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00:01
night guys.. pain in the butt day today.
i found yet another difference in rendering between identical outlook versions today
didn't get to check the build
@DavidPostill probably but I'm migrating to a new box soon
bigger, better, shinier?
ffs
this FTP is taking FOREVER
00:19
@DavidPostill Of course!
@Burgi That's why it's called Forever Transfer Protocol.
i'll do it at work where i can leave it running all day
00:36
is there an SFTP to SFTP server to server graphical file transfer program? something like, SFTP into server #1, have it SFTP to server #2
01:03
Hello Everyone. :)
@allquixotic I wonder if you could use a ssh tunnel for that
@allquixotic something like fxp?
Where you remote into 2 servers and tell one to transfer a file to the other ..?
@GuitarShoeDave fxp for sftp, yeah
I suppose I could mount the "other server" with sshfs on the first server and just use a graphical sftp client to copy/move from one path to another
Going through the motions of calibrating the display...
1 of 3.
01:22
Not sure there's any open source clients but flash fxp may work.
Damn that brings back memories when I used to be on dialup copying files between t1s
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Q: What does the "Fi" in "Wi-Fi" mean?

Guitar Shoe DaveI just got into a heated discussion about Wi-Fi. What does the Fi in Wi-Fi mean? I would have thought potentially "frequency interface" since all network adapters are classified as interfaces. However I'm not certain. Hopefully this is considered an appropriate question to ask on superuser.

Oh darn 7 upvotes shy :-(
Time to end my life
Kidding
2 of 3. Not surprised that the laptop's main display is way off on the greens.
@GuitarShoeDave WOAH.... It doesn't actually stand for anything? :o
Crazy stuff I know :-o
From what I'm reading it looks like at least. It's always been a debated question and I've never read a solid answer about it
It's confused the crap out of me
01:38
In Windows 10 does two explorer.exe process run ?
@HackToHell I only have one running.
3 of 3. The IPS display on the left clearly fared much better.
New toy for my nerd lab
Finished. The right display is an old CCFL monitor and it is not surprising at all that the colors are much colder than it should be.
60$ at the goodwill store
01:45
@MichaelFrank okay, I think I have malware then
ffff
@HackToHell uhh... there are plenty of reasons why you could have more than one explorer.exe
for instance, the "Launch folder windows in a separate process" checkbox
I think I have that checked ..
Still paranoid me wants to run a Anti Malware scan
explorer.exe sometimes connects to the internet
02:08
@GuitarShoeDave nice
02:22
How convenient... I asked the bloody thing to restart in the first place.
"We had trouble restarting... better restart to fix the problem."
@MichaelFrank DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE could be hardware
For reasons unknown (probably a display controller limitation) I cannot profile the third (right) display correctly; the system is unable to distinguish it from the main laptop display. Hence, no further attempts will be made to calibrate it.
Calibration complete. The two displays match up very well.
Main display is much warmer than I'm used to, but the colorimeter can't possibly be wrong :)
@bwDraco warmer is 'correct'
Most displays are colder than they should be. I know that.
The IPS display on the left fared much better but there was still a nontrivial delta.
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A: Is my new monitor defective or my eyes?

Journeyman GeekI'd use the dell as a baseline, personally. The yellowish tint is based off a different/'more correct' calibration. most consumer monitors are set somewhat too blue out of the box - The colour technology matters too you'll never get a TN and IPS screen identical. I had a similar switch from a cr...

02:32
The main laptop display was, as I suspected, way off on greens.
Two different display technologies. Main display is probably VA while the Acer display on the left is IPS. It's amazing how well the colorimeter can get them to match up.
That also explains why my Nexus 5X (whose display is known to be very well-calibrated out of the box) looks a bit warm to my eyes. It's normal and correct.
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there's an hours display?
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rotfl
5 minutes wait time is not excessive IMO.
yeah but if that "hours" said 1+ that would be ridiculous
If it's routinely >10 minutes then they're probably understaffed.
@allquixotic: Your thoughts on color accuracy and calibration?
was very close to buying one of those color calibrators a while ago but held off figuring what the hey
best color monitor I've ever seen is my Macbook Pro, though... I'm pretty sure they professionally calibrate them on the way out of the factory
02:40
The difference is very striking on consumer-grade displays.
it's really good
Most high-end phone displays are calibrated from the factory. The Nexus 5X has much better calibration than most (which explains the seemingly warmish tone—this is in fact correct).
heh, the tone goes way off on my iphone at night for that night shift mode, to present warmer colors for eye comfort
but it's configurable. toggleable, and you can also adjust the "severity" of it
almost bought a natural light LED tactical flashlight, then figured, hey, if you can get higher lumen ratings from the true white for the same energy, and it's harder on human eyes, all the better to blind potential attackers with
so I got the ThruNite TC-12
@allquixotic My field light is the Nitecore SRT7 Revenger. Always on my belt.
Power LEDs of the sort they use for flashlights are typically selected for brightness rather than color gamut unless it's a natural white model.
I looked at at least one Nitecore something-or-other before I bought the ThruNite TC-12
may've been the SRT7
02:48
These LEDs do get very hot very fast so most flashlights >500 lm will step down after a few minutes—mine does this after 6 minutes at full brightness—though you can typically override it by turning it down a bit and back up (be sure it's not running too hot).
Truly high-end ones (typically very expensive, multiple-emitter models) have automatic thermal control and throttle based on temperature.
@allquixotic if they're colour caliberated, they ship with a report
@JourneymanGeek Not necessarily. High-end phones are typically color-calibrated from the factory.
@bwDraco I doubt phones would have to worry as much about things like consistancy
For the Galaxy S series since the S5 S4, there are multiple operating modes for the display, including a color-accurate pro photo mode.
I'd probably repeat the color profiling process every two weeks or so.
That's what's recommended
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02:57
@bwDraco Eh, quite often you can choose.
There's a Cree tint chart out there somewhere.
I know. A slight variance from sample to sample is to be expected, but major differences should not be present.
Natural white LEDs are slightly less efficacious for the same input power and this is usually not a requirement.
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I normally go for 3-4 for torches... warm enough to use outdoors (very cool tends to be bad on green, e.g. leaves) but still high output (lumens).
Of course, some prefer natural white and so variant models are sometimes offered with natural white LEDs.
heh
All our lights are cool white
4 hours ago, by Journeyman Geek
@bwDraco lemme know how it is. My brother is looking at buying one, and I certainly will borrow it.
@JourneymanGeek The color calibration process was very easy and took no more than 10 minutes per display to complete. Results are every bit as good as I expected them to be.
03:07
sounds about right
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@JourneymanGeek When you say 'cool' you probably mean in the ~5500~7000K range (daylight)
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Most I've seen are 5700 or 6300 iirc
as opposed to warm
I think my bias lighting is 6300ish
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A bunch of Cree torches go into the 7000K-8000K range...
> SSH key only - the virtual machine was provisioned with a certificate (.cer, .pem, or .pub file) or SSH key, but no password. In this case sudo will not prompt for the user's password before executing the command.
03:10
The consumer-grade model is the ColorMunki Smile; great for getting consistent colors but not if you need greater control over the calibration process.
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bob@vm:~$ sudo whoami
[sudo] password for bob:
LIES!
The one I have is the ColorMunki Display, which has a more advanced colorimeter and greater control over the calibration process.
The most expensive model (ColorMunki Photo) uses a high-performance spectrophotometer (not cheap at all) and can profile printers as well as displays.
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ow.
of course I didn't pay all that in one transaction
that's like... *counts* at least 9 transactions
Compare:
Sep 23 '14 at 3:30, by DragonLord
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Vast improvement.
Same Great Egret image as desktop background.
@allquixotic heh. I think your storage was the big thing that drove up the cost
can't really get a direct comparison because of the different lighting or different camera used
different image resolutions too
the back wall looks COMPLETELY different... yellow vs. brown
03:35
The idea is that the difference in color between the two monitors is far lower than before.
@JourneymanGeek and most people skimp on storage; for years I was always a single HDD guy (no RAID, no SSD), until I came around to realizing much faster is possible now
@allquixotic I do 1+2 but one drive is typically salvaged. and of course 250gb SSDs are my sweet spot
otherwise that's vaguely similar to what I'd do ;p
(Different monitor choices, but around the same price range, might have gone with less ram initially)
I'd use 500GB-class SSDs. Best value for money, better performance than smaller drives.
250GB drives are generally slightly slower than 500GB drives and may not have enough capacity for most serious use cases.
If it's PCIe, the difference is even more significant but 500GB is still the best value.
I'm very tempted to go PCIe for the desktop rather than SATA but only time will tell. The Samsung SSD 950 PRO is a very attractive choice. 3D NAND, extremely high endurance (5 years/400 TBW is almost 0.5 DWPD!), outstanding performance, very reasonable price.
0.47 DWPD, to be exact. This is high enough for less write-intensive enterprise workloads!
This is well beyond what a typical enthusiast might put on an SSD (10-20 GB per day) and would meet the demands of strenuous workstation usage.
Imagine writing 240 GB a day to the drive, every day, for five years!
Wow. Just wow.
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04:00
@allquixotic I've probably got more HDDs, but it comes out much cheaper cause no $1k RAID card :P
@bwDraco Depends what you consider 'serious'... if it's just software, 250 is enough for the vast majority... and media (video, etc.) don't really benefit from an SSD
Games, maybe, but there's no end to that.
I do actually need a 500 GB drive. I'd be low on space on a 250 GB drive.
It'll fit but you do want to keep some space space.
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As always, I'm far more concerned about spontaneous controller failure than any NAND wearout.
even for dev work, as long as I'm not piling on games and video recordings, I find that 512 GB will last me a long time
the 512 on my Macbook Pro is holding out well despite an onslaught of brew installs, Xcode, Office, bits and bytes of apps here and there, etc.
...and I'd prefer to overprovision around 15% of the space (my 512 GB drive is formatted to 400 GiB for just under 16% overprovisioning)
heya nerds
04:18
@Rikai hola.
Jan 6 at 8:55, by bwDraco
- Replace DA* 60-250mm lens.
- Get a wide-angle lens.
- Get a longer telephoto lens (D FA 150-450mm).
- Get more prime lenses.
- Get a teleconverter.
- Get ND and polarizer filters.
- Replace flashgun (mine has a broken battery access door).
- Get larger, faster memory cards.
- Get a tripod and a Arca-Swiss head to go along with it.
- Get the upcoming Pentax full-frame body when it comes out.
- Get another camera body as a backup.
- Build new PC with fast CPU and lots of RAM for photo editing.
- Purchase an Adobe Creative Cloud membership.
Today's trip to the photo equipment dealer ticked a few of these boxes (but click through for the full list which extends beyond what is shown here).
The DA* 60-250mm lens did get replaced by the service center and the new unit has been performing as expected.
hey @NetworkKingPin
There's no obvious need to replace the flash unit as I've finally gotten a roll of gaffer's tape to hold down the battery cover (this is what pros do to keep damaged equipment working)
I'll get it one day.
04:22
@Rikai The original message worked. Only the first three characters are actually needed and the system will automatically ping any matching users.
ONE DAY.
oh well.
Not listed above (but in the original message):
> - Get pro-grade monitors and color calibration equipment.
> color calibration equipment
Big piece of the puzzle.
becoming a photographer?
I'm actually a semi-pro. Employed with the local college (my alma mater, CUNY College of Staten Island) for part-time sports photography. Off-season but expect to be back on the job when the next semester begins.
my wife is a photographer
mostly family shots, etc.
she's doing newborn shoots, family, graduation, pet, couple, bridal, wedding/reception, etc.
I'm going to build her a PC for editing
04:29
See the chat log for some of my musings on color calibration.
she's the photographer, not I
Building her a PC for that is nice and a good idea.
I'm going to build her PC before I build my server
@bwDraco quite a list of things to get or get done.
04:31
It's not a substitute for a proper professional-grade display but dramatic improvements were observed on consumer-grade hardware, bringing two mismatched displays of completely different technologies within very close tolerances (slight differences can be observed but they're within acceptable limits).
for her editing computer
Not too sure why you'd want two SSD 850 EVO drives. Is PCIe an option?
I'd probably recommend the SSD 950 PRO as the system drive if the machine supports it.
...this is the wrong list.
that's my server list. oops
Also, it's always best to build on the latest platform, which uses Skylake CPUs.
that's the specs I have
04:32
It'll be much easier to find parts down the road when you plan to upgrade.
that other list is slightly old
I've focused more on the 1U rather than that list
@bwDraco I vaguely disagree there.
hi geek
I tend to try to get modern ram, but in some cases older platforms may be good enough
Good setup but the GPU need not be that powerful. I'd suggest a GeForce GTX 950 instead.
04:34
<3 AMD gfx
@Rikai dual gig-e? 0_0?
well triple in theory
@Rikai Look at the R9 380 instead.
@Rikai you linked two completely separate builds - which one do you want comments on?
oh
looking at the wrong build
I can't go back and edit the other one
04:35
dual might make sense in a server
but it should be the second build
for some reason it keeps switching to the server build. slight glitch in Chrome.
@Rikai I'd personally suggest a slightly larger SSD
(getting my GPUs confused)
and dual 1TB seems... strange
pcpartpicker.com/list/22vgXH that is the right one.
1TB is going to be in RAID
for her photo storage and backups
04:36
Newer card, similar price and performance, lower power consumption.
120GB will hold just her OS and photoshop
@bwDraco which one?
hmm
meh, I still consider 250gb to be the sweet spot
I tend to throw 120gb drives in my old systems
@Rikai R9 380.
I have a 120GB SSD in my laptop running three distros with plenty of space
I've historically had bad luck with benQ monitors
but that was years ago
04:37
XFX or Sapphire, in your opinion
@Rikai will this be running Windows?
yeah
Windows has a much larger footprint than any Linux distro
I know
04:38
it literally uses like 50 GB all to itself
that 120 ran Windows 10 and a Windows 7 VM fine
I'd seriously suggest a bigger drive
what are the use cases for this box?
@Rikai We've tried both, nothing negative to say with either (would learn towards Sapphire, though)
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s/50/20/
Even then probably not that much once you take hardlinks into account
20 is enough for breathing room
@Rikai 120 GB is not sufficient. I'd recommend a minimum of 250 GB. You'd probably need a larger disk for photo editing (even if it's just working space) so I'd recommend 500 GB. PCIe is not strictly necessary here.
she's only going to use this for Photoshop
@Bob depends if you have all the runtimes installed and such -- one of the challenges on my 128 GB SSD in the Surface Pro is keeping the OS footprint down... all these .NET framework versions, C++ library versions, random dependencies that get dragged in from various programs like SQL Express, blah
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though, updates will grow it over time especially on Win7
@allquixotic I'm on a machine with a 128 GB SSD right now (at work)
@bwDraco even if all the photos and everything will be stored on her 1TB drive?
04:40
@Rikai how important is price?
flexible
shooting for around 1500-1750
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Win7 is bad as far as disk space goes because there's just so many updates since the last service pack
So it keeps all these old installers/uninstallers around
@Rikai As working space. Photoshop will need to use the system disk as a scratch disk. (It can be configured to be a different or multiple devices but I'd just stick with the system disk for your setup.)
I was going to get her a $2800 laptop but she didn't like how it looked, so she agreed to let me build her one
@Rikai are you going to have a backup system setup? if anything is more important to back up its pictures.
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04:42
@allquixotic Also, there's only really two (now three?) .NET versions
the 1TB drives will be set up in RAID
we'll have an external 2TB drive as well
Sounds good.
and I have a remote server to back up to as well
plus most if not all will be stored on her website
Smart man.
Would prefer to use an SSD for scratch. The photos themselves would go on the HDDs.
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04:42
3.5 includes 3.0 and 2.0 - it's just a lib update
that's the plan
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4.5 includes 4.0, same story
@bwDraco or just use RAM as scratch
16 GB memory is the minimum for photo editing, 32 GB for more intensive jobs. DDR4 memory isn't expensive these days.
If your budget allows, an extra 16 GB won't cost much.
how can you set the scratch space?
It's the system disk by default.
I don't actually have Adobe Photoshop so can't help here but I'd leave it as is.
I want the two 1TBs for storage
set up in RAID
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@allquixotic Probably the biggest space waste on Windows with a small drive (and a lot of RAM) is the hibernation file
I'd recommend a faster processor (step up to i5-6600K?)
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If you have hibernation (and hybrid sleep) disabled, then that's gone
04:46
don't think you really need any kind of RAID; that just complicates things, unless you really want the redundancy to be resistant against hardware failures -- but keep in mind that RAID is not a backup, and it's very easy to lose data due to software (FS corruption, malware, etc.)
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@Rikai Whenever you think "do I want RAID", the real question is "do I have backups already?"
If the answer to that is no, then you do not want RAID - spend the money on backup disks
Rikai
the 1TB drives will be set up in RAID
we'll have an external 2TB drive as well
Rikai
and I have a remote server to back up to as well
plus most if not all will be stored on her website
@Bob You can shrink it a bit (down to 50%). The memory image is compressed when the machine hibernates. If it somehow doesn't fit, you'd get a BSOD (and that's rather unlikely unless you're using most of the RAM).
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Generally, the point of RAID is to reduce (eliminate) restore-from-backup time in the very very unlikely event of hardware failure
04:47
I have it configured to 67% of 24 GB on my laptop.
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Outside of an always-on server, there's usually not much point in using RAID
@bwDraco yea... about that...
why do you insist on having a dGPU? are you doing some kind of 3d rendering with photoshop? I really don't think the load of photoshop is enough to peg an iGPU for airbrushing wedding photos or something like that
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my RAM utilisation bounces between 70% and 99%
there will be internal duplication between the two drives, a local backup on an external hard drive, remote site backup on my server, and saved on her site
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NetBeans: 2 GB. Firefox: 2 GB. Build/watch tool + PhantomJS: 2-3 GB. etc etc
04:48
@allquixotic batch processing
Some tasks in Photoshop can be GPU-accelerated with a reasonably current card that has OpenCL support.
she can pre-write her usual edits and run through 25 or so pictures
and tweak them after
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@allquixotic iirc PS works best with CUDA
though they might have better OpenCL support these days
so instead of spending 30-45 on each, she does her basics and then tweaks
spends about 10 minutes per
04:51
...so if it works best on CUDA, why is he proposing to buy a Radeon...
*scratches chin*
Processor notes: i5-6600K is about 20% faster than i5-6500. The improvement is more substantial with the i7-6700K as you get even higher clocks and more significantly, hyper-threading (which alone would add another 15-35% performance in highly-threaded workloads), but it may not be worth the much higher cost.
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@allquixotic My info might be outdated; I haven't used PS much since CC 2015 (?)
@bwDraco I swapped to the 6600
Just a note. I'd recommend the i5-6600K.
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Huh. The .NET Foundation forums are on Discourse
04:54
Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
@Bob Atwood having his (much smaller now) role in things still, I see :P
I can understand the passion of wanting to create something new and go on a new adventure, but really, the biggest impact he could've made would have been to remain at SE
SE is a huge global strategic resource for IT (and other subjects, too) now.
Wikipedia; Google; SE.
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The one true #JavaScript exception handler. ;) https://t.co/Zwoi3VlluD
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@Rikai You sure she needs a 32-inch display? Perhaps get a high-grade 27-inch display instead? I'd suggest the Dell UltraSharp U2715H.
she likes the look of the 32, and it lets her place images side-by-side-by-side if needed
HAH - screw you bitlocker and your GPU requirements
Be sure to get color calibration equipment! I just got a colorimeter and the difference is very striking. It's less of an issue with pro-grade displays but color accuracy still matters.
05:01
:O Newegg gave me this FREE just for ordering my monitor! WTF
they literally just gave it away. $249 MSRP.
is it junk or ... ?
That's cool.
@bwDraco how and what do I do with that
@allquixotic it is trash
I will recycle it for you
please send it to me
Portable projector. Resolution's not great but it could be used for presenting while traveling.
yes3
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05:04
> Maryland's state sport is jousting
o.O
@allquixotic its pretty sweet
also, pretty low end as far as they go
could project it on the ceiling I guess ;p
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Heh. He could play (SoaSE|Stellaris) and have the (planets|stars) projected on the ceiling.
@Bob pity games like that arn't designed for dual screen
imagine if you could have a stratergic map on one screen and a tactical one on the other
that'd be awesome
@bwDraco do you use any tablet (Wacom-style) for editing?
my wife wants one but I wonder if it'll make a huge difference
*wacom
@Rikai I think the scratch spaces we used to use on PS at my last job were pretty big. We used to stick em on a 1tb HDD since our main drives were 37gb SAS.
05:14
is 1AM, and I'm doing about 20 different things
odd letters will be missing
and yeah, our artists swore by wacoms
Not often. I did use a Bamboo tablet for editing using the GIMP and it certainly does come in handy.
Still have the tablet.
might get her one for her birthday this year
I'd probably suggest Intuos Pro Large (given the display size).
$500, though.
and it let's you edit the picture directly on it
:o
05:21
is the pro the one with the screen built in?
That's Cintiq and you'd be paying nearly $2000 for one of these.
$1800 when I saw it today.
I don't quite see a compelling reason for one of these.
there's a picture of the tablet with the edited picture in question on it
on the page for that tablet
under the WACOM Cloud heading
The cost of the Cintiq probably lies in aligning the digitizer to the display.
@Bob THAT would be AMAZING
05:43
they should do that for the upcoming 64-bit 4x games
Ran into a bug after calibration using the ColorMunki software. If I calibrate the same display twice in a multi-monitor setup, it seems to apply the color adjustments twice resulting in incorrect colors. If I unplug the second display and plug it back in, the color adjustments are applied correctly.
...or perhaps this is a Windows color system issue?
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@JourneymanGeek Funnily enough, there's actually limited support for something like that in CS:GO :P
By that I mean there's a public API to get some limited match info, so it's perfectly possible to run a program on another monitor that displays said info.
@Bob problem with most games is that anything useful on a second screen would give you an unfair advantage or be a distraction
@JourneymanGeek In some types of single-player games this can still be useful.
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@JourneymanGeek Yea, it's probably more a distraction in a FPS :P
But not so much unfair advantage - they've made sure you can't get any more info than would be available ingame anyway.
05:52
@bwDraco very few games are purely single player these days.
@Bob imagine seperate screen minimaps in a RTS
Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag with companion app.
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@JourneymanGeek Nothing wrong with that.
@Bob yeah, no one does it tho
@Bob minimap for a FPS might be nice on a smapper screen
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Can't do minimap with CS GSI unfortunately :P
or for that matter, remember what happened in trine?
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06:03
Heh.
06:16
(it plays well in 4k, the amount of the screen I can view was more so I'd see stuff @Bob coi;dn't see)
anyone else read this? superuser.com/questions/1086663/…
@JourneymanGeek what kind of 4k monitor you using?
@NetworkKingPin Dell P2715Q, and a crossover 289K
They look nice. I need to get one here soon.
the crossover's ~350USD. Needs a little caliberation (By hand in my case) and has a pretty good array of ports (1x DP 3XHDMI 2.0 one VGA). THe dell's IPS, and much nicer
of course $$$
Well when the time comes i may get one. Maybe with my next bonus. Have to finish my Dubia Roach farm first.
06:44
Oh actually, that makes sense in context
@NetworkKingPin doogfooding your petfood?
@JourneymanGeek breeding them yes for my dragons.
afternoon folks

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