Root Access

Dog

20:00

!!caaaaaaaaat

djsmiley2k

its broked

Dog

!!stat

djsmiley2k

...

DavidPostill

This may have killed the bot :)

2 hours ago, by oldmud0

!!> while(true) console.log("trying to solve halting problem...")

2 hours ago, by ChatBot John Cavil

@oldmud0 Maximum execution time exceeded

Dog

I Kill People

►

Oh hey, my bluetooth is broken under Windows 10

bwDraco

20:11

@DavidPostill Shouldn't the bot stop in this case?

We might have to put in a bugfix...

You do this at your own risk. Disconnect the external HDDs. Go to "Device Manager" (Windows key, start typing "hardware"). "View" menu -> "Show hidden devices". Expand the "Disk drives" node. Right-click on the drive corresponding to the external HDD. Choose "Uninstall". Repeat as necessary. Reboot. Connect external HDD. Hope, but do not expect, the drive to work. — Andrew Morton 30 mins ago

@AndrewMorton: There is no need for a disclaimer. I'll bear the risk. — bwDraco 1 min ago

Am I suggesting risky activity?

Why the hell am I writing this?

Comment deleted.

...I must be out of my mind. I'm losing my sanity. Who on Earth would willingly expose themselves to liability for no reason?

I might be overworked :(

DavidPostill

@bwDraco I don't know - but it was the last successful? bot command.

bwDraco

I'm going to press on. See ya in a bit.

4 hours ago, by bwDraco

😓😓😓😓😓

(see context for why I'm doing this)

Burgi

21:05

@Hennes we proved the other day that bill gates uses gmail

Hennes

GatesMail ?

Burgi

Aug 3 at 12:37, by allquixotic

yes, even gates doesn't use hotmail ;p

Aug 3 at 12:35, by allquixotic

we just found out one of my sister's "friends" was charging drinks to random rooms and they weren't even staying in the hotel

DavidPostill

@Burgi Naughty girl!

Was this at the wedding reception?

Burgi

yeah

it was a guy

DavidPostill

Have you just got a big bill?

Burgi

21:11

yeah

£200 of drinks charged to a room no-one was staying in

DavidPostill

Time to send round the boys!

Burgi

we know who it is

DavidPostill

Make him pay up ...

Burgi

to add extra insult is they are allegedly a well off couple

what a dick

its also poor process on behalf of the hotel for not checking

Dog

21:43

DavidPostill

@Dog Shame about the graffiti ...

But nice pic

Dog

@DavidPostill Actually that's the nice part about it

A completely tourist free island with nobody but the local youths visiting

DavidPostill

Hmm

@Dog Do you not count as a tourist then? ;P

Dog

I tend to not tourist very well

The island's off limits to the public so I had to follow the local youth climbing around a cliff and a locked gate to get there

Gah imgur is broke on my phone

@Bob: I'm having a problem with these cheap 3m microUSB cables I got off Ebay... they're too good,

I'm not getting enough voltage droop :-(

Moar grafitti

Guess that's what happens when you have an area that's illegal to get to :-P

Hassan Althaf

22:09

Hey guys.

I'm running windows 10.

Actually, trying to install.

I am successful in installing it, however, windows starts installing drivers for my graphics, touchpad, etc.

And then once I reboot, after the windows loading screen, I get a black screen with no cursor.

Once I move the cursor, it appears with a cursor animated with a loading thingy.

Dog

NVidia?

Hassan Althaf

Yeah.

It's a laptop with an NVIDIA GeForce 820M.

HP Pavilion 15 Notebook PC.

I cannot literally get to the login screen at all.

Canadian Luke

YOu know, I'm loving that I still remember old DOS commands...

Hassan Althaf

I have done 4 fresh re-installs so far.

Canadian Luke

We have a two-part database at cadets, one is the "backend" (storing tables only), then front ends. They talk to each other on the Z: network drive. A user needs access to an archived version at home, I used the subst command so it thought it was talking on the Z:

Ben N

22:12

If you can connect an external display, you might be able to get in and install appropriate drivers

Canadian Luke

Can you restart it in VGA mode?

Guitar Shoe Dave

i love ol dos 6.x

DavidPostill

Hmm "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results." misattributed to Einstein (he never actually said it).

Guitar Shoe Dave

subst is awesomeeee

Dog

It's always NVidia's fault

Ben N

22:13

It really is

Hassan Althaf

@CanadianLuke How to do that?

Dog

I get that all the friggin time with any Nvidia driver install

Hassan Althaf

Can I disable the graphics card?

Dog

Except the last three months, where it won't install at all

Canadian Luke

Kind of... It forces Windows to load it's built in graphics driver only

Hassan Althaf

22:14

@CanadianLuke How to restart in VGA mode?

Canadian Luke

Get to the boot menu, and select Low Graphics mode or VGA mode (can't remember the exact term in Windows 10)

Dog

Windows 10 still has VGA mode?!

Hassan Althaf

boot menu as in

Ben N

I think Safe Mode does that, but I'm not sure

Hassan Althaf

bios?

My bios is pretty minimalistic.

Ben N

22:15

I think the key is F8, it gives you the Windows bootloader options

DavidPostill

How do you expect us to help when you don't list the "bunch of errors"? We are neither mind readers or psychic. — DavidPostill 4 mins ago

Hassan Althaf

I cant do anything other than setting boot device.

Oh.

Safemode doesnt wrok either.

*work

Canadian Luke

Not the BIOS, the Windows Boot Menu

Hassan Althaf

Black screen

How do I access it on an HP?

Canadian Luke

Start it up, shut it down before Windows fully loads, 3 times

Hassan Althaf

22:16

Oh.

Will it not damage the HDD?

Canadian Luke

digitalcitizen.life/4-ways-boot-safe-mode-windows-10

Hassan Althaf

Also, I decided on another fresh re-install. It's currently on 94%.

Canadian Luke

No, you're not throwing the computer around, you just powering it down

Hassan Althaf

Anything I could do to avoid this from happening again?

I'm okay with disabling the discrete graphics card and sticking with the inbuilt one.

Canadian Luke

Depends on the computer... I don't know every HP off the top of my head, so I can't answer that part

Hassan Althaf

22:18

I checked the BIOS.

But it doesn't seem to have an option for that.

Canadian Luke

But if you can get into VGA mode, and remove the nVidia drivers, then tell Windows not to install it when you reboot, you'll have a functioning (albeit limited graphics) Windows

NOT THE BIOS

3 mins ago, by Canadian Luke

Not the BIOS, the Windows Boot Menu

Hassan Althaf

ok

I'll try and get to that./

As soon as this setup is done.

Canadian Luke

Two different things, BIOS doesn't really exist in newer computers anymore. The Windows Boot Menu is for AFTER the EUFI (or BIOS in older systems or compatibility mode) has loaded the NT Loader (NTLDR) boot program

Hassan Althaf

It's an old ass device.

I know UEFI's are amazing.

But this device has a stupid BIOS with nothing.

Dog

You kidding? UEFI sucks balls

Canadian Luke

22:21

OK, so once you get it booted, try that site for one of the methods of opening that Boot Menu (even if you need to boot from your install media to tell it to do that), and try again

EUFI rocks when you have everything working with it

The new Linux servers our district bought are now using EUFI, and boot to the Debian login prompt in under 25 seconds

Hassan Althaf

UEFI is dope

Canadian Luke

It's a pain in the rear when you don't understand it, or you're using legacy programs to do fancy things with booting or hard drive partitions

Dog

I can write an MBR boot sector and partition by hand

Hassan Althaf

Btw guys

Canadian Luke

Yea? Can you use magnifying glasses to write it too?

Hassan Althaf

22:22

Is moving from B150 to Z170

a good choice?

Canadian Luke

Hassan Althaf

/worth it

Guitar Shoe Dave

i used to use bas2com to convert my qbasic applications to com applications.. and would use rawwrite to write it directly to the disk. And the OS would boot and start the com application without a mbr

Hassan Althaf

Real programmers don't bitch about what real programmers use. -- Hassan Althaf. :DDDD

Guitar Shoe Dave

it was pretty sweet

those were the days

Hassan Althaf

22:24

Yes.

Not too many complications.

Nowadays, the number of standards in monitor cables connectivity alone is insane.

Dog

UEFI on the other hand gives assholes like Microsoft the ability to mandate that your PC refuse to boot anything other than their own pre-approved boot sectors

Hassan Althaf

Don't the new motherboards come with a UEFI

Ben N

@Dog Actually, Microsoft-certified devices must give the option for the user to blow away the default keys and install their own

Dog

Want to modify it in any way? Sorry, secure boot says GTFO and buy a mac, I aint booting anything not signed by Microsoft!

@BenN Nope, some Microsoft-certified devices must not give the option.

Hassan Althaf

Buy a Surface?

Dog

22:26

In fact the "must" option has now become optional.

Hassan Althaf

Pretty overpriced like the Macs.

But Microsoft can't shit 'bout it

Dog

I'm probably going to buy a Surface Book 2

Ben N

Ah, ARM devices are indeed locked

Dog

Unless someone else brings out something comparable/better

Oh hey, Windows 10 says my "Intel GMA driver for Windows 8 has stopped responding"

All the time.

Guess that's what happens when Intel don't bother producing a Windows 10 driver -_-

How nice of you Microsoft to constantly nag me to upgrading to an OS that doesn't work with my hardware

Hassan Althaf

I tried accessing the windows boot menu

It's like 'Preparing the Repair'

when I did that that 3 times thingy

DavidPostill

22:31

@GuitarShoeDave real programmers just use debug

Debug (command)

debug is a command in DOS, OS/2 and Microsoft Windows (only in 32bit) which runs the program debug.exe (or DEBUG.COM in older versions of DOS). Debug can act as an assembler, disassembler, or hex dump program allowing users to interactively examine memory contents (in assembly language, hexadecimal or ASCII), make changes, and selectively execute COM, EXE and other file types. It also has several subcommands which are used to access specific disk sectors, I/O ports and memory addresses. == Background == Traditionally, all computers and operating systems have included a maintenance function, used...

Guitar Shoe Dave

yes!!

I used to use debug all the time (dosworld always had some debug applications always within their issues)

DavidPostill

When is an alias not an alias? 10K+ linky superuser.com/questions/1111328/…

Canadian Luke

Well, I installed Ubuntu on my Surface Pro 2 without issue...

They don't restrict it completely, they just discourage it

... BY default

Dog

!!caaaaaaat

DavidPostill

@Dog bot is dead again.

Dog

22:37

Guess I have to do everything myself around here eh

Hassan Althaf

I realized what the problem could be.

It's quit an old driver that doesn't detect any new updates.

allquicatic

@DavidPostill be nice if anyone ever pinged me about it!

Dog

Cake by the ocean

It was gonna reboot itself in an hour anyway

allquicatic

do I need to remove/disable the JS evaluation functions of the bot now?

DavidPostill

@allquicatic I was enjoying the lack of caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat greetings :)

Dog

22:47

caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat is not a valid command

Also I thought you had a cat filter

allquicatic

5 hours ago, by oldmud0

!!> while(true) console.log("trying to solve halting problem...")

yeah, let's not do that again

4

DavidPostill

@Dog I do, but it still shows "image not found" which at least is less screen real estate.

Dog

Can't you adblock the image not found image?

DavidPostill

@Dog Probably. Lets see if that works. I suspect I will still get an empty line in chat.

allquicatic

actually, i wanna know if the issue is with !!stat or that while-true

!!/stat 73918

ChatBot John Cavil

22:50

@allquicatic bwDraco (http://superuser.com/users/73918/bwdraco) has 25294 reputation, earned 10 rep today, asked 65 questions, gave 414 answers, for a q:a ratio of 65:414.
avg. rep/post: 52.8. Badges: 24g 96s 135b

allquicatic

it's the while-true

Dog

caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat not found, did you mean: cat, caat, caaat, caaaat, caaaaat, caaaaaat, caaaaaaat, caaaaaaat, caaaaaaaaat, caaaaaaaaaat, caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat, caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

!!caaaaat2

ChatBot John Cavil

Dog

Huh I forgot about the cat2's

@allquicatic I didn't know you could while(true) the bot

DavidPostill

@Dog So did I. Now blocked :)

I now get a blank line from @ChatBotJohnCavil

Much better.

Dog

22:52

Now I remember why I blocked you. Cat hater.

allquicatic

!!> while(true) console.log("x")

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquicatic Maximum execution time exceeded

allquicatic

!!stat 73918

!!info

k.

DavidPostill

@Dog lol. I love cats - but I don't want them randomly popping up on my screen.

Dog

My father always taught me to not trust anyone who a) can bleed for four days straight and not die, or b) hates cats

!!> while(true) echo("foo")

ChatBot John Cavil

22:53

@Dog "ReferenceError: Can't find variable: echo"

DavidPostill

@Dog Hmm. a) must be tough for some %age of the female population ...

Dog

@DavidPostill Cat females have no such toughity

Urgh, another 5 hours in business class airport lounges tomorrow. Tough life huh.

Can't wait for the day I've ~~made enough money~~ chased away enough dogs to get into the first class lounge

allquicatic

!!> 3+3+3+3+3

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquicatic 2

allquicatic

:)

Dog

23:00

huh

!!> 3-1

ChatBot John Cavil

@Dog 2

allquicatic

!!> while(true) console.log("you are going to totally ignore this code and just compute 1+1, aren't you.")

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquicatic 2

allquicatic

easiest way I could find to prevent people from crashing the bot with a while-true

Dog

!!> 3+14

ChatBot John Cavil

23:01

@Dog 2

Dog

Why is everything 2?

allquicatic

because I got tired of people crashing the bot

//code = code.replace( /^>/, '' );
code = "1+1";

Dog

So it doesn't just ignore while(true) it just ignores everything?

allquicatic

it was the easiest path to neutering the problem

Dog

But it only happened once!

That I'm aware of

allquicatic

23:02

people like to fuck with the bot and I don't like to put in effort to fix it

once people know about it they'll do it again and again

the problem will probably go away next time I switch from phantomjs to jBrowserDriver, or something

it doesn't appear to be a code problem, so much as a PhantomJS problem

they already anticipated and handled the case of an infinite loop "correctly" but the JS engine in PhantomJS is just sorrowful

Bob

23:17

@allquicatic oh yea I dunno if I mentioned - jbd added the local storage path

I might look into porting next time I'm bored :P

The endless loops shouldn't be a problem... They're run in a worker thread

Dog

Ermmm... wut. My 11:15am flight includes lunch. My 5:05pm flight includes Breakfast?!

Hassan Althaf

Fixed the issue.

Simply was an old driver.

lol

Psycogeek

23:35

@Dog i guess you now know how long the flight delays will be :-)

Journeyman Geek

Morning

Bob

@Dog -_-

Journeyman Geek

23:50

@CanadianLuke ubuntu and fedora have bootloaders/shims that are signed by MS

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