like that

so you just accept it's weird, and carry on

at least that's how i work

Guitar Shoe Dave

good point

djsmiley2k

ty

Burgi

i like php shrug

3

djsmiley2k

dump_vars($stuff), oh look it's converted into a number! duuur, i'm so silly!

2

arda

Anyone used chromeos before? On a non-chromebook device.

Burgi

18:26

a billion times better than the crap i'm having to support in .NET

djsmiley2k

I like php because it works for me

no other language managed that yet D:

yes, I also hate the way it'd do random stuff, but meh

to me, every language seems to do stuff I don't quite understand, so...

kerbalspacecat

@Bob or i5. or i7. Seeing as it's all the same core...

Rahul2001

18:54

@Burgi blog system almost complete

Only minor stuff and comment system left

Ramhound

good grief is it hot outside!

arda

104f here :/

Ramhound

94; with a heat index of 97

So hot, I would melt, if I went to the beach. Really wanted to cruise around today :-(

Burgi

19:37

@Rahul2001 did my stuff help?

Hennes

20:23

PHP has some expected clippy style stuff. Those of us who grew up with strong typed languages might be surprised by it.

truthy or falsy values however.... runs to a bucket to throw up

Ben N

It's alright if you can add a string to a number and get either a number or a string (as opposed to a crash), but magically turning a string value into a number when no operation other than an equality check has been performed on it is a little much IMO

It might be a personal taste/experience thing though

Hennes

Aye. I know people who like it.
Personally, I like to do that explicitly, or have the compiler throw an error (INSUFFICIENT COFFEE. STOP CODING!)

arda

20:38

php is just a terrible, terrible language. It starts making zero sense when you say "oh its not that bad, it makes sense in its own way".

Ramhound

Thank you. This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for not being a real Ramhound, acting like we will all die in fire if we are not completely sure about everything except for one variable. — Joe Hefley 9 mins ago

....

arda

An example: Can read that unicode file? Yes. Can print it well? Yes. Does the printed text give correct regex hits? Yes, but not on PHP. PHP doesn't care. If it's gonna regex it, it needs stuff to be read from a UTF8 file.

No errors either, it just silently fails.

Ramhound

"What would be the technical name of the adapter? Would I need multiple? " so I asked "What do you mean "what is the technical name of the adaptor", before I research and find an example for you, have you attempted to locate it yourself?" I then get treated like I committed a crime for wondering the reason he wanted the technical name for an adapter.

arda

@Ramhound calm down. Assume everyone is stupid but you, not to get your ego sky high, but to not care about what others do that much, and to understand their moves. :)

Ramhound

...

So I should be treated like dirt because people know less then I do? I don't accept that

arda

20:44

We are here to help people solve their issues (and for sweet, sweet rep). If they don't want help, there is nothing we can do on SE. Literally.

DavidPostill

@Ramhound Take a deep breath and let it go. I have flagged the comment. That was all you needed to do ...

arda

@DavidPostill and it just got auto-validated

Ramhound

Already did

DavidPostill

And for a good laugh:

And Ramhound, it's "adapter", not "adaptor." — Joe Hefley 18 mins ago

My response:

@JoeHefley Please don't complain about spelling mistakes. It makes you look a little foolish when you have your own.You had "Compatability" in your question title. I've fixed it for you. — DavidPostill 1 min ago

Ramhound

Variants of adapter
also adaptor

Webster Dictionary

forehead slap

I think I will just use accoutrement in the future.

DavidPostill

20:53

@Ramhound Yeah, but his was a real mistake :)

Ramhound

Which makes it funny

All computer uses should be forced to have a mechanical hand connected to the internet

so when they say something stupid other people can activated and slap them on the back of the head ;-)

Granted my head would be sore, but would be worth it, perhaps connected it to SE voting :$

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Q: PCI-Based Graphics Card has Slow FPS

I recently purchased a Lenovo TS140 ThinkServer. Despite its branding as a server I plan to use it as a desktop. As part of the setup, I want to use a GeForce 9500 GT graphics card. The card is PCI-based, and while it should be good for my purposes, I am unable to achieve a decent framerate with ...

windows-10 drivers video graphics-card performance

So I believe this is one of those users who will "tell me to shove off"

because I have asked for clarification and they didn't appreciate it

Do I still point out its a 16 year old card, and Windows 10 drives don't exist for it, or do I even bother?

DavidPostill

@Ramhound Go for it :)

Ramhound

lol

No; Staying away from that

Looked, impressed, Nvidia did release drivers for it

Was released in 2004, so its still 16 years old.

DavidPostill

@Ramhound No, only 8 years old according to Wackypedia

"On July 29, 2008 the GeForce 9500 GT was officially launched."

@Ramhound And your math is not quite right 2016 - 2004 = ? :)

Ramhound

Amazon stocked it in 2004

amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Express-Graphics-512-P3-N954-TR/dp/…

Date first available at Amazon.com
September 14, 2004

2016 - 2004 = 12

yes

How something was stocked 4 years before it was released confuses me

DavidPostill

21:11

graphics-cards.specout.com/l/24/Nvidia-GeForce-9500-GT "Release Date: July 2008"

@Ramhound I think Amazon is wrong :)

Ramhound

alright well its still nearly 10 years old. He expects a great deal out of 5-6 generation old GPU.

DavidPostill

@Ramhound That I don't disagree with :)

bwDraco

21:25

Firefox is an absolute battery hog.

Burgi

i have looked EVERYWHERE and i cannot find the last animal species on this planet

bwDraco

I just don't get it. Firefox is horrifically inefficient.

Burgi

i spent 2 hours in caves because someone told me that animals spawn there sometimes

bwDraco

On Windows, it actually does better than Chrome in battery life tests (although Microsoft Edge is generally the best for battery life on laptops).

Burgi

the tab group plugin is really unstable

bwDraco

21:32

On Android, however, all this goes out the window and Firefox consumes far more battery power than Chrome.

Burgi

my phone battery lasts for about 3 days

even with the wifi on and the occasional GPS

bwDraco

My phone's battery life is great if it's sitting idle most of the time (thanks, Android Doze). It's just Firefox being so horrifically inefficient.

I've tuned my device to use zram heavily, which doesn't really help due to lots of CPU power being consumed for swapping, but even if you factor that into consideration (or disable zram), Firefox is horrifically CPU-inefficient during normal web browsing.

Firefox's page renderer is incredibly inefficient.

Burgi

when will i finally admit i hate no man's sky?

bwDraco

Testing with zram off.

Giving the battery some time to recharge...

Ramhound

0

A: Webmin -> Virtualmin -> Let's Encrypt -- Getting error about e-mail when registering SSL

You have to use the following command-line option. -m EMAIL, --email EMAIL Email used for registration and recovery contact. (default: None) You can make this easier by adding the following to your configuration file Uncomment and upda...

should I feel bad by answering that questio

I read the manual, literally skimmed it, and quotedit

searched or "email" wasn't hard...

Ben N

21:42

If you want to escape a Markdown thing, put a backslash before it

Alternatively, add sufficient spaces and you'll get a code block, which disables most special formatting

bwDraco

I don't even bother with Let's Encrypt. I just use a paid (but inexpensive) solution: Comodo PositiveSSL.

I get my certs from Namecheap.

namecheap.com/security/ssl-certificates/comodo/positivessl.aspx

I'd rather continue to use a solution that works with zero trouble than to save $9 a year for a solution that is not yet 100% proven.

As things change, I might start to look into free certificates, but I'd prefer not to use something other than what I know works.

Ramhound

ahh

kerbalspacecat

22:08

Woof

DavidPostill

Foow

bwDraco

roar

Alright, battery charged to 66%. zram is off. Let's see if Firefox is indeed the problem.

bwDraco

22:39

...and my phone just ran out of memory. The system UI just shut down and restarted.

kerbalspacecat

23:09

woof woof

bwDraco

I think I know what's going on. Firefox's memory management on Android sucks. It leaks lots of memory over the course of a browsing session and uses loads of CPU time trying to clean up memory it loses track of and is unable to recover. This continues until Firefox crashes or is restarted. Wikia pages are particularly bad in this regard.

zram does not make a substantial difference here.

On desktop, this is less of an issue because you have many GBs of RAM. On mobile, you just don't have as much memory.

Also, the Gecko renderer is very inefficient.

And thus the experiment ends.

allquicatic

23:51

Wawawawawawao.

Ramhound

Anyone see Sully?

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