Root Access

Burgi

1:00 AM

nn all

Yvette

the brother (Sid) would go out onto the balcony meowing for her

@Burgi night

Ben N

Bye!

Bob

'night

Yvette

now we have two more street kittens (brothers) and he is their dad

Journeyman Geek

@Yvette if I was getting a dog, I'd go for a shelter one, and a local shelter has too many puppies 0_0

Bob

1:00 AM

@Yvette :[

Yvette

@Bob they are happy now, three big cats :)

Bob

Just what is this guy a professor of? Dentistry? — Shadur Jul 15 at 9:55

Journeyman Geek

but thanks to the wierdness of local laws, you can't keep a mongrel in a flat without knowing how big it will grow, and it being roughly the size of a toy dog

and you can't keep cats

cat

@Burgi To cuddle

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I feel "weirdness" describes Sg laws pretty perfectly :P

Yvette

1:02 AM

@JourneymanGeek mine are all unregistered and we live in our apartment and I don't tell the gov. ;)

Bob

AFAIK storing a salt is a bad idea if your database is in a humid place-- leads to corrosion (see example of corroded table in Second Life here). — Jedi Jul 15 at 14:29

Yvette

they are happy and better than being feral or d-e-a-d on the street

bwDraco

lol

Yvette

oops i better get back to work, it's been nice to chat! have a nice day/night

Bob

lol

cya

cat

1:03 AM

Just what is this guy a professor of? Dentistry? — Shadur Jul 15 at 9:55

Yvette

bye animal lovers - look at the line up of user avatars lol

Bob

2 mins ago, by Bob

Just what is this guy a professor of? Dentistry? — Shadur Jul 15 at 9:55

:P

cat

I assumed this was on Cooking.SE when I saw it in the HNQ before I noticed the little "InfoSec" icon :D — cat Jul 16 at 0:00

cat, 🐱

113 5

Bob

O_O

Doppelgänger!

cat

Heh

DavidPostill

1:11 AM

Hmm. Today is a full moon. Maybe that explains the recent craziness :)

oldmud0

Zero gravity soccer - test 2

►

I AM CRAZY

Ben N

I see you're warming up to Python :)

oldmud0

python addictive ye

/me starts drooling

Quill

apparently this post might be spam

Ben N

Direct link to containing answer, which is at least NAA

bwDraco

1:24 AM

@Quill Not spam. That's a forum post.

I happen to have an account there.

oldmud0

I need to get a new keyboard for my laptop. It's so annoying that it's missing the D key, and the Shift key is about to go too

Quill

@bwDraco hence why I asked instead of flagging ;-)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob more precisely most housing here is public and 99 year leasehold, and our landlord (the government) doesn't allow cats or big dogs ;p

@Bob quite

actually my neighbourhood is wierder

Some blocks fall under standard public housing rules. Some don't. The ones that do, the top floor is considered to be a private apartment with a 99 year lease

Michael Frank

1:41 AM

@JourneymanGeek FYI another one of those accounts: superuser.com/users/612582/mihail-mojsoski

Oh... it was a review audit. Nevermind.

Journeyman Geek

at this point I've gotten the flag count from 29 to 4, so flagging should be entirely fine

oy vey. What a morning

Bob

51

Q: How to prevent an office dog from becoming a problem

I manage a small team of developers. Our intern (who only stays for the summer) asked me whether he can bring his dog to work, since he has trouble finding someone to look after the dog during the day. I told him that it's ok if all the other people in the office agree to it (which - to my sur...

work-environment

Journeyman Geek

>_>

Journeyman Geek

3:08 AM

Working "Lost in Space" Analog Computer Replica!

►

so pretty

Michael Frank

3:42 AM

Ugh... "Can you find my PST? It was on my old computer that you migrated me off 5 weeks ago."

Sorry! Your PST is gone. We sent your computer back to the warehouse two weeks after we migrated you like we said we would.

Bob

4:26 AM

> You need a font that supports this character to even have a hope of seeing it correctly in the browser.

lol

Journeyman Geek

5:24 AM

boingboing.net/2016/07/18/person-walking-dog-encounters.html looks like a post apocalyptic robo-religious processesion

Rahul2001

5:51 AM

Hello!

Bob

o.O

33

Q: Turning DisplayPort monitor off disables monitor completely

I have 2 monitors connected to a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660: Left is 1920x1080 via DVI (Samsung SyncMaster 2443BW) Right is 2560x1440 via DisplayPort and is set to Primary (Samsung SyncMaster SA850) I often leave my computer running overnight (working on long render job, doing backups, etc) so I ...

windows-7 display displayport

why

dammit DP

@JourneymanGeek ^

Journeyman Geek

@Bob that sounds about right

also happens when I switch inputs

Bob

6:12 AM

@JourneymanGeek pretty annoying, though

it messes up fullscreen-windowed games :\

I'll have to try turning off DDC/CI

Loses software brightness controls, though... bleh

Journeyman Geek

7:01 AM

@Bob eh, I never use those

Boris_yo

7:14 AM

So Wikipedia does not really need our money to keep running?

It's all smoke and mirrors?

Why am I pestered with donation solicitations?

theregister.co.uk/2012/12/20/cash_rich_wikipedia_chugging

If this is true I am unsubbing.

Would rather help less fortunate people.

Journeyman Geek

or dogs.

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

7:28 AM

or pencils.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo I would have a bigger problem with the matrerials presented in the wiki being of a false and misleading nature, and various peoples with vested interests bending and molding thier data to achieve thier goals, than having a problem with the founders driving a mozaratti :-)

Journeyman Geek

asiancorrespondent.com/2016/07/…

Are there less than a dozen snakes in your pants, or are you happy to see me?

Burgi

morning

Journeyman Geek

hi

Psycogeek

""Wikipedia Nazi Moderator" - because many of the moderators I have run across are just shirt head little tyrants, running their own little pages and groups just like the neo-nazi arse licking cretins in the third reich." Uhh yea , sometimes in the history and editing section of the wiki, a person has to wonder what was going on, and "who" at that point was keeping things straight, and who was protecting a deep bend.

Burgi

7:41 AM

so with all the shennanigans last night i forgot to link this

manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/…

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi slightly nsfw but entirely appropriate i.imgur.com/g2Yo3.gif

Burgi

heh

Psycogeek

Who is the real true source of the actual real factual data anymore, when be it entertainers, bloggers, historians (like the history channel :-) are all being quoted as the source, and the sources are "the Web" itself which has a greater interest in making money at the costs of truth.

Bob

Accoring To You Pilot6 after running chmod now i need not requires the sudo to run. Its like I have removed sudo and not every command needs sudo then why it have to go and crash. Unstable I got it because of security reasons but once i ran the command sudo chmod -R 777 / It actually crashed my system. My launcher right-click, nothing was working after login. — Brij Raj Kishore yesterday

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek We still don't know the whole story of WWII so you never get served the truth. You must dig for the unbiased truth.

Bob

7:45 AM

Ow.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo or just make anything up in your head, add a few ancidotal stories and have it be just as good as, but much more entertaining :-)

Boris_yo

Anyway, it seems they have tire kickers and action takers list who donate. I donated some and I see I am on action takers list. Time to unsubscribe.

Take action! Pay us!

@Psycogeek I was asked to get company that sells flowers internationally on Wikipedia. Felt like trying to open marketplace selling gadgets at Harvard University.

Burgi

need to restart FF

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo yea large quantities of people who have at times felt like they knew the truth, often give up on trying to reflect it. sort of a person can spend much of thier time proving and facting out something, then they have little time to entertain. or they can create stories about anchient aliens (example) and turn the world onto more fun folk tales.

@Boris_yo there is already a saying for that, "those who win the war write the history", those that lost, are dead , not likely to write the history.

Burgi

so my minion just told me that he is "glowing"

Psycogeek

7:56 AM

@Boris_yo american histroy as taught by the american schools , the one I learned, was a patriotic embarassment of the truth :-)

"When the a-hole Percentage of an organisation reaches some critical threshold, non-A-holes find time spent within that organisation to be increasingly unpleasant and depart for pastures new, leaving behind the socially malajusted individuals" which could also be said, the smart people all left.

jiggunjer

do we have irc?

Journeyman Geek

Nope.

Rahul2001

@Burgi How old is he?

@ƎpᴉʇʎXD This is the worst username you could possibly adopt...

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

possibly*

its a upside-down edity

Rahul2001

Is it now?

Psycogeek

8:07 AM

to be fair, how does that differ from any other aspects of life, as some any parts of life from retail marketing to politics become way too much BS for the average and above average intelligent people to cope with, they leave. This leaves the lowest common denominator both in charge, and supporting it.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Where do they leave? Leave country? Join Amishes? Just get away from idiocricy?

Journeyman Geek

@Rahul2001 makes it easier to ignore him :p

Burgi

@Rahul2001 23

Rahul2001

@Burgi How many minions do you have?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo leave, to no longer participate, in whatever manner that is done. to no longer participate in some forum (or wiki editing wars) , to move out of a city or state, to leave mentally , to no longer fight for the truth in that way. Example of leave, there were well known "consumer advocates" in america, on tv even, outspoken. very few of such things left.

Isnt it obvious to the whole world that all the smart people left politics :-)

Boris_yo

8:25 AM

@Psycogeek You can't change the masses. You either become like them or fall behind and die.

Notice the recent shift in consciousness?

ƎpᴉʇʎXD

consciousness to UNconsciousness

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo sometimes i have to remember back when all older people were calling us younger people stupid and crasy. as we get older we may look at the younger people and call them stupid and crasy. But they are instead much like we used to be.

Boris_yo

Remember back in late 90s and early 2000s when internet was baby how people hated all those selling business opportunities and called the scam 100 miles away? How people were affraid to buy online and any transactional issue would call seller a scammer or condemnt seller in some way?

Burgi

@Rahul2001 just the one

Boris_yo

Look what happens today. Selling and hype is normal. Everyone is YouTube attention whoring. Notice how average joe sells something today either on YouTube or website. How people sell their soul to review Chinese gadget like their life depends on it.

@Psycogeek World follows the masses and majority of those ain't the bright ones.

Psycogeek

8:32 AM

ahh i still find a great need for the existance of the B&M store, and wish that they did not A) already loose many of them because of the web B) much of what is left is corporate and huge C) I would still far rather buy things locally. because when there was a total FTC violation, when the product was complete fraud, when the product was a complete fail, you could go back to (or never go back to) that store.

Boris_yo

Stupid will be consolidate on earth while smart (hard working, prudent, rich and elites) will retire on Elysium.

"you could go back to (or **never** go back to) that store."

So you would not get your refund?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo refunds are easy at a local store. refunds via the web seem easy, like amazon is cool about it. but there is much more busy work involved, and much more delay in processing.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek You would look at sellers who are taken advantage of by scammers and Amazon is okay with it.

Psycogeek

at a local store, your in and out, you got your money back in hand, and you can even re-spend it for the "better" product within the same day/hour. With the web after already waiting for a dissapointing product to be shipped, you have to go through a "work" process to return the product, and wait again to get it back, then hope and wait till your money is returned.

Boris_yo

Or eBay sellers. Selling $8K watch and getting a claim customer did not receive it while bastards get to keep watch and refund.

Try pulling off that scam with local store and you will get shotgunned your ass.

Psycogeek

8:46 AM

yea, the In-Hand , direct exchange, of clams for product , is more security, but even there you have people trying every trick, direct thievery and all. Escrow services for net purchaces would raise the price of everything. so invent something new (again) Uber Amazon :-) Amazon Uber drivers deliver product right to your door, with body cams.

(while also taxi driving people needing to go to similar locations)

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek It's not really greed of corporate CEO to stuff as much money into his pockets selling less than useful products. That can be too but major issue is the greed due to competition. The pie gets smaller as more players enter supply chain, margins get thinner, workers get reduced salary, more earth resources are used up resulting in a junk that must be sold to consumers who do not have disposable income (thanks to competition cutting their costs), China gets to experience earth's wrath...

Psycogeek

UPS inspection + system, we deliver and return packages, AND know what is in them.

Boris_yo

Nutshell - civilization does not understand that it only kills itself. There must be regulations that would set a threshold for companies in each industry to prevent above. Ancient civilizations have fallen because they failed to learn lesson.

Are we the next because we failed to learn this one?

Journeyman Geek

._. straitstimes.com/business/companies-markets/…

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo well if you only had to buy what you need, and only had to buy it once, china wouldnt sell a thing :-)

Boris_yo

9:02 AM

@Psycogeek That's to do with individuals smarts and values but we talked about today's society. Millenialls are described as generation of picky consumers who want everything fast and are in debt.

That's good for businesses, isn't it so they take the opportunity and this whole thing is a disservice to current and future generations who want results for no work.

So both sides are driving down humanity values.

Kind of sad that in order to live in society you either have to be a slave of master or become master managing slaves.

Good morning.

hi

evening!

Evening? where are you from?

Journeyman Geek

Well, its late afternoon here...

DavidPostill

9:12 AM

morning!

Alejandra Moreno

9:37 AM

Morning!

Bob

@AlejandraMoreno Sydney, AU

Alejandra Moreno

where spiders have health bars?

Journeyman Geek

;p

naw, the dropbears ate most of those.

Matt Jens Jensen

Hey all, I was wondering if anyone here could give me an opinion on building a in-office work storage system. I'm seriously considering building a machine and putting archlinux and BTRFS on it and putting the drives in Raid 1. I need to be able to access the machine via Linux, Mac, and Windows with decent transfer speeds. For some context, I'm a game developer amassing about 500GB of art and code assets I'd like to access across a few build machines.
Also, please let me know if this is off topic or asking too much for this chat

Journeyman Geek

@MattJensJensen you're talking about things...

the tricky thing here would be picking the network file system

samba/smb is what I'd prefer but you might consider nfs.

Also worth considering is...

500gb is peanuts by modern standards

and what your network backbone would be

If you're running gigabit ethernet, chances are that's going to be a potential bottleneck compared to the rest of your setup

Matt Jens Jensen

9:54 AM

Yes, I don't intend to use more than 900GB over the course of this project, I care the most about redundancy and security

Yes, it doesn't have to be networked, I just am not sure exactly what way to transfer it best

Journeyman Geek

Most folks here consider btrfs to be... immature

Matt Jens Jensen

By the way thanks mate for helping out

Journeyman Geek

I've had a system with btrfs kinda... refuse to boot with a kernel upgrade

Jun 9 '15 at 23:53, by allquixotic

ext4 eats your data and doesn't know it; xfs just doesn't eat your data (ever); btrfs eats your data and knows it (and is proud of it); and zfs doesn't eat your data and would know it if it did :D

Matt Jens Jensen

The problem is with my work system is that I'm using 16 of the PCIe lanes so a thunderbolt card is difficult on me

Journeyman Geek

not even thinking tbolt. In some cases you can do 'trunked'/teamed 1gbps x2

or just have a master copy and sync it locally

Matt Jens Jensen

9:57 AM

Ouch yeah, I'm looking for a more mature and stable filesystem and host OS

Journeyman Geek

I'm not overfond of arch either. Nothing fundamentally wrong with it...

But If I were paranoid I'd go for a more conservative OS

Matt Jens Jensen

My main reason for using Arch is that I've used it for a while now and I really prefer it over most distros, but yes it has it's stability quirks. My switch as gitabit ports and my work machine only has one gigabit port built into the motherboard, and I can't add another PCIe device as my lanes are filled up with graphics cards

Bob

@AlejandraMoreno nah, most just have a big ??? floating above their heads

the baby ones might have health bars

@MattJensJensen ZFS is probably the de facto standard these days

ZFS on Linux is ... well, it's probably more stable than btrfs.

ZFS on (Open)Solaris is rock solid, iirc.

Matt Jens Jensen

@Bob is ZFS free (as in free beer) even though it's from Oracle?

Bob

@MattJensJensen The old fork is free, under CDDL I believe. There's new stuff in Solaris that's not free, but largely unnecessary. I think.

Going by vague memories here cause I just run the ZFS on Linux variant personally :P

Burgi

10:08 AM

my minion chair dances so much....

Bob

@MattJensJensen Also, backups. ZFS is good for data integrity, decent for redundancy and uptime. But nothing beats good offline and offsite backups in case of, say, fire.

Even RAID 1 can fail if you're unlucky enough to lose both drives at (around) the same time.

Matt Jens Jensen

@Bob hmm, I see a long entry on Arch Wiki about ZFS, it looks promising

If there's a fire, I will go down with my work

Bob

@MattJensJensen I've run it on Debian with a bit of fiddling. Apparently it's baked into Ubuntu 16.04 now.

Matt Jens Jensen

To Valhalla

Bob

Not too familiar with Arch.

@MattJensJensen $100 for a 2 TB external HDD... :P

Matt Jens Jensen

10:11 AM

Arch Linux is a build it yourself distro in a few ways

My main goal is Raid 0 on two 1 TB drives (minimum)

Raid 1 * sorry, redundancy in drive failure is key

Bob

With ZFS you'd want it in "mirror" mode, then.

raidz1 if you were doing 3 drives

> Warning: The ZFS and SPL kernel modules are tied to a specific kernel version. It would not be possible to apply any kernel updates until updated packages are uploaded to AUR or the archzfs repository.

That's the warning :P

Better to run it on a stable server rather than an always-updated workstation.

Matt Jens Jensen

Yeah, mate, I should've figured sharing redundant storage across three OSes was going to be a pain of a task

Alejandra Moreno

@Bob Scary :o

Oliver Salzburg

10:33 AM

Why are companies sending out "Getting Started" emails at least 3 days after you're already using their service?

> Here's how to build your first container with Docker/publish your first npm module/start your first EC2 instance!

Oh, thanks!

Matt Jens Jensen

I deactivated my docker account, three days later they sent me a getting started email

Thanks mate!

I totally wanted that

Oliver Salzburg

:D

Journeyman Geek

@MattJensJensen oh, I vaguely recall zfs has a built in samba server

if you go zfs, it might be worth using

Oliver Salzburg

I got that with Azure. Signed up once, closed account the same day, now I get "Latest news on Azure" every month. No unsubscribe link

Matt Jens Jensen

@JourneymanGeek Now, if I set up two drives in Raid 1 with ZFS + Samba on a GNU/Linux based server (Debian probably) with the operating system stored on a 120 GB SSD, does that system setup sound like it makes sense or am I misunderstanding it

Journeyman Geek

10:36 AM

@MattJensJensen sounds about right.

Matt Jens Jensen

@OliverSalzburg Marketing materials like that are almost always terrible and I've honestly never seen a single getting started email that helped me use a service

@JourneymanGeek Awesome, thanks so much for your help, I really appreciate it

I really like the SuperUser community here

Bob

@JourneymanGeek wat

Journeyman Geek

@MattJensJensen that said, I tend to take a fairly concervative view towards important stuff. You might be able to get that running on arch. I worked with people who swore by XFS and centos (eww centos), I tend to run ubuntu and fedora for my own stuff (with a terribad experiment with btrfs - and I run ext)

@Bob docs.oracle.com/cd/E19120-01/open.solaris/820-2429/…

hm, solaris zfs only?

Bob

Oh yea, XFS.

Also solid, older one.

Maybe more stable on Linux.

Journeyman Geek

@MattJensJensen hm, I'd actually suggest xfs then, over btrfs come to think of it ;p

Matt Jens Jensen

10:44 AM

@JourneymanGeek I hold the same conservatism for my work files themselves, I use Arch because I don't care if I have to rebuild my OS, but I care about my work being there

Bob

@MattJensJensen Heh, I've got my Debian install booting off a flash drive :P

Journeyman Geek

>_>

Bob

With raidz1 for the ZFS storage

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I'm the (local) king of dodgy storage ;p

Bob

I think ZoL is pretty damn solid.

The only pain is you might not be able to upgrade the Linux kernel.

Ubuntu might actually be the better choice here because they have first-party ZFS support now.

IIRC ZFS has a few advantages over XFS.

Matt Jens Jensen

10:46 AM

Oh man, I'm getting a little scared hahah. So, hosting a raid 1 storage server that can be accessed by Windows 10, GNU/Linux, and macOS, redundancy and security are my main priorities XFS vs. ZFS + Samba?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob my impression of XFS is... its boring

@MattJensJensen you're definately going to want samba for the network access bit

Bob

@MattJensJensen I'd vote ZFS, if only because I've personally used it :P

Matt Jens Jensen

Ubuntu scares me a bit because of canonical's privacy and security issues, but I never noticed it in Ubuntu based servers, but the desktop Ubuntu scared me away

Journeyman Geek

lol

I run fedora server cause my previous employer was a centos shop, and I like living dangerously.

Matt Jens Jensen

I too live dangerously

You can tell by the fact that I use Arch and I've wrecked my install about three times now

Bob

10:49 AM

@MattJensJensen Yea, I did Debian cause I'm not really a fan of Ubuntu after a few botched updates, but I did have trouble with the SPL package upgrading incorrectly once. Ubuntu would probably avoid that, if only by not requiring a third-party package source.

@MattJensJensen Only three? Pssh, amateur :P

Matt Jens Jensen

@Bob I like Debian, I think it's a safe choice

Bob

@allquixotic runs ZFS on Ubuntu

Matt Jens Jensen

Also, yes, one time I literally uninstalled my package manager because I wanted to see if it would let me

now I have a script called unfuck_pacman.sh

Bob

Translated for Windows users:

> One time I literally deleted system32 because I wanted to see if it would let me

:P

Matt Jens Jensen

Essentially

Bob

10:51 AM

I suppose technically it's more like deleting msiexec, but meh

Matt Jens Jensen

I wanted to see if it would let a non-root user do it, but rather I forgot I had been logged in as root beforehand '

2

Bob

(and all the supporting infrastructure... shudder)

Matt Jens Jensen

To be fair, this was after a few pints

Bob

@MattJensJensen Now that deserves a spot on the Root Access Hall Of Fame, right next to @cat's chmod.

Matt Jens Jensen

Ouch, what's the damage of his story? haha

Journeyman Geek

10:53 AM

I think blowing up your main install is pretty much a rite of passage here.

Matt Jens Jensen

If you don't destroy your OS, you aren't tinkering with it enough

Journeyman Geek

yup

Bob

@MattJensJensen chat.stackexchange.com/… :P

I can't even remember my worst.

Recent memory says routine Windows update that got into a rollback loop that ended in a reinstall. But I'll blame MS for that.

The ZoL/SPL stuffup took a full day to fix...

Matt Jens Jensen

That's beautiful, a beautiful disaster

Bob

Oh. I lived for three years with my primary machine being unable to install printer (and some other) drivers cause of a botched BT driver install and removal. That was fun. Never did figure out how to fix it.

Matt Jens Jensen

10:59 AM

To be fair, if you don't need a printer, that's not all that bad hahaha

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